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Post by carvr on Dec 3, 2016 3:04:01 GMT -5
Hello, new player here. (I must say I am playing a computer game called Star Conflict and War Robots is almost literally the same game with robots instead of spaceships. Both are rus games. Reward/task/battle systems are incredibly similar)
Before I ask my questions I want to add that I am aware that most of my questions can be answered by simply browsing forums. I did that and I'm ashamed to say that I couldn't get my head around it in the not-so-much free time I have these days. I spend hours on learning things like these by reading but this time I've hit a rock.
I am currently level 23 with 2.4 avg kills / 170k damage done / 42% win ratio and piloting;
Level 6 Cossack with level 5 Tulumbas - I like my Cossack and using it to cap beacons asap and then start buzzing around red bots, trying to get their attention and make them waste time trying to hit me.
2x Level 6 Patton with level 4-5-6 pinatas, magnums and at spirals - I don't care at all about my Pattons.
Level 6 Carnage with -currently- level 7 thunders. Upgrade to level 8 in progress. - I absolutely love this piece of metal. Mindless dps classes have always been my most favourite in all games. (Also; Is setting weapons 2 levels higher than the robot level a right way? I recently learned about this and started applying it on Carnage.)
I believe I am being put into games according to the strength of my Carnage. Which tier am I currently in? What are the tier names? I see bronze-silver-gold but then there are "low-mid-high" difference aswell?
I did something... It was probably an awful move but I'm not sure. I spent (probably wasted) all the gold that I earned while levelling up to 20 to buy WSP. I think I spent around 3000 or so gold on that. Wondering if it was such a huge mistake that I better find a way to reset all my progress and start anew?
Only WSP items I have are 1 Carnage and 2 magnums and I currently have around 6000 WSP.
I have the 4th slot purchased and nothing else that has been bought by gold. I currently have around 1100 gold.
I'm hoping to get;
1 Fujin, 1 Rhino, probably 1 Stalker -doubt I can find a slot to put a stalker in, though- and more importantly a 2nd Carnage as WSP bots.
2+ Tarans as WSP weapons
1 Rogatka, 1 Gareth, 1 Galahad, 1 Lancelot, and only maybe 1 Fury -but it is too slow for my taste- as gold bots
2+ orkans as gold weapons
Maybe the 5th slot?
Question here is which one would you people go for first? (Please consider that I have no tarans or orkans so if I get a Rhino or Fujin straight away, I will only have 2 magnums and Tulumbas..) I know these are all preference related but it is still good to hear opinions since both gold and wsp take a lot of time to hoard.
I will be buying a Griffin after I get the last thunder level 8 upgrade started and I will most probably throw away my Pattons one by one. Should I get rid of my Cossack too? I enjoy piloting it and I'm currently capping at least 3 beacons with it before I die but I end up doing next to zero damage with it.
I am currently playing for around 10 wins everyday which totals up to roughly 20 battles per day). Wishing to put more hours into this game but so far I simply couldn't do that. Any other recommendations other than the questions I've asked are welcome.
Thanks for reading this text wall.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Dec 3, 2016 3:17:52 GMT -5
This will explain why your Carnage is getting you killed: warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/MatchmakingCarnage (M6/8) is mid-silver-ish battle tier (not that there are actual tiers per se, but that's the convention). The rest of your bots are under-powered relative to it, and "upside-down" meaning that your gun levels are lower that your bot levels. The typical advice is to keep your guns at least 2 levels higher than your bots. Also note that medium bots count more that lights in the matchmaking, and heavies count the most. In commiseration, I did pretty much the same thing to myself with a Griffin. Messed up my game for a few months until I got things caught up and my hanger balanced. |
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Post by carvr on Dec 3, 2016 3:22:14 GMT -5
Rookie
Under pilot level 6
Bronze
Approximately bot level 4 and weapon level 6 for light and medium bots.
Silver
Approximately bot level 6 and weapon level 8 for all bot types.
Gold
Approximately bot level 9 and weapon level 11 for all bot types.
