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Post by hereforprizes on Aug 19, 2024 20:10:47 GMT -5
Now we all know the game is rigged, and you can usually tell the pre-determined outcome of a match 5 seconds after it starts, but I have never experienced such a run of blatantly rigged matches as those over the last week or so. I clearly don’t spend enough because every time I hit Legend League I cannot win a match. I finish first loser most of the time, so stay in Legend League, but can’t win. If I drop to chump league 2 overnight I’ll win again, until I hit Legend League. I’m now around 80th in LL with a 10% win rate - shall I try to grind it out ‘till 0%?
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Post by gus169 on Aug 19, 2024 21:46:09 GMT -5
you'll never get to 0%, any more than you'll get 100% protection from defense points. it plots a curve  |
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Post by T34 on Aug 19, 2024 22:54:56 GMT -5
One of the parameters that goes into Matchmaking is cup points. Each team has roughly the same cups. Since your are so high in the league, your team mates are likely to have fewer cups and in general be less competent in terms of outcome. Hence you lose a lot if soloing.
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Post by hereforprizes on Aug 20, 2024 0:44:05 GMT -5
One of the parameters that goes into Matchmaking is cup points. Each team has roughly the same cups. Since your are so high in the league, your team mates are likely to have fewer cups and in general be less competent in terms of outcome. Hence you lose a lot if soloing. Ah, that is useful to know. I solo almost exclusively. |
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Post by easystrider on Aug 20, 2024 18:09:53 GMT -5
One of the parameters that goes into Matchmaking is cup points. Each team has roughly the same cups. Since your are so high in the league, your team mates are likely to have fewer cups and in general be less competent in terms of outcome. Hence you lose a lot if soloing. Ah, that is useful to know. I solo almost exclusively. I might ruffle some feathers here by saying that if you are running in a squad against randoms it's as much of a "cheat" as paying money to Pixonic to give you an advantage. Btw, I don't think the game is "rigged" in the way many people think it is. It's simply that being at certain level in a given league the game expects you to have hangar of certain power. If you don't, then you are being matched against people with much stronger hangar and your win rate will suffer. I see it all the time too, as I raise through Champions League through the season my W/L rate drops since I don't use meta. |
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Post by killmenow on Aug 21, 2024 0:38:37 GMT -5
i have many many times been to the edge of champion league , they have algorithms in place to push you back down unless you pay.
when i'm near champ league as in the few games needed for the promotion i'm put against squad after squad after squad all of them meta every single time ...last few where last week when i was 2 games off the promotion and i was put against NINE! squads in a row one after the other my team consisted of master1 down to expert3 our team running things such as leo's nats and some reasonable bots ...their team ALL raptors , curies , shenlou's our team obliterated in seconds......i come fist in all of these matches on my team if i stay but it's a clear loss either way.
as of me speaking out about blatant rigging and such i'm no longer able to play lol .....if i load the game i now get a black screen and soon after a game crash , this began very soon after i made my last post pmsl so i can confidently say someone from there is watching these forums so be very careful if you want to continue playing...which i couldn't care less really because i have plenty of other games to play and the new robot game when it's out
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Post by dinnerplain on Aug 21, 2024 1:01:05 GMT -5
i have many many times been to the edge of champion league , they have algorithms in place to push you back down unless you pay. when i'm near champ league as in the few games needed for the promotion i'm put against squad after squad after squad all of them meta every single time ...last few where last week when i was 2 games off the promotion and i was put against NINE! squads in a row one after the other my team consisted of master1 down to expert3 our team running things such as leo's nats and some reasonable bots ...their team ALL raptors , curies , shenlou's our team obliterated in seconds......i come fist in all of these matches on my team if i stay but it's a clear loss either way.
You need to stop playing more than 1 robot in such matches. There's no point except to give the reds more silver (from killing you) and more Intel. There's literally 0 benefit being in such games as the seal being clubbed.
If only Pixonic spent more time reading this forum and taking note of the issues we face! I had a similar issue to the "black screen"/game crash, where it would load and do nothing (for the entire last event.) Latest update fixed that.
