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Post by Russel on Jun 24, 2017 16:02:17 GMT -5
I got a long story to tell. Was waiting for a good moment, and I believe the moment is nigh. Bear with me, there is a short story - just facts, really - and a long one to enjoy on a weekend. Pretty often I hear: QUESTIONS: - You are forced to buy premium equipment!
- I can't wait half a year to grind for 5th slot!
- Without paying real money you are ?firetruck?ed!
- You need to grind daily for 3-4 hours to get even 2500 Au per month!
I will turn this story around, and provide ANSWERS and TIPS right at the beginning, so you can just read it and proceed on earning your fifth slot, if you are busy indeed: ANSWERS:- No, you don’t need neither Gold nor WP to get out of Gold
- Yes, 5 slots are FAST to get for a NEW PLAYER playing smart (less than 2 months)
- No, you do not need to pay to get good.
- If you play 1-2 hour per day you can get 3000 Au per month EASY
TIPS - HOW TO GET 5 SLOTS FAST, FREE, NO GRIND AND NO CREDIT CARD REQUIRED:- Win 3 battles per day IN A SQUAD. This should provide you enough battles to complete your dailies;
and you will get +9 gold per day for squadding. - Check your dailies, you might want to re-form your hangar and\or your in-game objectives
- Do not buy ANYTHING with Gold. No WP, no speedups, no bots, no Silver, no Paintjobs.
- If you are struggling to deal top damage - get those beacons! In the lower leagues people don't know about beacons.
With simple Cossacks\Griffins hangar (depending on your level) you can get ALL the beacons and help you team to win - Join the test server! For 1 hour per week (play 15 minutes, record it, upload to YouTube, fill the form) you are getting 100~250 gold a week. And VIP for 24hours, it is VERY good deal. And you will upgrade your Player levels faster, too!
That would be faster Au gain. You can see how to do it here:
- Do not tank! You will get Gold for moving up the Leagues.
- Be on lookout for challenges - visit WIKI main page often - there are news from Pixonic there (FB widget on the right)
Wiki Fandom!
Now that all impatient ones got their questions answered - I proceed to details (and of course some yummy details at the end of the story).
THIS IS A TRUE STORY.The events depicted in this text took place in WarRobots 02.2017-05.2017 Out of respect for the destroyed bots everything has been told exactly as it occurred. I had a case once. Back in January 2017. I'd tell you the details, but it sounds like I made it up. Madness, really.  So, I was saying.. 't was late January when I returned form The City of Sin (Vegas, baby!) from a business trip. And I was engaged in a discussion about Battle Robot games - like Mechwarrior, Earthsiege, MechCommander and such. A friend of mine suggest me try a game called WarRobots; A little bit of a character development note here: by that moment I was already 4 years into RealRacing3; I got every car there were by that moment, and decent amount of in-game cash. Funny thing was that, due to some reasons not very interesting to list here, I was unable to pay in AppStore at all, no in-app purchases, no buying Apps, nothing. So, to keep going in RR3 I was forced to grind for every new event, which were plenty. And the worst part was that usually on a new event you were getting a car that was good only on small parts of dedicated tracks\races, so you couldn't even enjoy your new toy completely. Due to my complete lack of experience with more than one mobile game I asked my friend if War Robots is a free to play game, and he answered that so far it has been for him, but he is forced from time to time to buy either Gold, which is never enough, or VIP to get Silver, which is apparently never enough. But I saw design of The Leo and The Cossack and was completely sold. === January 28th - 0 Gold ===Got the game installed and instantly got some type of "in-game advice", which I decided to follow. So, I bought 2nd slot, Cossack for it, upgraded some weapons, changed my Pilot ID. Come on, every good pilot name is already taken! Okay, I just put some gibberish there so you stop bugging me… WHOOPSIE! I discovered that I am eligible only for one free change, and the next change would cost me whopping 500 Au. Just to remind me of Pixonic trickery, I decided to leave my stupid name intact. Okay, I decided. Let's play smart. I won't spend ANY gold, and more than that, I will do my due diligence to see if I need to "speed up upgrade" or something. Two weeks and 100 pages of WIKI later. There was a lot of stupid info (don't mix ranges? Are you serious? I would better have one weapon for every type of encounter; after all, I played MechWarrior a lot, so I know a thing or two!) So, I decided to stick only to single advice - get 5th slot first. It was smart, not spending my Gold for now. Oh, and The Test Server! I noticed this secret piece of information in a comment of the WIKI, and decided to give it a try. I won big time! Weekly Gold and some stupid