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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 20:27:31 GMT -5
I love the carnage bot. Just reached lvl 29 today and purchased it. Have been having so much fun as support knife. Such a versatile bot. A clintch hitter. .5sec staggered ecc thunders (mowin the lawn) top 3 all the time now. I read it's a nimble sniper. Any comments or suggestions/MAPS for a long range Carnage?
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Dec 2, 2016 20:48:07 GMT -5
I just got the Trident Carnage and it's awesome. Too bad it dies to treb nats. Such large improvement over the midranger golem i used. My first taste of a wsp bot and it was awesome. Saving up for a rhino rn.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 21:02:20 GMT -5
I just got the Trident Carnage and it's awesome. Too bad it dies to treb nats. Such large improvement over the midranger golem i used. My first taste of a wsp bot and it was awesome. Saving up for a rhino rn. Found that staying in a group...behind a rhino, leo for initial barage helps. then Rush around to stagger double tap with ecc. SUCKKKY ThiNG THAT THE PLASMA EATS through shields ilke butter. Best defence is a good Defensive close corner and a fresh dash. i like that it causes fear when enemies see the blue shield on a camped beacon. gives EXTRA TIME TO CAMP/defend I FIND
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 21:09:53 GMT -5
Can The Carnage hold up in high Gold. If not when should we stop leveling it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 21:10:43 GMT -5
Can The Carnage hold up in high Gold. If not when should we stop leveling it?
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 2, 2016 21:39:27 GMT -5
Yes @goatreaper, it holds up from high silver up to max tier.
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Dec 2, 2016 21:42:28 GMT -5
I've had a Carnage for month and kept dying, only recently started having success and yes, it's one of my favorites now. .5sec staggered ecc thunders ... Rush around to stagger double tap with ecc. I've seen this but how do you do it? Are you saying you press one thunder followed by the other a half second later? But then you have to hold both fingers down and somehow pan direction, sounds clumsy, or do you use a gamepad? Oh, I see, you press a thunder then hold the red button and they continuously alternate. Very cool. Thanks for the hint. Is there any advantage in actually causing more damage this way or is it just the psychological aspect of relentless fire?
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Post by Noreceipts400 on Dec 2, 2016 22:02:27 GMT -5
You use it against plasma shields, especially the fujin with the fast recharge time. Even a tiny bit of shield up will absorb one shot of anything, so you alternate them so one thunder depletes shield and the other does damage. The thunder carnage is also one of my favourites, as earlier mentioned on larger maps use other people as cover to get within roughly 150m or closer to do maximum damage. I tend to start off with it on Shenzhen, dead city and powerplant to get into position before enemy bots are scattered on the map. Obviously avoid plasma and don't underestimate Galahad or Gareth's and when possible attack opponents when they aren't facing you.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Dec 2, 2016 22:32:55 GMT -5
Carnage is effective paired with two of almost any heavy weapon.
2x Thunder, ambush knifer. Nothing quite matches the Carnage's combination of speed and point-blank ability to demolish in this format...it's like hitting someone repeatedly in the face with a chair.
2x Trident, mobile anti-armor support unit. If it has physical shields, for example if the name of the target begins with "G" and ends with "alahad", this is the long stick you want to poke it with from a safe distance.
2x Trebuchet, mobile anti-midrange unit. If, while poking a Galahad with your pair of long, Tridenty sticks, you discover that a Fury is targeting you with THREE long, Tridenty sticks, and you die...this is the long, yellow-glowy-stick-thingy you will want for poking back. And believe me, this will hurt him much more than it hurts you.
2x Kwk, mobile bombardment sniper. If you like keeping big enemy bots pinned down from afar, or blasting smaller targets at middle ranges, and just generally spreading as much pain and suffering as possible while receiving in return the bare minimum yourself, the Kwk Carnage deals more DPM than the Treb. And has more range than Trident.
2x Zeus, mobile soft-target destroyer. Nobody likes getting struck by lightning. Especially not once every five seconds. By two bolts of lightning. Stalkers and Gepard are rapidly toasted by this setup, and Griffin is also highly edible. Shields are problematic, but that's what teammates are for. To protect you while you protect them, or to serve as target practice for the enemy team while you hide in a hole.
Against shield bots, wait for them to be occupied with facing your teammates and turn their shields away from you. Then use the opportunity to remind them exactly why they kept that shield pointing your way.
2x Zenit, because laughter is the best medicine. And because the only thing more pathetic than this is a 2x Ancile Carnage.
Speaking of which...
2x Ancile, because clearly you have far more money than brains. Or you're a troll. Or both.
