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Post by dinnerplain on Jul 29, 2024 8:34:58 GMT -5
Ok, Pixonic call it a "module rework" for passive modules but we all know what they really mean - nerfing the passive modules.
Now that they've told us, what do we do now to best prepare?
* spend gold on passive modules to build up a supply before they get even more difficult to own? * upgrade existing passive modules * ensure that all passive modules (that aren't the 2 basic modules) are in use somewhere
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What else can we do?
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Post by killmenow on Jul 29, 2024 8:50:29 GMT -5
if drones are anything to go by ....all modules will be demoted back to lvl 1 so leveling them up will be pointless , there'll likely be a new currency dedicated solely for modules that will be extremely hard to come by without paying on top of this the current modules will receive a subtle nerf and new ones will be released that are better than the current ones , more than likely they will divide module abilities and thus you will have to acquire more of them to get the same effect while entirely losing other effects.
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Post by dinnerplain on Jul 29, 2024 9:32:09 GMT -5
if drones are anything to go by ....all modules will be demoted back to lvl 1 so leveling them up will be pointless , there'll likely be a new currency dedicated solely for modules that will be extremely hard to come by without paying on top of this the current modules will receive a subtle nerf and new ones will be released that are better than the current ones , more than likely they will divide module abilities and thus you will have to acquire more of them to get the same effect while entirely losing other effects.
Which suggests that modules like the repair amplifier and immune amplifier would be nerf'd but not necessarily nitro (it only does one thing)
Passive list: - Armor kit (does 1 thing)
- Nuclear Reactor (does 1 thing) - Fortifier (does 1 thing) - Battle born (does 1 thing) - Heavy Armor Kit (does 1 thing) - Thermonuclear reactor (does 1 thing) - Nitro unit (does 1 thing) - Balanced Unit - Anticontrol (does 1 thing) - Last Stand (does 1 thing) - Cloaking Unit (does 1 thing) - Overdrive unit (does 1 thing) - Nuclear amplifier - Repair amplifier - Immune ampliier
The "does 1 thing" is precisely that - it improves a stat or activates once - so I can't see how that module can be nerf'd except to make it weaker or...
is it worth upgrading all of those bots to level 3 or 5 to get the "free" modules and build up a bank of free modules for conversion time?
will upgrading a bot to level 3,5,7,9 automatically fill in a module slot?
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Jul 29, 2024 9:41:49 GMT -5
Well I can 100% predict what they *won't* do...
And that's listen to player feedback on the matter.
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Post by Wolfblood7 on Jul 29, 2024 11:14:19 GMT -5
if drones are anything to go by ....all modules will be demoted back to lvl 1 so leveling them up will be pointless , there'll likely be a new currency dedicated solely for modules that will be extremely hard to come by without paying on top of this the current modules will receive a subtle nerf and new ones will be released that are better than the current ones , more than likely they will divide module abilities and thus you will have to acquire more of them to get the same effect while entirely losing other effects. I leveled all mine, and this is what I'm concerned about. We probably won't even get any decent compensation like drones. |
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Post by easystrider on Jul 29, 2024 12:08:34 GMT -5
I have only low level modules but what would really hit hard is if they made the modules permanently assigned to bots. Or pulled the turrets number. I switch them all the time shifting between hunting grounds and other modes.
If they want to be nice they'll just say that you get to keep what you have and only add new levels and currency to modules, add MK2 or etc. It still would make the game worse in the long run but at least it would be less egregious to players.
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Post by killmenow on Jul 29, 2024 12:15:44 GMT -5
I have only low level modules but what would really hit hard is if they made the modules permanently assigned to bots. Or pulled the turrets number. I switch them all the time shifting between hunting grounds and other modes. If they want to be nice they'll just say that you get to keep what you have and only add new levels and currency to modules, add MK2 or etc. It still would make the game worse in the long run but at least it would be less egregious to players. pixonic and nice are about as far apart as the sun is to the earth lol |
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Jul 29, 2024 16:13:29 GMT -5
I have only low level modules but what would really hit hard is if they made the modules permanently assigned to bots. Or pulled the turrets number. I switch them all the time shifting between hunting grounds and other modes. If they want to be nice they'll just say that you get to keep what you have and only add new levels and currency to modules, add MK2 or etc. It still would make the game worse in the long run but at least it would be less egregious to players. Ding ding.. I think we have a winner. The modules are stagnant (lost revenue) to pixonic once levelled and easy to transfer to other bots/hangars. The easiest way to rework them is to completely scam us again and make them miraculously up and vanish like a fart in the wind, just like they did the turrets when you unequip them. Either way, a "rework" never seems to benefit the players so I think of it as another "moving the goal posts" type deal rather than a rework. |
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Post by dinnerplain on Jul 29, 2024 16:14:22 GMT -5
I can totally get a module currency. That would make spending Au on buying them now a good idea - but not necessarily leveling them up.
Would they turn modules into something you have to use shards to make?
Would the Starbase be the place that you needed to make shards and only if you've leveled it up to level 999?