VIP (who need that? I am level27 already, and got TEN MILLIONS SILVER! I would never need more than that, obviously) Quick note about WP bots\weapons: Idea came into my mind - what if I check not only how long I could play without paying for my stuff, and getting 5th slot first, but let's make experiment even better, and see how far can I go without WP stuff, too? Honestly, Carnages and Fujins with tad of HP but full shield for so much of a nuisance for me, so I couldn't just resist the temptation and bough 2xMagnums, one for each Leo. I got myself 4 slots, two Leos (Thunder+Punisher+Magnum+Pinata), two Griffins (Tulumbas+MolotMk2+Molot+Spiral), and was grinding the Gold for a 5th slot. My friend was buying WP for his Plasmahad and 2nd Orkan for his Griffin, with same 4 slot hangar. Sometimes I was replacing one of the Leos with my trustworthy ECU Cossack, to get beacons. I was trying to keep up with him during Squad battles, pretty hard. That was the moment of the Truth. I needed either to spend my gold on a Galahad or think of something fast not to be a liability for my friend in squad battles. I bought and sell Thunder Natasha, and even tried Zenit one; what could I do to improve my gameplay without spending premium currencies? So I decided to see if WIKI pages became useful in last month. MY GOD! Articles seems to hold the same information as before, but obviously some magic happened to them, because information started to make sense there! I decided to build a better hangar. === February 28th - 3800 Gold ===I woke up and got a text from my friend "Hey, where do you stand in terms of Leagues?" What Leagues, I asked. "Go update a game and come by our office for squadding, buddy!". Okay, so I got into the game and.... I was placed in a Gold2, right in the middle of the Leagues standing. Not bad, really. Only a month into a game, and I am already at the middle! My arsenal is at level 6\7, so give me another month, and I would probably have my 12\12 Champions hangar! (I was not paying attention to the WIKI upgrade tables, obviously). So now I proceed at building a better hangar. Punishers from Leos goes to Puffin (Punisher Griffin), Molots from two Griffins will form Moffin (Molot Griffin), and for the Leos.. I decided not to overthink it and just made Thunder+2Pinata+Magnum brothers, Leo Sr (9/7 guy) and Leo Jr (6/6). I keep gaining Gold by squadding and making daily tasks; level up gold comes handy, as well as TestServer rewards, and when I got into a Diamond3.... === March 12th - 32 Gold ===Yess! I bought my 5th slot with League Advancement gold (well, obviously just League reward would not be enough, it just all added up). I was very excited. So, I put my ECU Cossack back for more beacon gold, and decided to ditch Puffin in favor of RDB (I actually liked the damage, the sound and the visuals of the Punishers, but reload time was just the worst. You are spinning barrels for 3 seconds to get it accelerated, then shoot for 10 seconds, and then you need to hide from the enemy for 10 seconds more. Stupid thing to do in a knife fight. No other weapon, save for Pinata, was not doing that in a brawl) So now I can buy anything I want! I can put every bot I wanted into my hangar... but what is the bot I want? I was so focused on making my gameplay better with the bots I got, completely forgot to plan for the future. I'd better just keep grinding the gold. Hmmm, I might want to register on that "Forum" I keep hearing of... === April 25th - 4900 Gold ===Whoa! It was a hard month at work, so I got no time to learn information from the all-knowing wise WIKI and decide what should I get next. So I might ask guys on the wonderful forum here. And I did indeed! war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/5997/5000-gold-event-chest(I actually spent it all on chests, but that's completely different story) === Currently 8000 gold and counting ===Made 200 gold by "me playing War Robots" task, and keep on grinding that beacon gold. Waiting for Dashes to come. === The end of the story: ===So I started in 28~29th of January, and by the April 29th, I made 697 wins with 54% winrate - let's say it was 1290 games in total, and it usually takes from 4 to 8 minutes per average game, so it's 86~172 hours spent in three month’s time; which makes it 1~2 hours per day playtime. In a pure Gold it would be: 3rd slot (100 gold?) + 4th slot (1000 gold) + 5th slot (5000) + remaining 4900 Gold = ~11,000 Gold in three month’s time. I would say that my research and WIKI could help you save at least ~10% of this time (I was really doing stupid things first week into a game). And I wanted to end the story by paraphrasing a great saying: If you believe that you can get 5th slot in 2 months - you are right. If you believe that you can NOT get 5th slot in 2 months - you are right. It's all in your head, really.  |
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 24, 2017 19:58:04 GMT -5
Great origins story man. Too many pearls to mention just one ?