2x Kang...meh. Until Kang is buffed, there's no reason to run Kang over Kwk on a Carnage. Carnage makes its living by shooting everything. And then shooting everything some more. And then...
Carnage is wasted using Kang. It simply doesn't fire often enough to make use of the Carnage's key strength: mobility. Carnage isn't useful because it has two heavy hard points - Natasha also has two heavy hard points. So does Raijin. Carnage is great because it's able to run like a light bot and punch like a heavy. But it needs to actually run.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Dec 2, 2016 22:37:42 GMT -5
For the record, I own three Carnages. Debating buying a 4th...building a 5-Carnage hangar sounds highly amusing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 23:03:55 GMT -5
I've had a Carnage for month and kept dying, only recently started having success and yes, it's one of my favorites now. .5sec staggered ecc thunders ... Rush around to stagger double tap with ecc. I've seen this but how do you do it? Are you saying you press one thunder followed by the other a half second later? But then you have to hold both fingers down and somehow pan direction, sounds clumsy, or do you use a gamepad? Oh, I see, you press a thunder then hold the red button and they continuously alternate. Very cool. Thanks for the hint. Is there any advantage in actually causing more damage this way or is it just the psychological aspect of relentless fire? Staggered fire prevents shield regen on other ancile bots, and at close range, the alternating fire will allow an extra reload fire for the first Thunder. It also compensates for serverside damage lag, sometimes it takes a moment for a kill to register when the opposing bot reaches 0, their projectiles still hit you until you see the bot 'pop' staggering, constant damage seems to cut that delay altogether.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2016 23:04:54 GMT -5
For the record, I own three Carnages. Debating buying a 4th...building a 5-Carnage hangar sounds highly amusing. Thunder x2 Zues Trident Kwk? DOOOO EEEIIIITTT
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Post by pilotp2ltb on Dec 3, 2016 1:22:28 GMT -5
Don't be surprised if you have a rude awakening when you hit level 30 and the mm moves you into low gold regardless of bot or weapon level. If the rest of your hangar is silver you might need to put the carnage in storage for awhile until everything else catches up.
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Post by Loop_Stratos on Dec 3, 2016 3:38:22 GMT -5
Don't be surprised if you have a rude awakening when you hit level 30 and the mm moves you into low gold regardless of bot or weapon level. If the rest of your hangar is silver you might need to put the carnage in storage for awhile until everything else catches up. Since when did level 30=gold tier apply?
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Post by Noreceipts400 on Dec 3, 2016 17:57:37 GMT -5
For the record, I own three Carnages. Debating buying a 4th...building a 5-Carnage hangar sounds highly amusing. Thunder x2 Zues Trident Kwk? DOOOO EEEIIIITTT 5x thunder carnage=fun on close maps and dead on almost everything else
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Post by Ron Gaul on Dec 3, 2016 18:50:15 GMT -5
For the record, I own three Carnages. Debating buying a 4th...building a 5-Carnage hangar sounds highly amusing. Thunder x2 Zues Trident Kwk? DOOOO EEEIIIITTT Still need my second Zeus, but I've already got Trebs, Tridents, and Thunders leveled. My Kwk's could use leveling though they're at 5 and 6 currently, which is okay for the short-term. I think I'll do it. ?
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 3, 2016 19:23:53 GMT -5
Thunder x2 Zues Trident Kwk? DOOOO EEEIIIITTT Still need my second Zeus, but I've already got Trebs, Tridents, and Thunders leveled. My Kwk's could use leveling though they're at 5 and 6 currently, which is okay for the short-term. I think I'll do it. ? youll find Treb carnage to be too weak, and Kwk carnage to be only useful against furies, however upgrading them isn't a bad idea, as you can use both on a fury.
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Post by Ron Gaul on Dec 3, 2016 20:00:18 GMT -5
Still need my second Zeus, but I've already got Trebs, Tridents, and Thunders leveled. My Kwk's could use leveling though they're at 5 and 6 currently, which is okay for the short-term. I think I'll do it. ? youll find Treb carnage to be too weak, and Kwk carnage to be only useful against furies, however upgrading them isn't a bad idea, as you can use both on a fury. True on both counts. I'm mainly doing this because to my knowledge it hasn't been done yet.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 3, 2016 20:06:56 GMT -5
Probably because it's 65k WSP lol
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Post by Ron Gaul on Dec 3, 2016 20:32:48 GMT -5
So it's expensive, time-consuming, and of dubious value? I'm all in. ?
