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Post by infraviolet on Jun 27, 2017 11:57:50 GMT -5
Just curious. Or would it be better to keep a hangar with both rockets and energy weapons?
I've been considering it as an option, but at the same time it could be less favorable if you're up against Carnages and Fujins, with their built-in Anciles.
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Post by Russel on Jun 27, 2017 12:07:17 GMT -5
For the "Most effective hangar in terms of DPS\League points" you should consult @mijafor the "Most effective hangar in terms of DPS\League points" you should consult mijapi300My fun hangar is:
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Post by Russel on Jun 27, 2017 12:07:58 GMT -5
But I really look forward replacing one of the rocket bots (not sure which one yet) with the Butch.
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Post by CrownBlack on Jun 27, 2017 12:10:12 GMT -5
Just curious. Or would it be better to keep a hangar with both rockets and energy weapons? I've been considering it as an option, but at the same time it could be less favorable if you're up against Carnages and Fujins, with their built-in Anciles. Well I would tell you to avoid anything with an ancile or just help blow the shield so a teammate can do some damage. I don't see anything wrong with giving it a try if you have enough orks/tulus etc. If I had time I would get enough upgraded and give it a go myself. A taran Griff just seems squishy and you have to stay exposed to cause damage vs hit and run of rockets.
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Post by bugdoc on Jun 27, 2017 12:14:56 GMT -5
I run a rocket-heavy hanger most of the time. I always have a TT Fury, DB Griff, and RDB Griff in the lineup. Only permanent energy bot is a Taran Ancilot. My fifth slot is my experimental slot, but that frequently has a Orkan Rog or DB Galahad in it, so I have 4 rocket bots a good deal of the time.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 27, 2017 12:27:19 GMT -5
Thanks for the mention Russel. My current hangar on my Champion account is: Lancelot - Thunder/Orkan (I often switch this with Ancile depending on my mood) Carnage - Thunder (leveling up Zeus for this as well and will switch out depending on mood) Galahad - Plasma Griffin - Tulu/Pin Griffin - Orkan/Piñata If I'm looking strictly to be effective and win games, my Lance will have an Ancile hat, and my Carnage will be Thunder. When I'm looking for more fun, my Lance has a Thunder cap and my Carnage is Zeus. As you can see, I have a heavy rocket hangar, and my only Plasma bot is one that is at the mercy of the field (lots of rockets means it's useless). When I know there will be lots of Anciles in the field, I use my thunder Carnage to break bubbles for my teammates. If I happen to be in something with rockets, I'll stick with teammates that also have rockets and together we can break through Ancile shields usually. While I believe Plasma does still have its place, if you're looking for more damage, rockets are the way to go right now. The only Plasma loadout that does comparable damage and can still be effective is the PDB Griff (I don't have one because I personally don't like it). You have to be exposed for 7-10 seconds to use, and I don't think a Griffin should ever be exposed for that long at a time. Which is another benefit of rockets, they do burst damage that allows you to get back to cover as quickly as possible. It's kind of funny if you think about it - the abundance of rockets creates the need for consistent cover and short exposure times. And the use of rockets gives you the ability to move from cover to cover quickly with short exposure windows. It's like a perpetual cause and effect if you think about it. At the end of the day, it truly depends on your own play style. If you're better with Plasma, you should be using more Plasma. If you're better with rockets, you should be using rockets. Both are viable. I believe rockets have higher DPS potential, but they're also easy to miss with if you aren't good with them.
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RagingFire
GI. Patton
Not again! (gets put on canyon and shot to death by trebs)
Posts: 127
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Pilot name: RagingFire
Platform: iOS
Clan: WiKalibur
League: Gold
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Jesse
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Post by RagingFire on Jun 27, 2017 12:35:20 GMT -5
I use currently if I want to really get things done, pdb griff, rdb griff, db griff, and piñata aphid Jesse as capper
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Post by drake1588 on Jun 27, 2017 12:39:33 GMT -5
IV it's totally possible to have an all rocket hangar that is effective. My best tip there is to use your rockets as a signal to friendlies that you are on board with melting an ancile and the bot beneath it by firing a single salvo to get things started. Probably 90% of players at our tier pick up on the signal and are eager to help. They're sitting there thinking the same thing you are - "crap, an ancile" but as soon as it starts taking any damage, that thought quickly turns to "FREE BUCKET OF SILVER! DOGPILE!!!"
