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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jan 2, 2017 0:28:46 GMT -5
Have you guys ever been annoyed by Aphids before, or even pissed (for those all heavy bot hangars)? I definitely have been annoyed really bad by them, especially if they are in a Gepard
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Jan 2, 2017 0:35:52 GMT -5
Pretty sure everyone has. There have been way too many aphid threads so ill juat say this, hopefully they get nerfed with the next update.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Jan 2, 2017 1:37:04 GMT -5
I think Aphids have been nerfed already.
If moving perpendicular to the flight path of an incoming Aphid salvo a my Patton going 40KPH sees zero damage from Aphids ---- moving backwards in the same Patton gets me hit by a full salvo (just as bad as standing still). In my Rhino under Assault mode speed I see no damage traveling perpendicular and mostly no damage whenever the shield is up. My Griffin moving at 40KPH gets maybe 1 missile landing if going perpendicular, but significant damage otherwise.
Overall, I don't see Aphids as much of problem now --- I mean if a Rhino and Griffin can escape major damage by just skillful moving.........
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jan 2, 2017 1:48:52 GMT -5
I think Aphids have been nerfed already. If moving perpendicular to the flight path of an incoming Aphid salvo a my Patton going 40KPH sees zero damage from Aphids ---- moving backwards in the same Patton gets me hit by a full salvo (just as bad as standing still). In my Rhino under Assault mode speed I see no damage traveling perpendicular and mostly no damage whenever the shield is up. My Griffin moving at 40KPH gets maybe 1 missile landing if going perpendicular, but significant damage otherwise. Overall, I don't see Aphids as much of problem now --- I mean if a Rhino and Griffin can escape major damage by just skillful moving......... This is only the case when you are only facing off against the Aphid user, you also have enemies in a real situation and you dont really have the time to start walking sideways, Aphids IMO still need and a nerf and are getting a nerf
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Jan 2, 2017 2:22:34 GMT -5
I think Aphids have been nerfed already. If moving perpendicular to the flight path of an incoming Aphid salvo a my Patton going 40KPH sees zero damage from Aphids ---- moving backwards in the same Patton gets me hit by a full salvo (just as bad as standing still). In my Rhino under Assault mode speed I see no damage traveling perpendicular and mostly no damage whenever the shield is up. My Griffin moving at 40KPH gets maybe 1 missile landing if going perpendicular, but significant damage otherwise. Overall, I don't see Aphids as much of problem now --- I mean if a Rhino and Griffin can escape major damage by just skillful moving......... This is only the case when you are only facing off against the Aphid user, you also have enemies in a real situation and you dont really have the time to start walking sideways, Aphids IMO still need and a nerf and are getting a nerf This nerf is recent. Being able to completely dodge Aphids by side stepping them at just 40KPH is a big nerf. I don't use my Lancelots (waiting for the Heavy Mot and just upgrading them in the meantime) and my slowest bot is my walking speed Rhino at 25KPH. For me, Aphid checkers are somewhat defenseless bots, as I know they will miss me by just a quick sidestep (it doesn't take much room - just have you legs moving in that direction already). As far as other red bots around, I use 2 Plasma Gals as power runners and a high priority bot hunter, so it's the norm to be in red territory while hunting Aphid chuckers or Trident/Zeus Furies (which I do as a priority so my slow blue heavies - the Leos and Lancelots usually) can more easily advance without stalling. So I fight multiple bots quite regularly and if I can kill one Aphid Patton or one Trident Fury, then that bot has done its job and I'm back to spawn.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jan 2, 2017 2:34:36 GMT -5
Its also because your Patton has a smaller surface area compared to many other heavies, this is why heavies take so much damage, they are slow big targets that are prime Aphid targets, and on Gold, heavies are basically all you see other than the Carnage and Galahad and the occasional Stalker or Fujin. This nerf is to make it more fair to heavies that cant sidestep Aphids as well as mediums, I sidestep Aphids most of the time but end up taking 20k-30k damage depending on when the damage wants he to take a lot of damage or not, even at 20k damage a volley, and one every 9 seconds, you can take out a level 6 Griffin in about 4.5 volleys (this is if he sidesteps EVERY volley and takes only 20k damage, the Griffin will likely die much quicker due to randomness of Aphids), you can take out a level 12 one in about 8, and you wont be able to sidestep every volley due to the situation of most battles TBH Spirals/Hydras and Aphids were a bad idea to start with
They either need better counters to Aphids other than hugging walls or just straight up nerf them, plus it might not even made been a nerf, maybe it was just people finding out about a way to decrease damage dealt by Aphids and people were calling it a nerf for some reason
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Jan 2, 2017 3:00:38 GMT -5
I dont think that the aphids should be sidesteppable by heavy bots, as aphids are intended to be more effective against large bots. What i believe should happen is either a damage nerf or a reload time nerf, just so pinatas are actually taken into consideration again, and not made almost redundant like they are currently.
