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Post by CrownBlack on Nov 9, 2017 11:52:40 GMT -5
Getting bored. running 3 lances and its just not that much fun anymore. So giving thought about either a Rog or a Doc. Don't really know how viable they are in expert on up but they seem like fun. 7500 Au for a Doc seems a bit pricey especially compared to the 2500 for a Rog. Any thoughts appreciated!
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Post by wildboar on Nov 9, 2017 12:02:00 GMT -5
I don't have either but I see many people rave about the Rog ... not about the Doc ...
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Post by ♧SGT FURY 24/7♧ on Nov 9, 2017 12:05:02 GMT -5
I run 2 Rogs. Don't have a Doc, but never wanted one. At 3x the price of a Rog, I'd get 3 Rogs.
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Nov 9, 2017 12:10:30 GMT -5
Honestly a kumiho. After spending countless hours capping countless beacons I love the little meat suit looking guy. Rog is a decent alternative but rog can't really compete. Doc has been a waste of silver for me. He doesn't do anything really well. Rog is at least the second most agile bot in the game. I tried a max doc with 4 maxed orks, 4 maxed scourge (another wep not for me), 4 maxed tulu. Compared to other bots-he just falls short. I've found lance to be a decent non-dash bot. Mine is an ancilot with mk2 tarans. Anyhow, I'd say rog if a kumiho isn't an alternative. The new skin is the best too!
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Post by sidebandit on Nov 9, 2017 12:13:10 GMT -5
I've had both but never really got on with Doc. Personally I think the Rog is a better bot being faster with quick jump cool down. Good caps plus good blitz attack and jump retreat.
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Post by inspirace on Nov 9, 2017 12:26:57 GMT -5
I parted with my beloved Orkan Rog with tears, replacing it with an Orkan Doc. hard-earned 7500 Au, the biggest investment so far. since then, I am promoted from master3 to master2. now I am being settled in master2 and slowly advancing. being able to take care of an Ancilot 1-vs-1 in one encounter is a huge plus. especially efficient when the red does not expect the second salvo. you will have to move together/behind blue teammates though. if you like, check the video in this post: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/post/206223when I am building a hangar specialized in small maps, I plan to run both a Taran Rog and an Orkan Doc.
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Post by mechtout on Nov 9, 2017 12:38:40 GMT -5
Rog is fun
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Post by Nexsan on Nov 9, 2017 17:01:05 GMT -5
I don't even run my only Lancelot for the very reason you described. I have both a Rog and Doc @ 9 and I prefer the Rog. Doc has more health compared to a Rog but it's just a very vulnerable bot. Can't jump to save its life.
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Post by DarkVagabond on Nov 9, 2017 17:41:56 GMT -5
I have both and have used them as mainstays in my hangar at one time or another.
The Doc I used up until Expert 2 with the 4x Tulu setup. Before Tulus were nerfed I found it to be the best. Doc just isn’t strong or fast enough to be a knife fighter, despite how much I wanted it to be. Sure, if you’re running alongside an Ancilot it’s a different story, but now that there are fewer of those because of dashbots, you run the risk of trying to brawl on your own which is a fight the Doc almost always loses.
The Rog (with Orkans) I have used every game since I won it as it was my chief beacon capper and the most fun bot in my hangar. I have subbed in my new Kumiho in its place now as Kumiho is even faster to the beacons. You can’t run Rog the same as your other bots in top tier play. There are some exchanges you should literally just avoid and find another targets elsewhere on the map. So you have to be a bit more selective of your targets. But my God is it fun! It may be just the thing you need. The added mobility means you can even have a chance in a head to head with a DB Griffin, especially if you wait until he has jumped before you engage. And for a medium bot that jumps every 7 seconds and runs 60kph, that’s impressive.
I’d say go for the Rog and another pair of Orkans if you need them. Just avoid one on one skirmishes with Haechis, Ancilots and plasma snipers and you can do really well with it, particularly as an opening beacon capper.
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Post by nocluevok on Nov 9, 2017 18:17:06 GMT -5
Sold the doc awhile ago. Still have 2 Rogs in my hanger. Fun bot in Expert
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Nov 9, 2017 18:43:04 GMT -5
OK, if you want to know which is better... while a slightly subjective question, Rog will usually win out in most people's minds. Fast, agile, and jumpy. It can still be an asset even in the K-Bot world.
But, If you are just bored... then it comes down to what would cure your boredom faster:
1. ROG = a bot you can pretty much jump into and start jumping into the fight (literally), swinging and kicking, almost immediately. Main downside is lower HP and FirePower than it really needs to get out and trade blows with other bots. But, that just means you should run it a bit differently... it is a guerilla warfare extraordinaire.
