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Post by imnobody on Oct 1, 2017 6:53:56 GMT -5
Let the whales enjoy their short gratification while this game last, because this game is going to die out soon once BoT become successful over it predecessor LOL. enjoy your 300$ + in game, idiots. did pix forget to tell you there is no refund? LOL (just in case the company get bankrupt )
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Post by Mammoth Mk-2 on Oct 1, 2017 9:56:41 GMT -5
Let the whales enjoy their short gratification while this game last, because this game is going to die out soon once BoT become successful over it predecessor LOL. enjoy your 300$ + in game, idiots. did pix forget to tell you there is no refund? LOL (just in case the company get bankrupt )  |
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Post by valoricus on Oct 1, 2017 10:51:19 GMT -5
Let the whales enjoy their short gratification while this game last, because this game is going to die out soon once BoT become successful over it predecessor LOL. enjoy your 300$ + in game, idiots. did pix forget to tell you there is no refund? LOL (just in case the company get bankrupt ) I'm reasonably sure that the MKII system in combination with the new Component scam will mean that the death of this game is a virtual certainty. Developers should have learned by now that setting this new terrible precedent and essentially pulling the rug out from under the player base can't go over well. Why they did this so close to BoT release is beyond me. |
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Post by danny on Oct 1, 2017 10:56:25 GMT -5
If this game were to die, it'd be quite sad though. I hope someone with some business sense will buy it off Mail.ru and relaunch it.
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Post by danny on Oct 1, 2017 10:58:32 GMT -5
Let the whales enjoy their short gratification while this game last, because this game is going to die out soon once BoT become successful over it predecessor LOL. enjoy your 300$ + in game, idiots. did pix forget to tell you there is no refund? LOL (just in case the company get bankrupt ) This is so cute! |
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Post by carnage on Oct 1, 2017 11:23:44 GMT -5
Funny how the community went sour fast :
Before : "it's good people spend on the game, it allows us to enjoy it for free"
After : "?firetruck?ing whales, everything's their fault !" |
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Post by nosinov on Oct 1, 2017 11:42:42 GMT -5
Funny how the community went sour fast :
Before : "it's good people spend on the game, it allows us to enjoy it for free"
After : "?firetruck?ing whales, everything's their fault !" Well, going against all Haechi hangars ? ? ? with 90% winrate and 1,1mil av damage is simply frustrating. Especially for supporters with premium and more purchases. It's paper/scissors/rock and Haechi. |
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Post by _psychø on Oct 1, 2017 11:43:13 GMT -5
Funny how the community went sour fast :
Before : "it's good people spend on the game, it allows us to enjoy it for free"
After : "?firetruck?ing whales, everything's their fault !" Spending $50 for a Lancelot might be okay but spending $300 for an Inquisitor is not. |
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Post by danny on Oct 1, 2017 11:44:01 GMT -5
Funny how the community went sour fast :
Before : "it's good people spend on the game, it allows us to enjoy it for free"
After : "?firetruck?ing whales, everything's their fault !" Big difference between spending and whaling. |
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on Oct 1, 2017 11:46:05 GMT -5
Funny how the community went sour fast :
Before : "it's good people spend on the game, it allows us to enjoy it for free"
After : "?firetruck?ing whales, everything's their fault !" Yes, because there is a difference between then and now. at least for me.. |
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Post by carnage on Oct 1, 2017 12:11:28 GMT -5
I know guys, I was just joking a bit. 
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Oct 1, 2017 12:22:52 GMT -5
Let the whales enjoy their short gratification while this game last, because this game is going to die out soon once BoT become successful over it predecessor LOL. enjoy your 300$ + in game, idiots. did pix forget to tell you there is no refund? LOL (just in case the company get bankrupt ) The sad thing is, they're referred to as whales, but they're more like termites or some other vermin. They infest, eat away at the foundation, then the entire structure collapses. Think BoT will be any different? If there's any monetary incentive to upgrade, the P2W vermin will infest and destroy BoT just as they've infested and destroyed War Robots. It's a sad, but inevitable reality. |
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Post by rustedscrap on Oct 1, 2017 12:23:06 GMT -5
Funny how the community went sour fast :
Before : "it's good people spend on the game, it allows us to enjoy it for free"
After : "?firetruck?ing whales, everything's their fault !" Exactly what I was thinking. I played 'for free' for over a year. I've since bought premium continuously and spent money on the black market. I'm happy with what I got. I was happy as a free player and continue to be happy with this game. |
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Post by _psychø on Oct 1, 2017 13:55:53 GMT -5
I know guys, I was just joking a bit.