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Jan 2, 2017 3:11:50 GMT -5
I just dislike it when I am in powerplant(having buildings in the way of sidestepping sucks) or more often, is engaged with another bot.
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Post by Prowler on Jan 2, 2017 4:55:35 GMT -5
I run all heavies. It's mildly annoying. I don't want them nerfed though. I run aphids on a leo.... Plus what would happen to all those poor little gepard pilots? They would switch back to magnums
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 2, 2017 5:32:51 GMT -5
Its also because your Patton has a smaller surface area compared to many other heavies MATHEMATICALLY TRIGGERED; surface area, no matter how much it should be the case, does not determine the hitbox. You are correct in saying that the hitbox is smaller than heavies', but no it is not the surface area that makes the Patton less hit-able.
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Post by osang on Jan 2, 2017 7:00:03 GMT -5
I run all heavies. It's mildly annoying. I don't want them nerfed though. I run aphids on a leo.... Plus what would happen to all those poor little gepard pilots? They will disappear, and back to low bronze for gold farming.
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Post by osang on Jan 2, 2017 7:06:55 GMT -5
I run all heavies. It's mildly annoying. I don't want them nerfed though. I run aphids on a leo.... Plus what would happen to all those poor little gepard pilots? They would switch back to magnums Against shield bots, Gepard can't survive.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jan 2, 2017 8:31:48 GMT -5
Its also because your Patton has a smaller surface area compared to many other heavies MATHEMATICALLY TRIGGERED; surface area, no matter how much it should be the case, does not determine the hitbox. You are correct in saying that the hitbox is smaller than heavies', but no it is not the surface area that makes the Patton less hit-able.Typical, Cossacks are easily triggered due to their low health and small SURFACE AREA , IDK what that even means
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 2, 2017 8:34:00 GMT -5
MATHEMATICALLY TRIGGERED; surface area, no matter how much it should be the case, does not determine the hitbox. You are correct in saying that the hitbox is smaller than heavies', but no it is not the surface area that makes the Patton less hit-able.Typical, Cossacks are easily triggered due to their low health and small SURFACE AREA , IDK what that even means u hv dth wsh m9?
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Jan 2, 2017 9:10:30 GMT -5
Typical, Cossacks are easily triggered due to their low health and small SURFACE AREA , IDK what that even means u hv dth wsh m9? fite me 10v10 iwr m8
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Post by sochilli (Saltesers) on Jan 2, 2017 9:28:38 GMT -5
I wld m7 u bet imma shrtfrnt u lk putin m7
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Post by Cyklown on Jan 2, 2017 10:52:42 GMT -5
I run all heavies. It's mildly annoying. I don't want them nerfed though. I run aphids on a leo.... Plus what would happen to all those poor little gepard pilots? They would switch back to magnums Except magnum Geps aren't viable once heavies/Plasmahads come into their own. It's a feast/famine situation. Either they're utterly obscene on Powerplant or they're garbage just about everywhere else.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2017 11:14:16 GMT -5
I dont think that the aphids should be sidesteppable by heavy bots, as aphids are intended to be more effective against large bots. What i believe should happen is either a damage nerf or a reload time nerf, just so pinatas are actually taken into consideration again, and not made almost redundant like they are currently. Exactly. But none of my medium bots without shields can dodge aphids without getting 1/3 of their health taken out.
