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Post by NexusBlade on Jul 7, 2024 20:26:37 GMT -5
So as some of you may have seen Pix has a brilliant new addition to the game planned, and it will be a defacto erasure of anything that isn't the shiniest new toy, so Intel will work like this: The more you or your team destroys a bot you will get a permanent stat boost that makes that bot type take more damage up until the 100% limit at max intel, and whatever weapons you face on those bots will then deal less damage to you, again permanently.
And of course this means fully saturated existing content will get people intel very quickly, and brand new stuff will of course have no intel for a while, and I suspect accumulate intel slower, so those bots will deal comparatively even more damage and the bots take significantly less damage, and the simple solution to the accumulation of intel over time will be to buy newer releases which I can guarantee will be coming even more often than before. All your older gear... whether it worked for you or not... it's about to get a lot weaker, and the next gen stomping is going to get so much worse. This is essentially pix telling you: Join the cycle, Hop on the meta hamster wheel, or gtfo we don't want you. Feels like a very dramatic and frankly desperate move to squeeze out as much money as possible and as quickly as possible, this is a very bad sign for the continuation of the game long term, but then again maybe that isn't such a bad thing...
Buckle up everyone, we're going for a ride lol
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Post by gus169 on Jul 7, 2024 22:39:42 GMT -5
man. that's dark
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Post by easystrider on Jul 7, 2024 22:57:28 GMT -5
Whatever, Pixonic.
Already dealing with lame new bot ideas and OP weapons and have no slightest intention of joining the zero skill needed meta. It's their game so they can test how far they can push it before they break the game. Before I buckle up I'm going to wait and see if I'm joining the ride at all.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Jul 7, 2024 23:14:03 GMT -5
As if things aren't already complicated enough. This must just be another thing "that players asked for" I guess.
I'm sure they'd love to just make everything magically disappear as soon as you unequip the item just like the mothership turrets do.
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Post by NexusBlade on Jul 8, 2024 0:29:02 GMT -5
As if things aren't already complicated enough. This must just be another thing "that players asked for" I guess. I'm sure they'd love to just make everything magically disappear as soon as you unequip the item just like the mothership turrets do. Oh I'm sure thats coming at some point as well... honestly though this Intel addition is probably the largest 「fluffernutter」 you to the players in a while, and that's saying something... No longer will it simply be a question of when or if something will get nerfed or reworked into oblivion, your entire hanger will effectively decay into irrelevance simply from people destroying your bots or other people running the same bots, your weapons will get weaker and weaker as well, and all the shiny new toys will not only start off with that new gear power boost, but a low intel advantage that will keep it an extra tier above everything else in the game, and for the vast majority of us that don't want to just blow thousands on the game every update things will get much more frustrating... already been playing less these days myself, this certainly isn't inspiring me to play more lol
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Jul 8, 2024 6:39:22 GMT -5
Intel seems to only be for T4 gear. T3 and under gear is simply left out.
That suits me fine. I already use all tiers of gear, level capped, without drones, motherships and active modules. If I leave t4 gear out of my hangars, then intel does nothing but help me.
Of course, everything you’ve said about intel is true. It’s a horrendously bad idea whose only real purpose is monetization.
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Post by easystrider on Jul 8, 2024 9:07:10 GMT -5
Seems like it's very important change for Pixonic. Every cycle when they release new items only to nerf them later they get a lot of player resentment and potential refund requests. If they manage to mask this as a gameplay feature then they'll mitigate the negative feedback, if not eliminate it completely.
I bet it will be heavily manipulated too. I expect very popular items losing their power due to intel mechanics, while other OP items that haven't run their monetization course will remain stubbornly resistant to any such effects.
It also has another benefit for Pixonic, that is discouraging people from quitting matches against meta. If you don't fight that content, how are you going to get intel on it? Of course it won't help that after getting blown to pieces in seconds by raptor, for example, you'll be only infinitesimally better off fighting it the next time.
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Post by munkeeee on Jul 8, 2024 11:26:58 GMT -5
Well that just sounds 「fluffernutter」ing dumb.
