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Post by 16romeo on Jun 8, 2017 19:06:04 GMT -5
I am not against shields except for one glaring problem; say I am holding down a beacon or heading a charge and I run into a Fujin with his shield up. The robot I am playing doesn't have energy weapons, so I knock his shields out for my team, my team comes in and takes out the Fujin. I have done no damage. I then run into a Gareth. I just have punishers. I do my best to angle him, but he defeats me and I am back to spawn with my next robot. My team loses. Against "unshielded" opponents, I would have done tons of damage. I played as a teammate, I must be okay because I am usually the lowest level player (23 vs.30) I receive a -22 and I am knocked out of my league. Shouldn't the damage you do on shields count too?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2017 19:55:14 GMT -5
It should, but then cheaters would then play "deplete each other's ancile and then regenerate" all game long to get 2m damage scores. Cheaters are why we can't have fun toys. Sorry about the -22, but we cannot all get + points every game.
EDIT: Forgot cheaters dont like being called cheaters, and debate the semantics. Exploiters, that's the PC term they like.
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Post by BLYTHE on Jun 8, 2017 20:07:35 GMT -5
Yes, Heavy Panda's right of course; it would be abused. It's unfortunate considering anciles have greatly reduce average damage incurred, which translates into less silver--a more valuable commodity that's tough to maintain reserves of in the high tiers.
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Post by 16romeo on Jun 8, 2017 20:40:17 GMT -5
Someday, in a year or so of generating gold, I will have an ancile too.
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Post by Firebeard on Jun 8, 2017 20:48:39 GMT -5
You could also try sneaking behind your Opponent and walking inside the Ancile to deliver un-Shielded damage.
That's how I attack Anciled Opponents with my Rogatka - Jump in, stay on my Opponent's flank and disable or destroy them ..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 2:33:43 GMT -5
This is pretty bad the higher up you go. Some games, everyone scores 200 to 300K if you just run at them Leroy Jenkins style. I try to flank, so I can usually do better than my teammates, and can get 450-550K in damage.
The proper strategy is to scout them before you spawn. At the start of the game. After each death. Just take a few seconds to look around and see what bot and weapons everyone is running. You'll be amazed how much better you do once you have a proper counter.
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Post by osang on Jun 9, 2017 2:49:46 GMT -5
I love blasting level 12 ancilot with my pinata/orkan combo on my rhino. I go inside Lancelot's shield, then...boom!
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Post by Tatamat on Jun 9, 2017 6:54:53 GMT -5
Hope that referred to one of your bots (and not the whole hangar). If yes, not a big deal, sh*t happens. Next time you pick the counterpart to the bot that has popped you. If not, I recommend to diversify weapons. It's hard to play rock-paper-scissors game with hands full of rocks. The point is, with bullet weapons you either have to choose your opponents carefully (i.e. no shield) or be patient. You can somehow deal with Ancile (hoping that someone will follow with rockets salvo), however it's usually a waste of time against physical shields => I'd probably run away from such bot, you're not helping your team by wasting your bot on scratching red's shield.I've tried Punishers shortly as well but I soon came back to proven combination plasma & 300 m rockets & 600 m rockets. Currently, the game simply disqualifies Punishers. There are two types of shield and two types of weapons that pierce it. Bullets fall short in this setup and so are only useful for longer ranges where you can choose who you hit. The day of Punishers will come in case some of following happens: a) A piercing mode is introduced that can go through both types of shields (with reduced damage) b) Damage is buffed so much that you can rip both types of shield apart in reasonable time c) A third type of shield is introduced that blocks plasma & rockets but not bullets
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Post by bugdoc on Jun 9, 2017 7:27:45 GMT -5
I've always thought that damage to shields should count something, as you are making a worthwhile contribution towards the victory. I have spent many a game pounding on britbot shields with plasma until they pop, but that just lowers my own score in comparison to teammates who went looking for easier prey. Here's a suggestion: Damage to physical or ancile shields count 50%. That will incentivize players to take down shields, but should reduce outright cheating somewhat. I also think players should get a damage reward for capping beacons, say, 25k for a white beacon, 25k for turning a red beacon white, and 50k for turning a red beacon blue. How does that sound?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 7:28:46 GMT -5
That's not to mention destroying an Lancelot (without the Ancile) with a Death Button would give you 476K damage each.
