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Post by pirateb0t on Jun 8, 2017 19:34:47 GMT -5
The wsp weapons for ridiculous cash isn't a scam since you don't actually need to buy it to play. It gives an opportunity for a newbie to buy stuff before they can actually have enough to build with workshop. It's a bad deal for players who have been playing a month or longer for sure but it's no scam. In fact with that edge a newbie might be able to farm a lot of gold at lower levels..
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Post by Firebeard on Jun 8, 2017 20:16:15 GMT -5
Interesting read. Pixonic seems to be following a marketing model, that does not suit the relevance of the content. Pixonic has misread their largest demographic. Many games have failed because they catered to a potentially new market while ignoring the established player base, which is guaranteed income. Venetech, Pixonic's main Investor, has absolutely zero mobile gaming experience and this shows. Through both the recent Buffing and rediculous pricing - Pixonic is not solely responsible for the current state of the game. In business Reputation and Image are Everything. This will harm Pixonic .. I believe you are mixing "venture capital" and "owner" here. Back in 2011 Pixx got some money on TechCrunch, that was "venture investment" techcrunch.com/2011/05/31/social-games-publisher-pixonic-raises-5m/"May 31, 2011 - Pixonic, the social games publisher, has raised a $5 million round from VCs Ventech, " But now very KGB-like company who spies on everybody in ex-USSR with the help of social networks, Mail.ru, is the owner of Pixx corp.mail.ru/en/press/releases/9757/"Oct 3, 2016 - Mail.Ru Group will fully consolidate Pixonic from the beginning of Q4 2016" And due to some *cough-cough*Ukraine*cough-cough* reasons, Mail.ru is now pretty ?firetruck?ed up. P.s. I wonder how many posts I can make untill I will ride the sunset with Blastronaut, Insane Demon and Felicia.... " Venture Capitalist" is business lingo for Private Investor. Venetech is head chair and controls majority Share. Venetech assures Pixonic funds each Round - a Round being 90 days - and Pixonic pays Venetech's ROI. Venetech is one of 200 Investors that pool their money under the Mail.ru name to buy businesses and turn them over for Profit. As long as Pixonic can pay the ROI, Pixonic exists. The incident in Ukraine is not a concern. Mail.ru would have shuffled funds out long ago when Crimea broke free. Mail.ru are not hurting .. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 8, 2017 20:35:15 GMT -5
I don't get it... more geckos = better deal or greedier company? Greed level. Also, I find myself wondering where these throngs of newbies are that mindlessly shell out sixty bucks on an in-game promotion before doing even a little bit of looking into it. The only people I know that snap-buy blindly like that are called "whales," and they don't even care. It's kind of surreal to see this much anxiety in a forum where at least half of the members proudly state they don't spend money on mobile/F2P games.  |
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Post by Tatamat on Jun 9, 2017 1:55:46 GMT -5
It's kind of surreal to see this much anxiety in a forum where at least half of the members proudly state they don't spend money on mobile/F2P games. It might mirror the fact that some of them care for more than own business... "Leave no one behind" - it's been long since last time I've seen this motto displayed, still the best I've seen. But as has been said, if the newbies don't care themselves, no need to help them. Edit: And of course, it’s a juicy topic to discuss in case one has no other good quality stuff… |
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Post by Russel on Jun 9, 2017 3:30:44 GMT -5
I believe you are mixing "venture capital" and "owner" here. Back in 2011 Pixx got some money on TechCrunch, that was "venture investment" techcrunch.com/2011/05/31/social-games-publisher-pixonic-raises-5m/"May 31, 2011 - Pixonic, the social games publisher, has raised a $5 million round from VCs Ventech, " But now very KGB-like company who spies on everybody in ex-USSR with the help of social networks, Mail.ru, is the owner of Pixx corp.mail.ru/en/press/releases/9757/"Oct 3, 2016 - Mail.Ru Group will fully consolidate Pixonic from the beginning of Q4 2016" And due to some *cough-cough*Ukraine*cough-cough* reasons, Mail.ru is now pretty ?firetruck?ed up. P.s. I wonder how many posts I can make untill I will ride the sunset with Blastronaut, Insane Demon and Felicia.... " Venture Capitalist" is business lingo for Private Investor. Venetech is head chair and controls majority Share. Venetech assures Pixonic funds each Round - a Round being 90 days - and Pixonic pays Venetech's ROI. Venetech is one of 200 Investors that pool their money under the Mail.ru name to buy businesses and turn them over for Profit. As long as Pixonic can pay the ROI, Pixonic exists. The incident in Ukraine is not a concern. Mail.ru would have shuffled funds out long ago when Crimea broke free. Mail.ru are not hurting .. 1) VC are NOT buying the company. They provide you money for some equity, and they want you to continue doing what you do. As you stated earlier, they have no experience in mobile gaming; they don't need to. Do you think Waren Buffet need to know anything about Cloud technology or machine learning to invest in IBM? 2) You are reading it wrong. Pixonic is no more, it is just a subsidiary of Mailru. Venetech sold it's shares to Mail.ru, making about 400% ROI. I couldn't find details in English, but you can google translate this: www.vedomosti.ru/technology/articles/2016/10/04/659468-mailru-group-priobrela3) I am talking about mail.ru ban over the whole country. Believe me, even with guys\gals using VPN, the downshift of VK\OK\Yandexsearch\Yandexmail\Yandextaxi\MailruEmail is huge. |