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Post by 0megaman on Jul 8, 2024 11:58:21 GMT -5
It also has another benefit for Pixonic, that is discouraging people from quitting matches against meta. If you don't fight that content, how are you going to get intel on it? Of course it won't help that after getting blown to pieces in seconds by raptor, for example, you'll be only infinitesimally better off fighting it the next time. Leaving the match is still the best option. Do you think for 1 second that Pigsonic is going to allow 'intel' to work for a non-meta player against the newest meta... Guaranteed theyve already taken that into consideration. Meta is as Meta does. Nothing Pigsonic does is ever out of fairness or honesty. Trickery and manipulation is the only thing they know, getting anyone to spend (more) is the only goal.
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Post by easystrider on Jul 8, 2024 12:48:26 GMT -5
It also has another benefit for Pixonic, that is discouraging people from quitting matches against meta. If you don't fight that content, how are you going to get intel on it? Of course it won't help that after getting blown to pieces in seconds by raptor, for example, you'll be only infinitesimally better off fighting it the next time. Leaving the match is still the best option. Do you think for 1 second that Pigsonic is going to allow 'intel' to work for a non-meta player against the newest meta... Guaranteed theyve already taken that into consideration. Meta is as Meta does. Nothing Pigsonic does is ever out of fairness or honesty. Trickery and manipulation is the only thing they know, getting anymore to spend (more) is the only goal. Right. Not sure if it got conveyed well but that's the point I was trying to make above. That this new scheme will not be equally applied to all bots the same way. What are the most commonly encountered bots in the game right now? In my experience these are typhoons, skyros and lynxes, which I believe will be hit the hardest and effectively nerfed. But also, playing in the Champions League I see a lot of curies, raptors, dagons and etc, which I think will remain relatively unscathed unless of course Pixo sees no more sales potential for them.
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Post by 0megaman on Jul 8, 2024 14:39:59 GMT -5
The more I think about the dynamics, its actually somewhat ingenious (in a villainous way). Non-meta players will continuously be auto-nerfed across the board against the latest meta. Doesnt matter which older (currently effective) bot/weapons combos you have, your damage-received/given modifiers will constantly be updated to put you at a disadvantage, while meta players will be given the advantage until the next meta cycle. This also cuts down on Pigsonics OP/nerf cycle for individual bots and weapons. That part of the strategy is to cut down on the incessantly (building) bad PR theyve received over the last couple years.
Amazing the effort they will go through to cover up bad behavior in order to perpetuate it. Doing the right thing never enters their mind, and sadly, wouldve have probably been far less costly to implement.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Jul 8, 2024 17:00:24 GMT -5
Amazing the effort they will go through to cover up bad behavior in order to perpetuate it. Doing the right thing never enters their mind, and sadly, wouldve have probably been far less costly to implement. Sounds just like a conman. Come to think about it, that's all they are. They will probably sell us this new "feature" by telling us that it will help to identify subtle hacking a lot easier.
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Post by easystrider on Jul 8, 2024 17:06:56 GMT -5
The more I think about the dynamics, its actually somewhat ingenious (in a villainous way). ... I thought the same thing but didn't want to post it since I thought it wouldn't go well on this forum. It is clever. Now that OP release /nerf cycle will be a part of the game's mechanics it will be harder for people to complain about it or ask for refunds. Edit: Take out the obvious monetization reason why Pixonic introduced it and it is a neat idea. It mimics a bit real battlefield where new innovations are introduced, give an advantage in the beginning and then everybody adopts to it.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Jul 8, 2024 18:15:06 GMT -5
The more I think about the dynamics, its actually somewhat ingenious (in a villainous way). ... I thought the same thing but didn't want to post it since I thought it wouldn't go well on this forum. It is clever. Now that OP release /nerf cycle will be a part of the game's mechanics it will be harder for people to complain about it or ask for refunds. Or it spectacularly backfires and whales finally realise they are being right royally screwed over and over again. Yeah probably unlikely but one can dream.
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Post by dinnerplain on Jul 9, 2024 3:20:08 GMT -5
It also has another benefit for Pixonic, that is discouraging people from quitting matches against meta. If you don't fight that content, how are you going to get intel on it? Of course it won't help that after getting blown to pieces in seconds by raptor, for example, you'll be only infinitesimally better off fighting it the next time.
Why would I care enough to get that intel?
I'm struggling to see what this is a solution to, and the only thing I can come up with is Pixonic's bank balance.
I think they are counting, wrongly, on people associating their old bots dieing more quickly with the need to replace them with new stuff and handing over cash to do so.