Thanks I completely missed that part in the link.
By the way I wasn't complaining about anything. Carnage gives me 2+ kills at least everytime I pilot it and I'm quite happy with it at this point because I recently started. I'm having my fair share of fun with my current performance and not feeling like I am underperforming hugely even though I become too competitive over time in games like these.
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Dec 3, 2016 3:36:28 GMT -5
So behind the scenes the matchmaker is pitting you against opponents that match your Carnage. Once it's dead, the weaker bots in your hanger will be relative marshmallows and die fast.
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Post by denzark on Dec 3, 2016 4:35:02 GMT -5
So with the above said. Invest in leveling your weapons to 8 asap as well as getting bots to 6.
Good Medium is Boa. Fast tough and only 2 weapons to level.
Or you could start a new accoubt and not spend gold till u got 5 slots and some orkans
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Post by carvr on Dec 3, 2016 5:03:01 GMT -5
Or you could start a new accoubt and not spend gold till u got 5 slots and some orkans That's my main dilemma. Not sure if I spent too much effort on this account to benefit from a new one. How much gold do we get rewarded/earn until we level up to 20? |
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Post by denzark on Dec 3, 2016 5:15:12 GMT -5
Level 23 shouldnt take to do over again.
Possibly just go Thunder Shuze 2-4 for a while.
You will get seal clubbed by tri mag geps from time to time but it will be alright (thunders can get used again on Boa, Leo and Carnage)
Until you have your gold purchases sorted (5th skot, Orkans, Galahad etc..) do not spend it.
20 levels is 1000g (50g per level) plus any 1-10g per win you get plus 60g/day for each mission.
Aim to get 4 mags and tarans before you spend wsp on bots.
Tarans can go on cosacks, Boa. Mags into light weapon slots.
You can also stick with what you have and just push on through.
Do NOT buy:
Noricoms, Zenits, Kang
Natasha
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Post by carvr on Dec 3, 2016 5:41:31 GMT -5
Level 23 shouldnt take to do over again. Possibly just go Thunder Shuze 2-4 for a while. You will get seal clubbed by tri mag geps from time to time but it will be alright (thunders can get used again on Boa, Leo and Carnage) Until you have your gold purchases sorted (5th skot, Orkans, Galahad etc..) do not spend it. 20 levels is 1000g (50g per level) plus any 1-10g per win you get plus 60g/day for each mission. Aim to get 4 mags and tarans before you spend wsp on bots. Tarans can go on cosacks, Boa. Mags into light weapon slots. You can also stick with what you have and just push on through. Do NOT buy: Noricoms, Zenits, Kang Natasha Thanks a lot. Did the mistake of buying natasha before and didnt like it so much that I'm not even counting it as one of my bots. Hmm so 1000 gold. Alright thats not worth it to start a new account then. For some reason I have memory of spending something like 3000 gold but I'm glad I recall it wrongly. Not interested in long range weapons and rockets in general. So you say go for tarans first. I'll take it into consideration, that was my closest choice aswell. I am already in process of spending all the silver I get on upgrading weapons and buying a griffin. Thanks again. Edit: I'm assuming you would tell me to get an Orkan before gold bots. |
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Post by Deadalready on Dec 3, 2016 6:38:53 GMT -5
You didn't exactly do the most optimal thing using your gold like that, but no one would know to be *optimal* unless they spent too much time reading up on it.
I see three options
1: Keep your account and if you're willing put some money in, it'll speed your gold towards getting your 5th slot.
2: Start fresh and save all your easy gold for your 5th slot.
3: Keep your account and just save all your gold from now on.
You should be able to make 100 gold a day fairly easy [x2 daily tasks (30au) + x4ish wins] and at that rate it'll 2 months to save 5k gold anyway.
It really depends how impatient you are, there's really no limit to how long you can take to even out your hanger. There's also no predicting what sales will be around the corner during Christmas.
