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Post by Adazahi on Sept 30, 2023 15:10:09 GMT -5
Oh, I can abide. Im not allowed to debate with a certain group because they are favored? I stated an opinion, several times, if there was an issue it shoulda been brought up straight away. But i feel that cuz i touched on someone more popular, now and after the fact the mods rise to defend the tubers. Fine. Whatever, so much for free speach. A mod is allowed to call me names, then issue me a warning...... great optics. Appreciate the response and candor. you have free speech =/= you can say whatever you want without consequence This thread has long gotten off track, so enough with this. You don't like youtubers, I am one. Fine, let's put our differences aside for a little while. Regarding the actual purpose of this thread, to discuss the changes to the upgrading system, it appears that the 40% upgrades are here to stay, as we have one today! I think there are some good things, that being just the fact that the sale still exists, though the fact that they happened to decide to do the sale on the 3rd day of the event and not the first makes me think they wanted people to blow their silver upgrading some stuff to mk2, see the event, and then buy more silver to upgrade with the sale so that they don't feel like they "missed out". Shady business... but at least we have the 40% sale. This reduces the total to get from mk1.1 to mk2.1 from 77M to 46.5M. That is pretty great! With the 50% boost to silver gains, I suspect players who have been stuck at level 9 for years may be able to finally see the power of mk2. Still though, not forgetting how pixonic pulled that shady nonesense where they reduced the silver given from selling titan stuff without telling us. And then doubled down and reduced the silver gain from selling anything. Kinda sucks, this would be a good time to clear out excess stuff and get some leveling done without that change. In other (bad) news, it seems that this upgrade rescale is going to only affect items released before 9.4. Let me explain. We youtubers were given items at mk2.6 instead of mk2.1 because that is the new "usable" level of gear that has been newly released. We don't have a pattern yet, but we can speculate further releases will follow this same upgrade distribution. Basically, an older weapon, decay for example, reaches 80% if its max power at mk2.1, which is why the upgrade hump at level 9 sucks. At level 9, you're at about 50% power. The issue is that new weapons now give more damage from mk2, so you need to get to mk2.6 to get 80% power. By my calculations, it costs the same to get from mk1.1 to mk2.6 as it used to cost to get from mk1.1 to mk2.1, so, pretty gross pix move, but still only really affects gigawhales since most of us are probably not rocking the newest equipment a week after release. With this information, make of the changes what you will. To me, it seems pixonic is trying to get a little extra out of their whales whiile slightly improving things for the pocket spenders and free to plays. With 40% sales, the price to get to mk2 is cheap and grindable, but the price to max stuff out is not so great. This can go from being a good thing to being a neutral thing later down the line if we get to the point where literally the only viable gear is post 9.4 gear, but considering how well Ravana and Sonics have held up, I have my doubts. Enjoy your mk2 peeps. Edit: Interested in what krebby thinks about this new info. I enjoyed our previous discussion. |
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Post by Adazahi on Sept 30, 2023 15:12:51 GMT -5
I get whipped on for a You Tube video I call it Seal Clubbing the same as being whipped on by a player that just spent $500 to get the same equipment to whip on players. Genuine question: Has the definition of seal clubbing changed since I was last around here? Don't you need to tank leagues to fight under geared players to "seal club"? Look man, I'm right there next to you wanting tankers to rot, but unless there is some youtuber you know of that tanks leagues, this may be an issue of the matchmaking system, which you can't blame us for. If there IS some youtuber you know of tanking leagues, and they are in the creator program, please give me a link to their channel. I will report them to my pix contact (given evidence). Youtubers should be setting an example and anyone found to be engaging in unethical behavior like that is likely to get the boot. |
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Post by 0megaman on Sept 30, 2023 15:17:32 GMT -5
I cant really say the YT'ers are particularly problematic, these days at least, theres no heavy duty lure. Sure, its a marketing vehicle for Pigsonic, and sure, some of the YT'ers make their living off it... but I cant say any of the cool/good ones are shills for the game. Having watched a few vids, and of course talking with the ones here, I'd say theyre problematic for Pigsonic more than anything else. Most are dead-honest about the BS they see in the game, and make no bones about broadcasting it. Its no secret some get free stuff, and are generally up-front about it. If some player wants to continue getting his posterior royally kicked, thats on him. Everyone with a few brain-cells knows damn well the game is rigged from top to bottom, and 'fairness' is absolutely not part of the design. A typical player has 3 choices:
* Accept the game is rigged, continue getting beat up by wallet-warriors, with some slim hope you might get 1 'fair' game out of gawd-knows-how-many.