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Post by ᕲΣΣᕲƧ on Jan 2, 2017 12:36:30 GMT -5
I bought a rog. Later that same day rog was nerfed. I just finished upgrading 3 aphids to lvl 12. If they get nerfed too right after being maxed I will be quite annoyed. I understand the need for balancing the game but downgrading premium items doesn't seem to be the way to win over players or encourage them to spend money. Why should I risk real money on something that may be significantly weaker in only a few days?
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Post by Cyklown on Jan 2, 2017 17:15:33 GMT -5
I bought a rog. Later that same day rog was nerfed. I just finished upgrading 3 aphids to lvl 12. If they get nerfed too right after being maxed I will be quite annoyed. I understand the need for balancing the game but downgrading premium items doesn't seem to be the way to win over players or encourage them to spend money. Why should I risk real money on something that may be significantly weaker in only a few days? I hear you there- no one wants to feel like they're throwing money away. That being said, you also have to remember that it's their job to keep the game fun and balanced. Aphids will still be great on Powerplant and Rogs are still solid from high silver through low gold - and they are testing a buff. It sucks, but the game does need to be healthy. Chasing the OP thing and throwing money at it is a distinct gamble.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Jan 2, 2017 21:31:00 GMT -5
Aphids are gold weapons; the should be better than silver weapons. Just like gep is a gold bot - it should be worth the gold expense. If you don't like facing them 'cause they're 'too pwoerfu', save up and get one of your own. a Gephid (Gep + Aphid, in case you missed it, lol), cost 3450 gold. It SHOULD kick botbutt. Period. And, like earlier posts have said, phids are near useless against a skilled pilot in a small or quick medium bot. They are sidestepped quite easily. Get out of your leos and grifts and tashas, get yourself a good fast bot, learn how to knife fight and let's dance!
quick follow up, I only have 1 gephid. I prefer a mix of bots in both silver and low-mid gold tiers. More fun to mix it up than just run GepRog hangers in silver and Griffinos in gold.
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Post by SGT D00M! on Jan 2, 2017 21:37:03 GMT -5
As a light bot pilot is Last Stand..the aphid craze is the best thing that ever happened. Every less maggep in a clubber hangar is good for me since I dodge aphids with the greatest of ease.
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Post by zman on Jan 2, 2017 22:00:44 GMT -5
They can be annoying. Up in gold I was running an Aphid Gep and it was solid, but since they toned them down just a touch I think they are still super solid, but not obscene. I mean, no more then the Thunder or the Orkan or the Taran etc.
IMO them being good does incentivized light and medium bots and energy shields which need a bit of a boost compared to the plethora of Orkans and Shield bots.
I think the new balance patch that is incoming is going to be good and an improvement.
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Post by mpower on Jan 2, 2017 23:38:26 GMT -5
Aphids are gold weapons; the should be better than silver weapons. Just like gep is a gold bot - it should be worth the gold expense. If you don't like facing them 'cause they're 'too pwoerfu', save up and get one of your own. a Gephid (Gep + Aphid, in case you missed it, lol), cost 3450 gold. It SHOULD kick botbutt. Period. And, like earlier posts have said, phids are near useless against a skilled pilot in a small or quick medium bot. They are sidestepped quite easily. Get out of your leos and grifts and tashas, get yourself a good fast bot, learn how to knife fight and let's dance! quick follow up, I only have 1 gephid. I prefer a mix of bots in both silver and low-mid gold tiers. More fun to mix it up than just run GepRog hangers in silver and Griffinos in gold. Agreed with what you said. Aphids are gold weapons. People either spend real money or farm gold to get it. If we start nerfing it weapons people did not prefer or like Aphids, this game would soon turn dull. Yes games are supposed to be fun. I run into seal clubbers fully decked out Geps with Level 10-12 Weapons all the time and these matches usually last about 60 secs. Do I think Geps should be nerfed simply because it is unfair to me ? No. It just means I have to either purchase silver with real money or farm silver and get my weapons to Level 12 quickly or shell out real money or farm Gold to buy Geps and hit back. If we start nerfing weapons and bots each time a select group didn't like it or felt it was unfair to them, we can pretty much nerf the entire game because someone has something to say about every weapon and every bot. Disclaimer: I do own Aphids. I run into players with Aphids and they wiped me out good. I also run into players who rush me with Tarans, Mags, Orkans, Pinatas, etc. some had Silver Weapons and kill me good simply because they know how to use their bots, weapons and employ strategies more effectively than I did. It is a Gold weapon for a reason otherwise it will be just like any other weapons that can be purchased with WSP or Silver. Pardon my 2 cents opinion.
