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Post by TravLar on Sept 12, 2017 9:14:19 GMT -5
I need help guys! Below is my current hangar. My rating drops and rises around this level (3500 Expert 3/2).
I just got a Rog 'cos it'll really suit my play style but I still need to level it. I also have: Bots: Leo 11 Leo 9 Carnage 10 Weapons: Thunder 10 & 9 Zeus 11 & 9 Tridents 2 at lvl9 Orkans 10 & 10 Tulus 2 at lvl 10 Pinatas 11 & 10 Aphids 9 & 8 Molots Mk1 3 at lvl 10 Molot Mk2 10 & 7 Hydra 2 at lvl11 Spirals 2 at Level 11 and extras of most stuff at low levels.
Other available bots are a Fujin, Rhino, Stalker and the Rog.
So this started with me wandering what I'll take out to put the Rog in.
My concerns are: Gary's shield seems really valuanble against Gekkos and Trebs - how is Rog gonna do? Same with Galahad, and he often take down a Tarancilot for me. Do I need a Lance? I have 3300 in Au, should I keep saving? If I want to climb through Expert to Masters, what Bots do I need in my hangar? Is this gonna be ultra meta and boring?
You'll see there are two Orkans that I'm not even using at the moment, using a Punisher Griff instead of a DB. I'm I playing too cautiously?
Please, help me design my hangar for the future and give me some pointers on what my play
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 12, 2017 9:19:08 GMT -5
Personally I'll take a DB Griff over a Punisher Griff any day. You need more Orkans. Replacing the Gary with an Orkan Rog would be a first step. Then I would switch that Punisher Griffin to DB (Pinata Orkan) or possibly a Thunder Orkan Lance.
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Post by options1986 on Sept 12, 2017 9:43:11 GMT -5
You need a lancelot for sure. I would swap Gareth with a DB Rhino for capping beacon. Gala could stay but the Thunder Magnum Leo could be a good alternative.
Looking at your average Damage I'd say that you are overcautious. Try to be progressivly more aggressive until the point you bot out at the end or with a minute left in the game.
Your actual Hangar is feasibile to stay in Champions League, even on Adnroid, btw
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Post by seanh on Sept 12, 2017 9:43:27 GMT -5
I spent a good few weeks there in the War Robots equivalent of ground hog day, just managed to get out of the relegation zone about a week ago. It’s fairly rough.
When the champs and masters turn up its really hard to not be bottom of the damage table. Those +2 / -22 games just kill you.
Are you mostly playing Dom or BR? I found the approach and the hanger to each to be very different.
I certainly don’t have all the answers, but on a few of your points:
- Rog is far more survivable than Gary, best with Orkans.
- Zues’s really helped my situation. Could stay outside red RDB’s and zap away(probably on that carnage).
- For Dom I ran a Rog, two mid range and two brawlers. For BR ended up settling on one Mid range and 4 brawlers. Thinking about putting the Rog back in to the BR hanger now that I appear to be over the hump.
- I tried a punisher Griff, but he was too squishy for sustained fire (yours is higher levelled than mine, so might work for you), instead I ran a Thunder Pun Leo, really helped my situation.
- I had two lances by the time I managed to get through it. If you can stick an ancile on one it’s a veritable rock. Without the ancile its nothing to get too excited about.
- I got good mileage from a DB griff, nice being able to melt anything, champ or otherwise.
- Game play had to change a fair bit in those games where you were clearly the littlest fish. Had to stop wasting bots too early, play more of a support role. If the reds are all champs, that means the MM has probably given you some too, try and get on their shoulders and play support. I followed many an ancilot around hiding under his bubble popping out from behind him to shoot.
I am having flash backs now, so better stop. Anyway just a few things that worked for me. Good luck with it.