* Pony up a boatload of $$$ to 'compete' with the aforementioned wallet-warriors, with the understanding you've fallen into Pigsonics vicious (and expensive) cycle.
* Stop playing the game.
IMHO, I believe Pigsonic is REALLY hurting content creators at this point in time. Pigsonic has sunk SO DAMN LOW now, that many, many people have caught on to the perpetual scam, and would catch-on whether the YT'ers said anything about it or not. Theres is so much info/conversation on the 'net about the constant BS War Robots is engaging in these days, its impossible not to find. That has clearly impacted the amount of traffic the YT'ers get. For many of them, they have a moral/ethical line, and choose not to cross it for fear of destroying their own reputations, and at the expense of viewership. In a way, its a lose-lose situation for them. Losing viewers because the game has turned into a money-grabbing cesspool, or losing viewers because they choose to shill for the game, which people would see right through.
If I were a YT'er, I'd already be slowly but surely divesting from War Robots. Its just too mired in constant sketchy BS.
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Post by T-Town Striker on Sept 30, 2023 15:22:46 GMT -5
Seal Clubbing to Me is getting beat on by a strong overpowering player, yesterday morning Adazhi you were on a win team with Me . You had 1 Beacon and 3 times the damage of any player on our team to place you as #1 . Good guess you were focused on hammering players I’d say .
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Post by Adazahi on Sept 30, 2023 15:54:03 GMT -5
Seal Clubbing to Me is getting beat on by a strong overpowering player, yesterday morning Adazhi you were on a win team with Me . You had 1 Beacon and 3 times the damage of any player on our team to place you as #1 . Good guess you were focused on hammering players I’d say . Interestingly, damage numbers that high typically mean one thing: I was murdering Ochokochis with my Ochokochi. Since this new robot's whole ability is to ignore grey damage, you get some seriously high damage numbers from fighting with and/or against it. So tell me, when I was keeping the whale Ochokochis at bay with my youtuber Ochokochi, was I seal clubbing? Was I at some unfair advantage? Do you think that had I not been there, you would've had a better time up against those Ochokochis? This experience you have cited to paint me as a seal clubber ironically shows me preventing you from being seal clubbed by engaging in and winning fair fights against whale Ochokochis. Don't get me wrong, there is the odd game where the enemy team doesn't have Ochokochis, and I honestly hate it. The issue is that pix didn't make it obvious that shooting an Ocho in it's ability makes it stronger, so it's basically impossible to die if a team doesn't understand this. Ochokochi can be killed with teamwork and old robots, I did it with my fafnir and a friendly leech to prove a point in a video, but you need to not shoot it in it's ability. This isn't to say it's not OP, but it appears a lot more OP than it really is because everyone is doing the equivalent of blowing all their ammo into Ares and Fafnir purple shields and wondering why they died to fast. Regardless, if MM puts me up against an undergeared team it's not my fault. I don't want to be in that match and winning without trying doesn't make me feel good, but what would YOU do? Eject your bot every time it happens and end up in tankers league? |
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Post by Poopface on Sept 30, 2023 16:02:10 GMT -5
Ladies and gents:
We did the whole seal clubbing, we hate Youtubers, 「fluffernutter」 whales thing years ago. It turned the whole Forum toxic and a lot of people left the Forum as a result of not wanting to see/deal with the venom. The game quality is undoubtedly sub-par these days, but finger pointing benefits no one.
Keep it civil or the thread is getting locked and discipline meted out.
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Post by 079 on Sept 30, 2023 16:03:30 GMT -5
Seal Clubbing to Me is getting beat on by a strong overpowering player, yesterday morning Adazhi you were on a win team with Me . You had 1 Beacon and 3 times the damage of any player on our team to place you as #1 . Good guess you were focused on hammering players I’d say . Don’t think you are beyond scrutiny either, as everything I said to Johnny applies to what you are saying too. The reason slandering YouTubers is against the rules, no matter how “true” you think it may be, is because it is wholly unproductive. Like, what is your goal in labeling YouTubers as Seal Clubbers, to alienate them from the player base? Why would you want to do that when they are a valuable source of entertainment, insider information, and showcases of stuff we cannot see ourselves? Even if you can somehow come up with a reason, that does not excuse your behavior for being hurtful and against the spirit of the forums. |
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Post by T-Town Striker on Sept 30, 2023 16:05:10 GMT -5
Adazahi I’d say your whats called thin skinned on taking opinions. Grab some tough guy cream to thicken up for the You Tubing. ![]()
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Post by T-Town Striker on Sept 30, 2023 16:06:31 GMT -5
No slander done , I’ll make it easy for you kids and leave .