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Post by RagingFire on Jun 24, 2017 20:05:25 GMT -5
I don't believe I'll ever get 5th slot. Lol. I'd rather have bots and weapons. Currently saving for dash and even if they are dirt cheap (not gonna happen) there are still so many things I've not experencied playing with yet (Lancelot fury rogatka gekkos (not much regret there) Zeus carny (need one more Zeus)).
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Post by jckidd on Jun 24, 2017 22:19:37 GMT -5
Good stuff ?
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Post by zr on Jun 24, 2017 23:27:02 GMT -5
This is my hangar after 6 months of playing no real money   Had some help from events, started playing at the Xmas event. Also Have, 1 Galahad 2 Tridents 1 Rog 1 Orkan 1 Stalker 1 Gepard And lots of other bots and weapons, the list is just what cost WSP or Gold But as I said played all events, the Rog came form event |
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Post by ΒΣRΖΣRKΛ²³ on Jun 25, 2017 0:37:22 GMT -5
Haha i remember..."1000 gold for the 4th slot?? Pah that would take forever !" Couple of weeks later I figuered it doesn't take too long..saved and bought it - saw 5th slot price : "BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH yeah right like I can save up that much..no one ever saved so much !" So I was spending my gold again..
I bought 1 aphid, 1 Orkan, 1 Zeus and a gareth...and before I knew it I was Saving all up for the 5th. Took me ~2 months !
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 1:56:42 GMT -5
Great origins story man. Too many pearls to mention just one ? Thanks! I was trying to get this not boring to read =) |
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 3:41:56 GMT -5
I don't believe I'll ever get 5th slot. Lol. I'd rather have bots and weapons. Currently saving for dash and even if they are dirt cheap (not gonna happen) there are still so many things I've not experencied playing with yet (Lancelot fury rogatka gekkos (not much regret there) Zeus carny (need one more Zeus)). Think of it this way. You got 4 slots hangar (just a hypothetical):  So you get your 5K, and want to buy a Lance. You need to replace one of the bots. The hangar would look like:  Alternatively, you can have this:  or this  So basically you are comparing 1 bot  vs 2 bots  In terms of combat efficiency 2 bots are better than one. So my advice here - if you thing that golden bot\equipment will improve your score - it wont. But if you just like golden bot just because it's fun - get it, by all means =) It is a game, after all! |
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 3:48:03 GMT -5
This is my hangar after 6 months of playing no real money Had some help from events, started playing at the Xmas event. Also Have, 1 Galahad 2 Tridents 1 Rog 1 Orkan 1 Stalker 1 Gepard And lots of other bots and weapons, the list is just what cost WSP or Gold But as I said played all events, the Rog came form event Actually, you made a great point here; I wanted to add it, too, but was afraid that many people would get angry :-D Basically, from what I see, Pixonic is making different events, giveaways, bonuses and free gold every 3~6 months, to that extent that I would even take it into account. But there are MANY players who get super-angry and aggressive when I just mention Events\Giveaways, because "it's not fair!! It's all setup!!! Not everybody could benefit from it!!". So I decided to keep my "tips" as short and close to Your Average Joe's experience as possible, so everybody can relate, nevermind their luck and\or attention to the events\giveaways. |
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 3:49:48 GMT -5