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Post by danny on Oct 1, 2017 14:06:24 GMT -5
Let the whales enjoy their short gratification while this game last, because this game is going to die out soon once BoT become successful over it predecessor LOL. enjoy your 300$ + in game, idiots. did pix forget to tell you there is no refund? LOL (just in case the company get bankrupt ) The sad thing is, they're referred to as whales, but they're more like termites or some other vermin. They infest, eat away at the foundation, then the entire structure collapses. Think BoT will be any different? If there's any monetary incentive to upgrade, the P2W vermin will infest and destroy BoT just as they've infested and destroyed War Robots. It's a sad, but inevitable reality. I don't think all developers are this short-sighted though. |
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Oct 1, 2017 14:16:37 GMT -5
The sad thing is, they're referred to as whales, but they're more like termites or some other vermin. They infest, eat away at the foundation, then the entire structure collapses. Think BoT will be any different? If there's any monetary incentive to upgrade, the P2W vermin will infest and destroy BoT just as they've infested and destroyed War Robots. It's a sad, but inevitable reality. I don't think all developers are this short-sighted though. War Robots didn't start out that way. Things change. New investors have different ideas on what direction they want the company to take. The more shareholders, the lower the dividends. The lower the dividends, the more the shareholders scream for more profits to make up for the shortfall on their dividends. P2W starts small, but once it takes hold, it quite often will snowball, just as we've seen on War Robots. Am I wrong in my analysis? Very possibly. The analysis was arrived at using statistics that I've made up, and from a very reliable source of uninformed opinion.  |
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Post by Dredd77 on Oct 1, 2017 14:20:28 GMT -5
Let the whales enjoy their short gratification while this game last, because this game is going to die out soon once BoT become successful over it predecessor LOL. enjoy your 300$ + in game, idiots. did pix forget to tell you there is no refund? LOL (just in case the company get bankrupt ) The sad thing is, they're referred to as whales, but they're more like termites or some other vermin. They infest, eat away at the foundation, then the entire structure collapses. Think BoT will be any different? If there's any monetary incentive to upgrade, the P2W vermin will infest and destroy BoT just as they've infested and destroyed War Robots. It's a sad, but inevitable reality. You’re shooting the wrong target. Games can remain healthy while catering to both ends of the consumer experience IF balance is maintained. |
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Oct 1, 2017 14:24:24 GMT -5
The sad thing is, they're referred to as whales, but they're more like termites or some other vermin. They infest, eat away at the foundation, then the entire structure collapses. Think BoT will be any different? If there's any monetary incentive to upgrade, the P2W vermin will infest and destroy BoT just as they've infested and destroyed War Robots. It's a sad, but inevitable reality. You’re shooting the wrong target. Games can remain healthy while catering to both ends of the consumer experience IF balance is maintained. I stand corrected. I've often been told that my aim was off. Perhaps I should have qualified it by saying, "If left untreated", or "If not held in check", the above can happen. |
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Post by zer00eyz on Oct 1, 2017 14:53:27 GMT -5
I don't think all developers are this short-sighted though. War Robots didn't start out that way. Things change. New investors have different ideas on what direction they want the company to take. The more shareholders, the lower the dividends. The lower the dividends, the more the shareholders scream for more profits to make up for the shortfall on their dividends. P2W starts small, but once it takes hold, it quite often will snowball, just as we've seen on War Robots. Am I wrong in my analysis? Very possibly. The analysis was arrived at using statistics that I've made up, and from very reliable uninformed opinion. Ok so pix sold to mail.ru for 30 million. 