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Post by infraviolet on Jun 27, 2017 14:27:22 GMT -5
IV it's totally possible to have an all rocket hangar that is effective. My best tip there is to use your rockets as a signal to friendlies that you are on board with melting an ancile and the bot beneath it by firing a single salvo to get things started. Probably 90% of players at our tier pick up on the signal and are eager to help. They're sitting there thinking the same thing you are - "crap, an ancile" but as soon as it starts taking any damage, that thought quickly turns to "FREE BUCKET OF SILVER! DOGPILE!!!" True. No bot is invincible, not even an Ancilot. It's just with Anciles the amount of damage they take is more obvious, since there's no HP meter shown for physical shields. Rock, paper, scissors though...etc. But I enjoy a good rocket party regardless.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 27, 2017 16:29:28 GMT -5
Eww, no. As effective as rockets of all stripes can be, plasma has its place firmly in this meta.
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Post by drake1588 on Jun 27, 2017 17:13:35 GMT -5
IV it's totally possible to have an all rocket hangar that is effective. My best tip there is to use your rockets as a signal to friendlies that you are on board with melting an ancile and the bot beneath it by firing a single salvo to get things started. Probably 90% of players at our tier pick up on the signal and are eager to help. They're sitting there thinking the same thing you are - "crap, an ancile" but as soon as it starts taking any damage, that thought quickly turns to "FREE BUCKET OF SILVER! DOGPILE!!!" True. No bot is invincible, not even an Ancilot. It's just with Anciles the amount of damage they take is more obvious, since there's no HP meter shown for physical shields. Rock, paper, scissors though...etc. But I enjoy a good rocket party regardless. What Thunderkiss said is valid, though. I would personally keep at least one plasma bot to have it as a backup scissor against the ancile bot papers, but I still think as *one* player, you could run a full rocket hangar and do fine. It's not the kind of thing that i would advise for most people, but we've squadded and I've seen you play, so I know you know how to effectively team up with other rocket users.
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Post by moody on Jun 27, 2017 18:46:05 GMT -5
I run very rocket heavy.
I have a plasma griffin but quite often it is subbed for a thunder carnage. Between them they are the most likely bot to be killed without doing anything useful - but also the most likely bot to surprise and do massive amounts of damage. (e.g. in a game yesterday on moon, first bot plasma griff - killed a thunder carnage, took red side beacon, killed a tulu fujin, took red home beacon then did significant damage to a lancelot and a leo while retreating through centre beacon before dying).
RDB DB Ork Ancil Lancelot Ork Rogatka Plasma griff / Thunder carnage.
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Jun 27, 2017 18:55:39 GMT -5
Just curious. Or would it be better to keep a hangar with both rockets and energy weapons? I've been considering it as an option, but at the same time it could be less favorable if you're up against Carnages and Fujins, with their built-in Anciles. I personally wouldn't. This is a big game of papers, scissors, rock... why only have rock in your arsenal? Stack your hangar with 1. Stuff that's the strongest right now and 2. Stuff that counters the stuff in 1.
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Post by infraviolet on Jun 27, 2017 20:12:04 GMT -5
I've decided to keep my hangar a hybrid of rocket and energy weapons. One Zeus mid-ranger, one rocket mid-ranger, one plasma knifer, and two rocket knifers. More versatility in battle that way I think.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 27, 2017 20:12:16 GMT -5
Just curious. Or would it be better to keep a hangar with both rockets and energy weapons? I've been considering it as an option, but at the same time it could be less favorable if you're up against Carnages and Fujins, with their built-in Anciles. It really isn't necessary to be black and white about it. There are a wide variety of factors to consider when choosing hangar load-out, and I change mine up frequently. It keeps things more interesting, and in my experience, it helps a pilot become familiar with tactics for each mech and avoid getting 'rusty' with some of them. How's this for a rocket hangar: Jesse - quad aphids Jesse - quad pins Fury - triple trident Doc - quad tulumbas Lance - ancile, orkans = Fun = Fierce Or this: Jesse - quad aphids Jesse - quad aphids Griffin - spiral/hydra Rog - dual tulumbas Carnage - tridents = pee pants laughing = formidable
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Post by drake1588 on Jun 27, 2017 20:13:25 GMT -5
BLASPHEMY! ROCK ALWAYS WINS.
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Post by moody on Jun 27, 2017 20:21:53 GMT -5
Just curious. Or would it be better to keep a hangar with both rockets and energy weapons? I've been considering it as an option, but at the same time it could be less favorable if you're up against Carnages and Fujins, with their built-in Anciles. I personally wouldn't. This is a big game of papers, scissors, rock... why only have rock in your arsenal? Stack your hangar with 1. Stuff that's the strongest right now and 2. Stuff that counters the stuff in 1. Because (quite seriously) rock can beat anything. (or have some viability to).