Haha i remember..."1000 gold for the 4th slot?? Pah that would take forever !" Couple of weeks later I figuered it doesn't take too long..saved and bought it - saw 5th slot price : "BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH yeah right like I can save up that much..no one ever saved so much !" So I was spending my gold again.. I bought 1 aphid, 1 Orkan, 1 Zeus and a gareth...and before I knew it I was Saving all up for the 5th. Took me ~2 months ! Exactly! That was the reason I put Alice in the end of the article =) If you like playing and have some additional free time, say, 2-3 hours per day, participate in every challenge - you can make even 5K per month, or even more. |
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Post by dangit on Jun 25, 2017 7:14:40 GMT -5
Russel that's the way I started on both platforms minus Test Server, although it didn't seem that involved while I was doing it either time. Good post.
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 7:30:12 GMT -5
Russel that's the way I started on both platforms minus Test Server, although it didn't seem that involved while I was doing it either time. Good post. Thanks! Offtopic: great picture =) Do you like spinach or is it here just because you like the graphics? |
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Post by dangit on Jun 25, 2017 7:57:28 GMT -5
Russel I do like spinach. A very creative and great clan mate made it for me as a special present for my recent birthday. I have since made a photo of it to hang in my room and it is being made into a poster. It is so cool and a very appreciated gift. And now we return you to your regular thread.
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Post by White1Golf on Jun 25, 2017 8:00:25 GMT -5
Great read!
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 8:08:06 GMT -5
Thanks! More is coming. I will sort my notes and provide you with additional info on it ;) |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 10:25:52 GMT -5
Getting a 5th slot with this matchmaking is a lot harder now. I remember I got a 5th slot playing 4/6 Thunder Sclutze for 3 weekss in the old one.
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 10:57:11 GMT -5
Getting a 5th slot with this matchmaking is a lot harder now. I remember I got a 5th slot playing 4/6 Thunder Sclutze for 3 weekss in the old one. It actually is, but there are level up rewards that are making it easier for new pilots to gather gold quick. That's why I must underline importance of getting 5th slot before everything else - it actually would be easy and fast while you are getting gold for: - level up - league progression - more possibilities to get +10 per battle in lower leagues. So if you "wait until you got Britbots and Orkans", you will move past this sweet sweet period of time and would be getting Gold at a slower rate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 10:59:41 GMT -5
There are only so many leagues you can move up without a 5th slot, gold bots / weapons while trying to get gold for your 5th slot.
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 11:10:14 GMT -5
There are only so many leagues you can move up without a 5th slot, gold bots / weapons while trying to get gold for your 5th slot. Yep, the highest I could without Gold/WP stuff was Diamond2. I still wonder if my 6/7/89 hangar was the reason for that. |
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 11:14:44 GMT -5
Still it would be ~810 Gold if you can make it to the Diamond3 in advancement gold; plus monthly reward. You can easily make 1k on League rewards alone.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 25, 2017 11:26:41 GMT -5
Russel My experiment directly conflicts yours, so it will be interesting to compare results at some point when I'm further along. My hangar will be 9/9 as quickly as possible, but only 3 slots. And it'll be fun to see how high in leagues that'll get me. I have a feeling once I hit upper Golf I'm going to have to start playing more carefully which may lead to less 10 Au games.