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Post by TravLar on Jun 9, 2017 4:12:44 GMT -5
Great article Dredd. I don't have a problem with Pix's marketing. I do spend with them but I don't feel forced to.
Fart bucks... Love it!
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Post by Russel on Jun 9, 2017 6:05:25 GMT -5
Great article Dredd. I don't have a problem with Pix's marketing. I do spend with them but I don't feel forced to.
Fart bucks... Love it!
I'll repeat once more - I spent money on the Event because I almost felt obligated to. Three months into a game (at that moment), I've seen ZERO ad and there were NO is situations when I felt I need to pay. Everything was upgraded at adequate pace, I felt absolutely no need to make more gold that I was making, and my skills were only single thing that was making my progress slower. Love the monetisation model, and regret nothing spent on chests. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 9, 2017 9:20:28 GMT -5
It's kind of surreal to see this much anxiety in a forum where at least half of the members proudly state they don't spend money on mobile/F2P games. It might mirror the fact that some of them care for more than own business... "Leave no one behind" - it's been long since last time I've seen this motto displayed, still the best I've seen. But as has been said, if the newbies don't care themselves, no need to help them. Edit: And of course, it’s a juicy topic to discuss in case one has no other good quality stuff… One hates to be cynical, but I think that your edit is closer to the mark than your initial point.  |
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Post by Tatamat on Jun 9, 2017 12:58:17 GMT -5
It might mirror the fact that some of them care for more than own business... "Leave no one behind" - it's been long since last time I've seen this motto displayed, still the best I've seen. But as has been said, if the newbies don't care themselves, no need to help them. Edit: And of course, it’s a juicy topic to discuss in case one has no other good quality stuff… One hates to be cynical, but I think that your edit is closer to the mark than your initial point. Says the man who has come up with the slogan. The world has turned to its darkest hour...You know, it's a pity we can't see our faces while writing the posts. You can guess if mine is  or  . Some of the posts get slightly different meaning if you imagine the person was acually quite amused while writing it. It was the same with the previous post, but I've realized it might be taken dead serious, hence the edit. |
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Post by Russel on Jun 9, 2017 13:17:43 GMT -5
One hates to be cynical, but I think that your edit is closer to the mark than your initial point. ;) Says the man who has come up with the slogan. The world has turned to its darkest hour...You know, it's a pity we can't see our faces while writing the posts. You can guess if mine is ??? or :) . Some of the posts get slightly different meaning if you imagine the person was acually quite amused while writing it. It was the same with the previous post, but I've realized it might be taken dead serious, hence the edit. Every time when misunderstanding happens (or about to happen) I watch this 2 minutes video |
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Post by make7upyours on Jun 9, 2017 13:30:54 GMT -5
I don't get it... more geckos = better deal or greedier company? Greed level. Also, I find myself wondering where these throngs of newbies are that mindlessly shell out sixty bucks on an in-game promotion before doing even a little bit of looking into it. The only people I know that snap-buy blindly like that are called "whales," and they don't even care. It's kind of surreal to see this much anxiety in a forum where at least half of the members proudly state they don't spend money on mobile/F2P games. I'm one of those who spend money on the game. I will typically play a little and if I think I'm going to continue playing, I'll buy the newbie deals on my 1st or 2nd day. I spent $150 my first month. What kind of sucked was that I spent like $50 on lotto while I was in bronze. I had an incorrect expectation of what was to come because bronze is super easy and silver is a freaking wall. Day and night experience once you cross that threshold. I don't consider myself a whale. But I view these games differently than most I guess. I don't see it as a f2p game. I see it as any other game. And I typically make my first purchase in order to catch up faster so I can start enjoying the core of the game earlier. Honestly though, if I didn't spend any money and experienced silver first, I wouldn't be playing this game right now. I'd have just quit then and there. But I'm too vested now. BTW what do you think about games like Hearthstone and Clash Royale? |
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Post by rook70 on Jun 9, 2017 14:51:15 GMT -5
In the 8 months I've been playing, I've seen only one thing new drop into the game that for Pix doesn't make money- the moon map.
