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Post by frunobulax on Sept 22, 2017 7:25:02 GMT -5
The Schütze is an odd duckling. It is rather slow for a light robot (55kph top speed), but it does carry a heavy weapon. And if you fit a Thunder on it, it has the potential to take down a lot of robots that look a lot bigger. A Thunder will kill a light bot with 6 shots, and most heavy robots (up to 174k HP) with 12 shots. And it can deliver 8 shots in 8 seconds, because the Thunder reloads while firing, so if a Schütze sneaks on you you'll be toast, probably. Of course this is a lost art. In the current matchmaking, the Schütze is basically scrap metal. A Rog has almost twice the HP, is faster and packs more power either with Orkans or Thunders. Everything the Schütze can do is done better by the Carnage, with twice the firepower, an Ancile and higher burst speed. In low leagues, the Schütze is too slow to sneak up on enemy robots (like the Carnage can do). And it is really very squishy. And this is really a shame, because under the old matchmaking it was loads of fun to play high bronze or low silver with Thunder Schützes against stock medium robots. Best setup: - Thunder. The only silver weapon that can deliver significant damage in a short time.
- Tempest, Ember and Redeemer. Well - OK. If you own one of these, I'd figure you own a better platform for them.
And that's it, all other heavy weapons are better used on other robots, even a Natasha if we want to stick to silver. You will find my other analysis threads linked here. |
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Post by _psychø on Sept 23, 2017 6:59:18 GMT -5
Ancile Schutze!
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Sept 23, 2017 8:28:12 GMT -5
A Rog has almost twice the HP, is faster and packs more power either with Orkans or Thunders. I'm having trouble quoting the particular line and pressed for time but I just wanted to point out that you accidently said "Orkans & THUNDERS" when you began comparing it to the Rog. Guessing you meant Tarans. Great analysis though! EDIT: quoted it. |
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 24, 2017 6:44:43 GMT -5
A Rog has almost twice the HP, is faster and packs more power either with Orkans or Thunders. I'm having trouble quoting the particular line and pressed for time but I just wanted to point out that you accidently said "Orkans & THUNDERS" when you began comparing it to the Rog. Guessing you meant Tarans. Tarans, of couse  |
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Post by elcheapo on Sept 24, 2017 18:08:13 GMT -5
Thunder Shutze is great for attacking light bots but you are usually toast if you attack a medium or heavy by yourself . Mounting a trident increases your lifespan significantly . I would not waste Zues or tempest on it although that would be a better option over trident.
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Sept 24, 2017 18:14:30 GMT -5
A hit and run Zeus would cause all kinds of havoc, especially if you had two guys running a Shutze Zeus. Both go in and zap, then retreat and recharge. Or they take turns going in and hitting the enemy, one under each bridge on Yam. Their teamate goes in while the other is recharging. Zap and run. Zap and run. Sounds like fun. And the enemy won't know who to shoot at, especially if they're doing it at over 500 meters.
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Post by elcheapo on Dec 6, 2017 6:21:25 GMT -5
Wow , comparing silver light robot to WSP and gold medium bots. BRAVO !!! YAY !! SCIENCE !!! DARWIN AWARD !!! How about this ? A hoochie coochie is faster , packs more fire power with orkans , Everything a carnage and rog can do is done better by the heachie ......and its also a medium bot . In defence of the scrap metal bot . One of those classic bits of advice which I frown upon . Thunder gives it potential blah blah blah. Don't put the wrong weapon on it and it might work better. Here is a level 10 Zeus on a level 7 Shutze . Only bot I used this entire match . Carnage Zues is great because it can close the gap or run off . Well same goes for Shutze . Now let's paste some piccies , cause I love ya . Shutze has no hp like all the rest of the light bots , you want to increase lifespan , you stay away from brawling . Gimme an hour on those pics .   There is your potential kiddies . More than a quarter million damage in diamond league is good days work from any discount light bot . Half the reason is , I kept my distance why ? Light bot....... no Hit points ..... do math . Please dont embarrass yourself and put a thunder on Shutze . In this game robots take second place to weapons . Remember that when your favorite bot is taking verbal flak from the not so grandmasters . Most of the time your robot is just legs for your mega bang bang and them is pretty fast legs if its a feather weight tin can . ![]() |
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Post by moolamu on Dec 6, 2017 12:13:05 GMT -5
elcheapoChill, man. Your points aren't wrong, but they don't disprove the original post either. Can you run a Zeus on a Schutz? Yes. Is it good? Compared to any other robot with a heavy hardpoint, not really.