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Post by Tatamat on Jun 9, 2017 7:38:09 GMT -5
Yeah, and RDB Griffs would stand in a queue to meet Thunder Raijin.
However, I'd vote for silver reward for beacons. Finally it would make sense to run around in light bots.
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Post by stygianumbra on Jun 9, 2017 8:26:46 GMT -5
Ha.. abused and cheated, like Pixonic customers. Too bad there isn't someone to protect us from them.
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Post by gr3ygh05t on Jun 9, 2017 9:09:21 GMT -5
It should, but then cheaters would then play "deplete each other's ancile and then regenerate" all game long to get 2m damage scores. Cheaters are why we can't have fun toys. Sorry about the -22, but we cannot all get + points every game. EDIT: Forgot cheaters dont like being called cheaters, and debate the semantics. Exploiters, that's the PC term they like. I prefer power gamer but then again it's all semantics
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Post by adrenachrome on Jun 13, 2017 20:07:40 GMT -5
Hope that referred to one of your bots (and not the whole hangar). If yes, not a big deal, sh*t happens. Next time you pick the counterpart to the bot that has popped you. If not, I recommend to diversify weapons. It's hard to play rock-paper-scissors game with hands full of rocks. The point is, with bullet weapons you either have to choose your opponents carefully (i.e. no shield) or be patient. You can somehow deal with Ancile (hoping that someone will follow with rockets salvo), however it's usually a waste of time against physical shields => I'd probably run away from such bot, you're not helping your team by wasting your bot on scratching red's shield.I've tried Punishers shortly as well but I soon came back to proven combination plasma & 300 m rockets & 600 m rockets. Currently, the game simply disqualifies Punishers. There are two types of shield and two types of weapons that pierce it. Bullets fall short in this setup and so are only useful for longer ranges where you can choose who you hit. The day of Punishers will come in case some of following happens: a) A piercing mode is introduced that can go through both types of shields (with reduced damage) b) Damage is buffed so much that you can rip both types of shield apart in reasonable time c) A third type of shield is introduced that blocks plasma & rockets but not bullets I just built a fujin with punishers and have to disagree. Punishers are like the thunder. You have to be close to do damage. Real damage. I can break a Galahad shield and kill the bot with my fujin. I have taken the ancil down, broken the shield and killed a Lancelot with my fujin. But you have to get tight. In there face. I have killed 2 full health Leo without reloading... Punishers Rip!!! At 50 meters....
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 13, 2017 20:51:59 GMT -5
Don't want this to come off as totally mean, but sometimes the recipe calls for some blunt honesty. You shouldn't always be climbing in league. Everyone has "their place". The level of league where they top out. Until their hangar or skill set improves a significant enough amount to bridge the gap to the next tier.
That said, kudos to you for playing as a good teammate and doing what needs to be done without concern for your personal reward. You're a good player for that. Just keep at it, and either your bot levels or your improved skills will eventually start carrying you up again.