I've spent money. Now I want more new maps and game modes, please.
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Post by Tatamat on Jun 9, 2017 15:19:30 GMT -5
Every time when misunderstanding happens (or about to happen) I watch this 2 minutes video Russel, THAANKS That was it! One more vote from me to make you a Trusted contributor. You rarely miss the bulls eye. |
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Post by Russel on Jun 9, 2017 15:23:22 GMT -5
Every time when misunderstanding happens (or about to happen) I watch this 2 minutes video Russel, THAANKS :D :D :D That was it! One more vote from me to make you a Trusted contributor. You rarely miss the bulls eye. You are welcome =) |
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Post by Firebeard on Jun 10, 2017 17:41:34 GMT -5
" Venture Capitalist" is business lingo for Private Investor. Venetech is head chair and controls majority Share. Venetech assures Pixonic funds each Round - a Round being 90 days - and Pixonic pays Venetech's ROI. Venetech is one of 200 Investors that pool their money under the Mail.ru name to buy businesses and turn them over for Profit. As long as Pixonic can pay the ROI, Pixonic exists. The incident in Ukraine is not a concern. Mail.ru would have shuffled funds out long ago when Crimea broke free. Mail.ru are not hurting .. 1) VC are NOT buying the company. They provide you money for some equity, and they want you to continue doing what you do. As you stated earlier, they have no experience in mobile gaming; they don't need to. Do you think Waren Buffet need to know anything about Cloud technology or machine learning to invest in IBM? 2) You are reading it wrong. Pixonic is no more, it is just a subsidiary of Mailru. Venetech sold it's shares to Mail.ru, making about 400% ROI. I couldn't find details in English, but you can google translate this: www.vedomosti.ru/technology/articles/2016/10/04/659468-mailru-group-priobrela3) I am talking about mail.ru ban over the whole country. Believe me, even with guys\gals using VPN, the downshift of VK\OK\Yandexsearch\Yandexmail\Yandextaxi\MailruEmail is huge. Actually, you're reading it wrong. You're not understanding the context of terms used and how they apply to business. Pixonic is not wholey owned. Suffice it to say, Pixonic is a public company and retains minority Share. |
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Post by Russel on Jun 10, 2017 17:48:44 GMT -5
1) VC are NOT buying the company. They provide you money for some equity, and they want you to continue doing what you do. As you stated earlier, they have no experience in mobile gaming; they don't need to. Do you think Waren Buffet need to know anything about Cloud technology or machine learning to invest in IBM? 2) You are reading it wrong. Pixonic is no more, it is just a subsidiary of Mailru. Venetech sold it's shares to Mail.ru, making about 400% ROI. I couldn't find details in English, but you can google translate this: www.vedomosti.ru/technology/articles/2016/10/04/659468-mailru-group-priobrela3) I am talking about mail.ru ban over the whole country. Believe me, even with guys\gals using VPN, the downshift of VK\OK\Yandexsearch\Yandexmail\Yandextaxi\MailruEmail is huge. Actually, you're reading it wrong. You're not understanding the context of terms used and how they apply to business. Pixonic is not wholey owned. Suffice it to say, Pixonic is a public company and retains minority Share. I can't understand where are you getting false information from. There were no links from you whatsoever. So I'll just post link to Mailru press-release, as well as Forbes, as a trustful source IMO, and call it a day: www.forbes.ru/news/329767-mailru-kupila-razrabotchika-mobilnykh-igr-pixonic-za-30-mlncorp.mail.ru/ru/press/releases/9756/You don't even need to use Google Translate to understand the numbers here: "Mail.Ru Group ???????? ? ???????????? 100% ????????-???????????? ????????? ??? Pixonic. ?????????? ???? ????????? 30 ????????." |
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Post by Firebeard on Jun 10, 2017 18:04:27 GMT -5
Uggh .. you don't even know what the 100% represents .. Anyways, it makes no difference. |
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Post by Russel on Jun 10, 2017 18:19:43 GMT -5