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 12:24:21 GMT -5
Russel My experiment directly conflicts yours, so it will be interesting to compare results at some point when I'm further along. My hangar will be 9/9 as quickly as possible, but only 3 slots. And it'll be fun to see how high in leagues that'll get me. I have a feeling once I hit upper Golf I'm going to have to start playing more carefully which may lead to less 10 Au games As we discussed with another forumite, it's not the same at all. You can't cross same river twice; so any re-doing and running second accounts would be overwhelmingly successful, because of your skill level. So comparing first time experience with second run will be heavily biased; That's why Hyderier was crazy successful on his second account with Gareth. It was not the Gareths achievement, but the pilot's. More than that, if you are aiming to get the fastest to the Champions league as you target, and not just usual fun Diamond-Expert diverse play, you will be better off with less slots; the reason to that is the notorious saying about "but you need to upgrade more bots". If your plan is to have single 12/12 hangar - you will be better off with less slots and upgraded bots. More than that, you will gain better skill playing them. But the point of my article is to apply to common people like me, who are not aiming straight to Champions. So both the initial conditions and the target are different; that's why we will get different results, and both be right :) |
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Post by dangit on Jun 25, 2017 12:55:59 GMT -5
mijapi300 have to agree with Russel on the 2nd time around. After almost 2 years of iOS play, I decided to start an Android account, it was so easy to avoid all (well almost all, that dang "Oh! I'll try this." factor did slip in a couple of times) my mistakes. There isn't anything in that hangar that is not needed. It's as bare as I can keep it. I didn't even open a crate in the last event for that account. Kept the gold. Plus I had a successful hangar I was comfortable with to create the Android hangar. My third account, secondary iOS is based again on the previous two, a 4 slot 7/8 which is where it will stay. Only 6 bots and enough weapons to support them. It is supposed to be for fun anyway. A D3 hangar. Man, it didn't take very long at all to build it.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 25, 2017 12:57:43 GMT -5
RusselFair points. Most of my advice and stories are more geared towards serious players, and I considered myself one from the very start. I'd say I played about 10 games before I started searching online for strategies and skills to learn and get better. So even my first time through wouldn't fit your average joe. My goal this time isn't necessarily to get to Champions, I hate the gameplay there. It's more to see what is a more successful strategy for a skilled player - and because of that I might even start a third account, getting slots before bots.
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Post by inspirace on Jun 25, 2017 13:41:09 GMT -5
Russel My experiment directly conflicts yours, so it will be interesting to compare results at some point when I'm further along. My hangar will be 9/9 as quickly as possible, but only 3 slots. And it'll be fun to see how high in leagues that'll get me. I have a feeling once I hit upper Golf I'm going to have to start playing more carefully which may lead to less 10 Au games As we discussed with another forumite, it's not the same at all. You can't cross same river twice; so any re-doing and running second accounts would be overwhelmingly successful, because of your skill level. So comparing first time experience with second run will be heavily biased; That's why Hyderier was crazy successful on his second account with Gareth. It was not the Gareths achievement, but the pilot's. More than that, if you are aiming to get the fastest to the Champions league as you target, and not just usual fun Diamond-Expert diverse play, you will be better off with less slots; the reason to that is the notorious saying about "but you need to upgrade more bots". If your plan is to have single 12/12 hangar - you will be better off with less slots and upgraded bots. More than that, you will gain better skill playing them. But the point of my article is to apply to common people like me, who are not aiming straight to Champions. So both the initial conditions and the target are different; that's why we will get different results, and both be right  can perhaps compare with me, if it is on IOS  I started the second account several days ago and I chose to get the 4th hanger as soon as possible before reading any of these threads. I realized that through Silver, the 4th hanger was rarely needed, often two bots were enough. so mijapi300's build would have been a faster way to pass the silver, if one aimed