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Post by Tatamat on Jun 14, 2017 0:39:37 GMT -5
I just built a fujin with punishers and have to disagree. Punishers are like the thunder. You have to be close to do damage. Real damage. I can break a Galahad shield and kill the bot with my fujin. I have taken the ancil down, broken the shield and killed a Lancelot with my fujin. But you have to get tight. In there face. I have killed 2 full health Leo without reloading... Punishers Rip!!! At 50 meters.... Yes, I agree, Punishers do a hell @ 50m. However already at Silver I Android this is usually mission impossible (don't know the league or OS you play in). The point is that in the beginning of the game, players often forget field awareness. Nothing else can in my eyes justify that you talk about being able to get tight to Lancelot or even Galahad (and still have some HP left). I had problems crossing the 200 m line even with faster and more durable bots than Fujin as everybody knows range of their weapons and won't let you closer (or they hide). Not even taking account the fact that in order to use Fujin's Ancile (and so to add some toughness), you may not move! How do you get close then? I've tried Punishers lately with disappointing results. So far the only gun brawler that works for me is fully loaded Carnage sprinting @ 66 km/h from max 250 m, ideally 200 m. And agree, if you get close to Ancilot, it's much fun. They're often so convinced of their invincibililty that they even don't backpedal or hide. Just yesterday I've taken down one in Shenzen and it has cost me like 20k damage Well, the more I think about it, the more curious I get. Could you possibly give a little bit more detailed story on how your Gal & Lance rip-off story happened? (like league, map, lvl of your Fujin and how you managed to get close).
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Post by adrenachrome on Jun 14, 2017 9:48:17 GMT -5
I just built a fujin with punishers and have to disagree. Punishers are like the thunder. You have to be close to do damage. Real damage. I can break a Galahad shield and kill the bot with my fujin. I have taken the ancil down, broken the shield and killed a Lancelot with my fujin. But you have to get tight. In there face. I have killed 2 full health Leo without reloading... Punishers Rip!!! At 50 meters.... Yes, I agree, Punishers do a hell @ 50m. However already at Silver I Android this is usually mission impossible (don't know the league or OS you play in). The point is that in the beginning of the game, players often forget field awareness. Nothing else can in my eyes justify that you talk about being able to get tight to Lancelot or even Galahad (and still have some HP left). I had problems crossing the 200 m line even with faster and more durable bots than Fujin as everybody knows range of their weapons and won't let you closer (or they hide). Not even taking account the fact that in order to use Fujin's Ancile (and so to add some toughness), you may not move! How do you get close then? I've tried Punishers lately with disappointing results. So far the only gun brawler that works for me is fully loaded Carnage sprinting @ 66 km/h from max 250 m, ideally 200 m. And agree, if you get close to Ancilot, it's much fun. They're often so convinced of their invincibililty that they even don't backpedal or hide. Just yesterday I've taken down one in Shenzen and it has cost me like 20k damage Well, the more I think about it, the more curious I get. Could you possibly give a little bit more detailed story on how your Gal & Lance rip-off story happened? (like league, map, lvl of your Fujin and how you managed to get close). Your perception of the game is your downfall. Your questions says it all. "How do I get so close" Simple... I don't. It's called patience and strategy. I have an ancile shield on my fujin correct.... What's the #1 thing people do to ancil shields.... Try to get inside them... I pepper them a little... Make them mad.... They will chase you I promise. Everyone sees the fujin as weak... Then all of a sudden I have 240k damage rolling out full bore at 16k per second. 10 seconds at 50 meters evaporate most bots... I will have 300k potential when I get all 3 punishers to level 10.