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Post by Anon O. Mous on Dec 6, 2017 13:07:08 GMT -5
During my capping task a couple of days ago, I took my 7/10 Shutze Thunder for a spin. I was able to cap two beacons and take out a Leo and part of a Griff before they took me out. I don't know if I'll go that way again, but it was fun while it lasted. Someday I want to take it up to level 9 so that I can get the full speed out of him.
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Post by elcheapo on Dec 6, 2017 13:26:32 GMT -5
elcheapo Chill, man. Your points aren't wrong, but they don't disprove the original post either. Can you run a Zeus on a Schutz? Yes. Is it good? Compared to any other robot with a heavy hardpoint, not really. That is an unfair comparison . All the other heavy hard point bots are mediums and heavies and that's before you take into account gold bots or wsp bots. Does Shutze really suck if you compare it with Destrier or Cossack ? Could Orkan Gary laugh at Zeus Shutze ? Probably Yes but it's a gold bot with a gold weapon . |
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Post by moolamu on Dec 6, 2017 20:49:41 GMT -5
elcheapo Chill, man. Your points aren't wrong, but they don't disprove the original post either. Can you run a Zeus on a Schutz? Yes. Is it good? Compared to any other robot with a heavy hardpoint, not really. That is an unfair comparison . All the other heavy hard point bots are mediums and heavies and that's before you take into account gold bots or wsp bots. Does Shutze really suck if you compare it with Destrier or Cossack ? Could Orkan Gary laugh at Zeus Shutze ? Probably Yes but it's a gold bot with a gold weapon . I get what you mean. For its class, i.e. silver light robots, the Schutz is unique. And I'll even say it's unique among ALL the robots because it is THE fastest platform that one can run a heavy weapon on. However, unless there's a light robots mode (I wish), the uniqueness doesn't amount to any actual benefits. So no, it isn't unfair to compare it to mediums and what-not. There are far better platforms for a Zeus. |
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Post by ezekielcrow on Dec 7, 2017 0:23:23 GMT -5
Someone really should organize the first bi annual all schutze derby. Lv9 with lv6 weapons?
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jul 25, 2018 14:18:43 GMT -5
They recently did an unarmed schutze with "hell dive" skill. It was fun.
*I forgot to mention this was in the custom skirmish matches by game devs.
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Post by Replicant on Jul 25, 2018 14:49:13 GMT -5
I miss death ostrich days.
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Post by windcaster on Jul 25, 2018 14:57:14 GMT -5
Exodus Schutze?
It would probably look right at home on top of it.. and it's like 1.6 orkans worth of fire power.
not that you would really want to deploy this bot but fairly nasty I would think.
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Post by oooohmyyy on Jul 27, 2018 10:37:43 GMT -5
What's Schutze?
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Jul 27, 2018 10:48:55 GMT -5
A reminder of better days.
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Post by ░SᑌᑕKᗩ░ᘻC░ on Jul 27, 2018 17:13:39 GMT -5
Thank you Fruno for these analyses. I read all of them with the same enthusiasm I read comic books when I was younger.
The Schutze has always been a favorite of mine and agree it's an odd bird.
Something about taking out another bot with it is so satisfying.
My clan is doing custom matches tonight using legacy bots/weapons so I'm going to take the DO for a spin down memory lane!