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Post by inspirace on Sept 12, 2017 10:41:22 GMT -5
I would just replace the Gareth with an Orkan Rog and see how it goes. others seem matter of tastes and you can rotate them. I would also suggest try a Thunder Carn, sharing a spot with the Pun Griff. your win% and dmg suggest that you are more of a beacon runner type. this type wins games and help teammates, but tend to stay in one league for long (like my first account, forever master3), which, I think, is absolutely fine. if you do want to advance in league standing, try to increase the number of weapons, especially Orkans, you bring to the battle. in my case it was a DB Rhino. an Orkan Rog will do the job up to master leagues, I guess. your weapon/bot levels are higher than my master3 league account  |
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Post by DarkVagabond on Sept 12, 2017 10:44:09 GMT -5
I spent a good few weeks there in the War Robots equivalent of ground hog day, just managed to get out of the relegation zone about a week ago. It’s fairly rough. When the champs and masters turn up its really hard to not be bottom of the damage table. Those +2 / -22 games just kill you. Are you mostly playing Dom or BR? I found the approach and the hanger to each to be very different. I certainly don’t have all the answers, but on a few of your points: - Rog is far more survivable than Gary, best with Orkans. - Zues’s really helped my situation. Could stay outside red RDB’s and zap away(probably on that carnage). - For Dom I ran a Rog, two mid range and two brawlers. For BR ended up settling on one Mid range and 4 brawlers. Thinking about putting the Rog back in to the BR hanger now that I appear to be over the hump. - I tried a punisher Griff, but he was too squishy for sustained fire (yours is higher levelled than mine, so might work for you), instead I ran a Thunder Pun Leo, really helped my situation. - I had two lances by the time I managed to get through it. If you can stick an ancile on one it’s a veritable rock. Without the ancile its nothing to get too excited about. - I got good mileage from a DB griff, nice being able to melt anything, champ or otherwise. - Game play had to change a fair bit in those games where you were clearly the littlest fish. Had to stop wasting bots too early, play more of a support role. If the reds are all champs, that means the MM has probably given you some too, try and get on their shoulders and play support. I followed many an ancilot around hiding under his bubble popping out from behind him to shoot. I am having flash backs now, so better stop. Anyway just a few things that worked for me. Good luck with it. This. I couldn't have said it better myself. Thorough advice from seanh. It's true that you need at least one Lance to really get over that 3500 hump. I hear you, I was also there for ages. The thing that really made the difference for me was joining a top 100 clan. Your levels are high enough where they would seriously consider you. Through high level squad play you can not only increase your winrate (and therefore League ranking), but also learn great new tricks to improve your skill. That's what got me into Master anyway. Just my 2c |
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Post by inspirace on Sept 12, 2017 10:53:53 GMT -5
I spent a good few weeks there in the War Robots equivalent of ground hog day, just managed to get out of the relegation zone about a week ago. It’s fairly rough. When the champs and masters turn up its really hard to not be bottom of the damage table. Those +2 / -22 games just kill you. Are you mostly playing Dom or BR? I found the approach and the hanger to each to be very different. I certainly don’t have all the answers, but on a few of your points: - Rog is far more survivable than Gary, best with Orkans. - Zues’s really helped my situation. Could stay outside red RDB’s and zap away(probably on that carnage). - For Dom I ran a Rog, two mid range and two brawlers. For BR ended up settling on one Mid range and 4 brawlers. Thinking about putting the Rog back in to the BR hanger now that I appear to be over the hump. - I tried a punisher Griff, but he was too squishy for sustained fire (yours is higher levelled than mine, so might work for you), instead I ran a Thunder Pun Leo, really helped my situation. - I had two lances by the time I managed to get through it. If you can stick an ancile on one it’s a veritable rock. Without the ancile its nothing to get too excited about. - I got good mileage from a DB griff, nice being able to melt anything, champ or otherwise. - Game play had to change a fair bit in those games where you were clearly the littlest fish. Had to stop wasting bots too early, play more of a support role. If the reds are all champs, that means the MM has probably given you some too, try and get on their shoulders and play support. I followed many an ancilot around hiding under his bubble popping out from behind him to shoot. I am having flash backs now, so better stop. Anyway just a few things that worked for me. Good luck with it. the underlined. absolutely, what I am always doing and talking about. even if I don't run any Lance in master3 (win% 58~62), I rely on fellow Ancilots, adhere to it whenever I see one, and trying to create synergy and do better than two Ancilots. Plasmahad, Orkan Rog, and Thunder Carn are all vulnerable to things, but if you follow fellow bots with shields (and likely less firepower), you can do wonders. when enemies are cleared a bit, you can move to next relevant places and tasks quickly, using your mobility. Gareth is a bit too small and not enough firepower to play this role, so that's why I suggest to replace it with an Ork Rog. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 11:00:03 GMT -5
all advice above is sound.
If you want to advance, I'll encourage you to go for damage more than you do.
Your gareth isn't doing much of that and while punisher griff is a magnificent team oriented bot (shreds ancilots, wonder bot on canyon) it generates doesn't do as well as a db or plasma griff. I wouldn't use a plasma galahad, but if it works for you of course it shouldn't be changed.
