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Post by linearblade on Sept 10, 2017 23:07:36 GMT -5
If you're not planning on dropping cash into the gamble for the superchest, don't roll your keys. They're spent automatically at the end of the cycle with the key "rewards" removed. Since the chance of highrolling an equal or greater amount of keys is slim (on average, key prizes refund only 30-70% of what was spent), it's much better to just act as though the keys don't exist, so when the black market cycle ends, you only obtain the tangible prizes (gear/ag/au) for each chest the system rolls for you. Let's face it, unless you're dropping cash, the super chest is far and away from obtainable without the blessings of RNGesus, and the super chest is the only reason to actually roll chests before the cycle reset. Hfgl do we know factually that the key just arent silently added and then rolled again? I guess this would take a lot of testing , such as leaving 1 key in account or something and then getting 2 drops. or did you get a support message stating that keys are not included in the drop table?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 0:04:35 GMT -5
I got one from 100 keys also, however, a few posts in this thread (51 => 6 rewards, 1378 => 12) indicate otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 2:06:00 GMT -5
I got one from 100 keys also, however, a few posts in this thread (51 => 6 rewards, 1378 => 12) indicate otherwise. Every 1 key = 10 chest. (8 keys = 8 bronze chests) In my example the game opened 1 gold chest, 3 silver chests and 8 bronze chests. A total of 12 rewards. not sure I follow. 10 keys = 1 chest. Or does it round the last bit up so that 1 key = 10 keys = 1 chest? If not, your example should have been 7 bronze chests.
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Post by Tatamat on Sept 11, 2017 2:49:46 GMT -5
Tin, thanks for the hint. The compensation was definitely better then what I've drawn from the roulette. The only thing missing is that thrilling feeling that THIS TIME, there could be something really good
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Post by seanh on Sept 11, 2017 3:40:48 GMT -5
Tin, thanks for the hint. The compensation was definitely better then what I've drawn from the roulette. The only thing missing is that thrilling feeling that THIS TIME, there could be something really good That and the urge to immediately buy more keys to spin again for that thing you ‘almost’ got. This seemed to work for me. I had about 630 keys and I let it auto spin. Reward log didn’t show any keys and the number of prises equated to 6 silver and 3 bronze, netted me 1,021 Au and a punisher MKII. Can’t complain.
Will definitely do this for the all the green keys I earn over the next two weeks. Done spending RM for a while.
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Sept 17, 2017 19:06:06 GMT -5
I don't know what to do this time. I've been playing a LOT lately. I'm not going to make it to 1000 keys for a gold chest, though I could, but I don't wanna stress myself.
Anyway, I'll probably have about 700-800 for silver chests. Should o open them as I go and take the tokens as they come to get more spins? Or should I just save them all and let the pixies do it so I don't get any keys?
Last time I had like 230 left over and I got around around 90Au and a couple of Nashorns. But I also didn't get anything but Au and keys from the ones I opened before that. Same thing with last event and I spun about 30 silver chests then..
What do you guys think is the better option in my situation? Still better to save 'em? Or does it even matter?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 19:40:52 GMT -5
I don't know what to do this time. I've been playing a LOT lately. I'm not going to make it to 1000 keys for a gold chest, though I could, but I don't wanna stress myself. Anyway, I'll probably have about 700-800 for silver chests. Should o open them as I go and take the tokens as they come to get more spins? Or should I just save them all and let the pixies do it so I don't get any keys? Last time I had like 230 left over and I got around around 90Au and a couple of Nashorns. But I also didn't get anything but Au and keys from the ones I opened before that. Same thing with last event and I spun about 30 silver chests then.. What do you guys think is the better option in my situation? Still better to save 'em? Or does it even matter? It's ultimately up to you. If you're susceptible to gambling or the horse hockey visuals that "just missed" a good prize, save them. If you're rolling silver chests, a key payout will only give you a 30-50 key return on average. Gold chests are almost impossible to open for free. The most games you have to play to get one is 500, with the least (1st place wins every game) is 200, so at an average of 350 games, with games lasting 6 minutes on average, you'd have to play 35 hours within 2 weeks.