Uggh .. you don't even know what the 100% represents .. Anyways, it makes no difference. Once again, your proofs are just.. well, there were none, except for your words of my incompetence. So I'll just leave it to be. |
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Post by Firebeard on Jun 10, 2017 18:35:54 GMT -5
Uggh .. you don't even know what the 100% represents .. Anyways, it makes no difference. Once again, your proofs are just.. well, there were none, except for your words of my incompetence. So I'll just leave it to be. Ohh, for the love of .. OK, I'm going to give you a quick crash course is Business: There are two (2) types of "wholly owned." Wholly owned: A company that is or has been purchased and absorbed by another Firm, in which the Purchasing company becomes the "Parent" company and controls all financial and directions. Wholly owned - Subsidiary: A company that has sold majority Shares of Class B Stock to another Firm mandating a fiduciary responsibility to Shareholder(s). Pixonic and Venetech control 65/45 Class A Shares, respectively. The fact that Pixonic made this statement: [ "At Pixonic, we’re incredibly proud that our employees truly enjoy their work. As far as this is concerned, nothing will change. I will retain my position as CEO, and Igor will stay on as COO, while the company as a whole won’t undergo any fundamental structural changes.] .. is proof that Pixonic/Venetech retain direction and financial control. Mail.ru is a Shareholder of Common stock (Class B Shares) not Preffered Stock (Class A Shares). |
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Post by Russel on Jun 10, 2017 19:26:20 GMT -5
Once again, your proofs are just.. well, there were none, except for your words of my incompetence. So I'll just leave it to be. Ohh, for the love of .. OK, I'm going to give you a quick crash course is Business: There are two (2) types of "wholly owned." Wholly owned: A company that is or has been purchased and absorbed by another Firm, in which the Purchasing company becomes the "Parent" company and controls all financial and directions. Wholly owned - Subsidiary: A company that has sold majority Shares of Class B Stock to another Firm mandating a fiduciary responsibility to Shareholder(s). Pixonic and Venetech control 65/45 Class A Shares, respectively. The fact that Pixonic made this statement: [ "At Pixonic, we’re incredibly proud that our employees truly enjoy their work. As far as this is concerned, nothing will change. I will retain my position as CEO, and Igor will stay on as COO, while the company as a whole won’t undergo any fundamental structural changes.] .. is proof that Pixonic/Venetech retain direction and financial control. Mail.ru is a Shareholder of Common stock (Class B Shares) not Preffered Stock (Class A Shares). Have no idea why you keep doing this. In software development it's a common practice to buy NOT the product, but the whole team behind the product, leaving team management and name of the bought company intact. Actually, we sold my first place of work to McKesson this way. But no major decision could be done without main company approval from that point onwards. More than that, I am not sure why you keep bringing fancy words here, but I'll support your trend here, for the sake of conversation: Although Class A shares are often thought to carry more voting rights than Class B shares, this is not always the case: Companies will often try to disguise the disadvantages associated with owning shares with fewer voting rights by naming those shares "Class A" and those with more voting rights "Class B." A detailed description of a company's different classes of stock is included in the company's bylaws and charter. Once again, Venetech sold its shares already. I got you a link in my previous posts, you can look it up again. And I'm not sure if you know who Alisher Usmanov (owner of Mailru and former Pixonic) is, but I'll steer clear of this topic, and just point that he is not the kind of businessman you want to speak about your rights and freedom of decision about. |
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Post by Dredd77 on Jun 10, 2017 21:19:13 GMT -5
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Post by SGT D00M! on Jun 10, 2017 21:38:24 GMT -5
Well... You are THE LAW!