If it is meant for T4 things only, they should create a T5 (sorely needed now!) and apply it only to T5 stuff.
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Post by dinnerplain on Jul 9, 2024 3:24:42 GMT -5
That part of the strategy is to cut down on the incessantly (building) bad PR theyve received over the last couple years. Amazing the effort they will go through to cover up bad behavior in order to perpetuate it. Doing the right thing never enters their mind, and sadly, wouldve have probably been far less costly to implement.
This isn't going to stop the bad PR.
Intel is effectively an automatic active nerf.
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Post by 0megaman on Jul 9, 2024 9:49:47 GMT -5
That part of the strategy is to cut down on the incessantly (building) bad PR theyve received over the last couple years. Amazing the effort they will go through to cover up bad behavior in order to perpetuate it. Doing the right thing never enters their mind, and sadly, wouldve have probably been far less costly to implement.
This isn't going to stop the bad PR.
Intel is effectively an automatic active nerf.
Exactly.
The part about about bad PR was in reference to the existing OP/nerf cycle ( "rebalance" bs ), which is 'in-your-face' obvious, and dealing with all the outrage and ill-will generated by it. Pigsonic wants to get away from those optics, and came up with this system. The intent is to cloak nerfing, and they are counting on enough people being stupid as to not notice. The other part of that objective is to be able to nerf all F2P across the board without having to specify bots/weapons, and/or address various module combo's.
As you pointed out, its not going to stop the bad PR, and IMHO its a serious miscalculation on their part. The fact that auto-nerf exists at all is hugely problematic, and its going to hugely impact game-play (negatively). Pigsonic spends all their time trying to get people who spend little or nothing to begin with, to spend (more). The fact that they are trying this 'intel' nonsense now tells me their previous strategies in this area have been largely ineffective, else they wouldnt be going to this extent.
Its clever, I'll give'm that, but a whole new level of dishonest. Ultimately its going to make the game (more) unplayable.
Just my honest opinion and analysis, toxicity not included
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Post by easystrider on Jul 9, 2024 12:33:11 GMT -5
I think it will help with PR, not that Pixonic cares about bad PR too much anyway. Look at what happened on OS release, everybody unanimously said that it was bad idea and doesn't add much to the game. Which was and is true. But now it's part of the game and sometimes I get the feeling that I'm the only one not using it. Same with intel, there will be complaining but eventually it will be accepted anyway. Since it will be limited to T4 gear new players will not even notice it until they hit upper leagues, at which point they'll be either hooked or just leave the game.
And you cannot count here on youtubers either, with the whole petition debacle Pixonic ensured that nobody will complain about it too loudly.
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Post by easystrider on Jul 9, 2024 12:41:08 GMT -5
This isn't going to stop the bad PR.
Intel is effectively an automatic active nerf.
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Pigsonic spends all their time trying to get people who spend little or nothing to begin with, to spend (more). The fact that they are trying this 'intel' nonsense now tells me their previous strategies in this area have been largely ineffective, else they wouldnt be going to this extent.
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When it was 7 year game anniversary Pixo said that War Robots reached 500 million in revenues. On the 10th year anniversary they said that they have reached 900M mark, which would mean that they have been bringing in over 11 million a month for last three years. All that while there's circumstantial evidence that player base actually got smaller in that time. Which would mean they were pretty successful in squeezing more revenue out of existing paying players, expanding number of paying players or both.
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Post by 0megaman on Jul 9, 2024 14:00:29 GMT -5
When it was 7 year game anniversary Pixo said that War Robots reached 500 million in revenues. On the 10th year anniversary they said that they have reached 900M mark, which would mean that they have been bringing in over 11 million a month for last three years. All that while there's circumstantial evidence that player base actually got smaller in that time. Which would mean they were pretty successful in squeezing more revenue out of existing paying players, expanding number of paying players or both. I dont put much stock in whatever numbers Pig' puts out, they arent exactly upfront about anything else, lol. Successful is somewhat relative. When I say 'ineffective', it means they werent reaching whatever financial goals they set/needed. Doesnt mean they were necessarily doing 'bad', theyve obviously been able to keep the lights on, but it doesnt mean they were doing 'good' or 'great' either. This whole intel thing isnt just a slap in the face to F2P or mild spenders, its a 'pay-up or gtfo' move. Very, very nasty, if not outright belligerent.