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Post by SoCalGrndR on Dec 3, 2016 22:02:02 GMT -5
I just purchased a Carnage myself 2 days ago. The Carnage will be level 7 in about 20 hours. The rest of my hanger is level 6 hvys with 7-8 weps. I am firmly in low gold I believe. I am running it w 2 lvl 7 Thunders, it definitely is upping my ave. damage number. It is still very squishy at level 6. Hopefull w speed & armor / shield increase it will be noticeable.
Defintely fun playing - I am at 13000 ws points now, so will will be getting 2x tridents for mid range in a few days!
One thing I really like about the game is the diversity of bots and weps to fit different styles of play. I also run a Galahad and 3 Griffs - I sub my Rhino in and out with the griffs. I like to have variety! I wish we could open a 6th slot or have an option to swap a bot or 2 before game starts.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 3, 2016 22:29:09 GMT -5
I am at 13000 ws points now, so will will be getting 2x tridents for mid range in a few days! i got 3 trebuchets solely to take out stalkers and trident carnages. Trident carnages may not do the most damage as a midrange bot, but they are a real pain in the 「bum-bum」 to kill and certainly more than just an annoyance.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Dec 4, 2016 0:44:55 GMT -5
IMO, the Carnage is only good with dual Thunders and only good in TT. I have 2 of them in TT and I've tried every setup on them except Anciles and Trebs. All other weapons other than Thunders just don't cause enough damage to actually hurt a red bot or cause them to slow down, so you aren't really doing much for your team. Additionally, if you use anything other than Thunders, there's another bot that can do it better.
I've found that whether it be solo or squadin in TT, the only way to play a Carnage is with Thunders and in the close support role. The Rush goes for a good 200+m easy and that means you can shadow blue heavies at from pretty far away before you start your run to join the fight unexpected. If you strategically place yourself behind cover and close enough to blue bots, you can be there blues that "look" like there are solo because you are over 200m away --- then bang, you Rushing in to fiorm a 2-vs-1. This is the way to play the Carnage.
Of course if the Protolot gets here, the Carnage will be transformed completely --- something I've been waiting for months.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 4, 2016 0:56:40 GMT -5
Of course if the Protolot gets here, the Carnage will be transformed completely --- something I've been waiting for months. still going on about that protolot
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Post by War Child on Dec 4, 2016 1:04:59 GMT -5
Alpha,welcome back,just noticed your a cossack.BTW trident/zues carnage is way better than a conventional trident/pin leo/natasha.I would rank mid range carnage the same or higher compared to an RDB griffin.plus the tridents can be leveled higher than using heavies as a platform.plus again,the tridents can be used for a future fury.
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Post by EatStinkyTofu on Dec 4, 2016 2:15:39 GMT -5
Double ancile carnage sounds like silly fun... you could escort a couple DB Rhinos or Lancelots or something. If that didn't work, then your teammates would just hate you.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 4, 2016 2:17:47 GMT -5
Alpha,welcome back,just noticed your a cossack.BTW trident/zues carnage is way better than a conventional trident/pin leo/natasha.I would rank mid range carnage the same or higher compared to an RDB griffin.plus the tridents can be leveled higher than using heavies as a platform.plus again,the tridents can be used for a future fury. trident carnage isn't quite as good as the RDB griffin, but it's definitely quality.
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Post by Team Alpha Strike on Dec 4, 2016 2:55:44 GMT -5
I just haven't seen Carnages in Zeus or Trident setups played in Gold/Top tier where they make much of a difference.
Galahads crunch them easily and they are helpless against even a mag Stalker due to low damage dealt.
Mostly, I've seen pilots stay in those bots too long and let themselves get caught in a 1-vs-1.
I think that either setup will be obsolete once the switch bots arrive. With only 5 bot slots, it would difficult to justify using a Zeus/Trident Carnage that causes so little damage compared to the new medium and heavy bots.
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 4, 2016 2:59:57 GMT -5
I just haven't seen Carnages in Zeus or Trident setups played in Gold/Top tier where they make much of a difference. Galahads crunch them easily and they are helpless against even a mag Stalker due to low damage dealt. Mostly, I've seen pilots stay in those bots too long and let themselves get caught in a 1-vs-1. I think that either setup will be obsolete once the switch bots arrive. With only 5 bot slots, it would difficult to justify using a Zeus/Trident Carnage that causes so little damage compared to the new medium and heavy bots. heavy bot does less damage than the fury and lacks mobility. The medium has better DPS than the RDB Griffin, and is faster, so It will probably outperform the RDB Griffin, which outperforms the trident carnage already.
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Post by Deadalready on Dec 4, 2016 3:02:07 GMT -5
I can't wait till I can tier up and afford the Carnage, it seems like my sort of fun
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