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Post by FlashAhAhh on Jun 25, 2017 7:49:38 GMT -5
I know that as I work my way up the leagues I'll start encountering the people who know this... but it's so simple that I can't believe such people are rare as hen's teeth(currently Gold League)
Don't stand still when you are in cover! Believe it or not but we CAN actually see you lol. If you are standing still then suddenly start moving towards the edge of your cover... We KNOW you are about to pop out... and you'll pop out of your cover to a face full of missiles. If multiple people on your team are doing this, it means a single enemy can cover you all! And this happens ALL the time.
If you are constantly moving while in cover, we have no idea when you are going to pop out and will end up wasting a LOT of our time waiting for you to do so.
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Post by nocluevok on Jun 25, 2017 8:14:55 GMT -5
LOL! I love playing the waiting game with red pilots who *think* I'm going to walk into their *ambush*... Mr Carnage. Yeah, buddy, I'll get right on that. ? 30 seconds later they charge around the corner and get a face full of plasma. Impatience is a bot killer.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 25, 2017 10:38:54 GMT -5
Good tip. Creating uncertainty and confusion are important tactics.
Leading/Feint:
Sitting still is not necessarily the issue, but rather about gathering intel and tricking them to lose their load so you can make a move. So another possibility is standing back from corner, and turning face of your mech to left or right so you can get a sideways glance to gather intel not only on who is over there and what they have, but you can lead them into firing and even see the projectiles being fired, and with good timing and range knowledge, you can step out of range slightly, then pop back in range to unload at them or cross an opening safely while they sit over there in a shameful countdown. And what a great lesson they have just taught us:
Precision:
It isn't a 'must do' to be accurate when aiming, especially with rockets, but I tell ya what. If you breathe, lock on, and set cross hairs just right before firing, a larger number of your artillery will land on target = more damage. I know that's not rocket science (no pun intended lol), but what the earlier example shows is we often can waste a shot by not being more accurate, which can be a deciding factor for many game changing scenarios. I have noticed for example when firing Doc quad tulumbas, that because I don't take a moment to aim accurately, I lose the impact I could've had. It's not that big a deal, but in a way it is, and I can say my mech was destroyed several times specifically because some of my rockets didn't hit target. Being precise when providing LR assist especially important, otherwise your battle activity is, well, worthless!
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 25, 2017 10:47:50 GMT -5
Agree with ѻﻭɼﻉ - sitting still isn't the issue. It's the fact that they make a predictable move from there. If instead they pretended like they were coming out but didn't, you just wasted your entire salvo, and they're going to waste you. I think a more complete tip would be to use cover correctly. I often will sit still behind cover if it's a rather small cover and I have no reason to be moving. Not only will it give me time to rest my burning pilot thumb, but my enemy that thinks they're covering me has absolutely no information to guess what I'm going to do now. I'll work on a complete guide to using cover correctly and see if I can get that up later today. |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 25, 2017 11:04:53 GMT -5
Agree with ѻﻭɼﻉ - sitting still isn't the issue. It's the fact that they make a predictable move from there. If instead they pretended like they were coming out but didn't, you just wasted your entire salvo, and they're going to waste you. I think a more complete tip would be to use cover correctly. I often will sit still behind cover if it's a rather small cover and I have no reason to be moving. Not only will it give me time to rest my burning pilot thumb, but my enemy that thinks they're covering me has absolutely no information to guess what I'm going to do now. I'll work on a complete guide to using cover correctly and see if I can get that up later today. 'Mijapi's Complete Guide to Using Cover' is now anticipated! |
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Peter Quincy Taggart
Destrier
"Forward he cried from the rear, and the front rank died..."
Posts: 30
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Pilot name: PQtaggart
Platform: iOS
Server Region: North America
Favorite robot: Leo
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Post by Peter Quincy Taggart on Jun 25, 2017 11:10:49 GMT -5
Mijapi300 and zoskia both make great points. Nocluvok I know exactly where you're coming from, we could very well have been in the same game today and saw your exact scenario. A little guy sneaking around a corner while two Leos are tracking him waiting to unleash. It was almost comical. But bad tactics aside, I can see myself sitting behind cover taking a much needed thumb break and looking around the virtual battlefield see where my other blue and red icons be floating. If team members are close you can time it just right for a buddy to join you and ambush that guy who thinks he's waiting to ambush you when you break cover. Or you can see the tide is turning against you and leap out if you've a Griffin or similar jumper.