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Post by killmenow on Jul 9, 2024 16:36:37 GMT -5
When it was 7 year game anniversary Pixo said that War Robots reached 500 million in revenues. On the 10th year anniversary they said that they have reached 900M mark, which would mean that they have been bringing in over 11 million a month for last three years. All that while there's circumstantial evidence that player base actually got smaller in that time. Which would mean they were pretty successful in squeezing more revenue out of existing paying players, expanding number of paying players or both. I dont put much stock in whatever numbers Pig' puts out, they arent exactly upfront about anything else, lol. Successful is somewhat relative. When I say 'ineffective', it means they werent reaching whatever financial goals they set/needed. Doesnt mean they were necessarily doing 'bad', theyve obviously been able to keep the lights on, but it doesnt mean they were doing 'good' or 'great' either. This whole intel thing isnt just a slap in the face to F2P or mild spenders, its a 'pay-up or gtfo' move. Very, very nasty, if not outright belligerent. they say the same about every game , we have now reached a 500 m downloads ...congratz so you got the game to bug out while downloading/installing to boost numbers soo wonderful lol .....they also count mutiple account creators amongst them and also their own fake accounts too ....like when they say we have 500m active accounts yep active when ? within the last decade? they don't show ANY believable statistics and it's rare any game does.
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Post by munkeeee on Jul 9, 2024 17:24:10 GMT -5
I dont put much stock in whatever numbers Pig' puts out, they arent exactly upfront about anything else, lol. Successful is somewhat relative. When I say 'ineffective', it means they werent reaching whatever financial goals they set/needed. Doesnt mean they were necessarily doing 'bad', theyve obviously been able to keep the lights on, but it doesnt mean they were doing 'good' or 'great' either. This whole intel thing isnt just a slap in the face to F2P or mild spenders, its a 'pay-up or gtfo' move. Very, very nasty, if not outright belligerent. they say the same about every game , we have now reached a 500 m downloads ...congratz so you got the game to bug out while downloading/installing to boost numbers soo wonderful lol .....they also count mutiple account creators amongst them and also their own fake accounts too ....like when they say we have 500m active accounts yep active when ? within the last decade? they don't show ANY believable statistics and it's rare any game does. not to mention, with 500m supposed downloads and/or users, you reallly think that many people would let this game pull the 「dookie」 it does? We do yeah, we are a bunch of robot junkies, its our thing. But 500m people letting this game run rampant? Honestly if that was the case then Pix is really slacking. Lets do some simple math. 500m users, if they all bought something for 2 bucks, thats 1 billion. And I am sure it doesnt cost that to keep the lights on. Hell, we know they dont spend it on research, development, or servers. I got it, VODKA, cause they have to be a few sheets to the wind to come up with the drunken monkey unique triginometry they use for some of these explanations for things.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Jul 9, 2024 18:13:10 GMT -5
This isn't going to stop the bad PR.
Intel is effectively an automatic active nerf.
Exactly.
The fact that they are trying this 'intel' nonsense now tells me their previous strategies in this area have been largely ineffective, else they wouldnt be going to this extent.
Its clever, I'll give'm that, but a whole new level of dishonest.
Could be a bit of that. My take is that they are bleeding money to players seeking refunds and quite possibly getting backlash from the app store giants in the process. This is a deviously underhanded scheme to bypass all of that.
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Post by satanonwheels on Jul 9, 2024 19:51:43 GMT -5
New fuel for the dumpster fire. But really it is geo-political, aka someone needs more money to do their thing.
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Post by dinnerplain on Jul 9, 2024 19:55:12 GMT -5
Exactly.
The fact that they are trying this 'intel' nonsense now tells me their previous strategies in this area have been largely ineffective, else they wouldnt be going to this extent.
Its clever, I'll give'm that, but a whole new level of dishonest.
Could be a bit of that. My take is that they are bleeding money to players seeking refunds and quite possibly getting backlash from the app store giants in the process. This is a deviously underhanded scheme to bypass all of that.
The obvious thing to do would be to stop nerf'ing stuff and right-size things from the start, but no, that would be too sensible and they wouldn't sell enough "new stuff."