#DeathOstrich
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Sept 29, 2018 19:10:13 GMT -5
Someone just mentioned this bot in another thread. Adding a light Ancile and sprint skill similar to Carnage or Helldive like in the skirmish match would really revitalize this bot. This was really one of my favorite bots until I had saved enough WP for better builds like Carnage/Rhino.
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Post by vengefulsoul on Oct 2, 2018 9:51:10 GMT -5
Falcon is the new Shutz.
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Post by ruavinagigglem8 on Oct 2, 2018 13:46:01 GMT -5
Enable it to disable its weapon for like double the movement speed, so that it can quickly get in to vantage points and run between areas of cover.
Give it a small cooldown after reactivating the weapon.
Make it be toggle-based, like Britbot shield.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Oct 3, 2018 20:03:23 GMT -5
Basically adding a skill, inbuilt items, and/or a beef. Not the total removal. As far as Falcon replacing it, there is no comparing from a tier 1 bot to a tier 2-3 bot. I'm just saying this should get a chance at new life, not be a new uber bot. This could be the mini Carnage/Bulwark. or, they could make it the light of another build line, but make it usable again.
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Post by ruavinagigglem8 on Oct 3, 2018 20:11:24 GMT -5
A reminder of better days.
I miss those days. . . |
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Post by milty72 on Oct 4, 2018 22:52:30 GMT -5
A reminder of better days.
I miss those days. . . No point in reminiscing. Build it and run one. I have a tempest on mine at the moment. The treb schutze was really weird. Maybe a bit too weird. |
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Post by SuperHero on Oct 5, 2018 4:18:28 GMT -5
Hmmmmm. Anyone tried an Exodus?
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Post by TooSchoolForCool on Oct 5, 2018 8:29:08 GMT -5
Hmmmmm. Anyone tried an Exodus? that’s next on my game plan, about halfway there and just got a second flux in royale plus my weylend will be done in a few hours so workshop will be open and ready for an exodus. I’ll let you know in a month when I get the exodus levelled lol |
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Post by ruavinagigglem8 on Oct 7, 2018 14:52:44 GMT -5
No point in reminiscing. Build it and run one. I have a tempest on mine at the moment. The treb schutze was really weird. Maybe a bit too weird. Sigh, there’s just no point nowadays: too slow to outrun Spectre, too fragile to outlive Spectre. Everything sucks now thanks to the high mobility, high survivability, high firepower rocket bots. |
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Post by mothbot on Oct 10, 2018 21:36:49 GMT -5
No point in reminiscing. Build it and run one. I have a tempest on mine at the moment. The treb schutze was really weird. Maybe a bit too weird. Sigh, there’s just no point nowadays: too slow to outrun Spectre, too fragile to outlive Spectre. Everything sucks now thanks to the high mobility, high survivability, high firepower rocket bots. It's a shame because I dearly would love to actually see one of these bots in action. It would be like spotting an ivory billed woodpecker. I want Pix to bring it back! |
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Post by ruavinagigglem8 on Oct 12, 2018 0:07:12 GMT -5
It's a shame because I dearly would love to actually see one of these bots in action. It would be like spotting an ivory billed woodpecker. I want Pix to bring it back! I have one in my hangar, I just don’t use it because - given the direction the game has devolved towards over the years - Schutze is basically rendered a Free Kill. |
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Post by milty72 on Oct 12, 2018 0:23:51 GMT -5
Hmmmmm. Anyone tried an Exodus? Yes. Once I 12MK2ed mine I through an Exodus on it and I didn't like it. Pock....pock....pock.... I'm not a fan of the exodus. Since then I've tried everything on it except an ancile.
I think the Avenger is the bestest so far.
Not many of my heavies are levelled up much but Schutze is a fun bot. Drives nicely. Looks funny. Dies easy. But it's a nice challenge every now and then to take one out for a spin.
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