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Post by _psychø on Nov 2, 2017 17:41:26 GMT -5
Are people serious? They are angry because Pixo is giving less silver and no points and Au for the tankers and leavers? Really??
I mean I understand, their excuse (that might be honest or not) is they're getting unfair MM, BUT that still doesn't make tanking or leaving OK, when you leave or tank, you are not just doing it for yourself as if you're playing a single player game, no, when you tank or leave you are Hurting your team by frustrating them and making them lose the battle, therefore you're the one who's causing the unbalance because the battle won't be 6v6.
By tanking you're also clubbing those low level players on your way, why? What did they do? If you complain about having unfair battles where you face maxed MK2 hangers, then by doing that you are making unfair battles for the low level people with your maxed MK1 hanger.
And seriously people stop hating on every single step Pixo takes, I don't support them but I also don't like to see a community that likes nothing.
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Post by Nexsan on Nov 2, 2017 17:45:48 GMT -5
Who's angry? Nothing has changed. Tankers who eject all of their bots and leave the match aren't affected by the "new" Leaver's Queue, otherwise referred to as the Low-Priority Queue. Players can still drop leagues while remaining in the normal servers. At least, THAT is the issue I have with it. It's not actually solving anything. Those players will still receive the same benefits as someone who doesn't do what you described.
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Post by _psychø on Nov 2, 2017 17:49:35 GMT -5
Who's angry? Nothing has changed. Tankers who eject all of their bots and leave the match aren't affected by the "new" Leaver's Queue, otherwise referred to as the Low-Priority Queue. Players can still drop leagues while remaining in the normal servers. At least, THAT is the issue I have with it. It's not actually solving anything. Those players will still receive the same benefits as someone who doesn't do what you described. People are raging in Adrian's video about the LPQ, and ejecting all your bots then leaving does put you in LQ I believe, and I kinda agree with you, it may not do much, but at least it's a step in the right direction IMO, The LQ is supposed to be a "punishment" as Pix stated. |
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Post by sanr on Nov 2, 2017 17:54:07 GMT -5
This still doesn't address the issue of dropping leagues. It's way too easy to do that. Penalizing league drops beyond a certain level, or even putting a cap on base league to which one can drop would have worked better, IMO.
Still though, it seems they've tried to put a foot in the right direction. Maybe. Maybe not.
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Post by mechtout on Nov 2, 2017 18:01:25 GMT -5
Rather have tankers ruining the LQ than ruining the normal server imo
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Post by inspirace on Nov 2, 2017 18:04:11 GMT -5
Who's angry? Nothing has changed. Tankers who eject all of their bots and leave the match aren't affected by the "new" Leaver's Queue, otherwise referred to as the Low-Priority Queue. Players can still drop leagues while remaining in the normal servers. At least, THAT is the issue I have with it. It's not actually solving anything. Those players will still receive the same benefits as someone who doesn't do what you described. People are raging in Adrian's video about the LPQ, and ejecting all your bots then leaving does put you in LQ I believe, and I kinda agree with you, it may not do much, but at least it's a step in the right direction IMO, The LQ is supposed to be a "punishment" as Pix stated. according to Adrian's video, Pix seems planning to detect "too less movement/activity/contribution" as a criteria for LPQ inmates. hence, perhaps they will need to at least move around and do some damage before ejecting. the game of hide-and-seek will continue between who sets the rule and who wants to exploit it. but at least cutting the rewards from LPQ is a welcome step towards a direction that could turn out to be right. |
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Post by Nexsan on Nov 2, 2017 18:04:30 GMT -5
Who's angry? Nothing has changed. Tankers who eject all of their bots and leave the match aren't affected by the "new" Leaver's Queue, otherwise referred to as the Low-Priority Queue. Players can still drop leagues while remaining in the normal servers. At least, THAT is the issue I have with it. It's not actually solving anything. Those players will still receive the same benefits as someone who doesn't do what you described. People are raging in Adrian's video about the LPQ, and ejecting all your bots then leaving does put you in LQ I believe, and I kinda agree with you, it may not do much, but at least it's a step in the right direction IMO, The LQ is supposed to be a "punishment" as Pix stated.  This was in the description of that same YouTube video published by Adrian Chong that you referenced. This doesn't prove my point as the language is certainly arguable. What does Pixonic mean by meching out after an "Active Battle?" It might not mean anything, or it might very well fit the criteria needed to punish players who eject all of their bots in the beginning of a match and suicide their last bot. I hope it's the latter but regardless, it's certainly worth paying attention to. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 18:10:34 GMT -5