I sometimes like to taunt with my trusty little Vityaz sniper, peak out from behind cover and let loose a salvo from Nashorn/Gekko and then slide back. It's just annoying enough to get someone's attention away from a concentrated attack on one of my team or kite them a little into an ambush (I can't tell you how many Leos and Natashas have come looking for little old me only to be jumped [literally] by two of my team's Griffins).
One thing I truly wish for having only played this game a couple weeks - a way to talk to my team. Not Discord or something, just an in-game chat like the old Battlefront II interface. If I could give one quick message to the guys behind me, like "Hey, get ready to jump this guy..." or "Hey, back the heck off there's a monster Thunder Leo coming," I'd be a bit happier.
Great discussion fellows, I look forward to your tactics briefing!
PQT
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 25, 2017 20:59:37 GMT -5
To be fair, you should never be stationary ever.
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Post by Firebeard on Jun 25, 2017 21:18:08 GMT -5
I usually fire a few rounds or Rockets at a particular side of an Opponent's cover, to keep them from exiting on said 'side and keeping them pinned.
Then I use cover, myself to work my way towards them.
Asymmetrical warfare ..
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Post by HEATHEN HERETIC on Jun 25, 2017 21:51:31 GMT -5
One of the biggest flaws in this game is that you cannot hide. If that were a feature the gameplay would be so much more realistic and dramatic. Peekaboo would be a realistic tactic. Flanking would be more common.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 25, 2017 22:56:11 GMT -5
One of the biggest flaws in this game is that you cannot hide. If that were a feature the gameplay would be so much more realistic and dramatic. Peekaboo would be a realistic tactic. Flanking would be more common. If you mean the fact that you can track all robots on the field regardless of whether you've had line of sight or not, I agree. I wish you could only track bots that you've held line of sight on long enough to "lock" their signal. Or some sort of system like that. It would make a lot more sense, and would also add a layer of strategy to the game. |
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Post by vinceh on Jun 26, 2017 12:15:04 GMT -5
I usually fire a few rounds or Rockets at a particular side of an Opponent's cover, to keep them from exiting on said 'side and keeping them pinned. Then I use cover, myself to work my way towards them. Asymmetrical warfare .. How do you know you are the predator in this case?  . I personally love some griffs jump to around 50 m to either my carnage or my leo with thunder. |
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Post by Firebeard on Jun 26, 2017 12:31:14 GMT -5
I usually fire a few rounds or Rockets at a particular side of an Opponent's cover, to keep them from exiting on said 'side and keeping them pinned. Then I use cover, myself to work my way towards them. Asymmetrical warfare .. How do you know you are the predator in this case? . I personally love some griffs jump to around 50 m to either my carnage or my leo with thunder. I pay attention to the battlefield. I can see who jumps and their Mecha. Most Griffen pilots will "jump" and try to spring from cover while firing bit since I'm constantly moving and behind cover while closing the distance, they very, quite often - run. Some try to "jump" Up for a look-see but a quick L12 Zeus cannon puts 'em back down. By this time Teammates have flanked the Opponent .. |
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Post by imnobody on Jun 26, 2017 23:52:39 GMT -5
Let them sit behind cover. they have no where to hide. At least I don't have to latterly have to face them stupid cowards. I juat let my long range missile splash damage take of it.
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Post by ogpondskum on Jun 27, 2017 8:09:19 GMT -5
I love baiting those that are sitting behind cover and also baiting others when I sit behind cover.
In the first instance, I'll try to bait them out by letting them think I'm walking into their trap. In the second, using a circular movement, I'll start to move one way, bait red to fire, then move the other way and counter attack with a full weapons load now that red has to reload.
As anything in this game, there is a strategy and a counter strategy. While doing something like standing behind cover may not seem like the right thing to do, there is a way to use it to your advantage if you know how.
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