to do so. now upon reading both thread, I am gearing to not getting Orkans (instead, running two cheap RDB Griffs atm, and putting the first Taran on a Boa) and saving gold to get the 5th slot. the comparison would be how far and fast I can move up with two RDBs, instead of a DB and RDB. the pros and cons, at this point, I can think of: (1) pros for 5th hanger first strategy: I will get the 5th hanger fast (2) cons for 5th hanger first strategy: I will have to run two of the same setups for a while, either two RDB Griffs or two Thunder-pinata Leos. these setups are the only two I can think of, usable right out of the box spending only Ag and also in higher tiers (will there be others? I am not sure Golems and Vityazs viable in higher tier). right now I am using two RDB Griffs, one T-P Leo, and a Boa (as single mid-weapon placeholder and beacon capper). arriving at Gold3 (ios), I began to see all shades of meta bots, although levels are mostly 6~7 (plus, interestingly, a lot of plasma Fujins, quite difficult to counter when I don't have any plasma atm). so I am not sure how much two RDB Griffs would be competitive. a PDB Griff would take time (and need to be upgraded first), since I just get my fist Taran. the thing is, either it be two RDB Griff or two T-L Leo, I will have to upgrade only one of them, since I don't see I will use two of them in the higher tier. so, getting to a DB Griff first (before the 4th hanger) would have a benefit that you will have at least two usable-out-of-boxes and viable-at-higher-tiers setups (DB and RDB Griffs) when you arrive at the Gold3, where in ios, I think, the real business beginning to emerge. otherwise, I will have to run two identical setups until I get a PDB Griff, a Stalker, a Carnage, or sth else (any suggestion? condition is not spending Au/cash, and preferably something viable in higher tiers with current meta) ... well, all of these would be a matter of preference, and will change at the next update there won't be absolute yes or no. |
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 13:55:36 GMT -5
Russel Fair points. Most of my advice and stories are more geared towards serious players, and I considered myself one from the very start. I'd say I played about 10 games before I started searching online for strategies and skills to learn and get better. So even my first time through wouldn't fit your average joe. My goal this time isn't necessarily to get to Champions, I hate the gameplay there. It's more to see what is a more successful strategy for a skilled player - and because of that I might even start a third account, getting slots before bots. That's what I think of you when I read your posts, exactly. I see you more of an endgame-oriented, Master\Champions player, who want to use only the most damage-inflicting strategies and tools. And I can appreciate your good advice on that field. In my game I play against Diamond-Expert players for the most part, and don't mind getting down and dirty back into the Gold. I can equip my Raijin with KangDae's just to hear the awesome sound; and Hydra Doc is a frequent guest in my hangar. My goal for the end of the year is to have everything leveled up to 8~10, so that I can take any weapon\bot\combo for a spin (I would make a post about "what is so special in lvl8" a bit later); and I see the game as a fun process with NO end result, where I like to discover new crazy stuff and intangible details (like the place on the PowerPlant near the enemy spawn where you can shoot at the enemy from the top-mounted Magnums on a Jesse and be shielded from the enemy fire completely; more on this in my WW bots story). Meanwhile I see you as a furious fighter, who can't tolerate spending time\silver on a stuff that is suboptimal in terms of range\DPS\DPM combo, and sees no fun in taking 3 Jesses for a spin to a Live Server battle. I can't see myself playing same bots\setup for more than a month (again, looking back into discussion with other guys who suggested getting Galahad+2Griffins the earliest possible and upgrading them all the way up to the Masters). So while your advices are very good and almost 99% to the point - your gameplay and the whole strategy is driven by getting most damage and beacons, and be the most effective guy. Mine, however, are more like how to have more fun per second while not being suck at the game completely. That is the reason I don't like BritBots - they are very effective, but no fun at all. Every Ancilot vs Ancilot or Plasmahad vs Plasmahad battle looks the same to me and reminds of this: I see absolutely no sense in a "League standing", "Rating" or something like this. So on this note, I think that your experience would be highly effective, but, in my opinion, not fun. Having said that I am really glad that you, being very skilled and high-league player, are writing advices THAT detailed; it is really hard work, and I couldn't done that myself.