People are raging in Adrian's video about the LPQ, and ejecting all your bots then leaving does put you in LQ I believe, and I kinda agree with you, it may not do much, but at least it's a step in the right direction IMO, The LQ is supposed to be a "punishment" as Pix stated. This was in the description of that same YouTube video published by Adrian Chong that you referenced. This doesn't prove my point as the language is certainly arguable. What does Pixonic mean by meching out after an "Active Battle?" It might not mean anything, or it might very well fit the criteria needed to punish players who eject all of their bots in the beginning of a match and suicide their last bot. I hope it's the latter but regardless, it's certainly worth paying attention to. It means Piloto starfish destroyed Piloto starfish destroyed Piloto starfish destroyed Piloto starfish destroyed -30 seconds- Wallet warrior [Shocktrain] Piloto starfish Is still going to be a thing. And will still dodge the punishment whip.Leaving a battle after having no remaining bots is fine. This changes nothing, as the Regular Queue tankers do none of what is described in the LPQ triggers. All this is doing is giving players a notification that they're in LPQ, and taking rewards from the "13g3nd" players that farm their Ag/Au against the poor newbies that hare Yama and SF as much as the rest of us. |
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Post by _psychø on Nov 2, 2017 18:15:09 GMT -5
People are raging in Adrian's video about the LPQ, and ejecting all your bots then leaving does put you in LQ I believe, and I kinda agree with you, it may not do much, but at least it's a step in the right direction IMO, The LQ is supposed to be a "punishment" as Pix stated. This was in the description of that same YouTube video published by Adrian Chong that you referenced. This doesn't prove my point as the language is certainly arguable. What does Pixonic mean by meching out after an "Active Battle?" It might not mean anything, or it might very well fit the criteria needed to punish players who eject all of their bots in the beginning of a match and suicide their last bot. I hope it's the latter but regardless, it's certainly worth paying attention to. People who eject their bots then suicide their last bot will get penalized if they will stay in the battle and not leave, if they leave the battle then they won't get their "tanking reward" which is their tanking reason, losing points. |
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Post by ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ on Nov 2, 2017 18:17:45 GMT -5
WELL SAID!
I have scoured my different War Robots outlets and read points and counterpoints of the 'Low Priority Que' (still dont get that name designation) and honestly speaking, the counter-points/criticism against the LPQ doesnt seem to hold verily much weight to me.
I will further admit, I am fanatically opposed to Tanking/Fading... I feel like something, ANYTHING, is better than nothing and I am proly a bit biased anyhow.
I was even sorta thinking that the opinions AGAINST the LPQ are perhaps so against it because they partook in the LPQ and now they wont 'have their cake and get to eat it too.' Once again though, I admit, Im biased...
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Post by ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ on Nov 2, 2017 18:24:51 GMT -5
This was in the description of that same YouTube video published by Adrian Chong that you referenced. This doesn't prove my point as the language is certainly arguable. What does Pixonic mean by meching out after an "Active Battle?" It might not mean anything, or it might very well fit the criteria needed to punish players who eject all of their bots in the beginning of a match and suicide their last bot. I hope it's the latter but regardless, it's certainly worth paying attention to. It means Piloto starfish destroyed Piloto starfish destroyed Piloto starfish destroyed Piloto starfish destroyed -30 seconds- Wallet warrior [Shocktrain] Piloto starfish Is still going to be a thing. And will still dodge the punishment whip. Perhaps, since measures are being taken against TANKERS then the FADERS (which is just as much part of thee problem too, will be tackled next... I seem to notice that, in my battles currently Expert3), pilots scoring lemsms than 125K *could*possibly* be fading... So maybe thresholds identifying Faders will also be established? Im sure, regardless, there will be adjustments to anything thats done at all... |
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Post by nocluevok on Nov 2, 2017 18:49:39 GMT -5
ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ I don't commit any of the mentioned offenses, and I've had games that were that low...in Expert League. Game over while I'm busy getting one-shotted.