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jan 3, 2017 3:26:54 GMT -5
They can be annoying. Up in gold I was running an Aphid Gep and it was solid, but since they toned them down just a touch I think they are still super solid, but not obscene. I mean, no more then the Thunder or the Orkan or the Taran etc. IMO them being good does incentivized light and medium bots and energy shields which need a bit of a boost compared to the plethora of Orkans and Shield bots. I think the new balance patch that is incoming is going to be good and an improvement. Devs said the new balance patch would nerf Aphids
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jan 3, 2017 3:40:08 GMT -5
Orkans weakness = Short range, small splash radius and long reload Zeus weakness = Useless against physical shields Gekko weakness = Takes a while to do moderate damage, makes you easier to see for other long rangers Ancile weakness = Useless against plasma, regen is very slow
Aphids weakness = Weak against fast bots (barely seen in Gold), damage can be reduced (somewhat) by walking horizontally to the Aphid user Aphid strength = Very high damage against heavies, short reload time, can hit through walls (sometimes), puts enemies in cover, can shoot from behind cover (leaving user unharmed for the most part), can be put on a Gepard and you can run around and avoid death a lot of times
Basically the weaknesses to the Aphids can be countered basically by moving up to Gold, its strengths outnumber its weaknesses
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Post by osang on Jan 3, 2017 5:17:22 GMT -5
This game is becoming dull because of too many complains. It should be noted that this is a gold weapon and leveling up takes a lot of time. I don't complain if I died with Red's aphids because I'm using the Aphids too. If Aphids is a workshop points, so be it.
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Post by Deadalready on Jan 3, 2017 6:21:19 GMT -5
I think it's ridiculous that any weapon can do this much damage without the user putting themselves at risk. It is essentially a "win button", low skill, high damage, auto targeting and safe. The mechanics alone put it far above the curve of any other weapons at the moment, the damage is extreme for the risk. I think it's fair that any gold item should be better than silver, what is ridiculous is any player who thinks that just because they premium paid for something, that it should entitle them to win without trying.
I think this video is pretty damn relative to the playground of Walking War Robots
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Post by Tyrannosaurus on Jan 3, 2017 6:49:37 GMT -5
I think it's ridiculous that any weapon can do this much damage without the user putting themselves at risk. It is essentially a "win button", low skill, high damage, auto targeting and safe. The mechanics alone put it far above the curve of any other weapons at the moment, the damage is extreme for the risk. I think it's fair that any gold item should be better than silver, what is ridiculous is any player who thinks that just because they premium paid for something, that it should entitle them to win without trying. I think this video is pretty damn relative to the playground of Walking War Robots I completely agree with you, Gepard and Patton Aphids just sit behind cover, jump out and shoot and let the health bar drop drastically without them taking damage, Aphids should be a weapon that actually puts you at risk, they either have to decrease the damage so Aphid users have to jump out more, the amount of complaints about Aphids after the update basically means Aphids are getting a nerf, so dont worry, Devs said they are nerfing them in next update anyways, but we need to see WHAT they nerf
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Post by whitecrow666 on Jan 3, 2017 6:55:23 GMT -5
Ja Aphids are a joke.
I tried useing my Gareth to combat them and even with it's speed it gets wrecked.
I been Running a Carnage Thunder which has very Very high success rate hunting Aphid users down killing them.
It's best bot out there to take them out. Inless it's a leo Thunder Aphid.
But you kill there patton Aphids bot they bring out there secound patton Aphids bot.
You kill that then they being out the Aphids stalkers.
Then the Aphid Leo and then a Aphid Rhino or Griffin.
I seen people running 4 Aphids bots in hangers due to how powerfull they are.
Inless i run 4 Thunder Carnages to counter them most my bots are useless to counter Aphids.
If they don't nerf Aphids .
in gone add 1 more Thunder carnage to my hanger hunt you down kill you Aphids users more and more.
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