So, short version, as usual (if I may put an automotive metaphor here): I see myself more like of an James May, while you are more like Jay Leno, and people need both characters to get the complete picture of a game. |
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 14:10:08 GMT -5
As we discussed with another forumite, it's not the same at all. You can't cross same river twice; so any re-doing and running second accounts would be overwhelmingly successful, because of your skill level. So comparing first time experience with second run will be heavily biased; That's why Hyderier was crazy successful on his second account with Gareth. It was not the Gareths achievement, but the pilot's. More than that, if you are aiming to get the fastest to the Champions league as you target, and not just usual fun Diamond-Expert diverse play, you will be better off with less slots; the reason to that is the notorious saying about "but you need to upgrade more bots". If your plan is to have single 12/12 hangar - you will be better off with less slots and upgraded bots. More than that, you will gain better skill playing them. But the point of my article is to apply to common people like me, who are not aiming straight to Champions. So both the initial conditions and the target are different; that's why we will get different results, and both be right :) can perhaps compare with me, if it is on IOS ;) I started the second account several days ago and I chose to get the 4th hanger as soon as possible before reading any of these threads. I realized that through Silver, the 4th hanger was rarely needed, often two bots were enough. so mijapi300's build would have been a faster way to pass the silver, if one aimed to do so. now upon reading both thread, I am gearing to not getting Orkans (instead, running two cheap RDB Griffs atm, and putting the first Taran on a Boa) and saving gold to get the 5th slot. the comparison would be how far and fast I can move up with two RDBs, instead of a DB and RDB. the pros and cons, at this point, I can think of: (1) pros for 5th hanger first strategy: I will get the 5th hanger fast ;) (2) cons for 5th hanger first strategy: I will have to run two of the same setups for a while, either two RDB Griffs or two Thunder-pinata Leos. these setups are the only two I can think of, usable right out of the box spending only Ag and also in higher tiers (will there be others? I am not sure Golems and Vityazs viable in higher tier). right now I am using two RDB Griffs, one T-P Leo, and a Boa (as single mid-weapon placeholder and beacon capper). arriving at Gold3 (ios), I began to see all shades of meta bots, although levels are mostly 6~7 (plus, interestingly, a lot of plasma Fujins, quite difficult to counter when I don't have any plasma atm). so I am not sure how much two RDB Griffs would be competitive. a PDB Griff would take time (and need to be upgraded first), since I just get my fist Taran. the thing is, either it be two RDB Griff or two T-L Leo, I will have to upgrade only one of them, since I don't see I will use two of them in the higher tier. so, getting to a DB Griff first (before the 4th hanger) would have a benefit that you will have at least two usable-out-of-boxes and viable-at-higher-tiers setups (DB and RDB Griffs) when you arrive at the Gold3, where in ios, I think, the real business beginning to emerge. otherwise, I will have to run two identical setups until I get a PDB Griff, a Stalker, a Carnage, or sth else (any suggestion? condition is not spending Au/cash, and preferably something viable in higher tiers with current meta) ... well, all of these would be a matter of preference, and will change at the next update ;) there won't be absolute yes or no. I would suggest one of the following (or a combination of the bots) for fun, Gold-free and competitive play in iOS up to the Diamond (maybe higher):   There are arguably "bad" bots - namely Leo\Cossack; both of them don't require much to upgrade (one of my Leos is still stock lvl6 and doing good); And two somewhat controversial: Fujin and Stalker. I added them to spice up gameplay; they could be easily replaced with a Griffin\Carnage of the same loadout. Weapon-wise I believe only Molots are somewhat questionable, but I had awesome experience with them vs Trident\Zeus\RDB\Hydra\Ancile all the way up, and would definitely keep it. Again, those can easily be replaced with a Pins. P.s. alternatively we can put a Rhino and a Hydra, but that would be too much of a stretch from "effective" goal. |
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Post by inspirace on Jun 25, 2017 14:21:11 GMT -5
