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Post by andy3k on Oct 25, 2017 15:12:33 GMT -5
So here I am driving my knife-fighter on the moon. My thunders and pinatas do sweet damage. Except there is a mid-range punisher bot on the left and mid-range laser bot on the right. I'm stuck under cover. No matter which direction I head, a mid-range bot is going to wear me down before I get in range to shoot back. What's a short-range bot to do? Camp until a teammate comes by to distract one of the mid-range bots?
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Post by archangelshinobi on Oct 25, 2017 15:19:39 GMT -5
If you are in a carnage thunder you will want to avoid laser pointers, and the zues at all costs so really it is good to allow a team member who can handel those guys fight them and when they are distracted make your move on others. Usually I alawys end uo destroying the snipers in my own mid range carnage or a RDB Griffin
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Post by Jame-thon on Oct 25, 2017 15:26:49 GMT -5
I'm assuming you're in a Leo with the load out you mentioned. But whatever the setup, don't forget it's a bit of a subjective question. You've got to either slap yourself on the forehead for putting yourself in a situation or give your opponent props for recognizing the matchup and setting himself up.
Either way, if you do find yourself in that situation, there's not much to do. If you're in a squad with clan members, someone may come to your aid and you'll have to just eat it until they come. But you have to look at what kind of squad you are in. If you are soloing, you may have to accept that no one is coming to help you and if you have no options, just go out guns blazing and try to deal as much damage with your thunder as you can.
But the scenario for me, starts way even before you're in that situation. If you are in a slower bot like leo, you should know your weaknesses and just team up or stick in a buddy system so if that scenario happens you'll have aid. Or play the map in areas where you have cover to work with. May not be a complete answer you were looking for but hope this helps. Just my 0.02. GL out there!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 19:19:10 GMT -5
try hybrid set ups with mixed range like thunder, double molot + norricum (its no joke!)
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Post by bluestreak on Oct 25, 2017 22:27:26 GMT -5
On discord: Scream for help
In squad: hope for someone to notice and help
Solo: Go out guns blazing and die with a maniac grin on your face.
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Post by ᕲΣΣᕲƧ on Oct 25, 2017 23:06:40 GMT -5
I'm assuming you're in a Leo with the load out you mentioned. But whatever the setup, don't forget it's a bit of a subjective question. You've got to either slap yourself on the forehead for putting yourself in a situation or give your opponent props for recognizing the matchup and setting himself up. Either way, if you do find yourself in that situation, there's not much to do. If you're in a squad with clan members, someone may come to your aid and you'll have to just eat it until they come. But you have to look at what kind of squad you are in. If you are soloing, you may have to accept that no one is coming to help you and if you have no options, just go out guns blazing and try to deal as much damage with your thunder as you can. But the scenario for me, starts way even before you're in that situation. If you are in a slower bot like leo, you should know your weaknesses and just team up or stick in a buddy system so if that scenario happens you'll have aid. Or play the map in areas where you have cover to work with. May not be a complete answer you were looking for but hope this helps. Just my 0.02. GL out there! My first thought was Natasha because OP said thunders not thunder. What other bot has 2 heavy and 2 light hard points? |
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Post by Jame-thon on Oct 25, 2017 23:33:48 GMT -5
Didn't see the plural as I read his post quickly. Despite the bot, doesn't really change the rest of my comments.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Oct 26, 2017 0:10:15 GMT -5
Stay put and walk slowly, like youre hurt. War is a blinking contest.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Oct 26, 2017 0:34:01 GMT -5
The simple and most effective solution is simply to out-wait them. In situations like that, I laugh, set my iPad on my lap and have some cold Sake. Eventually somebody gets fed up and leaves their campfire to come look at my good looking war robot.
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Post by ezekielcrow on Oct 26, 2017 0:54:00 GMT -5
I dont think you appreciate the situation as much as you should.
YOU have the advantage.
You are tying up 2 mechs. Without taking damage.
They are in the open and more prone to getting engaged.
You have channelized areas that you need to watch but can control.
You are not readily visible. Concealment
You are not readily engaged. Cover
You have the option to dictate engagement.
I'd say you were in perfect position.
If the punisher comes in blitz the laser. If the laser comes in, wait and tear him a new one. If they both come in wait, then tear the laser a new one.
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Post by bluestreak on Oct 26, 2017 1:20:16 GMT -5
I dont think you appreciate the situation as much as you should. YOU have the advantage. You are tying up 2 mechs. Without taking damage. They are in the open and more prone to getting engaged. You have channelized areas that you need to watch but can control. You are not readily visible. Concealment You are not readily engaged. Cover You have the option to dictate engagement. I'd say you were in perfect position. If the punisher comes in blitz the laser. If the laser comes in, wait and tear him a new one. If they both come in wait, then tear the laser a new one. This too. Many times I thought I'm giving my team the advantage by tying up two Reds then suddenly I see the rest of my team meching out. That's when I /facepalm. |
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Post by javelinaut717 on Oct 26, 2017 2:28:19 GMT -5
Depend what game mode your in? However is all tactic and advantages of the landscape and environment of the map. In some player short range want get a one hit kill as for other go for mid range do support or suppressing fire. In TDM everybody goes for mid range to persevere the score. Short range use for guerrilla assault, flanker or ambush your opponent that you need a highly perform.
For what you got is your in a wrong place to deal
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Post by zeframmann on Oct 26, 2017 5:20:31 GMT -5
I remember when punishers were just the cheap thing you were stuck with until you could afford magnums. Now punishers have become very decent weapons as of late. The versatility or being able to out-dps tarans/magnums at extremely close range, but keep at least a little pressure on enemies up to 500m out, and tear down both kinds of shields, is satisfying for those with only silver to spend.