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Post by carvr on Dec 3, 2016 7:30:03 GMT -5
You didn't exactly do the most optimal thing using your gold like that, but no one would know to be *optimal* unless they spent too much time reading up on it. I see three options 1: Keep your account and if you're willing put some money in, it'll speed your gold towards getting your 5th slot. 2: Start fresh and save all your easy gold for your 5th slot. 3: Keep your account and just save all your gold from now on. You should be able to make 100 gold a day fairly easy [x2 daily tasks (30au) + x4ish wins] and at that rate it'll 2 months to save 5k gold anyway. It really depends how impatient you are, there's really no limit to how long you can take to even out your hanger. There's also no predicting what sales will be around the corner during Christmas. Thanks a lot. I decided to keep the account and progress. Yes even only by captures I'm getting gold in every win which is great. And you practically said the best thing by reminding that the "sale season" is right around the corner. There might be a sale in anything and rus games tend to make big sales on those days. Can even make some combination with earned gold and real money purchases. I will definitely not buy anything except for silver purchases until I see the sales even though I kind of decided to get tarans first for wsp. |
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Post by Divine Thunder on Dec 3, 2016 8:20:16 GMT -5
At level 27, you are still fresh behind the ear.
Inventory the carniage and Invest in some new silver bots, golem, bits, patrons and such. Basically start again.
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Post by carvr on Dec 3, 2016 8:29:37 GMT -5
I already have Leo, natasha and golem. Just bought a griffin and planning on a boa.
But then again I need weapons and I'm not going to buy them until a sale comes up.
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Post by Deadalready on Dec 3, 2016 10:25:05 GMT -5
If you like the carnage, buy two boas put your Thunders on them, then work towards getting Tarans for the both of them. Temporarily you can stick Tulumbas on the medium hard point (they aren't great but they'll go the distance without being upgraded).
My boas easily get 2+ each time I field them (and that's a conservative number) plus they can easily squash those annoying MagGeps when you see them.
I've no problem with the Cossack+Tulum, I ran with the same one for a while. I suggest not wasting your time with being distracting as you will get much more money doing damage in another bot.
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Post by carvr on Dec 3, 2016 10:57:22 GMT -5
Thanks, Deadalready. It's been good insight.
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Post by noname on Dec 3, 2016 11:30:13 GMT -5
4/6 thunder/schutze and cossack/taran brings me 5-10 gold in most matches. I would (did) shelve my early newb purchases and focused on using the cheap 4/6 hanger for a while to build AU, AG and wsp.
Never spend gold on wsp, maybe the first two each day at the most if gold is coming in fast. I average 250 gold per day including the 2 tasks.
Taking those level 6 weapons off the light bots and putting them on lvl 3 or 4 mediums is good gold too, though harder to get the beacon 5.
Don't discount the ugly duckling bots. Schutze/thunder and Boa/thunder/taran or orkan are money bots. Cossack/taran is deadly in the hands of a good pilot. There's more than a few heavies out there wondering how I managed to bring them down.
Use your wsp on weapons first, they will bring you more gold than the bots early on.
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Post by carvr on Dec 3, 2016 12:21:49 GMT -5
Thanks. I just bought a boa now and buying a new Tulumbas for it until christmas sale. I'm enjoying Carnage so much that I can't see myself dropping it. Not that it hugely matters but just had a 8 kill match of which 7 of them were taken by Carnage by simply taunting reds and using cover. I will probably drop the last remaining patton for boa.
I guess I will drop Carnage once to see how much more silver I'm getting in a lower tier. Currently getting 100k to 250k silver and 3+ gold per win.
Yeah not going to get a Rhino until I get 2 orkans and not getting a Fujin until I get 3 tarans. Tbh not getting anything until the sale except for silver purchases.
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Post by denzark on Dec 3, 2016 21:57:31 GMT -5
In answer to earlier question about orkans or bots....
General rule is
Spots>Weapons>Bots
Weapons 2 levels above bot level.
These are general and there can be minor exceptions
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Post by carvr on Dec 10, 2016 13:33:01 GMT -5
Figured I'd type here instead of opening a new thread;
Made cossack-patton-vityaz/golem-boa hangar at level 6 and it is working better for farming. Battles are so much easier.