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Post by Firebeard on Jun 11, 2017 4:43:44 GMT -5
Ohh, for the love of .. OK, I'm going to give you a quick crash course is Business: There are two (2) types of "wholly owned." Wholly owned: A company that is or has been purchased and absorbed by another Firm, in which the Purchasing company becomes the "Parent" company and controls all financial and directions. Wholly owned - Subsidiary: A company that has sold majority Shares of Class B Stock to another Firm mandating a fiduciary responsibility to Shareholder(s). Pixonic and Venetech control 65/45 Class A Shares, respectively. The fact that Pixonic made this statement: [ "At Pixonic, we’re incredibly proud that our employees truly enjoy their work. As far as this is concerned, nothing will change. I will retain my position as CEO, and Igor will stay on as COO, while the company as a whole won’t undergo any fundamental structural changes.] .. is proof that Pixonic/Venetech retain direction and financial control. Mail.ru is a Shareholder of Common stock (Class B Shares) not Preffered Stock (Class A Shares). Have no idea why you keep doing this. In software development it's a common practice to buy NOT the product, but the whole team behind the product, leaving team management and name of the bought company intact. Actually, we sold my first place of work to McKesson this way. But no major decision could be done without main company approval from that point onwards. More than that, I am not sure why you keep bringing fancy words here, but I'll support your trend here, for the sake of conversation: Although Class A shares are often thought to carry more voting rights than Class B shares, this is not always the case: Companies will often try to disguise the disadvantages associated with owning shares with fewer voting rights by naming those shares "Class A" and those with more voting rights "Class B." A detailed description of a company's different classes of stock is included in the company's bylaws and charter. Once again, Venetech sold its shares already. I got you a link in my previous posts, you can look it up again. And I'm not sure if you know who Alisher Usmanov (owner of Mailru and former Pixonic) is, but I'll steer clear of this topic, and just point that he is not the kind of businessman you want to speak about your rights and freedom of decision about. Unbelievable .. you refuse to understand. Class A Shares ARE the Voting Rights. They ARE Ownership. Class B Shares ARE what You, Me or Anyone buys at the Stock Exchange(s). A corporation only has a fiduciary responsibility to Class B Shareholders to maintain profit margins. A Class B Shareholder CANNOT dictate corporate Policy. They CAN threaten to drive Common Stock prices down by Selling in bulk but the corporation CAN recover by Creating and Selling more Common Stock. You asked for Proof. I showed you Proof, in Pixonic's own statement. You don't understand the terminology and how it applies. |
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Post by Russel on Jun 11, 2017 4:52:44 GMT -5
Have no idea why you keep doing this. In software development it's a common practice to buy NOT the product, but the whole team behind the product, leaving team management and name of the bought company intact. Actually, we sold my first place of work to McKesson this way. But no major decision could be done without main company approval from that point onwards. More than that, I am not sure why you keep bringing fancy words here, but I'll support your trend here, for the sake of conversation: Although Class A shares are often thought to carry more voting rights than Class B shares, this is not always the case: Companies will often try to disguise the disadvantages associated with owning shares with fewer voting rights by naming those shares "Class A" and those with more voting rights "Class B." A detailed description of a company's different classes of stock is included in the company's bylaws and charter. Once again, Venetech sold its shares already. I got you a link in my previous posts, you can look it up again. And I'm not sure if you know who Alisher Usmanov (owner of Mailru and former Pixonic) is, but I'll steer clear of this topic, and just point that he is not the kind of businessman you want to speak about your rights and freedom of decision about. Unbelievable .. you refuse to understand. Class A Shares ARE the Voting Rights. They ARE Ownership. Class B Shares ARE what You, Me or Anyone buys at the Stock Exchange(s). A corporation only has a fiduciary responsibility to Class B Shareholders to maintain profit margins. A Class B Shareholder CANNOT dictate corporate Policy. They CAN threaten to drive Common Stock prices down by Selling in bulk but the corporation CAN recover by Creating and Selling more Common Stock. You asked for Proof. I showed you Proof, in Pixonic's own statement. You don't understand the terminology and how it applies. If you think you showed "proof" then we just speaking different languages here. Feel free to use this quote as a future "proof", too: "you are right, I have absolutely no idea what I am talking about". Take care. |