20 million of that was "up front" and 10 million of that was based on them meeting some set of targets. To this end the press release notes that pixonic will "remain independent" -- The CEO of pix is still the CEO of pix, and rather than roll up to a board of directors he probably reports in directly to the CEO of mail.ru This sort of relationship isn't unheard of for new acquisitions, letting them remain "independent". There are usually attempts to integrate shared functions that would benefit from scale: accounting, customer service, some IT functions (your corporate email account but probably not the actual game servers). There were/are some oddities around this transition, it looks like some marketing folks from mail.ru proper ended up transitioning over to work for Pixonic proper. Movement of staff in this direction would be "abnormal" in most deals like this, but Pix was a data driven company (to the point of having their own collection and reporting tools) so this might be part of what mail.ru was actually acquiring. Without knowing the terms of the deal, we can only speculate as to the real details behind the structure of that 30 million payout. These sorts of things are fairly standard however. The upfront payment goes to pix's early investors, we can assume that the lions share of that went to those who made the 6 million dollar investment that started and ran pix in it's early days. The 10 million deferred payment will most likely be structured over some number of years, and go to those founders who remain to run the organization assuming that they hit the aforementioned targets. In total, your not conceptually that far off the mark. It is the right idea you just had the wrong players and names. Pix put out this statement at the time of the merger: pixonic.com/en/posts/292 --- the first sentence is a bit disingenuous, because the company was founded in 2009 but Igor Klyukin didn't join till 2011 --- his "founder" status is revisionist history and a better reflection of his likely participation as a partner in the defered payment. If you dig even further Philipp Gladkov wasn't even working at pix (per linked in) when it received its first VC money making his "founder" status questionable as well, and the claim might a reflection of his participation in the same payment. These are the players and names who are the literal leaders of pix and the ones who have the most to gain (Probably personally) in the current situation. |
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Post by frunobulax on Oct 1, 2017 17:11:26 GMT -5
I'm reasonably sure that the MKII system in combination with the new Component scam will mean that the death of this game is a virtual certainty. Developers should have learned by now that setting this new terrible precedent and essentially pulling the rug out from under the player base can't go over well. Why they did this so close to BoT release is beyond me. (1) BoT will be released on iOS only. The Android player base is much, much larger. (2) If they make their profit now, they won't care. I think they bought Pixo for something like 30 million, if they make 50 million now they won't shed a tear if the game dies. |
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Post by T34 on Oct 1, 2017 17:22:57 GMT -5
If this game were to die, it'd be quite sad though. I hope someone with some business sense will buy it off Mail.ru and relaunch it. I would not be surprised if that is pixonics plan. Extract as much money and sell it. |
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Post by shivaswrath on Oct 1, 2017 17:52:53 GMT -5
Funny how the community went sour fast :
Before : "it's good people spend on the game, it allows us to enjoy it for free"
After : "?firetruck?ing whales, everything's their fault !" Well, going against all Haechi hangars ? ? ? with 90% winrate and 1,1mil av damage is simply frustrating. Especially for supporters with premium and more purchases. It's paper/scissors/rock and Haechi. So If they nerf them it'll be ok? |
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Oct 1, 2017 18:17:05 GMT -5
Well, going against all Haechi hangars ? ? ? with 90% winrate and 1,1mil av damage is simply frustrating. Especially for supporters with premium and more purchases. It's paper/scissors/rock and Haechi. So If they nerf them it'll be ok? Only until the next OP Bot or weapon is released. |
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Post by imnobody on Oct 1, 2017 18:49:48 GMT -5
This game is going to die just like the way need 4 speed multiplayer did .Once a kid find a new toy to play they'll drop their old toy and move on to new things. How would I review this game you ask? simple. The game mechanic require zero mental challenge skill to pilot the bot, like two kids at an elementary school playground comparing who's toy has the bigger upgrade .The one who has the bigger upgrade win. Destroying your opponent only give you that short gratification knowing you didn't have go through any tactical strategy advance movement to get your opponent, and finally destroying your opponent. Just point aim and shoot. The game is aimed for bozo who cant exert and burn off any brain calories.
BoT is around the corner and pix have months to redeem itself.