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Post by Adazahi on Sept 30, 2023 16:08:59 GMT -5
Adazahi I’d say your whats called thin skinned on taking opinions. Grab some tough guy cream to thicken up for the You Tubing. ![]() This response makes me think you didn't read my response... I'm not gonna bother with another response. Can we just drop the topic so this thread doesn't get locked? |
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Post by NexusBlade on Sept 30, 2023 19:31:08 GMT -5
Ha, You call me names, and i get a warning. What a joke. Thats a MOD eh? Wow! I formerly complain that this is unreasonable and if a mod abuses the rules thats a bigger issue than mine. I didnt get a warning i get grief AFTER i come back at you. This is the issue with you. You think your smarter, better etc. So, buddy gets free stuff. Makes a vidio of his 30 mil WORLD RECORD damage and im the jealous one. Cuz this cheat with his free stuff brags about his seal clubbing. these vids help pixonic, so yes he is helping them, if you cant see that nexus, your deluded. Enjoy the seal clubbing and being clubbed. This is why pixo continues its BS, because yall except it so easily. Cheating and sealclubbing , tanking etc are all ok. Ya cant debate worth 「dookie」 and come out here with rediculous statements like they are facts. I dont roll over like a dog on command, but feel free. In closing, i have campaigned against all the free creator accounts, its all the same having these free accounts enter regualr game mode and club paying players is a pixonic made thing to drive sales. Your working for pixonic whether you admit it or not. Uh, You do realize that the 30 million damage Ochokochi video was made by Aygir, not Adazahi right? Or are you confused? Unless your point is that all videos of this game are for marketing and to drive sales... which makes no sense, are you trolling right now? Also you seem deeply confused on what seal clubbing means... Using maxed meta gear against other maxed meta gear is literally the furthest thing from seal clubbing, yes the Ochokochi is insanely op however thats the fault of pix and not those who do showcases... As for the tanking accusations of 079 which I don't really have a stake in but I'll give my opinion... If you drop leagues and don't use maxed meta gear once you have finished dropping... Theres literally no sane argument as to why thats a problem, tanking generally is bad because of people going down to leagues with low level players and using high level gear... if you dislike someone dropping to be on a more even playing field you must hate skirmish mode. Look all I see is you trying to cause drama for no reason, congratulations you got what you wanted and completely derailed this thread and got us all worked up... As to the mods, I apologize if I have contributed to any of the toxicity here, arguably I'm feeding the fire at this point... I've said what I needed to say and will say nothing further on the matter. |
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Post by NexusBlade on Sept 30, 2023 19:51:35 GMT -5
To get back on topic here... I do want to give my view on this economy change thats being trialed here. It's honestly a mixed bag, the overall price increase is 「dookie」, the fact mk2 loses its steady pricing for leveling is frustrating as that helped people grind for levels at a consistent pace, however the fact that mk2 is easier to achieve due to mk1 being substantially cheaper is definitively a huge benefit to sub mk2 players. I do think this change could have been a lot better... but it could have been a lot worse... This change has "some" good news, whereas the last changes we have seen have all been purely negative... so hey I'll take a silver lining in all the 「dookie」.
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Post by munkeeee on Sept 30, 2023 20:29:24 GMT -5
Same team here folks, same team. There’s stuff we(myself included) agree and disagree on.