Now I am at 14000 WSP and I have been wondering if WSP stash can not exceed 15000. Can we hoard more than 15000 wsp? Would more than that just vanish? Going to hit 15000 before sales are going to be up so I better buy something if cap is 15000.
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Post by boomsplat on Dec 10, 2016 13:57:39 GMT -5
Yes - I don't know if there is an upper limit to anything on silver, gold and wsp. I've got 22k wsp right now...
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Post by carvr on Dec 10, 2016 14:06:43 GMT -5
Oh thanks. I can keep hoarding then.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Dec 10, 2016 15:51:51 GMT -5
I have well over 50k wsp saved. In top end hangars you're not gonna need very much once you're equipped.
My recommendation:
Gold
1. 5th slot. Always, always slots before bots.
2. Orkans, minimum 4 to play in top tier (preferably 6).
3. Either Galahad/Lance or Aphids (assuming Aphids aren't nerfed to hell in the future). Dependent on play style and tier level.
4. Only consider a Fury if you've fulfilled all of these and have the tridents necessary to equip.
Wsp
1. Tarans, no more than 4 for a top hangar (you'll probably drop down to using 2 once you have enough Orks).
2. Magnums, 4 is probably a sweet spot, but you can always pick up a couple more down the road.
3. Rhino, have at least one in your hangar. It's an excellent mix of speed, dps, hp in top tier. It's become a great dedicated beacon runner for top hangars.
4. Tridents, at least 2 for a Carn or 3 if you're planning on a Fury.
5. Additional Carnage or Rhino.
6. "Play around" bots and weapons. Fujins, Stalkers, and other bots and weapons only after filling out the prior shopping list.
Seriously start saving your silver and only upgrade what you're going to use in top end. Everything counts as upgrades get really expensive later. For instance: Maxing a DB Griffin going from 11-12 is 97 million silver alone. Maxing a 5 slot from 11-12 will run you near half @ billion silver, so plan accordingly.
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Post by carvr on Dec 10, 2016 22:40:40 GMT -5
Yes I am saving up on everything at the moment and upgrading according to what I'm planning to have in my hangar.
I'm seeing lots of people with level 10-13 weapons. (Usually geps)
I've got mediums as the heaviest bots in my hangar at level 6 and weapons at level 8. How many more levels can I upgrade my weapons and still stay in this same bracket/tier? For example level 6 boa with level 8 thunder and tulumbas. How much higher can I get my weapons and stay in the same tier?
Also I'm planning to get a rhino as my next wsp bot. What kind of a bot/weapon level combination can I have on it to stay in this same tier(that I am currently in with my boa)?
Ultimately I'm planning to get a hangar of carnage+rhino+griffin+one of the Camelot bots+fujin or another Camelot bot.
I see many people not following this "Weapons 2 levels higher than bots" thing so I'm assuming it is just an easy but not a precise way of arranging hangar.
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Post by Ѕπλκε✵Σψεs on Dec 10, 2016 23:35:32 GMT -5
Figured I'd type here instead of opening a new thread; Made cossack-patton-vityaz/golem-boa hangar at level 6 and it is working better for farming. Battles are so much easier. Now I am at 14000 WSP and I have been wondering if WSP stash can not exceed 15000. Can we hoard more than 15000 wsp? Would more than that just vanish? Going to hit 15000 before sales are going to be up so I better buy something if cap is 15000. I have over 76k WSP, no limit thus far. keep bots where they are work on weapons |
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Post by Ѕπλκε✵Σψεs on Dec 10, 2016 23:41:05 GMT -5
Yes I am saving up on everything at the moment and upgrading according to what I'm planning to have in my I see many people not following this "Weapons 2 levels higher than bots" thing so I'm assuming it is just an easy but not a precise way of arranging hangar. As for the 2 level minimum, it depends. if you play in gold tier, it doesn't matter as much as most are getting their bots 9+ and their weapons 10+ but if you play in bronze or especially in silver, you have to keep very close attention to bot levels, too high such as level 6 and if you upgrade your weapons beyond 7-8, you might find yourself against gold level robots like 8-9/10-12 |
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Post by carvr on Dec 10, 2016 23:51:46 GMT -5
Problem is that I'm not entirely sure of the name of the tier I'm playing in. Heaviest bots at the moment are mediums and they are at level 6 with weapons at level 8. Is this the silver tier?