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Post by adrenachrome on Jun 14, 2017 9:55:44 GMT -5
I just built a fujin with punishers and have to disagree. Punishers are like the thunder. You have to be close to do damage. Real damage. I can break a Galahad shield and kill the bot with my fujin. I have taken the ancil down, broken the shield and killed a Lancelot with my fujin. But you have to get tight. In there face. I have killed 2 full health Leo without reloading... Punishers Rip!!! At 50 meters.... Yes, I agree, Punishers do a hell @ 50m. However already at Silver I Android this is usually mission impossible (don't know the league or OS you play in). The point is that in the beginning of the game, players often forget field awareness. Nothing else can in my eyes justify that you talk about being able to get tight to Lancelot or even Galahad (and still have some HP left). I had problems crossing the 200 m line even with faster and more durable bots than Fujin as everybody knows range of their weapons and won't let you closer (or they hide). Not even taking account the fact that in order to use Fujin's Ancile (and so to add some toughness), you may not move! How do you get close then? I've tried Punishers lately with disappointing results. So far the only gun brawler that works for me is fully loaded Carnage sprinting @ 66 km/h from max 250 m, ideally 200 m. And agree, if you get close to Ancilot, it's much fun. They're often so convinced of their invincibililty that they even don't backpedal or hide. Just yesterday I've taken down one in Shenzen and it has cost me like 20k damage Well, the more I think about it, the more curious I get. Could you possibly give a little bit more detailed story on how your Gal & Lance rip-off story happened? (like league, map, lvl of your Fujin and how you managed to get close). I am in diamond league. IOS In this screenshot you can clearly see the dead Lancelot in front of me. You also see my ancile is almost depleted.... I was around the corner in cover. I seen the lance fire his orkans. Knowing he was empty I stepped out and started to pepper. He being a noob charged me full speed shooting 1 rocket at a time LOL. The closer he got the faster his health bar evaporated. Most times I hide and wait for my moment. PDB griff reloading. RDB that just used its jump... Staying in cover and don't engage till you see the whites of their eyes.... Everyone wants to charge a straight line to the beacon... I use the edge of the map to flank and stay in cover. Draw the enemy to my spawn.
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Post by adrenachrome on Jun 14, 2017 10:01:01 GMT -5
You can see in my above post I am on my side of the map. At no time is it necessary to charge to them. Also you can see his reds are in his spawn. I drew the Lancelot into a 1v1. Very important. At this point I hadn't started running full punishers I still had tarans... Punishers are way better.
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Post by adrenachrome on Jun 14, 2017 10:30:51 GMT -5
First assess where the reds are. Then chose a solo bot to approach in cover. This is the best part. I was fighting this Lancelot in this screenshot. Trying to make a post for you.... Showing how he is just on the other side of the barrier from me. Well when I pushed the stupid button that performs 10 functions.... Instead of a screenshot I turned my iPad off SMH.... He walked around and crushed my empty bot. :-( I was about to finish him off too.... Bummer
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Post by Tatamat on Jun 14, 2017 14:18:03 GMT -5
First assess where the reds are. Then chose a solo bot to approach in cover. This is the best part. I was fighting this Lancelot in this screenshot. Trying to make a post for you.... Showing how he is just on the other side of the barrier from me. Well when I pushed the stupid button that performs 10 functions.... Instead of a screenshot I turned my iPad off SMH.... He walked around and crushed my empty bot. :-( I was about to finish him off too.... Bummer Well, thanks a lot, obviously it works for you! Interesting, seems that your battles are much different...
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Post by bilbobaggins on Jun 14, 2017 16:18:25 GMT -5
No wonder my average damage sucks... I get a thrill out of attacking shielded bots with the "wrong" weapons. Shields have hp, so breaking them should count.
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Post by mijapi300 on Jun 14, 2017 19:33:31 GMT -5
No wonder my average damage sucks... I get a thrill out of attacking shielded bots with the "wrong" weapons. Shields have hp, so breaking them should count. This has been brought up before and lots of people favor the idea. The only downside I can think of is people that exploit the game will then use Ancile shields to rack up outrageous damage numbers and make a bunch of silver off it.
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Post by bilbobaggins on Jun 15, 2017 9:53:46 GMT -5
No wonder my average damage sucks... I get a thrill out of attacking shielded bots with the "wrong" weapons. Shields have hp, so breaking them should count. This has been brought up before and lots of people favor the idea. The only downside I can think of is people that exploit the game will then use Ancile shields to rack up outrageous damage numbers and make a bunch of silver off it. Gotcha, then I am strongly against it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 15:58:19 GMT -5
Get PLASMA!
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 16, 2017 22:16:08 GMT -5
Stop using punishers until they are good.
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Post by ancileshutze on Jun 17, 2017 0:31:00 GMT -5
Punishers aren't good. All top players know they aren't good, there is no point in denying it. With the bullet spread they have the same effective range as plasma but plasma does more damage AND pierces anergy shield. They are literally just plasma but worse. Projectile weapons currently have no place in this game they don't do anything special
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