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Post by Poopface on Sept 18, 2017 9:18:33 GMT -5
For the red chests, I held out until the end and had them auto-rolled for me. There was nothing worth getting excited over that came from it.
For the green chests, I've been rolling Bronze chests as they've come. I've received a Patton, a few chests worth of small amounts of silver. The two best things I've received are 1k Gold (which is really nice for me) and a chest of 100 green keys. For the most part, though, I've been getting chests containing a smaller number of green keys (1, 2, 3, 5, or 6 inside). That is far and away the largest type of return for my rolls.
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Post by blackhand7 on Sept 18, 2017 9:53:28 GMT -5
If you're not planning on dropping cash into the gamble for the superchest, don't roll your keys. They're spent automatically at the end of the cycle with the key "rewards" removed. Since the chance of highrolling an equal or greater amount of keys is slim (on average, key prizes refund only 30-70% of what was spent), it's much better to just act as though the keys don't exist, so when the black market cycle ends, you only obtain the tangible prizes (gear/ag/au) for each chest the system rolls for you. Let's face it, unless you're dropping cash, the super chest is far and away from obtainable without the blessings of RNGesus, and the super chest is the only reason to actually roll chests before the cycle reset. Hfgl Thanks for this! For the last Black Market, I ended up with over 300 keys that I hadn't rolled, so I waited as you suggested. All of my prizes were gold, which didn't amount to a lot (about 200 or so), but I was definitely cool with that as any free gold is a win. I will wait it out from now on.
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 21, 2017 11:10:27 GMT -5
I'm already over 500 keys. Maybe I'll buy some 100 key packs to reach 1k keys for the end of the season, to have 1 gold chest autorolled for me...
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Post by MCYL on Sept 21, 2017 11:20:57 GMT -5
Doesn't work for me. If it ain't one of the 5 item that are BM only I'm better off getting 50% return in keys. Say I roll 100keys and it gives me 2500Au that's still 2500 AU I can't buy tempests or Dashies with. So what's the point?
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Post by xXrobotrippinXx on Sept 21, 2017 11:21:00 GMT -5
I'm already over 500 keys. Maybe I'll buy some 100 key packs to reach 1k keys for the end of the season, to have 1 gold chest autorolled for me... Don't do it! That's exactly why the BM was designed the way it was. To sucker you in to doing JUST that! It's what they want you to do. But if you insist, I guess let us know how it works out for ya.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 13:23:16 GMT -5
Doesn't work for me. If it ain't one of the 5 item that are BM only I'm better off getting 50% return in keys. Say I roll 100keys and it gives me 2500Au that's still 2500 AU I can't buy tempests or Dashies with. So what's the point? And if you win 50 keys for 100, then 30 keys for the next spin, then 50 gold, what's the point in spinning? Rest assured that the drop rate for the BM only items is pathetic, and you're more likely to cumulatively lose keys and end up with Gekkos/gold if you're grinding. Furthermore, its 7500 keys to the super chest, the return on spinning silver chests will never get you there without cash. To each their own though.
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Post by Deadeye on Sept 21, 2017 14:05:57 GMT -5
I don't know what to do this time. I've been playing a LOT lately. I'm not going to make it to 1000 keys for a gold chest, though I could, but I don't wanna stress myself. Anyway, I'll probably have about 700-800 for silver chests. Should o open them as I go and take the tokens as they come to get more spins? Or should I just save them all and let the pixies do it so I don't get any keys? Last time I had like 230 left over and I got around around 90Au and a couple of Nashorns. But I also didn't get anything but Au and keys from the ones I opened before that. Same thing with last event and I spun about 30 silver chests then.. What do you guys think is the better option in my situation? Still better to save 'em? Or does it even matter? It's ultimately up to you. If you're susceptible to gambling or the horse hockey visuals that "just missed" a good prize, save them. If you're rolling silver chests, a key payout will only give you a 30-50 key return on average. Gold chests are almost impossible to open for free. The most games you have to play to get one is 500, with the least (1st place wins every game) is 200, so at an average of 350 games, with games lasting 6 minutes on average, you'd have to play 35 hours within 2 weeks. Actually, isn't the most games you would have play 1000? I thought the losing team bottom 3 only got 1 key. That's a quarter of the players walking away with 1 lonely key. Certainly this is geared toward purchasing keys.