I don't really think you need a lancelot, but then again I'm partial to griffs when going for damage. In any case, consider giving Ag bots a solid try before shelving for the lance
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Post by Deadeye on Sept 12, 2017 11:21:11 GMT -5
I need help guys! Below is my current hangar. My rating drops and rises around this level (3500 Expert 3/2).
I just got a Rog 'cos it'll really suit my play style but I still need to level it. I also have: Bots: Leo 11 Leo 9 Carnage 10 Weapons: Thunder 10 & 9 Zeus 11 & 9 Tridents 2 at lvl9 Orkans 10 & 10 Tulus 2 at lvl 10 Pinatas 11 & 10 Aphids 9 & 8 Molots Mk1 3 at lvl 10 Molot Mk2 10 & 7 Hydra 2 at lvl11 Spirals 2 at Level 11 and extras of most stuff at low levels.
Other available bots are a Fujin, Rhino, Stalker and the Rog.
So this started with me wandering what I'll take out to put the Rog in.
My concerns are: Gary's shield seems really valuanble against Gekkos and Trebs - how is Rog gonna do? Same with Galahad, and he often take down a Tarancilot for me. Do I need a Lance? I have 3300 in Au, should I keep saving? If I want to climb through Expert to Masters, what Bots do I need in my hangar? Is this gonna be ultra meta and boring?
You'll see there are two Orkans that I'm not even using at the moment, using a Punisher Griff instead of a DB. I'm I playing too cautiously?
Please, help me design my hangar for the future and give me some pointers on what my play
Without focusing on bot set ups as much, the main issue you are going to be having is your average damage is too low. This tells me that you aren't getting in the top 3 spots enough which is going to be how you are going to climb the leagues consistently. You have enough bot and weapon choices at high enough levels to keep things from being boring and to be competitive. You just need to focus on higher damage set ups. One thing to note about meta setups, though, is that many of them are large enough to take an RDB hit and still be dangerous or nimble enough to avoid getting killed early by long/mid range opponents. It's one of the big reasons they are meta.
You can play with setups you like and work with your style of play, but you need to refocus more on damage and damage potential. Look to DB and PDB (and maybe even Thunder) type set ups as they have the most burst and/or prolonged sustained damage potential.
Lastly, you need to consider that your style of play might need to shift a bit to get maximize your damage. With the set ups you have, you need to make yourself a lower priority because you either have no shield (griffins) or low HP (Gala/Gary). Use cover as much as you possibly can for any set up. I say this for any bot set up. My tarancilot works best when I use cover because I save his front shields for when I need them most when I'm in range. I could run around like I'm invincible and it might work for a little while, but I want that bot to last me at least 3 minutes and be a consistent damage dealer, so I can't just blow my shields. I corner shoot until my target looks away. I stay behind someone else on my team who is a more tempting target. Things like that make you a lower priority for the enemy. Do that and the setups you use will last longer to deal more damage.
Edit: @nixpilot beat me to it mostly...
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Post by hi5 on Sept 12, 2017 13:12:07 GMT -5
In a very similar place as you OP - 3500 for a while now, 10-11 hangar (though your hangar is deeper), debating an Ancilot, etc, etc. Really starting to think I have to go all out for damage and focus less on beacons/winning (hate that I just typed that).
Nothing to contribute except to say I'll be lurking this post and soaking in the advice you get.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Sept 12, 2017 14:02:53 GMT -5
As other guys like Deadeye Dave and Nix have mentioned, you will need a Lancelot to advance and getting your over all Damage up is gonna be key to gaining league points win or loose. Nice to see no one below Master posting there opinions on this. That means the info your getting is from people who are actually where you want to be.
One thing I think all of us here at Master and above will agree on is after a while its not just your bots, its how you play them. Sometimes just having more situational awareness and being more patient and waiting for the reds to make the first mistake can make HUGE strides in your game and league points. It just takes time. Keep pluggin my friend. Youll get there. :-)
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Post by GuitarGuy on Sept 12, 2017 14:50:59 GMT -5
Something that could help you would be some sort of range bot. This would help your damage while allowing you to play back when needed so you can last longer in the game. Putting in your Carnage with the two Zues you have in place of the Gary rig I think could help you on the bigger maps.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 18:27:21 GMT -5
Something that could help you would be some sort of range bot. This would help your damage while allowing you to play back when needed so you can last longer in the game. Putting in your Carnage with the two Zues you have in place of the Gary rig I think could help you on the bigger maps. He has a range bot, RDB Griffin. |
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Post by noobcake on Sept 12, 2017 18:58:56 GMT -5
There is lots of solid advice so far in both bot selection and play tips.