My favorite is the Ork variant. Shoot and scoot. Hide, and bide (your time). Use terrain and cover (And teammates) to your advantage. Harass datass. Don't try and take bots out in one go if they are not focused on another target than you... shoot, then back the hell up (or go in whatever direction you feel is best) before even all your rockets hit... before they shoot back. Remember you are trying to never be where his ordinance lands.
2. DOC = a fragile-ish bot capable of putting out a LOT of short range damage with Orks, or a good bit of damage at 500m with Tulus, but with a pretty large learning curve that may or may not be what you want after you get to know it. This thing is quirky. Personally, I run one, off and on, on my 2 baby accts and 1, full time, on my Main acct, (lately, anyway).
It is pretty dang fast... for a medium bot (1 Km/h faster than the Galahad) but horrible at changing directions and acceleration. So, not agile, per say. It is easiest to use with Tulus, but after I got used to that and tried the Orks... well, it's like being addicted to taking risks. The reward for when you run it well and have a good go at it, is worth the bad games that leave you asking why you ever even got the thing. Literally taking out an Ancilot all by yourself, disregarding the shield by shooting all 4 orks at it, is very satisfying. But, unlike the Rog, you have to be even MORE careful and had better be good at reading the battle and knowing when the flank attack is available, as that is the best opportunity to squeeze the most use out of it that you can. I like pairing up with either a blue Carnage or an Ancilot and using their shield for defense. Then lending my rockets to the Red that starts hitting my teammate. I have gotten good kill ratios with it even when it barely lasts a minute. 2:1 is easy... 3 or 4:1 is doable. It's just pretty powerful.
So, if you want fun that has less of a beginner's learning curve but still plenty of challenges to perfect, get the Rog.
If you want a challenge that could possibly become a favorite if you get the hang of it, get the Doc.
Either are good, but only the Rog is actually worth its price. If I hadn't won all 3 Docs across all 3 accounts, I wouldn't have one at all. 7500Au is too much... IMO. If I had it to waste and didn't care about saving, however, I would grab it in a second if I didn't have one. It is my favorite WW bot, hands down. Silver and Gold chests seem to be a pretty decent way to acquire them though... so if you have tickets to spare... ya never know.
Hope this helps a little...
IMO, YMMV
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Post by ezekielcrow on Nov 9, 2017 20:14:41 GMT -5
Lower levels, silver-gold. Both ARE a lot of fun to play and bring something new to the table. I run both main hangar all mediums. They are a breath of fresh air compared to the daily meta bots. Looking to score a kumi now to see if it has the same grin factor as well.
But then I'm in it for the fun, leagues be damned. Coz if it aint fun, its work
Edit: The above posts have it spot on on the Doc. It plays very differently from the rog. It can take down bots that would leave others running. Its got that much firepower IF you play it smart. Ive taken to a scourge orkan combo to whitlle down the heavies coming my way and make sure the orkans do their job. Its great for harassing with this set ups and you can stall a flanking maneouvre if you position yourself properly. Its a great team play bot.
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Post by AzureAura on Nov 9, 2017 22:07:36 GMT -5
I like both but I personally find the Doc the weakest of the wild west bots with medium weapons not having much variety. The Doc could be used to fight Lances with Tarans and Orkans as you just need one to break the Lance's shields. Rog is much faster than the Doc and can kill one with its higher health and jump ability. The two have the same firepower if you don't include the Doc's weapon swap ability, but the Rog has more health and speed which makes it better for fighting dashes while the Doc can fight in more situations.
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Post by inspirace on Nov 9, 2017 22:28:27 GMT -5
I like both but I personally find the Doc the weakest of the wild west bots with medium weapons not having much variety. The Doc could be used to fight Lances with Tarans and Orkans as you just need one to break the Lance's shields. Rog is much faster than the Doc and can kill one with its higher health and jump ability. The two have the same firepower if you don't include the Doc's weapon swap ability, but the Rog has more health and speed which makes it better for fighting dashes while the Doc can fight in more situations. you know that recently Doc HP was buffed? at lvl12, Doc has 171k HP, while a Rog has 150k HP. being accustomed to run glass cannons (Thunder Carn, Ork Rog, etc) all the time, I feel Doc is actually quite sturdy.
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Nov 10, 2017 5:22:13 GMT -5
I have doc. I don't know which one is better. IMO, get doc because it has more medium weapon slots, but watch out those plasma and rockets. Or get rog for capping beacons and avoid those rockets with jump ability.