The other thing about this change is that it makes a mockery of the damage that is listed against the weapon and the health that is listed against the robot. Those are no longer going to be a guide as to how easy/difficult it will be to take out a robot.
What I do note is that it is triggered by a bot being destroyed. If you "Change Robot" before your robot is destroyed, then the reds don't get a boost from killing you. I'm one of those that will (if I have the chance) "Change Robot" when my health gets low to stop the other guy getting a kill. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't because I'm not quick enough or the red guns are just too strong. I wonder if there will be changes to that on top of the 'must wait x seconds' that is already in place.
I'm sure that whoever came up with this idea thinks that they're smart and that it is a ground breaking idea that's new, blah blah blah. It is however very very dumb from a player's perspective.
Does anyone have an idea about the headcount at Putonic?
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Post by easystrider on Jul 9, 2024 20:12:16 GMT -5
Could be a bit of that. My take is that they are bleeding money to players seeking refunds and quite possibly getting backlash from the app store giants in the process. This is a deviously underhanded scheme to bypass all of that. ... Does anyone have an idea about the headcount at Putonic?
200 people according to google. I'm sure that whoever came up with this idea thinks that they're smart and that it is a ground breaking idea that's new, blah blah blah. It is however very very dumb from a player's perspective. A while back we found a job posting for Pixonic dev, I believe. One of the first questions was "Are you the smartest person in the room?". If you answered "no" it kicked you out without a chance to submit resume. That plus 900 million dollars in revenues tells you what Pixonics think of themselves. Edit: Sorry, couldn't help throwing in this dig: Also an example of Pixonic genius: War Robots Frontiers. Currently being played by TWO people .
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Post by T34 on Jul 9, 2024 20:23:35 GMT -5
Yeah, agree with the above sentiments that this will be a nerf over time rather than sharp periodic nerfs. Users will be the frogs who are slowly boiled until they suddenly realise there are better options. Older useful bots will be nerfed into averageness for sure.
However, the impact will depend on how Pixonic sets up the intel gathering algorithm but what are the odds of this new mechanism not increasing the advantage to P2Ws. Skyros, Lynks and Typhons will surely be screwed. Such options wont exist anymore and people will need to frequently upgrade semi nerfed stuff (eg, current Ocho) to stay in touch.
Once this system beds down, I would not be surprised if Pixonic sells a new feature to reduce the impact of existing intelligence (held by others) on your equipment thereby extending the life of your equipment at a price.
Overall, this game is getting more and more convoluted, and the number of exploitable gaps will increase with this new feature. I suspect there will be an exploitable gap with this feature too.
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Post by easystrider on Jul 9, 2024 20:36:26 GMT -5
... Once this system beds down, I would not be surprised if Pixonic sells a new feature to reduce the impact of existing intelligence (held by others) on your equipment thereby extending the life of your equipment at a price. ... Right. Imagine clan base facilities that shield your clan from info gathering. Pixonics are salivating at the endless monetization possibilities.
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Post by T34 on Jul 9, 2024 21:04:29 GMT -5
... Once this system beds down, I would not be surprised if Pixonic sells a new feature to reduce the impact of existing intelligence (held by others) on your equipment thereby extending the life of your equipment at a price. ... Right. Imagine clan base facilities that shield your clan from info gathering. Pixonics are salivating at the endless monetization possibilities. Yep. Not only did they avoid unpopular hard nerfings but they also created additional monetization opportunities down the track. Even if they configure the parameters to preserve status queue (which they wont) they will have additional monetization options. I would be very surprised if there would be nothing else to follow the initial change. Same old thing, take away what you had before and sell it back to you. If I was Pix, trying to make more money, I would configure the effects of the intel to be savage in terms of power reduction and introduce a mitigation measure or two for $$$$.
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Post by dinnerplain on Jul 9, 2024 21:07:18 GMT -5
Once this system beds down, I would not be surprised if Pixonic sells a new feature to reduce the impact of existing intelligence (held by others) on your equipment thereby extending the life of your equipment at a price. Overall, this game is getting more and more convoluted, and the number of exploitable gaps will increase with this new feature. I suspect there will be an exploitable gap with this feature too.
Of course, they manufacture a problem and then sell us the cure as they do with so many features (eg lockdown & anti-lockdown.)
I absolutely agree the game is getting more convoluted and I don't see this as being a good thing.
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