For bots, I would try to get rid of the gareth and Galahad as soon as possible. The Lancelot is a solid bot but there are other options if you don't want to spend the gold. I would recommend an orkan Rog, thunder Carnage, or Zeus Carnage. Note that you might be light in plasma damage with your hangar. Play around with these options first since you don't need to spend anything. Keep track of what types of bots you have a hard time with and tailer your hangar to better deal with whatever you get killed by. In addition, be sure to be thoughtful about what bot you are dropping into a battle. It better be the best bot to counter whatever is on the field. Best of luck!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 19:03:25 GMT -5
As other guys like Deadeye Dave and Nix have mentioned, you will need a Lancelot to advance and getting your over all Damage up is gonna be key to gaining league points win or loose. Nice to see no one below Master posting there opinions on this. That means the info your getting is from people who are actually where you want to be. One thing I think all of us here at Master and above will agree on is after a while its not just your bots, its how you play them. Sometimes just having more situational awareness and being more patient and waiting for the reds to make the first mistake can make HUGE strides in your game and league points. It just takes time. Keep pluggin my friend. Youll get there. :-) I have to second the 2nd paragraph. I'm in Masters, and your bots levels and weapons are a bit higher than mine. My bots are mostly at level 9, with 1 at 10. Weapons are mostly at 11, with some at 10, and RDB set at mostly 12. Your high win % and low dmg output tells me your a beacon capper. If you squad with a clan and get it up to 80%+, then you can keep on doing what you're doing. If you're solo, it's gonna sting when you lose and place in the bottom and get -22. I was stuck too like you. I had to change my playstyle. I thought my playstyle was fine, but I had to be critical of it and understand that there are flaws. This made me a better player today. It's still not easy to move up, I mean I still have my off games and lose a lotta points. But that balances out with much better games in general, so I move up by placing high on both winning and losing teams. I don't know what my avg damage is because I keep trying fun setups, so it takes 50 games to flush them out. Most Masters and Champions have at least your hanger or max. And their avg damage is at least 530K. Since your War Robots is high, I suggest you try to achieve 500K and see how that works for you. OK, that's prolly a tall order for you, I just had another look at your damage number. Maybe shoot for 450K. Are you rage quitting or leaving maps before spawning? I would also suggest not leaving games if you are. Also, you need to be focused everytime you play. I tend to play much better when I'm in the zone, rather than not feeling it and just playing Leroy Jenkins style. One last thing when playing for damage and league positioning. This may not happen to you much since you're a beacon capper, but if it does. When you see the game about to end soon, maybe a match that lasts 3minutes due to being 4 capped, then you need to get in your damage. That means charging into battle and trying to use up all your bots before the timer runs out. I can't tell you how many times this has saved me, and I actually gained points in a blowout loss in a 3 min game. Sad to say, but sometimes there are less than 30K points separating 1st place from last. Or you get 650K damage and still place last. You really have to fight every match for points. |
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Post by WilsonK on Sept 12, 2017 23:28:41 GMT -5
I need help guys! Below is my current hangar. My rating drops and rises around this level (3500 Expert 3/2).
I just got a Rog 'cos it'll really suit my play style but I still need to level it. I also have: Bots: Leo 11 Leo 9 Carnage 10 Weapons: Thunder 10 & 9 Zeus 11 & 9 Tridents 2 at lvl9 Orkans 10 & 10 Tulus 2 at lvl 10 Pinatas 11 & 10 Aphids 9 & 8 Molots Mk1 3 at lvl 10 Molot Mk2 10 & 7 Hydra 2 at lvl11 Spirals 2 at Level 11 and extras of most stuff at low levels.
Other available bots are a Fujin, Rhino, Stalker and the Rog.
So this started with me wandering what I'll take out to put the Rog in.
My concerns are: Gary's shield seems really valuanble against Gekkos and Trebs - how is Rog gonna do? Same with Galahad, and he often take down a Tarancilot for me. Do I need a Lance? I have 3300 in Au, should I keep saving? If I want to climb through Expert to Masters, what Bots do I need in my hangar? Is this gonna be ultra meta and boring?
You'll see there are two Orkans that I'm not even using at the moment, using a Punisher Griff instead of a DB. I'm I playing too cautiously?