Sorry, I'm not trying to be pedantic (if, in fact, I am right which I'm not sure of). It just further illustrates the difficulties of getting a gold chest for free.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2017 14:09:57 GMT -5
Most of the players that come to these forums are above average at worst. Trying not to be too much of a downer as I'm already super critical of other aspects of what's going on right now.
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 21, 2017 17:22:09 GMT -5
Don't do it! That's exactly why the BM was designed the way it was. To sucker you in to doing JUST that! It's what they want you to do. No, I'm pretty sure only a small minority will buy keys to have them auto-opened at the end of the season Well, it's for my fb gameroom account that could use most of the gold items around. So I guess the chance is more like 50-50 that I get something useful (which would include gold). Even though I got some stuff from some chests I rolled, I could definately use gold for another Lance and even more Orkans. (I won some Dashs and a Doc, so theoretically I could build a hangar that uses 14 medium weapons. And 8 of those would probably be Orkans.) Of course, it could be a Gepard or another Galahad. But if I'm 200 keys short in the end, I figure my chances to get something useful will be much better if I spend those 2 bucks. It's a gamble nevertheless, but it's not as if I was rolling hundrets of dollars.
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Post by MCYL on Sept 21, 2017 23:22:50 GMT -5
Doesn't work for me. If it ain't one of the 5 item that are BM only I'm better off getting 50% return in keys. Say I roll 100keys and it gives me 2500Au that's still 2500 AU I can't buy tempests or Dashies with. So what's the point? And if you win 50 keys for 100, then 30 keys for the next spin, then 50 gold, what's the point in spinning? Rest assured that the drop rate for the BM only items is pathetic, and you're more likely to cumulatively lose keys and end up with Gekkos/gold if you're grinding. Furthermore, its 7500 keys to the super chest, the return on spinning silver chests will never get you there without cash. To each their own though. Yeah for me currently gekkos are a loss, gold is a loss, lancelots are a loss, only thing I don't have are BM only items. And arguably I don't even need them as I'm still winning and moving up the leagues in spite of dash bots. I have a somewhat excessive reliance on 3 things only that no amount of tokens can give. And yes the superchests are there to essentially be bought.
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Post by WilsonK on Sept 21, 2017 23:46:34 GMT -5
I'm already over 500 keys. Maybe I'll buy some 100 key packs to reach 1k keys for the end of the season, to have 1 gold chest autorolled for me... IMO, not gonna be worth it. If you're gonna spend, go big and roll tons of gold chests. If you're just gonna top up and have BM autoroll ONE gold chest for you, and if you get something that you already have or just simply silver.. then bummer.. I'd take the chances of 9 Silver Chests vs. 1 Gold Chest.
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 22, 2017 6:20:57 GMT -5
I did a significant number of rolls. The return from 45 silver chests was abysmal compared to the return from gold chests.
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Post by frunobulax on Sept 25, 2017 17:33:24 GMT -5
So, I had the computer auto-roll for me 1152 keys. I got 600 gold (from a gold chest apparently), 60 gold (from a silver chest) and the usual crap (I think twice 1 gold, and a Molot Mk2 - yeah!) from the bronze chests, but no keys. So I think it's safe to say that keys are removed for these final rolls. And as keys are very likely to be less than the keys you enter, that makes the end-of-season return slightly better than if you roll it regularly.
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Post by ma'ElKoth on Dec 21, 2017 12:03:27 GMT -5
Sorry for necroposting, but it did not seem to make sense to create a new thread for this ...