Best thing I could recommend to counter them is a RDB, or plasma on something that can close to 350m very quickly. At that 300-350m range, orkans and tarans can easily out dps them.
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Post by andy3k on Nov 1, 2017 10:19:20 GMT -5
I don't have the gold for orkans or tarans so I'll make use of all the other good advice that was offered. Thanks everyone.
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Post by Uhnonimis on Nov 1, 2017 10:45:21 GMT -5
I dont think you appreciate the situation as much as you should. YOU have the advantage. You are tying up 2 mechs. Without taking damage. They are in the open and more prone to getting engaged. You have channelized areas that you need to watch but can control. You are not readily visible. Concealment You are not readily engaged. Cover You have the option to dictate engagement. I'd say you were in perfect position. If the punisher comes in blitz the laser. If the laser comes in, wait and tear him a new one. If they both come in wait, then tear the laser a new one. Excellent advice, generally speaking. An exception would be if time is ticking down and you are behind. Waiting them out would not be an option in that case. |
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Post by frunobulax on Nov 1, 2017 10:56:17 GMT -5
Tarans don't cost any gold. They should be the first thing you buy from the workshop anyway. But yes, Thunder Pinata won't cut it above Bronze, maybe Silver level because Pinatas have not enough damage (both burst and sustained), and Thunder works well only within 150m or so. Thunder Punisher on the other hand is a very viable setup. But the answer to your question is "depends" in any case. If you're ahead in beacons/domination bar, hang back and let the reds come to you. If you're behind, basically either wait (one of your teammates will hopefully join you or flank), venture into the crossfire or go back and the long way around. Look around, check where your teammates and the remaining reds are. Keep in mind that dying gloriously won't help your team, so if you're sure that you'll be destroyed before you get into range with your KF, going back or waiting are the only viable options. |
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Post by darkknight on Nov 1, 2017 10:56:19 GMT -5
Remember this golden rule..in knife fight never go all out unless you could hide to reload or have someone to cover even thunders..it’s always better to keep some ammo rather than going all out and getting one kill..why to kill 1 bot with your powerful knife fighter when you could easily kill 2+ while playing smartly?..give them time to reload and than attack..wait patiently someone will back you up always once his health is low ofc to steal kills in solo but atleast they would back you up lol..if you got grif Orkan setup then try and use jump and special abilities and then attack..in moon map that tunnel is worst possible place for beacon rush and best possible place for domination if there are no bots on other side.. goose how to play according to the mode you get..I only use tunnel in moon map when those hydras and zenits are pissing me off specially when health is too low..as long as you don’t want kills I hope this advise help..however I always prefer midrange over knife fight as they are useful in all maps unlike knife fighters which have huge disadvantage at long maps
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Post by GuitarGuy on Nov 1, 2017 11:30:57 GMT -5
On discord: Scream for help In squad: hope for someone to notice and help Solo: Go out guns blazing and die with a maniac grin on your face. THIS... 100% sometimes your just outgunned and in a jacked up spot. If the game is gonna end in a loss might as well get all the damage you can and make the reds remember your name. The key thing is learn from it and try not to get yourself in that situation again. |
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Post by ᎶƦ℮℮ƊᎽ ƤΛƝƊΛ on Nov 1, 2017 11:35:23 GMT -5
If you’re simply trying to win the game, keep both of their attention on you for as long as possible. Any time you have two reds focusing on one blue for any extended period of time, your team should have an advantage. Whether or not your team capitalizes on that is out of your control.
If your goals are more individual in nature, go guns blazing as others have said and rack up some damage before dropping a new bot in hopefully a better location.
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Post by AzureAura on Nov 1, 2017 12:05:54 GMT -5
I'm usually solo on stuff like this and I've learned some things about it.
Look at both to see which is closer and thus easier to kill, if they both exceed 450m its not worth it assuming you are in a natasha. If they do exceed 450m try to see if they are distracted by turning your bot around the corner at a certain angle which let's your camera see around the corner without exposing yourself. If either is distracted try to get closer without shooting as that will get you noticed, once you reach under 300 then can you fire away and score a kill with minimal damage done to you.
If they are focused on you then do as others said, suck it up and wait for opportunities. If in the slightest chance a bot shows up next to one of the mid rangers and it looks like a knife fighter and its walking towards you be prepared to fight. If it passes by without a glance in your direction DO NOT fire at it as it will attract other knife fighters and midrangers nearby. If the bot happens to be another mid ranger, dismiss that side and don't even try to fight them as they're do more damage than the solo mid ranger and possibly kill you before you get a few good shots.
If you see a teammate fighting either mid ranger take that opportunity and help them fight the mid ranger as it'll go down pretty fast with two bots fighting it and you want to score as much damage as you can.
I've listed the most likely scenarios but the battlefield is always changing so this might help or it might not.
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Post by F-A-H-Q on Nov 1, 2017 12:08:16 GMT -5
So here I am driving my knife-fighter on the moon. My thunders and pinatas do sweet damage. Except there is a mid-range punisher bot on the left and mid-range laser bot on the right. I'm stuck under cover. No matter which direction I head, a mid-range bot is going to wear me down before I get in range to shoot back. What's a short-range bot to do? Camp until a teammate comes by to distract one of the mid-range bots? Yes, you either wait, or die. Depends on if its BR or Dom. This is why teamwork is so important. |
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Post by mechtout on Nov 1, 2017 12:34:56 GMT -5
Both those bots will eat a carnage up, you either need blues to help, corner shoot, or wait for them to close in.
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Post by andy3k on Nov 4, 2017 14:42:19 GMT -5
Good advice from all. Thanks.
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