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Post by 079 on Jul 29, 2024 17:56:39 GMT -5
I would wait until more details are revealed, as even though the drone and pilot reworks were total scams, we did at least know what was coming a bit in advance. Unless time is really tight for you for some reason, I would not be too hasty about it, as Pixonic tends to not quite do what we think. If Pixonic does announce a new currency then it is crunch time, but only then for me.
I bet Pixonic wants to blanket nerf all of the modules so that making new ones to continue the power creep will be easier. We saw the drone meta stagnate when some drones were so good the ones meant to replace them did not sell, so it got reworked. I bet this will be Pixonic’s way of ousting the Amplifier trio out of their current grip on the modules meta, so those are the ones I would be mindful about. The others have already been nerfed or power crept, so they are probably safe investments.
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Post by T34 on Jul 29, 2024 18:05:33 GMT -5
One thing is highly likely IMO. After the rework, expect to pay for maxed modules just like for drones and pilots. AG 120M to max a module probably doesn’t generate enough revenue since silver can be earned easier than other currencies. We will probably have a new currency as others have pointed out and the compensation scheme (scam) will be utterly inadequate. The new currency will be offered at an initially inflated price to fleece the whales and then it will gradually reduce in price over time so that lower spenders can purchase as well. However, if I was trying to screw the player base (diminish their previous investment and make them spend again), after release, I would have incentives for leveling the existing modules and when saved up/compensated currencies are low, I would release new OP modules that will require real money to purchase and level.
I am not going to do anything at this stage because we don’t know what their plan is. Once the plan is revealed, some partially mitigating decisions will surely be there to lessen the impact. Whether to upgrade existing modules, buy new ones and alike are purely punts at the moment. Likely to cost more than the benefit received.
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Post by gus169 on Jul 29, 2024 20:11:17 GMT -5
yeah, I've just put modules on pause. Second guessing is just another gamble at this point.
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Post by munkeeee on Jul 29, 2024 22:35:18 GMT -5
that a boy/girl Pix, keep pushing folks out the door.
This game will be PAY to play ONLY, in a few yrs, mark my words.
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Post by ahmetkocyigit201 on Jul 30, 2024 2:43:37 GMT -5
that a boy/girl Pix, keep pushing folks out the door. This game will be PAY to play ONLY, in a few yrs, mark my words. Imagine they make the game not free but have to purchase when downloading |
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Post by railbait on Jul 30, 2024 6:02:10 GMT -5
One possible scenario is they do the same as the first module "rework". Nerf some of the current modules (amplifiers), and add new modules to negate the newer effects (sell the cure for the problem they created).
Icing on the cake will be higher prices and/or new currency. Locking modules to the bot they are on, thereby forcing multiple bot use, would just add colorful sprinkles on the cake.
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Post by munkeeee on Jul 30, 2024 8:24:50 GMT -5
that a boy/girl Pix, keep pushing folks out the door. This game will be PAY to play ONLY, in a few yrs, mark my words. Imagine they make the game not free but have to purchase when downloading Well I thought about that too. But that would limit new folks coming onboard, all they would need to do is a bit of research on boards such as here or check out YT channels for info and gameplay. Plus purchase a game outright then be disappointed would require a lot of refunds. It would also open up the chances of even more monetary problems for pix due to their nerfing and meta cycles; people would find out real quick they were sold a bunk game, report it to apple, Microsoft, whoever and request refunds for the initial purchase as well as the other money they pissed away. Pix is really trying to squeeze all they can from this game, their ONE game I might add. Curious as to why they only have the one. |
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Post by railbait on Jul 30, 2024 12:40:43 GMT -5
that a boy/girl Pix, keep pushing folks out the door. This game will be PAY to play ONLY, in a few yrs, mark my words. Imagine they make the game not free but have to purchase when downloading That's old school monetization. Charge for the game and then a monthly subscription billed automatically was how it used to be done for PC. Micro-transactions and "battle passes" is the new hotness for mobile gaming. |
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Post by killmenow on Jul 30, 2024 14:40:38 GMT -5
Imagine they make the game not free but have to purchase when downloading That's old school monetization. Charge for the game and then a monthly subscription billed automatically was how it used to be done for PC. Micro-transactions and "battle passes" is the new hotness for mobile gaming. during the old way they used to actually fix problems though and if hackers showed up they acted swiftly to ban them and maintained some semblance of balance , nowdays the problems don't matter because once you paid you paid they don't need to fix anything at all let alone get rid of hackers. |
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Post by munkeeee on Jul 30, 2024 15:51:29 GMT -5
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS
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Post by gus169 on Jul 30, 2024 23:55:02 GMT -5
that a boy/girl Pix, keep pushing folks out the door. This game will be PAY to play ONLY, in a few yrs, mark my words. Hands down, the worst prophecy to ever come out of the Arachnian Monastery. Boooooo. Burn him! chuckles. Seriously though, if they put up a paywall, they'd drop at least half the playerbase overnight. Probably more. The only people who would stay are those that feel compromised by the volume of their 'investments'. Me, I'll love the game forever, but pixonic will never have any hold on me. Pricks. |
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Post by killmenow on Jul 31, 2024 8:15:30 GMT -5
that a boy/girl Pix, keep pushing folks out the door. This game will be PAY to play ONLY, in a few yrs, mark my words. Hands down, the worst prophecy to ever come out of the Arachnian Monastery. Boooooo. Burn him! chuckles. Seriously though, if they put up a paywall, they'd drop at least half the playerbase overnight. Probably more. The only people who would stay are those that feel compromised by the volume of their 'investments'. Me, I'll love the game forever, but pixonic will never have any hold on me. Pricks. they can't make it pay to play simply because the payers (not all but most) don't like fighting each other because they may lose and in turn don't feel the ego boost and lose the will to keep paying again in turn losing masses of players. it's much the same way they wont deal with hackers because it's too late now ...so many payers are hacking and if they banned them that's more than 50% of the playerbase instantly gone. |
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Post by dinnerplain on Jul 31, 2024 9:07:43 GMT -5
it's much the same way they wont deal with hackers because it's too late now ...so many payers are hacking and if they banned them that's more than 50% of the playerbase instantly gone.