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Post by ᥣᵃᵛᵃʲᵃᵛᵃ on Nov 10, 2017 6:55:50 GMT -5
Hmmmm. After reading this thread and watching inspirace videos, I want an Ork Doc ("Dork"??) Too many wants, not enough Au!
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 10, 2017 6:59:06 GMT -5
Sold the doc awhile ago. Still have 2 Rogs in my hanger. Fun bot in Expert A mistake, IMO. As ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 wrote, they serve different purposes. If you go down to naval ww2 technology, is a carrier better than a destroyer? You'll need both. On my fb account I do run an Orkan Doc in my regular hangar but no Rog. Rog is probably the best beacon capper except for the Kumiho, but it can't go head to head with a brawler. So if that Ancilot arrives, you can defend the beacon and die, or give up the beacon and try to harass the reds somewhere else. Loadout is 90% Orkans (at least in the leagues I play). Doc is an odd duckling that can serve multiple purposes. It is rather versatile with possible mixed loadouts (usually an Orkan plus X variant, as Punisher/Orkans, Hydra/Orkans, Scourge/Orkans or Taran/Orkans), pure ultra-fast brawler (Orkan/Orkan) or midranger (Tulus). Unlike the Rog, the Doc does have the damage potential to go up against any brawler, even an Ancilot - 4 Orkans give 280k max damage, which can eat both the Ancile and the Lancelot itself. As a midranger, it can deal 88k damage in about 5 seconds, which is more than any other midrange build. But it is a glass cannon that has no protection at all - no jump, no shield, no dash. I use my Orkan Doc both as brawler in a lot of situation (preferred against non-Ancile builds, but it can take down Ancilots too), and also if I want to quickly get and conquer a red beacon late in the game. No other robot with that kind of firepower is so fast over longer distances. (Except the way overpowered Haechi of course.) A Doc can also serve as beacon capper, but the lack of any shielding makes it a less-than-ideal leadoff robot with lots of midrange and longrange around. @crownblack, haven't you collected IP via fb promotions? 7500 gold is a steep price, sure. I won a Doc in a chest (but that was in the 3.1 days). On Android I had some IPs stashed and therefore paid a reduced gold price
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Post by Koalabear on Nov 10, 2017 7:40:47 GMT -5
I'm running 3 Rogs...
But I occasionally spam my FB friends to get IP. About halfway to getting a Doc!
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Post by _psychø on Nov 10, 2017 8:11:34 GMT -5
I use a Rog and I killed so many medium bots with it including the Doc, with a single salvo of level 10 Orkans. Rog has a huge advantage over the Doc in terms of survivability, it can Dodge rockets and sometimes plasma, it's also a great beacon capper.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Nov 10, 2017 8:26:58 GMT -5
I like my rog way better than my doc. Granted I only ever run either in 6pack league, but the sentiment remains. Still, I like doc as well, just not as prone to die in my rog.
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Post by nocluevok on Nov 10, 2017 12:46:27 GMT -5
Sold the doc awhile ago. Still have 2 Rogs in my hanger. Fun bot in Expert A mistake, IMO. As ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 wrote, they serve different purposes. If you go down to naval ww2 technology, is a carrier better than a destroyer? You'll need both. On my fb account I do run an Orkan Doc in my regular hangar but no Rog. Rog is probably the best beacon capper except for the Kumiho, but it can't go head to head with a brawler. So if that Ancilot arrives, you can defend the beacon and die, or give up the beacon and try to harass the reds somewhere else. Loadout is 90% Orkans (at least in the leagues I play). Doc is an odd duckling that can serve multiple purposes. It is rather versatile with possible mixed loadouts (usually an Orkan plus X variant, as Punisher/Orkans, Hydra/Orkans, Scourge/Orkans or Taran/Orkans), pure ultra-fast brawler (Orkan/Orkan) or midranger (Tulus). Unlike the Rog, the Doc does have the damage potential to go up against any brawler, even an Ancilot - 4 Orkans give 280k max damage, which can eat both the Ancile and the Lancelot itself. As a midranger, it can deal 88k damage in about 5 seconds, which is more than any other midrange build. But it is a glass cannon that has no protection at all - no jump, no shield, no dash. I use my Orkan Doc both as brawler in a lot of situation (preferred against non-Ancile builds, but it can take down Ancilots too), and also if I want to quickly get and conquer a red beacon late in the game. No other robot with that kind of firepower is so fast over longer distances. (Except the way overpowered Haechi of course.) A Doc can also serve as beacon capper, but the lack of any shielding makes it a less-than-ideal leadoff robot with lots of midrange and longrange around. @crownblack, haven't you collected IP via fb promotions? 7500 gold is a steep price, sure. I won a Doc in a chest (but that was in the 3.1 days). On Android I had some IPs stashed and therefore paid a reduced gold price Uh huh. Run a Rog with MK2 12 Orkans and don't make suicide runs against full strength Ancilots ?. Doc is junk with a glass jaw.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 10, 2017 18:35:40 GMT -5
Run a Rog with MK2 12 Orkans and don't make suicide runs against full strength Ancilots ?. Doc is junk with a glass jaw. A very thorough analysis. If I might ask, Doc is junk - because? Have you even read my linked Doc analysis? Most players will have missed the recent HP buffs to the Doc. At 171k it's as tough as a Lancelot.