Currently have 15k wsp, 2.5k gold and 10m silver and hoarding for possible new year/Christmas sales.
I have my shopping list in schedule, just not sure of how high I can get a Rhino and its weapons up to stay in this tier.
I appreciate all the replies, though.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 10, 2016 23:52:12 GMT -5
Problem is that I'm not entirely sure of the name of the tier I'm playing in. Heaviest bots at the moment are mediums and they are at level 6 with weapons at level 8. Is this the silver tier? Currently have 15k wsp, 2.5k gold and 10m silver and hoarding for possible new year/Christmas sales. I have my shopping list in schedule, just not sure of how high I can get a Rhino and its weapons up to stay in this tier. that's low silver. |
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Post by carvr on Dec 10, 2016 23:55:24 GMT -5
Problem is that I'm not entirely sure of the name of the tier I'm playing in. Heaviest bots at the moment are mediums and they are at level 6 with weapons at level 8. Is this the silver tier? Currently have 15k wsp, 2.5k gold and 10m silver and hoarding for possible new year/Christmas sales. I have my shopping list in schedule, just not sure of how high I can get a Rhino and its weapons up to stay in this tier. that's low silver. Great, finally I know! What would be a good formula for a heavy wsp/gold bot and its weapons that will fight in low silver? I'd appreciate if someone tells the medium and high silver tiers versions of these numbers too. |
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 10, 2016 23:59:07 GMT -5
Great, finally I know! What would be a good formula for a heavy wsp/gold bot and its weapons that will fight in low silver? I'd appreciate if someone tells the medium and high silver tiers versions of these numbers too. heavy WSP/gold bots aren't worth taking into low silver, as they'd have to be around 6/2 to fit in. Medium WSP bots would have to be around 6/5, and lights 6/8. Keep in mind that's the penalty goes to your highest rated bot, so you'd have to make your other mediums 6/5 or 4/6, and your lights 4/9 or 6/8. |
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Post by carvr on Dec 11, 2016 0:07:21 GMT -5
Great, finally I know! What would be a good formula for a heavy wsp/gold bot and its weapons that will fight in low silver? I'd appreciate if someone tells the medium and high silver tiers versions of these numbers too. heavy WSP/gold bots aren't worth taking into low silver, as they'd have to be around 6/2 to fit in. Medium WSP bots would have to be around 6/5, and lights 6/8. Keep in mind that's the penalty goes to your highest rated bot, so you'd have to make your other mediums 6/5 or 4/6, and your lights 4/9 or 6/8. Sorry but I have to ask this as I'm not entirely sure yet; 6/2 is... level 6 bot with level 2 weapons? As in first number refers to bot level and the second refers to weapon level? |
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Post by ł⸰§ĦȺĐ◎ŴƧŦḀɌ on Dec 11, 2016 0:07:40 GMT -5
See also: The tier names are made up entirely by us players as a convenient method to describe various levels of equipment. There are very few hard lines in the matchmaker system except Rookie tier, which disallows fancier bots and guns. TBH I think I've been over-estimating my own tier names for some time now, thinking that my top level bots were in low gold but really they are mid-silver and get dragged into high-silver occasionally. Yeah, blurry lines. The short-code for bots is typically [Class] [Bot Level]/[Average Gun Level], for example L4/6 would be Light bots at level 4 with level 6 guns. A lot of folks drop the class distinction but you shouldn't. Medium bots push you into higher tiers than light bots do, and same for heavies vs mediums & lights, so M3/3 is about equal to L4/6... Confused yet? Yeah, so are we  Study this... warrobots.wikia.com/wiki/Matchmaking |
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