I would like to say i disagree with that statement as i'm pretty sure there are close to 0 hackers on iOS/Android.
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Post by dinnerplain on Jul 31, 2024 9:16:19 GMT -5
I bet Pixonic wants to blanket nerf all of the modules so that making new ones to continue the power creep will be easier. We saw the drone meta stagnate when some drones were so good the ones meant to replace them did not sell, so it got reworked. I bet this will be Pixonic’s way of ousting the Amplifier trio out of their current grip on the modules meta, so those are the ones I would be mindful about. The others have already been nerfed or power crept, so they are probably safe investments.
The immune amplifier is close to worthless for low level play beacuse you can't sustain enough damage for it to kick into gear.
If anti-control became anti-lockdown (only), I'd be ok with that because I don't use it on 'bots where I worry about suppression but if it became anti-suppression only, that'd piss me off.
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Post by killmenow on Jul 31, 2024 9:59:12 GMT -5
it's much the same way they wont deal with hackers because it's too late now ...so many payers are hacking and if they banned them that's more than 50% of the playerbase instantly gone.
I would like to say i disagree with that statement as i'm pretty sure there are close to 0 hackers on iOS/Android.
after a literal 10 second google search ... android hacks are everywhere with posts thanking the creators (thousands of them) some as recent as an hour ago same goes for ios , there are forums with ios hacks full descriptions of how to use what not to use or combine and many many hundreds of people thanking the creators..... |
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Post by dinnerplain on Jul 31, 2024 11:11:16 GMT -5
I would like to say i disagree with that statement as i'm pretty sure there are close to 0 hackers on iOS/Android.
after a literal 10 second google search ... android hacks are everywhere with posts thanking the creators (thousands of them) some as recent as an hour ago same goes for ios , there are forums with ios hacks full descriptions of how to use what not to use or combine and many many hundreds of people thanking the creators.....
Sigh. I would have thought that being on platforms like that would make the apps secure... maybe it is time to join the masses...
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Post by 0megaman on Jul 31, 2024 12:02:26 GMT -5
LOL..
I have avoided saying this for a while, but given that killmenow's assessment on searching for hacks is correct (I just searched as well).... While I have not looked at iOS, I have looked extensively at the War Robots PC and Android platforms. If I chose to, which I havent, and wont, hacking the game is a cake-walk... so much so that I cannot attribute it to developer laziness, but only to intent. It takes only mild to moderate skill to find the gaping holes both client and server side. Doesnt take long to tear apart the PC platform, half that time for Android (its actually embarrassing). IMHO, some of the stuff seems to be open on purpose, no one is that stupid. "Security" is only surface level.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Jul 31, 2024 14:16:04 GMT -5
Leaving hacks aside, never have I been so happy as to having never leveled a passive module up ever.
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Post by dinnerplain on Aug 1, 2024 10:42:03 GMT -5
The first change to modules is already here:
- when you upgrade a robot to level 3, 7, or 9, you no longer get a free passize module (nuclear reactor & armor kit used to be automatic fill ins.) Both of these now cost 50,000 Ag to put in place. This is really a token amount of silver for nearly all players but the change is that neither are free now.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Aug 1, 2024 11:29:41 GMT -5
The first change to modules is already here: - when you upgrade a robot to level 3, 7, or 9, you no longer get a free passize module (nuclear reactor & armor kit used to be automatic fill ins.) Both of these now cost 50,000 Ag to put in place. This is really a token amount of silver for nearly all players but the change is that neither are free now. Oh, thank God. It was tedious to sell them. And 6 Pack hangar checks will be so much easier now! |
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Post by milty72 on Aug 2, 2024 20:47:53 GMT -5
I'm so lost. I'll just stuck it and see and get screwed over again. But hey I'll keep coming back for more. I'm married after all to the same lady for over 25 years. I've learnt.
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