Russel I see absolutely no sense in a "League standing", "Rating" or something like this. So on this note, I think that your experience would be highly effective, but, in my opinion, not fun. well, I will have to disagree to some of your points. some people may find fun in trying to find the most effective way/build to achieve a goal - many strategic games have such components. I am atm doing that. and even with the same five bots, there are a lot of fun you can find, using different tactics and strategies, against different challenges. I become fall in love with all five bots I have, after spending so much time and thinking to refine them to get the best five, often wishing there should be a sixth hanger when there is a close sixman. I like them like my five fingers. you don't necessarily have many different bots to have fun, at least for some people. I don't agree with your view with League standing. not sure above champions, but there is a difference between silver and gold (with my 2nd account), and master and expert (1st account), at least in IOS. I had a lot of fun grinding to advnace between those two barriers. not sure about Android though. but I partly agree with your view with BritBots, especially ancilots. I don't have any britbots in either of my hanger, and it was also fun trying to counter them without one. but I would not say they are boring, since I haven't driven one except for a plasmahad. just my preference
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Post by Russel on Jun 25, 2017 14:35:56 GMT -5
Russel I see absolutely no sense in a "League standing", "Rating" or something like this. So on this note, I think that your experience would be highly effective, but, in my opinion, not fun. well, I will have to disagree to some of your points. some people may find fun in trying to find the most effective way/build to achieve a goal - many strategic games have such components. I am atm doing that. and even with the same five bots, there are a lot of fun you can find, using different tactics and strategies, against different challenges. I become fall in love with all five bots I have, after spending so much time and thinking to refine them to get the best five, often wishing there should be a sixth hanger when there is a close sixman. I like them like my five fingers. you don't necessarily have many different bots to have fun, at least for some people. I don't agree with your view with League standing. not sure above champions, but there is a difference between silver and gold (with my 2nd account), and master and expert (1st account), at least in IOS. I had a lot of fun grinding to advnace between those two barriers. not sure about Android though. but I partly agree with your view with BritBots, especially ancilots. I don't have any britbots in either of my hanger, and it was also fun trying to counter them without one. but I would not say they are boring, since I haven't driven one except for a plasmahad. just my preference ;) Some of my concepts might've slipped through here :-D 1)
I see _difference_ in different Leagues, yes. Gameplay is definitely not the same. But it all good fun in every league, IMHO, and I see no sense in trying to always try to get as far as you can. So I let myself fool around sometimes, bringing stupid and wacky build into the game, or testing something (like my recent experiment with comparing Nashorn vs KangDae speed: ) 2)
I never said that hangar full of the same bot couldn't be fun; What I said was "playing same setup for months"; So if you get your hands full of Carnages, like this:  And play it for a week or two - it's a great fun. But if you bought Plasmahad\RDB\PDB as soon as possible and keep playing it all the way to the top tier - that is my model of "no fun at all" |
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Post by inspirace on Jun 25, 2017 14:53:49 GMT -5
Russel by the same bots, I mean the same set of five bots, not necessarily all of a kind. the ones you selected carefully, refined, get used to, figuring out new strategies and tactics with, and become like your five fingers, so that it can tear your heart when you have to drop one of them due to a buff or whatever ... of course you can have five, six, or ten best bots and keep rotating, like running a basketball team. you seemed to have a not liking of so-called "meta". I can partly agree with it. but some people (like me and mijapi300 , I guess) may find fun in developing a way to be effective in achieving a goal in the most efficient way. yes, it may become looking like getting the same RDB/PDB (I will skip BritBots, since I decided not to have one, just a preference) (although I liked the plasmahad I got form the gamble a little bit). it would be actually great to achieve the goal using a new setup. well. different people have different ways of having fun. and your post drew attentions from people with different ways of having fun, since it provided some inspiration, at least for me, in building the most efficient way to not having fun (in your definition)
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I started the second account several days ago and I chose to get the 4th hanger as soon as possible before reading any of these threads. I realized that through Silver, the 4th hanger was rarely needed, often two bots were enough. so mijapi300's build would have been a faster way to pass the silver, if one aimed to do so.