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Post by nocluevok on Nov 10, 2017 22:34:17 GMT -5
Run a Rog with MK2 12 Orkans and don't make suicide runs against full strength Ancilots ?. Doc is junk with a glass jaw. A very thorough analysis. If I might ask, Doc is junk - because? Have you even read my linked Doc analysis? Most players will have missed the recent HP buffs to the Doc. At 171k it's as tough as a Lancelot. Don't need an analysis, I ran one and hated it. It survives just fine beyond 500m from its target. Just my opinion.
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 11, 2017 9:29:25 GMT -5
Well, quite amazing to have 500 karma when your advice is this well thought out and comes from such a wealth of experience.
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Post by pirateb0t on Nov 12, 2017 11:46:11 GMT -5
One of my fantasies is getting to run a MK2 doc with MK2 orkans but I know it's just a fantasy because i'd never invest the silver into such an endeavor.
My doc collects dust these days. With the dash releases he's kind of obsolete now in many ways unless I want to dust off the quad hydras and harass people again.
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Post by venkatsatya23 on Nov 13, 2017 2:05:53 GMT -5
Get Rog, believe me it much better to counter Dash Bots,if piloted it well.
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Post by inspirace on Nov 13, 2017 2:40:38 GMT -5
for the fun factor, I would say a Doc is as fun as a Rog. below is another typical Doc play on Moon (3 beacons and 3 kills) (weirdly I am getting Moon and DC again and again today). it actually paired up with a Rog and a Kumiho, all wearing Orkans: link to the video (720p)battle result:
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Post by Humunculus on Nov 14, 2017 14:38:29 GMT -5
I run an 11/12 in Expert 2 and I love it so much I'm almost done upgrading my 2nd. I will MK2 it when my 2nd one is ready to fill in. I usually bring it out late in the game to hunt Ancilots and/or go for a side beacon. In my experience I can kill most Ancilots with little to no damage taken. I just wait for the reload and then rush in and unload. Even after their reload is finished they are so wide that they cant hit me. Feels like a mongoose attacking a cobra. Its awesome. I just need to get better at not brawling, and staying a little longer than I should fire off my orks.
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Post by ManO' War on Nov 14, 2017 16:33:24 GMT -5
I've got both, and...both are mostly benched but due to the game becoming much less fun than before, I've recently been running both more intermittingly.
Rogatka: I have found the best set-up for the Rog is the Orkan x 2 Set-up and as previously mentioned I typically run this bot as my 1st in the line up. Especially on those maps where everyone should be going center like Yamantau for Beacon Rush - the Orkans really help dispatch the reds and its speed is great. I have a Kumiho as well and still prefer the Rog due to the Kumiho issues on uneven terrain (it falls...a lot instead of running). I like to run the Rog. as a "backseat rider" with ancilots on many maps. Any shielded bot is good to coast behind when beacon capping is no longer the immediate strategy. Stay behind to avoid all the laser/plasma/lightning fire and jump out to help the Lance, Rhino, etc. in front of you win the rocket exchanges. You could try to run a Plasma set up but with so many Zeus/Gekko/Shocktrain's around, I like to stay behind the shields as much as a I can.
The Doc is really fun when played right. My favorite combo is the 2 x Punisher T / 2 x Orkan. I also play the Doc the same way, typically staying with a heavier shielded blue buddy using the Punisher to take down Ancile shields and if able, switching to the Orkans to finish them off. I try to stay between 350-400 meters from Reds to avoid Plasma/Orkan damage and only close in when it suits me or I have no choice. I no longer run my Tulambas as they just don't do enough in higher tier play.
Hopefully this helps. I'd get the Rog 1st, but both are very fun when leveled
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