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Post by jazzykat on Jun 7, 2017 12:44:05 GMT -5
In this meta game, do not buy a Rhino. I have been playing with one for almost 1/2 a year and I've finally benched it due to the RDB + mid/long range party + Buffed Orkans. I used to power run beacons and have it die a glorious death. Now it is getting blown up before I even get to center beacon and without firing a shot. It does not fill any role I need it for where another robot won't be better. If things swing back heavily to plasma (or even bullets) then heck yeah, I'll dust him off. Jazz, I just bought a third Rhino. I've actually found the Rhino to be stronger now; it has more hp than Griffin, making it a better choice for tackling tough targets. I typically drop RDB griffin first, to counter other rocket bots. Second is an Ancile Golem, for pissing off the rest of the red team and dealing with the remaining rockets. Played right, by the time I start dropping rhino's there aren't as many rocket mechs left on the red team. And that's when Rhino comes into its own. What league are you in? I'm in Diamond II and the Rhino seems like a rocket magnet. I'm thinking of investing my gold into a Zeuss Fury to counter the RDB menace and up and coming Dashbot bonanza.
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Post by rags on Jun 7, 2017 12:45:26 GMT -5
Ancile golem.... lol
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Post by adrenachrome on Jun 7, 2017 12:51:14 GMT -5
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Post by rags on Jun 7, 2017 12:56:35 GMT -5
that's really low damage for level 8 plus weapons in low diamond
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Post by adrenachrome on Jun 7, 2017 13:09:02 GMT -5
that's really low damage for level 8 plus weapons in low diamond Not sure I understand. I was in diamond II for the 120 gold. I then faded back too diamond III.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Jun 7, 2017 13:11:37 GMT -5
Jazz, I just bought a third Rhino. I've actually found the Rhino to be stronger now; it has more hp than Griffin, making it a better choice for tackling tough targets. I typically drop RDB griffin first, to counter other rocket bots. Second is an Ancile Golem, for pissing off the rest of the red team and dealing with the remaining rockets. Played right, by the time I start dropping rhino's there aren't as many rocket mechs left on the red team. And that's when Rhino comes into its own. What league are you in? I'm in Diamond II and the Rhino seems like a rocket magnet. I'm thinking of investing my gold into a Zeuss Fury to counter the RDB menace and up and coming Dashbot bonanza. Diamond 2, iOS. Yep, Rhino does attract rocket fire. But, right now everything attracts rocket fire. That's why I wait as long as possible in the game before deploying my Rhinos, to give them the best chance. @ rags, yeah, I originally tried the Ancigolem as a joke, just for fun. It's definitely not the strongest in its class, but it is a fun bot to run. And it's stronger than you'd think. It has better speed than an Ancilot minus Rush, and even though there's no frontal shield, there's comparatively very little plasma out there right now so the lack of a shield is minimized. And Ancigolem has 75% of Ancilot's firepower, and equal firepower to a Gareth. It doesn't kill a ton of enemies, but it does deal damage and it's annoyingly tough to kill. Which is great if you're trying to keep the enemy focused on killing you and forgetting about your team. @ Darkangel, yeah, suicide-bombing an Orkancilot solo is painful even in a DB Rhino. Which is why, I'll only solo an Orkancilot if there's no other option due to the bot being an imminent threat. Fortunately it's rarely necessary to solo an Ancilot - they're even more magnetic than Rhinos. Usually, it's possible to tackle Orkancilots while they're focused on another target, and then the DB melts them in seconds. Griffin, I just find to be a little too glassy; Rhino has enough HP to last long enough to ensure a crippling or killing blow. Tarancilot, not much they can do vs Rhino but die. Cuz two Tarans is nowhere near enough to break a Rhino's shield, and Lancelot can't outrun much of anything.