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Post by _psychø on Nov 2, 2017 19:27:58 GMT -5
ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ I don't commit any of the mentioned offenses, and I've had games that were that low...in Expert League. Game over while I'm busy getting one-shotted. Yesterday had a terrible battle in Valley, scored about 50k, I bet they thought I was a tanker.  |
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Post by ΜØØSE on Nov 2, 2017 20:46:51 GMT -5
Nice they are finally putting some penalties into LQ. But It's only a band-aid on cancer. Until they give generous incentives to higher placement, there will be tankers and faders 「fluffernutter」ing up the experience like what we see below. But they won't give generous incentives, because then players won't spend money. This will continue to suck until Pixonic comes to terms with the fact that the non-hangar based MM is a flawed concept.  |
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Post by Dredd77 on Nov 2, 2017 20:58:42 GMT -5
I haven't seen a lot of faders/tankers in my games in quite awhile, until now. Back with a vengeance, it seems. #LawOfUnintendedConsequences
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2017 21:04:44 GMT -5
penalties on LQ address a real problem in the wrong location! pix should enclose leaguers in the tier they belong even if they fade! so they can keep moving up but they can't go down anymore! of course it could be a serious issue for optimal MM!
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Post by islandmojo671 on Nov 2, 2017 21:53:36 GMT -5
New suicide bot encourages tanking...
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Post by T34 on Nov 2, 2017 22:12:29 GMT -5
New suicide bot encourages tanking... A must in every tanker hanger. You buy it, you can tank. How funny. |
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Post by _psychø on Nov 3, 2017 6:46:52 GMT -5
Nice they are finally putting some penalties into LQ. But It's only a band-aid on cancer. Until they give generous incentives to higher placement, there will be tankers and faders ?firetruck?ing up the experience like what we see below. But they won't give generous incentives, because then players won't spend money. This will continue to suck until Pixonic comes to terms with the fact that the non-hangar based MM is a flawed concept. They are working on a rewards system that benefits the high level players and the rewards get better as you advance. |
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 3, 2017 7:17:33 GMT -5
ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ I don't commit any of the mentioned offenses, and I've had games that were that low...in Expert League. Game over while I'm busy getting one-shotted. Yesterday had a terrible battle in Valley, scored about 50k, I bet they thought I was a tanker. Yeah, well, I was fooling around with a 6/6 Noricum Patton, testing how much damage it could do. But I think I cracked 50k in every match, the lowest score was something like 150k  |
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 3, 2017 7:21:41 GMT -5
Are people serious? They are angry because Pixo is giving less silver and no points and Au for the tankers and leavers? Really?? Sure. Because now they will tank/fade in my battles, while previously they were tanking/fading in LQ. We must have discussed this a 100 times. There is no way to distinguish between tanking and using a changeup hangar. The only permanent solution is to remove the incentive to tank (i.e. go back to hangar based matchmaking), not a complex penalty system. |
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Post by wildboar on Nov 3, 2017 7:25:59 GMT -5
The only thing that bothers me is the "more connection issues than normal"
For me I can go days with no issues and then suddenly it is unplayable for a whole evening (all on same Wifi)
If I get stuck in LQ for this i will be uninstalling the game ...