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Jun 27, 2017 20:26:14 GMT -5
I personally wouldn't. This is a big game of papers, scissors, rock... why only have rock in your arsenal? Stack your hangar with 1. Stuff that's the strongest right now and 2. Stuff that counters the stuff in 1. Because (quite seriously) rock can beat anything. (or have some viability to). Nah there is always a Paper out there among the Scissors! Look at all the Zues Carnages running around!
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Post by moody on Jun 27, 2017 20:29:12 GMT -5
Because (quite seriously) rock can beat anything. (or have some viability to). Nah there is always a Paper out there among the Scissors! Look at all the Zues Carnages running around! Rockets can kill Zeus Carnage Comparitive to (for example) the 'thunder carnage (paper) vs plasma galahad (scissors)' - galahad always wins. Rock has viability everywhere.
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Post by FlashAhAhh on Jun 27, 2017 20:36:00 GMT -5
Nah there is always a Paper out there among the Scissors! Look at all the Zues Carnages running around! Rockets can kill Zeus Carnage Comparitive to (for example) the 'thunder carnage (paper) vs plasma galahad (scissors)' - galahad always wins. Rock has viability everywhere. That's not comparative You are comparing a category (All bots with Rockets) with a build (Plasma Galahad). Zeus Carny eats RDBs and is massively strong right now simply because it is a good counter to a lot of the missile bots out there now. It was just an example, don't get too hung up on it. I was most certainly never implying Zues Carnage is immune to missiles EVERYTHING has it's counter, it's a good thing to remember when building your hangar.
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Post by moody on Jun 27, 2017 20:53:55 GMT -5
Rockets can kill Zeus Carnage Comparitive to (for example) the 'thunder carnage (paper) vs plasma galahad (scissors)' - galahad always wins. Rock has viability everywhere. That's not comparative You are comparing a category (All bots with Rockets) with a build (Plasma Galahad). Zeus Carny eats RDBs and is massively strong right now simply because it is a good counter to a lot of the missile bots out there now. It was just an example, don't get too hung up on it. I was most certainly never implying Zues Carnage is immune to missiles EVERYTHING has it's counter, it's a good thing to remember when building your hangar. Of course. I just find that rockets are generally good against anything - plasma isn't when there are shield bots running around. Even if it means using a full load of DB griffin to take down an ancil for another to take out it can be done.
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Post by drake1588 on Jun 27, 2017 21:05:57 GMT -5
As someone who pilots a Zeus Carnage, it is good against bad or isolated RDB pilots. Good RDB pilots see there is one, team up, and wreck Zeus carnages. The ancile plus health is low, and two of them can disable or kill a Zeus Carnage relatively quickly - one full salvo and a couple follow up shots from each. In the meantime, the zarnage may have had two cycles of Zeus shots knocking one Griff to about 60% health.
Rock can win, if rock is smart and organized, but rocks are rarely smart and organized.
It's pretty much the plot of Antz.
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Post by Russel on Jun 28, 2017 1:27:14 GMT -5
As someone who pilots a Zeus Carnage, it is good against bad or isolated RDB pilots. Good RDB pilots see there is one, team up, and wreck Zeus carnages. The ancile plus health is low, and two of them can disable or kill a Zeus Carnage relatively quickly - one full salvo and a couple follow up shots from each. In the meantime, the zarnage may have had two cycles of Zeus shots knocking one Griff to about 60% health. Rock can win, if rock is smart and organized, but rocks are rarely smart and organized. It's pretty much the plot of Antz. Rock / Wyatt :) Or Rock / Dom It was not clear if the Rock wins both of them, I think Dom wins the second
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Post by jckidd on Jun 30, 2017 22:50:04 GMT -5
Currently running a db rhino, db griffin, rdb griffin, zues carnage, thunder carnage. I have always been a rocketeer, imo they are more effective with the splash damage and I never liked staying exposed to empty my plasma clip. At one point, I was running the first three with a piñata stalker and a orkin piñata gareth, but in my current league (expert 3/2 iOS) the lights are to much like expendable bots and that's just bad business ?.
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Post by fιяєfℓαмє on Jul 1, 2017 2:13:41 GMT -5
I only run 2 rockets in my hangar, RDB griffin and DB griffin.
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Post by bronzeknee on Jul 2, 2017 12:43:07 GMT -5
I killed two RBD Griffins in a 2vs1 with my PDB Griffin today, in a situation with no cover. Plasma definitely has it's place in the meta.
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