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Post by Firebeard on Jun 11, 2017 4:58:15 GMT -5
Unbelievable .. you refuse to understand. Class A Shares ARE the Voting Rights. They ARE Ownership. Class B Shares ARE what You, Me or Anyone buys at the Stock Exchange(s). A corporation only has a fiduciary responsibility to Class B Shareholders to maintain profit margins. A Class B Shareholder CANNOT dictate corporate Policy. They CAN threaten to drive Common Stock prices down by Selling in bulk but the corporation CAN recover by Creating and Selling more Common Stock. You asked for Proof. I showed you Proof, in Pixonic's own statement. You don't understand the terminology and how it applies. If you think you showed "proof" then we just speaking different languages here. Feel free to use this quote as a future "proof", too: "you are right, I have absolutely no idea what I am talking about". Take care. Yes, I did show Proof. Pixonic stated it. You didn't understand the context of statement. So, let's forget it, OK? |
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Post by hyderier on Jun 11, 2017 5:22:51 GMT -5
This effect will also cause great game imbalance to the lower newbie league because you can buy weapons and bots that are otherwise not allowed for level 1 players and dominate the battlefield until you reach bronze league. Nah, that's not a concern or change. Getting premium for bonus XP and Ag already allows dominating until half way through the bronze. The new player resource offer also helps but is not essential. I went through there 2 weeks ago with my 2nd account, running Gareth (Puns->plasma), Boa (Thunder, Pun-Orkan) and RDB Griffin... as long as you know what you are doing, you'll dominate. On Android. Now the Amazon/Kindle server is quite different experience, far fewer players so a new player's 1st match against other humans may have level 30 players with heavy bots... but any fancy weapons won't help a new player against these |
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Post by orkannnnnns on Jun 11, 2017 5:51:28 GMT -5
Unbelievable .. you refuse to understand. Class A Shares ARE the Voting Rights. They ARE Ownership. Class B Shares ARE what You, Me or Anyone buys at the Stock Exchange(s). A corporation only has a fiduciary responsibility to Class B Shareholders to maintain profit margins. A Class B Shareholder CANNOT dictate corporate Policy. They CAN threaten to drive Common Stock prices down by Selling in bulk but the corporation CAN recover by Creating and Selling more Common Stock. You asked for Proof. I showed you Proof, in Pixonic's own statement. You don't understand the terminology and how it applies. If you think you showed "proof" then we just speaking different languages here. Feel free to use this quote as a future "proof", too: "you are right, I have absolutely no idea what I am talking about". Take care. Wowwwwwwww you guys!!!! I can't believe the sheer amount of pithy mansplaining that you boys need on this subject. Its just incredible how dead WRONG you both are and frankly I'm just feeling blessed that I could be here today to clear this up for everybody. The terminology, the modi in question, the vectors, the very conceptualization of optioning as a gestalt???...way off-base on all counts you two. Seriously, thank God I'm here right now to stop the violence. An absolute shout-out to Jesus for placing me here in His infinite and divine wisdom to mansplain the intricacies of Business and its manifold attendant jargons. No trouble friends, my pleasure! My remonstrations may seem a tad harsh, but I need to break you down before I can build you up! Up, up into a big, beautiful mansplainer like me!! (By the by, loved the article, Dredd. You put so much work into your pieces and it really shows in the results. I love both Gekko the Gordon and Gekko the laser. Brilliant synergizing, my dude.) I'm going to take you guys way beyond the layperson's understanding of things here into the heart of darkness. Ye shall finally know the truth and be set free. Because I'm about to mansplain So. Hard. to you right now it's Crazy. Truly. Let me break it down for you, peasants... Phase one: The robots on your phone steal your underpants while you are asleep Phase two: ? Phase three: PROFIT Go forth into the dawn of a new day in the bold light of understanding, my children. You're free now. |
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