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Post by mechtout on Jun 7, 2017 13:18:45 GMT -5
Rhino - nay Griffin - yay
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Post by rags on Jun 7, 2017 13:44:23 GMT -5
What league are you in? I'm in Diamond II and the Rhino seems like a rocket magnet. I'm thinking of investing my gold into a Zeuss Fury to counter the RDB menace and up and coming Dashbot bonanza. Diamond 2, iOS. Yep, Rhino does attract rocket fire. But, right now everything attracts rocket fire. That's why I wait as long as possible in the game before deploying my Rhinos, to give them the best chance. @ rags, yeah, I originally tried the Ancigolem as a joke, just for fun. It's definitely not the strongest in its class, but it is a fun bot to run. And it's stronger than you'd think. It has better speed than an Ancilot minus Rush, and even though there's no frontal shield, there's comparatively very little plasma out there right now so the lack of a shield is minimized. And Ancigolem has 75% of Ancilot's firepower, and equal firepower to a Gareth. It doesn't kill a ton of enemies, but it does deal damage and it's annoyingly tough to kill. Which is great if you're trying to keep the enemy focused on killing you and forgetting about your team. @ Darkangel, yeah, suicide-bombing an Orkancilot solo is painful even in a DB Rhino. Which is why, I'll only solo an Orkancilot if there's no other option due to the bot being an imminent threat. Fortunately it's rarely necessary to solo an Ancilot - they're even more magnetic than Rhinos. Usually, it's possible to tackle Orkancilots while they're focused on another target, and then the DB melts them in seconds. Griffin, I just find to be a little too glassy; Rhino has enough HP to last long enough to ensure a crippling or killing blow. Tarancilot, not much they can do vs Rhino but die. Cuz two Tarans is nowhere near enough to break a Rhino's shield, and Lancelot can't outrun much of anything. Ancile golem is whack. Be a real man and troll the ancile in a vityaz.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Jun 7, 2017 14:20:38 GMT -5
For WSP get a carnage, if not, just use a griffin. so much better.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Jun 7, 2017 19:03:19 GMT -5
@ rags, that's a good idea except I don't have an L9 Vityaz ready to go. I already had the Golem, which was why I used it instead. Plus Vityaz doesn't have cool paint schemes available like this one:
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Jun 7, 2017 19:16:16 GMT -5
rhino is a tarancilots worst nightmare xD
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Post by thes1darstard on Jun 9, 2017 15:47:58 GMT -5
I have a Rhino in my hanger that I have not used in a long time. I see very few on the field now, but they have popped up from time to time as mid-rangers (Pin/Tulumbas), which seems interesting, and a set of Molots on the side might be useful too. In general, the idea of the Rhino was to charge in with shield up, allowing you to get into burst range without taking damage, then drop shield and unleash hell. When they first showed in my games they were juggernauts. Now, with other more mobile and powerful shielded bots and all the missile weapons around to deal with them, the Rhino is struggling to find its place. I think a little more speed with shield down and removal of the turning limitation would bring this bot back into the fray in a big way. In the meantime, I'll try a mid-ranger or a combo mid-range (light) and short range (mediums) as a beacon-capper and let you know how it goes! To directly answer your question though: I'd get a Carnage first. Make sure you have 2 heavies ready for it though! You guys are all out in left field. To say the Rhno was meant to charge in with shield up is like following the weapon recommendations when buying a bot..... Not recommended . I bought the rhino with my very first WP points and never looked back. Amazing bot. I have 2 thunders and piñata on my Natasha that eats carnages all day. Carnage is fast and mobile, rhino is fast but not mobile. I have tulu, pins combo. The rhino shield stops all the treb Butches out there now. And it also works very well to clear pesky Galahad from beacons. I had molots and they worked well. I switched to pins because I put the molots on my Leo. I am still working on my Rhino. It is level 8 with level 8 weapons and competes real strong in Diamond II. All my other bots are level 10-12. My level 8 rhino hangs in no problem. I have no issue with a slow bot tho. It is a play style choice. And remember, you get 100% speed boost with shield up which it is ok then. It's just like driving a container ship.... Takes 3 miles and 5 tug boats to turn with the shield up. It does take time to learn how to play. And just because you have a shield doesn't mean you can single handed fight the whole enemy team. You always have to be aware and find the 1 on 1 match up that favors you. I could be out in left field thinking assault mode was meant to help the rhino charge into range.... but certainly that was my experience for a while... seeing what other pilots did and then doing it myself. Regardless... it's not working now. I tried a Russian Rhino, and found it frustrating. Not nearly as maneuverable as my RBD Griffin, and not as much firepower as my Treb/Pin Natasha. As a beacon capper it was a one shot deal. Good for 1 beacon. My Gary can get to places just as fast, and then continue to move side ways or backward with a shield up. Rhinos are popping back into battle more now, perhaps I'll keep my eyes on what they're doing and try a few more build options myself.