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Post by Strayed on Oct 1, 2017 20:29:11 GMT -5
I don't think all developers are this short-sighted though. War Robots didn't start out that way. Things change. New investors have different ideas on what direction they want the company to take. The more shareholders, the lower the dividends. The lower the dividends, the more the shareholders scream for more profits to make up for the shortfall on their dividends. P2W starts small, but once it takes hold, it quite often will snowball, just as we've seen on War Robots. Am I wrong in my analysis? Very possibly. The analysis was arrived at using statistics that I've made up, and from a very reliable source of uninformed opinion. The problem is that War Robots was bought out by mail.ru, the company that tried to make a competitor to WoT and fell flat on its face. BoT is being made by the original devs of war robots who made the game extremely successful without relying on pay to win tactics until mail.ru bought them out and they quit once they saw what mail.ru was going to do to the game. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 20:53:24 GMT -5
War Robots didn't start out that way. Things change. New investors have different ideas on what direction they want the company to take. The more shareholders, the lower the dividends. The lower the dividends, the more the shareholders scream for more profits to make up for the shortfall on their dividends. P2W starts small, but once it takes hold, it quite often will snowball, just as we've seen on War Robots. Am I wrong in my analysis? Very possibly. The analysis was arrived at using statistics that I've made up, and from a very reliable source of uninformed opinion. The problem is that War Robots was bought out by mail.ru, the company that tried to make a competitor to WoT and fell flat on its face. BoT is being made by the original devs of war robots who made the game extremely successful without relying on pay to win tactics until mail.re bought them out and they quit once they saw what mail.ru was going to do to the game. ^ This. There are maybe two people seen on the BoT whitepaper that aren't former Walking War Robots staff. While "Pixonic" may still have it's status as a proprietary company, many of the core developers for Walking War Robots have left, and were presumably replaced by candidates "suggested" by Mail.Ru. One of the BoT core staff is the monetization advisor that worked on the original Walking War Robots, so, it's very likely that the new person supervising the current War Robots monetization is one of the employees that moved laterally between War Robots and Mail.Ru. That being said, Mail.Ru's previous failures are erupting into War Robots at an astonishing rate. The only thing that can explain the peak in population is the push for Social networks and events (which wasn't on the radar previously). They took a game with a winning formula, marketed it better than the previous set of developers, and then applied their losing formulas from their prior attempt at breaking into the market. If anything, they probably looked at their old business model, and figured that it only flopped because of the sparcity of the population's involvement with their game. That assumption made, there was probably no introspecive analysis of the plans they're trying to enact. As such the plan that is doomed to fail at it's very core, as the public reception was not fully considered. It seems they are truly surprised by the community outrage, which just points at them getting too comfortable with the numbers they racked up during the events. |
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Oct 1, 2017 20:53:44 GMT -5
War Robots didn't start out that way. Things change. New investors have different ideas on what direction they want the company to take. The more shareholders, the lower the dividends. The lower the dividends, the more the shareholders scream for more profits to make up for the shortfall on their dividends. P2W starts small, but once it takes hold, it quite often will snowball, just as we've seen on War Robots. Am I wrong in my analysis? Very possibly. The analysis was arrived at using statistics that I've made up, and from a very reliable source of uninformed opinion. The problem is that War Robots was bought out by mail.ru, the company that tried to make a competitor to WoT and fell flat on its face. BoT is being made by the original devs of war robots who made the game extremely successful without relying on pay to win tactics until mail.re bought them out and they quit once they saw what mail.ru was going to do to the game. So you are implying that BoT will likely be more F2P friendly? At least for a while? I know I'm getting sick of finding games too late once they have switched over to P2W or are petering out. I just want a good game that I can play for like a whole year or more. One I can start playing from the beginning and work hard at being competitive for a nice while before it goes to 「dookie」. I'm really hoping BoT will be it but I'm uncertain I'll ever find true love ? |
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Post by imnobody on Oct 1, 2017 20:55:26 GMT -5
Mail.ru has pix's team tied behind their back and are charge how to run and operate the sale. It sadden me we are bashing the wrong group, its Mail.ru we should be against, not pix.
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Oct 1, 2017 21:04:12 GMT -5
I'm hoping that they'll have all the bugs worked out of BoT by the time it hits the Android market.
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Post by WilsonK on Oct 1, 2017 22:30:49 GMT -5
They just simply shifted towards caring more about their profit margin, instead of the people a company or organisation should reach out to.
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