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Post by killmenow on Aug 21, 2024 1:13:44 GMT -5
i have many many times been to the edge of champion league , they have algorithms in place to push you back down unless you pay. when i'm near champ league as in the few games needed for the promotion i'm put against squad after squad after squad all of them meta every single time ...last few where last week when i was 2 games off the promotion and i was put against NINE! squads in a row one after the other my team consisted of master1 down to expert3 our team running things such as leo's nats and some reasonable bots ...their team ALL raptors , curies , shenlou's our team obliterated in seconds......i come fist in all of these matches on my team if i stay but it's a clear loss either way.
You need to stop playing more than 1 robot in such matches. There's no point except to give the reds more silver (from killing you) and more Intel. There's literally 0 benefit being in such games as the seal being clubbed.
If only Pixonic spent more time reading this forum and taking note of the issues we face! I had a similar issue to the "black screen"/game crash, where it would load and do nothing (for the entire last event.) Latest update fixed that.
this crash/black screen started right after that last post - i have fully uninstalled and re-installed the game including clearing out all reg entries and it's still the same , after the game loads (loading screen) it's fine to the point it hangs there then loads a black screen hanger i can't do anything , as for one bot matches i played my FULL hanger to try get to champion i can make it to the brink until i hit that rigged wall.....so i guess i'll go back to 1 bot. about the crashes , all my other games are fine and without issue and this game was fine until ....that post lol. |
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Post by T34 on Aug 21, 2024 6:57:59 GMT -5
Ah, that is useful to know. I solo almost exclusively. Btw, I don't think the game is "rigged" in the way many people think it is. It's simply that being at certain level in a given league the game expects you to have hangar of certain power. If you don't, then you are being matched against people with much stronger hangar and your win rate will suffer. I see it all the time too, as I raise through Champions League through the season my W/L rate drops since I don't use meta. In this instance, this isn’t about the game being rigged or expectations. What happens as even stated by pixonic, is that the blues and reds have roughly the same number of combined cups after match makin. That’s the way pixonic tries to balance both sides. This has held to be true when I analysed match making a while ago. Now let’s say OP has 20K cups this season. His team will have a combined cups 20K + 5x4K cups. The red team will have say 7K cups each and hence both sides are close to being equal in terms of total cups. However, guess which team is going to win. That’s why OP has a terrible win rate and in a way he is being encouraged to squad up. Or join the dark side in FFA This aspect distorts matchmaking after a while and that’s I suppose one reason why the leagues have to be reset once a month. But there is way more to matchmaking than meets the eye imo. |
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Post by easystrider on Aug 21, 2024 9:27:27 GMT -5
Btw, I don't think the game is "rigged" in the way many people think it is. It's simply that being at certain level in a given league the game expects you to have hangar of certain power. If you don't, then you are being matched against people with much stronger hangar and your win rate will suffer. I see it all the time too, as I raise through Champions League through the season my W/L rate drops since I don't use meta. In this instance, this isn’t about the game being rigged or expectations. What happens as even stated by pixonic, is that the blues and reds have roughly the same number of combined cups after match makin. That’s the way pixonic tries to balance both sides. This has held to be true when I analysed match making a while ago. Now let’s say OP has 20K cups this season. His team will have a combined cups 20K + 5x4K cups. The red team will have say 7K cups each and hence both sides are close to being equal in terms of total cups. However, guess which team is going to win. That’s why OP has a terrible win rate and in a way he is being encouraged to squad up. Or join the dark side in FFA This aspect distorts matchmaking after a while and that’s I suppose one reason why the leagues have to be reset once a month. But there is way more to matchmaking than meets the eye imo. Not disputing anything you wrote, just saying there has to be one additional factor there. If, going by example above, OP with 20k cups compares who are the other players with same number of cups then I think the chances are these players will have stronger hangars with more meta gear. In other words, the MM is expecting OP to carry the game and if he doesn't have a hangar to do it then losses will follow. We can look at other 20k cup players and I can bet they do not have ~10% win rate, to the contrary, I expect most of them to be in 60-70% range or better. I actually did this "study" for myself. I was a Champions League player with 6k