Are superchests auto-spun as well at end of BM cycle? Eg. if you got 7500 keys and let them auto-spin these, will they at the end open the superchest as well or would that get lost?
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Post by Nitro on Dec 21, 2017 13:46:37 GMT -5
Since the release of the ads, the superchest has become very obtainable for those who are willing to grind for it instead of putting out RM to get it. I already got a superchest this BM Season and I'm already very close to the 2nd superchest without spending a penny. The best part is that bronze chests do tend to give you a return of keys like 5-7 And occasionally 9 or 20. Getting these for free along with additional progress being added to your superchest meter, that makes bronze chests worthwhile (also recently got lucky and rolled 1000 gold from a free bronze chest, so it's possible)
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Post by devlonmcnabb on Dec 21, 2017 16:23:20 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this question has been answers or not but I could not find it. Lets say, you were close to a super chest before the event ended and the event did end and the remaining keys that was spun for you got you qualified for the super chest. Would the system spin the superchest or not. I know it would be hard to figure out if it happened or not but if anyone knows please do tell me.
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Post by nocluevok on Dec 21, 2017 23:15:39 GMT -5
Since the release of the ads, the superchest has become very obtainable for those who are willing to grind for it instead of putting out RM to get it. I already got a superchest this BM Season and I'm already very close to the 2nd superchest without spending a penny. The best part is that bronze chests do tend to give you a return of keys like 5-7 And occasionally 9 or 20. Getting these for free along with additional progress being added to your superchest meter, that makes bronze chests worthwhile (also recently got lucky and rolled 1000 gold from a free bronze chest, so it's possible) Same here. Going to easily make it to a second superchest. Got a Fury on the first one.
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Post by moses on Dec 21, 2017 23:25:30 GMT -5
Since the release of the ads, the superchest has become very obtainable for those who are willing to grind for it instead of putting out RM to get it. I already got a superchest this BM Season and I'm already very close to the 2nd superchest without spending a penny. The best part is that bronze chests do tend to give you a return of keys like 5-7 And occasionally 9 or 20. Getting these for free along with additional progress being added to your superchest meter, that makes bronze chests worthwhile (also recently got lucky and rolled 1000 gold from a free bronze chest, so it's possible) Yes, funny that now with the free bronze from ads I actually hope to get keys.
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Post by Gdu4ever on Dec 22, 2017 1:35:38 GMT -5
I hope Pix does not see this. It won't be difficult for them to recode the chest mechanism during end of cycles.
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Post by ma'ElKoth on Dec 22, 2017 2:20:33 GMT -5
Sorry for necroposting, but it did not seem to make sense to create a new thread for this ... Are superchests auto-spun as well at end of BM cycle? Eg. if you got 7500 keys and let them auto-spin these, will they at the end open the superchest as well or would that get lost? I'm not sure if this question has been answers or not but I could not find it. Lets say, you were close to a super chest before the event ended and the event did end and the remaining keys that was spun for you got you qualified for the super chest. Would the system spin the superchest or not. I know it would be hard to figure out if it happened or not but if anyone knows please do tell me. Yes, that's the question why I had revived this old thread. Had no intention to revive it in order to provide yet another thread for the same talk about superchests with free ads.
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Post by xsnow on Dec 22, 2017 2:45:36 GMT -5
Opened 3 superchests this event, loving the ads
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Post by ma'ElKoth on Jan 1, 2018 3:10:06 GMT -5
So, to finally answer the question about whether a superchest is autospun - no, it is not. If your remaining keys at the end of BM cycle fill a superchest and you let these autospin, you loose effectively the superchest.
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Post by moses on Jan 1, 2018 3:30:26 GMT -5
So, to finally answer the question about whether a superchest is autospun - no, it is not. If your remaining keys at the end of BM cycle fill a superchest and you let these autospin, you loose effectively the superchest. That was obvious... I hope you didn’t do it as an experiment...
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