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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 19:23:21 GMT -5
Wow, you are totally unique, bringing material we have never seen here from any other troll, ever. Or something.  Wow doubling down on the personal attack - I wonder which president taught you that strategy You’re feeling personally attacked? After going after something without- by your own admission- actually having read it? Crapstirrers don’t last long here. Either bring something to the conversation more than just drama, or find the exit. Or have it found for you. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 19:25:24 GMT -5
Ok. what dredd did was a value analysis. More like part 1 of a value analysis and the work is incomplete as it did not take into account every aspect of the product on offer. By not taking every feature into account and not relating them to real world conditions the cost of the product was not established and hence the value propositions presented are inaccurate. Such value analysis needs to identify the best offer at the least cost from which the customer gets the most benefit from. Ratios presented are not accurate and of little value for decision making due to critical aspects not being considered. At the end of the day this sort of work needs say, you should buy if.... and don't buy if....and if you buy at that value than that benefit derived is x. They’re not inaccurate. The numbers don’t lie. BUT...there is definitely more to the picture, you’re 100% right. For example, you and another pointed out to me the nefariousness of bundled deals, “Kumiho + Ember” instead of just Ember. I hadn’t considered that, and it’s a helluva point. Watch this space. |
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Post by roadbot on Oct 26, 2017 19:29:05 GMT -5
meanwhile, Pixonic is rolling in the benjamins
lol
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Post by expletivedeleted on Oct 26, 2017 19:29:36 GMT -5
Wow doubling down on the personal attack - I wonder which president taught you that strategy You’re feeling personally attacked? After going after something without- by your own admission- actually having read it? Crapstirrers don’t last long here. Either bring something to the conversation more than just drama, or find the exit. Or have it found for you. I did bring something to the conversation - however you chose to ignore it and instead started a series of ad-hominem attacks - and now by the look of it threats of exercising your moderator privileges to silence dissenters. That doesn't sound like an open dialogue to me. Would you like me to repeat the core of the issue once more? |
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Post by zer00eyz on Oct 26, 2017 19:30:49 GMT -5
Ok. what dredd did was a value analysis. More like part 1 of a value analysis and the work is incomplete as it did not take into account every aspect of the product on offer. By not taking every feature into account and not relating them to real world conditions the cost of the product was not established and hence the value propositions presented are inaccurate. Such value analysis needs to identify the best offer at the least cost from which the customer gets the most benefit from. Ratios presented are not accurate and of little value for decision making due to critical aspects not being considered. At the end of the day this sort of work needs say, you should buy if.... and don't buy if....and if you buy at that value than that benefit derived is x. They’re not inaccurate. The numbers don’t lie. BUT...there is definitely more to the picture, you’re 100% right. For example, you and another pointed out to me the nefariousness of bundled deals, “Kumiho + Ember” instead of just Ember. I hadn’t considered that, and it’s a helluva point. Watch this space. Your math might need some further adjustment:  |
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 19:32:32 GMT -5
You’re feeling personally attacked? After going after something without- by your own admission- actually having read it? Crapstirrers don’t last long here. Either bring something to the conversation more than just drama, or find the exit. Or have it found for you. I did bring something to the conversation - however you chose to ignore it and instead started a series of ad-hominem attacks - and now by the look of it threats of exercising your moderator privileges to silence dissenters. That doesn't sound like an open dialogue to me. Would you like me to repeat the core of the issue once more? You’re derailing the topic. Unofficial warning. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 19:33:10 GMT -5
They’re not inaccurate. The numbers don’t lie. BUT...there is definitely more to the picture, you’re 100% right. For example, you and another pointed out to me the nefariousness of bundled deals, “Kumiho + Ember” instead of just Ember. I hadn’t considered that, and it’s a helluva point. Watch this space. Your math might need some further adjustment: New deals? Or ones you found that don’t stand up to the valuation? |
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Post by krebby on Oct 26, 2017 19:35:08 GMT -5
Your math might need some further adjustment: New deals? Or ones you found that don’t stand up to the valuation? I believe he is referring to the fact that Pixo states the "old price" of the bundle is 2,900 WSP, and is offering it for 3,900. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 19:36:41 GMT -5
New deals? Or ones you found that don’t stand up to the valuation? I believe he is referring to the fact that Pixo states the "old price" of the bundle is 2,900 WSP, and is offering it for 3,900. Oh, that’s a riot. Totally missed that. Obviously a typo, but since all their other “original price” valuations are fictional, what’s the difference? |
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Post by krebby on Oct 26, 2017 19:39:45 GMT -5
I believe he is referring to the fact that Pixo states the "old price" of the bundle is 2,900 WSP, and is offering it for 3,900. Oh, that’s a riot. Totally missed that. Obviously a typo, but since all their other “original price” valuations are fictional, what’s the difference? "Oh! What A Tangled Web We Weave When First We Practice To Deceive" — Sir Walter Scott. |
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Post by expletivedeleted on Oct 26, 2017 20:04:40 GMT -5
I did bring something to the conversation - however you chose to ignore it and instead started a series of ad-hominem attacks - and now by the look of it threats of exercising your moderator privileges to silence dissenters. That doesn't sound like an open dialogue to me. Would you like me to repeat the core of the issue once more? You’re derailing the topic. Unofficial warning. I am not - and you know it. Unofficial warning rejected! The topic - as far as I can see is the value - or otherwise of the component offers. While i am sure you poured your heart and soul into analyzing those numbers I disagree with your findings i.e. "fair deal" and "recommending folks to take advantage of these offers" 2 reasons: 1. you declared the biggest problem with these assets out of scope which makes the whole thing rather academic - hence my skimming (which by the way is not the same as "not reading") 2. the pricing structure is a constantly moving feast which invalidates any analysis quicker than it can be made Analyzing their pricing structure would make sense if Pix was subject to market forces - which they are not - or if they were actually trying to create a system that was fair and balanced - which they are also not However all of these "game features" make immediate sense once you look at them from the perspective of being optimized for manipulating punters into spending money - e.g. * make people believe they have a chance to win big * get people hooked by letting them have part of what they need * get people into sunk cost scenarios where money already spent is useless unless more money is spent * making people believe that other players are getting big payouts |
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 20:10:13 GMT -5
Warned you, bud. Take a break.
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Post by T34 on Oct 26, 2017 20:31:35 GMT -5
Forget the discounted from price people. There is pixonic math behind that and it only works in pigsonic land.
The way I approach wsp offers in a simplified way for quick decision making is I assume a 10:1 wsp for gold conversion rate. Works for me bc I convert a small amount of wsp per day and am sitting on a stockpile of Wsps. Basically spend 25 gold per day for the time being. I presume the maths is not required to be presented in detail.
At a 10:1 conversion rate take a zero off the wsp price and that's your gold price. Then apply the method I previously posted in this thread for the decision. You need about 80k wsps for a haechi. So that's the figure you need to have sitting in your account or that's the target you need to aim at to be available at the end of the day. The more wsps you convert over the cycle at lower rate the more expensive that haechi becomes.
Please note the fine detail is not so relevant for me since my wsp stash was close to 100k at the start. This approach may need refining if pixonic changes the mechanism.
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 26, 2017 20:35:17 GMT -5
T34 Agree, the “original price” is fictional.
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Post by humptydumpty on Oct 27, 2017 3:09:29 GMT -5
LOL it is all fictional, it is a game...how can you argue over a VR game? If you choose to spend real money and time on something that isn't real, and expect to get something real in return, you are going to be disappointed, because it isn't real.
Play the game the way you choose to and have fun. If you don't have fun, find something else to occupy your time.
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