cups and roughly 20-30% win rate. So I looked at my Champions League standing and started checking who were the other players with ~6k cups. Turned out, many of them had one or more meta highly leveled bots such as dagon, curie, shenlou and/or raptor. I had none of those, not to mention I was still running nodens. The less I played and less cups I had the higher my W/L since the closer I was to 5k cups the better I fit with other players with same number of cups. Now we all know this is bogus system because it fails to account for many other factors. For example, player with 10k cups and meta gear is not worth two players with 5k cups who just crossed from master and have no meta gear. But this all fine for Pixonic since with this system if you are not spending you eventually end up in a company of players where you don't belong. Where you have two choices, either spend and belong or be the player who helps paying players to crack above 50% W/L rate. The MM doesn't have to be "rigged" as people think, this simple scheme gets Pixonic exactly what they want. I'd say the only part that can be considered "rigged" here is the one where you get too many points for weak wins and too few point deductions for bad losses. This way if you play semi-decently and go for beacons you are almost always propelled forward in the league, regardless of your hangar strength. Last thing: as bad as this system is it completely falls apart when it comes to squad play. If six players with, say, 20k cups each show up as squad it's not like they won't be able to get a game because MM won't be able to find anything close to that number. It will wait few seconds and then grab whatever is available. That's why it was so bad on steam with its small player population before platform merge, you'd have death squads being matched with gold and diamond leaguers. |
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Post by easystrider on Aug 21, 2024 10:09:32 GMT -5
I finish first loser most of the time, so stay in Legend League, but can’t win. There you have it, you have 10% win rate and yet you stay in LL. You should be dropped out of it, but instead you not only stay but probably even move slightly further in. If you consider that being "rigged" then we are in full agreement. |
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Post by killmenow on Aug 21, 2024 11:04:54 GMT -5
I finish first loser most of the time, so stay in Legend League, but can’t win. There you have it, you have 10% win rate and yet you stay in LL. You should be dropped out of it, but instead you not only stay but probably even move slightly further in. If you consider that being "rigged" then we are in full agreement. that right there is very accurate , you move up regardless ....take a look through master league top to bottom and you'll find it filled to the brim with players running lvl 6-9 hangers and nothing else ....newer players , players with nat's and leo's still sometimes even worse bots ....and yet that face off against champions without even a slight hint of being able to win (been in many of them)......even i face them and have come out with 22+ kills and wonder to myself why they are even up there. |
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Post by dinnerplain on Sept 14, 2024 0:03:58 GMT -5
There you have it, you have 10% win rate and yet you stay in LL. You should be dropped out of it, but instead you not only stay but probably even move slightly further in. If you consider that being "rigged" then we are in full agreement. that right there is very accurate , you move up regardless ....take a look through master league top to bottom and you'll find it filled to the brim with players running lvl 6-9 hangers and nothing else ....newer players , players with nat's and leo's still sometimes even worse bots ....and yet that face off against champions without even a slight hint of being able to win (been in many of them)......even i face them and have come out with 22+ kills and wonder to myself why they are even up there.
Part of this, I suspect, is that they're getting "dragged up". How does that happen? When they're put in teams where there are 3-4 other top level players, the weaker ones will score a win and progress up. Pixonic can absolutely influence this.
I also suspect that "Event Tasks" has something to do with this. The event tasks that I'm talking about are "win 5 battles", so all of a sudden the F2P base are trying to win, not just do some AFK missiling.
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Post by linearblade on Sept 14, 2024 12:14:47 GMT -5
Now we all know the game is rigged, and you can usually tell the pre-determined outcome of a match 5 seconds after it starts, but I have never experienced such a run of blatantly rigged matches as those over the last week or so. I clearly don’t spend enough because every time I hit Legend League I cannot win a match. I finish first loser most of the time, so stay in Legend League, but can’t win. If I drop to chump league 2 overnight I’ll win again, until I hit Legend League. I’m now around 80th in LL with a 10% win rate - shall I try to grind it out ‘till 0%? Late post, but years ago, I was in legend league for many seasons. Often with the 9-10% win rate. It’s very normal |
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