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Post by ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ on Nov 3, 2017 8:04:41 GMT -5
ᴛʜᴇ ʙɪɢ ᴅʀᴏᴘ I don't commit any of the mentioned offenses, and I've had games that were that low...in Expert League. Game over while I'm busy getting one-shotted. Yesterday had a terrible battle in Valley, scored about 50k, I bet they thought I was a tanker. Totally... I have too. I was hoping that sonehow, on Pixo's end of the game there would be sone way of knowing the difference and adjust accordingly... But either their isnt, or Pux refuses to make it happen. |
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Post by _psychø on Nov 3, 2017 9:14:41 GMT -5
Are people serious? They are angry because Pixo is giving less silver and no points and Au for the tankers and leavers? Really?? Sure. Because now they will tank/fade in my battles, while previously they were tanking/fading in LQ. We must have discussed this a 100 times. There is no way to distinguish between tanking and using a changeup hangar. The only permanent solution is to remove the incentive to tank (i.e. go back to hangar based matchmaking), not a complex penalty system. Tankers and Faders been tanking and fading in everywhere they can possible get to, since I started playing. |
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Post by agentfilthy on Nov 3, 2017 10:29:25 GMT -5
I don't know why people would get frustrated and leave early when they are stuck with random matches. Nor do I understand why they leave early when they get hammered by K bots. I'm not sure why anyone would tank their stats rather than be forced into a higher level of play until they're no longer winning. Leagues are the fairest metric where people of no skill can max out their hangar strength and play against lesser bots. How else are those unskilled types supposed to enjoy themselves right? Think of the children!
I don't know why anyone is frustrated at all and they just need to play through all the aspects of the game they don't like and play to the best of their ability while doing so or they need to be punished thoroughly.
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Post by humptydumpty on Nov 3, 2017 12:03:37 GMT -5
I haven't seen a lot of faders/tankers in my games in quite awhile, until now. Back with a vengeance, it seems. #LawOfUnintendedConsequences It just might be intended. Pix has a plan and they know what they are doing. |
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Post by T34 on Nov 3, 2017 18:10:36 GMT -5
The only thing that bothers me is the "more connection issues than normal" For me I can go days with no issues and then suddenly it is unplayable for a whole evening (all on same Wifi) If I get stuck in LQ for this i will be uninstalling the game ... There is a threashold value to observe. Maybe note down the number of disconnects and stop playing if you get near. Karma also improves with every full match. |
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Post by hon_shu on Nov 3, 2017 18:53:34 GMT -5
This still doesn't address the issue of dropping leagues. It's way too easy to do that. Penalizing league drops beyond a certain level, or even putting a cap on base league to which one can drop would have worked better, IMO. Still though, it seems they've tried to put a foot in the right direction. Maybe. Maybe not. They have reduced rewards for lower leagues coming as well, see their announcement on the new reward system. |
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Nov 3, 2017 19:10:38 GMT -5
This was in the description of that same YouTube video published by Adrian Chong that you referenced. This doesn't prove my point as the language is certainly arguable. What does Pixonic mean by meching out after an "Active Battle?" It might not mean anything, or it might very well fit the criteria needed to punish players who eject all of their bots in the beginning of a match and suicide their last bot. I hope it's the latter but regardless, it's certainly worth paying attention to. It means Piloto starfish destroyed Piloto starfish destroyed Piloto starfish destroyed Piloto starfish destroyed -30 seconds- Wallet warrior [Shocktrain] Piloto starfish Is still going to be a thing. And will still dodge the punishment whip.Leaving a battle after having no remaining bots is fine. This changes nothing, as the Regular Queue tankers do none of what is described in the LPQ triggers. All this is doing is giving players a notification that they're in LPQ, and taking rewards from the "13g3nd" players that farm their Ag/Au against the poor newbies that hare Yama and SF as much as the rest of us. Exactly what I took it to mean too. Except that they cannot have 0 damage. |
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Post by vin5240 on Nov 3, 2017 22:36:12 GMT -5
Who's angry? Nothing has changed. Tankers who eject all of their bots and leave the match aren't affected by the "new" Leaver's Queue, otherwise referred to as the Low-Priority Queue. Players can still drop leagues while remaining in the normal servers. At least, THAT is the issue I have with it. It's not actually solving anything. Those players will still receive the same benefits as someone who doesn't do what you described. People are raging in Adrian's video about the LPQ, and ejecting all your bots then leaving does put you in LQ I believe, and I kinda agree with you, it may not do much, but at least it's a step in the right direction IMO, The LQ is supposed to be a "punishment" as Pix stated. Adrian said leaving if you mech out won't be affected so people are probably taking advantage of that and meching out of all but one bot and go charge at opponent like a kamikaze cause that's what I've been seeing. |
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