Please, help me design my hangar for the future and give me some pointers on what my play
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Post by TravLar on Sept 13, 2017 3:01:50 GMT -5
In a very similar place as you OP - 3500 for a while now, 10-11 hangar (though your hangar is deeper), debating an Ancilot, etc, etc. Really starting to think I have to go all out for damage and focus less on beacons/winning (hate that I just typed that). Nothing to contribute except to say I'll be lurking this post and soaking in the advice you get. Thanks hi5. Yeah, that Lance... Guess I'm gonna get one too... 2k au to go... Post here how its going for you ok? |
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Post by snk on Sept 13, 2017 7:53:04 GMT -5
There are few bots you should try, especially if you have them leveled in your storage.
Thunder Carnage
DB Griffin
Orkan Rogatka
Zeus Carnage
- may be PDB Griffin
The above bot should available to you without any upgrade or purchase, you should give them few days or weeks to try them out. I am in iOS Champions League, the bots above is very strong in the right hand. Even if the above bots not your taste, you will know their strengths and weakness, the experience will help you to counter them when you face them. Which you will see at least few of them every match.
note: I will replace the Gary and Galahad, but just my personal preference.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 8:35:59 GMT -5
Even if the above bots not your taste, you will know their strengths and weakness, the experience will help you to counter them when you face them. This is a very good - and often overlooked - reason for spending enough time with all more-or-less meta setups. Simple example is if you've played Tarans so much that you subconsciously count to 8 whenever you hear tarans firing - the difference between engaging an empty PDB griffin and one that has just finished reloading is whether your bot takes an extra 100k damage or not.
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Post by TravLar on Sept 15, 2017 7:22:56 GMT -5
Its a couple of days since I asked for help so I thought I'd give some feedback.
Firstly, thanks for all the advice and positive contribution!
1. I dropped Gareth. That was the most common piece of advice and that gave me space to build a higher damage hangar. 2. I re-loaded Galahad as a mini-DB. He definitely does more damage but I'm still adjusting to leaving the Anciles alone and I may change him back to plasma or Dropp him altogether. He is still a question mark for me. 3. Somebody suggested I replace Plasmahad with a Magnum Thunder Leo so because I kept Galahad but with splash, I put Leo in Gareth's spot. He's been awesome! Nobody gets off lightly and many go down. He's got no shields at all but dang, he can take a pounding! 4. Dropped Punisher Griff altogether and this affected my play a lot. He was my help out and impact the battle field bot. Originally I replaced him with a DB Griff but ultimately made him a 2nd Stuka bcs I was taking too much damage everytime I fired at somebody. With Stuka I can finish of that guy behind cover, wear down an Ancile and have a more tactical battle with another DB rather than just seeing who's gonna die first.
This all meant basically that I gained 2 Orkans, 2 Aphids, a Pinata, a Magnum and a Thunder at the expense of a Taran, 2 Punisher Mk1s and 2 Punisher Mk2s. A lot more hitting power. I've done over a mil damage twice in the last three days. My hangar HP went from 619 to 756.
My average damage is up 60k to 430k and that'll definitely get better. I had playing my other hangar down pat and I need to learn this one still.
Wanna hear something funny though? My rating dropped from 3516 then to 3497 now.... Go figure.
Still to come to act on the advise I got is to add the Rog when he's levelled and by that time I'll have saved enough for a Tarancilot. So my final hangar is probably gonna be: Orkan Rog, DB Griff Stuka Orkan Griff RDB Tarancilot
So my last purchase will be another Orkan 'cos this hangar needs six, What I'll do in the interim is to make the Stuka a Taran Stuka.
Any comments?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 7:47:14 GMT -5
1) Don't worry about the slight rating drop, it'll get better.
2) Orkans are the best investment atm. I'm working on levelling my 9th and 10th as those medium slots seem to be getting even more important.
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Post by seanh on Sept 15, 2017 7:48:59 GMT -5
First off well done on getting the stats up. They are key, the league numbers will come in due course.
Again, I certainly don’t have the answers but you mentioned that the Punisher had been working for you before. I took mine off my Griff as he was too squishy (he was lev 9), puns are a good option at the moment, if they were working for you stick them back, or as I did stuck them on the leo with the thunder. People get different mileage out of different builds, if your works, it works.
Only other point is I am turning into a big fan of zues’s, lots of griffins and dashes zipping about and you sit back at 600m and zap away. But again, its what works for you.
Good luck.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 9:29:09 GMT -5
1) Don't worry about the slight rating drop, it'll get better. 2) Orkans are the best investment atm. I'm working on levelling my 9th and 10th as those medium slots seem to be getting even more important. I only have 2 leveled Orkans on this account in Masters. I had to use 2 more at stock and split them, 11+5 and 11+5. That averages to a level 8 Orkan on my bot. Not too shabby, but takes a little longer to kill something. |
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