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Post by thes1darstard on Jun 9, 2017 15:53:47 GMT -5
rhino is a tarancilots worst nightmare xD I found RBD Griffs and Orkancilots to be far scarier than a Rhino. Just don't under-estimate the Rhino, and wait for his shield to drop. My Lancilot can soak up the pew-pew of the Magnums until I circle the victim.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Jun 9, 2017 16:29:21 GMT -5
rhino is a tarancilots worst nightmare xD I found RBD Griffs and Orkancilots to be far scarier than a Rhino. Just don't under-estimate the Rhino, and wait for his shield to drop. My Lancilot can soak up the pew-pew of the Magnums until I circle the victim. Mainly the DB Rhino. That set up can simply charge headlong into the Lancelot, and then unload underneath the shield.
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Post by CharismaticReaper99 on Jun 9, 2017 16:40:15 GMT -5
Keeping in mind that I'm a looooooowww budget player whose Au's and WP's are hard to come by, and I'm just not in a spot to be pumping real $$$ into the game, I'm eyeballing a Rhino and thinking of saving up my WP's for one before spending them on weapons. I'm still fairly early in the game (just hit level 27 tonight), so I'm not in a good spot yet to be buying expensive bots just to try them out (did that once and ended up scrapping the game and starting over from scratch). I like that it's basically the same weapon setup as the Griffin, just slower, and with Assault mode instead of jump. Does the shield and Assault mode make up for the big speed trade-off? Worthwhile purchase, or are weapons a better choice for WP's at this point in the game? I like this kid already, #Free2Play squad, anyway, I suggest, if you have a PDB (2x Tarans, 2x Magnums) then go for the Griffin, Griffin works great with PDB because of its jump ability, walk in, make robot go boom-boom, jump out. On the other hand, if you have a DB (2x Orkans, 2x Pinatas) , then get the Rhino, Rhino works great for this, Unload 100k damage, retreat behind your shield, reload, repeat. Destruction guaranteed. Definitely go for Rhino, you'll probably hear a ton of people saying "too many missiles right now", but it's just a fad, soon enough, Rhino is due for a buff, missiles reduce, and buh-bam!
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Post by hi5 on Jun 9, 2017 16:48:47 GMT -5
adrenachrome - The Rhino is one of the last bots I'd take in a 1 v 1. Anything that's not Plasma will beat it and it's easily dominated over by all the Britbots (except Gareth). I disagree, respectfully. I welcome 1v1 with Gary, Gala (plasma or Ork - pin/tulu is situational) and Tarancilots with my 9/9 Hellfire Rhino. Thundorkans are to be avoided. RDB and Tridents too. Rhinos are all about geometry and field awareness. And not chasing. As the saying goes, if you use it to charge into the fray you're using it wrong. Took me a long time to get proficient and still a ways to go but I love it. A bull in a China shop, just like me.
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Post by CharismaticReaper99 on Jun 9, 2017 17:06:03 GMT -5
All these Thundorkans, Ancilot, Tarancilot, Taranasaurus Rog got me like
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Post by Ron Gaul on Jun 9, 2017 17:43:52 GMT -5
@ hi5, I agree 100%. My average damage has skyrocketed 80,000 points since I started using three rhinos. I was sitting at 360,000, but now I've jumped to 440,000. That's the best it's been since the advent of the new matchmaker. If my current trend continues, I could very well reach 500,000 by the end of the month. And the only reason my damage has started going back up is because of the rhinos I've added to my hanger.
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