The fact we are here talking these points just shows how messed up this game is. Let’s not turn on each other.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Sept 30, 2023 20:45:22 GMT -5
Regarding the actual purpose of this thread, to discuss the changes to the upgrading system, it appears that the 40% upgrades are here to stay, as we have one today! In other (bad) news, it seems that this upgrade rescale is going to only affect items released before 9.4. Let me explain. We youtubers were given items at mk2.6 instead of mk2.1 because that is the new "usable" level of gear that has been newly released. We don't have a pattern yet, but we can speculate further releases will follow this same upgrade distribution. Basically, an older weapon, decay for example, reaches 80% if its max power at mk2.1, which is why the upgrade hump at level 9 sucks. At level 9, you're at about 50% power. The issue is that new weapons now give more damage from mk2, so you need to get to mk2.6 to get 80% power. By my calculations, it costs the same to get from mk1.1 to mk2.6 as it used to cost to get from mk1.1 to mk2.1, so, pretty gross pix move, but still only really affects gigawhales since most of us are probably not rocking the newest equipment a week after release. With this information, make of the changes what you will. To me, it seems pixonic is trying to get a little extra out of their whales whiile slightly improving things for the pocket spenders and free to plays. With 40% sales, the price to get to mk2 is cheap and grindable, but the price to max stuff out is not so great. This can go from being a good thing to being a neutral thing later down the line if we get to the point where literally the only viable gear is post 9.4 gear, but considering how well Ravana and Sonics have held up, I have my doubts. Enjoy your mk2 peeps. You're spot on with this observation and we shall see if the pattern continues. If it does, well that only reinforces the fact that this is a power (bracket) creep that makes it seem like a good deal for the MK1 brigade but it will put them at a further disadvantage against MK2 players unless they can afford to get to 2.6 now. You can see from the new Splinter weapon that it's a 5% blanket increase per level after 2.1 and the price has gone up astronomically. It used to be 2mil to go from 2.1 to 2.2 now it's 22 mil (without upgrade overdrive) and rises thereafter. Sure we will get more silver in matches, but those players with the MK1 hangars are going to need to move up to reap the benefits of that change. Pixonic has deviously calculated all of this and handing out equipment to creators at 2.6 only serves to reinforce that model. This is nothing personal against creators, it's just how I see this whole re-work.  |
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Post by SuperHero on Sept 30, 2023 21:48:57 GMT -5
Sorry to burst your bubble folks. But we DO have codes of conducts for this forum and rules about respecting ALL rule abiding players regardless if you dislike their choices they are legally allowed to make.
And please note that this is still a moderated forum so technically THERE IS NO “FREE” SPEECH here. Anything that has censorship and moderation is technically not free speech.
Free speech doesn’t exist on our forum. lol….
As a privately run and moderated forum with a code of conduct, technically and literally, there is no free speech. Anything moderated and with people who are in charge of censorship will never have free speech.
There IS FREEDOM of speech WITHIN BOUNDARIES. If you want to remain in the community, you have to adhere to those boundaries. And we as mods are the interpreters of what those boundaries are. Take it or leave it
So please abide by the rules and respect each other or bans will start being handed out.
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Post by 0megaman on Oct 1, 2023 0:37:10 GMT -5
You're spot on with this observation and we shall see if the pattern continues. If it does, well that only reinforces the fact that this is a power (bracket) creep that makes it seem like a good deal for the MK1 brigade but it will put them at a further disadvantage against MK2 players unless they can afford to get to 2.6 now. You can see from the new Splinter weapon that it's a 5% blanket increase per level after 2.1 and the price has gone up astronomically. It used to be 2mil to go from 2.1 to 2.2 now it's 22 mil (without upgrade overdrive) and rises thereafter. Sure we will get more silver in matches, but those players with the MK1 hangars are going to need to move up to reap the benefits of that change. Pixonic has deviously calculated all of this and handing out equipment to creators at 2.6 only serves to reinforce that model. I think you (both) hit the nail on the head. Its the line of thinking I was contemplating as well. 'Usable' is clearly a calculation, which means a clear line has to be drawn somewhere. I believe the 2.6 line may have a static use for Pigsonic, and all 'rebalances' center there. As with any social engineering model, the best way is to draw people in, is up to a point where frustration overrides any other consideration. The game is absolutely designed to be extremely frustrating to anyone who hasnt dropped big $$$ into it. Whales and Krill. |
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Post by krebby on Oct 1, 2023 12:24:44 GMT -5
Edit: Interested in what krebby thinks about this new info. I enjoyed our previous discussion. My thoughts haven't really changed on this topic since my last post. Pixonic did a couple of things at once, relevant here are the following two: - First, Pixonic raised the prices to fully upgrade bots/equipment. That is unambiguously bad for players, regardless of whether a player intends to fully upgrade or not. That's because a player may not now intend to fully upgrade something, but change his or her mind in the future.
- Second, Pixonic smoothed out the leveling curve. That change is probably a positive one for most players who will never upgrade things all the way. And as you've noted, it is a negative largely (but not entirely) limited to the seemingly price-insensitive mega-whales who drop an obscene amount of money on a phone game. For anyone else, it probably provides a more reasonable path to upgrading new stuff to usable levels, albeit with the downside of making partially upgraded items more expensive to continue upgrading.
I wish Pixonic had limited itself to just smoothing out the leveling curve, but it didn't. At least the company did not solely raise the prices of upgrading. You changed my mind here. I initially considered the new upgrade costs and leveling curve as mostly negative. I now see those as more mixed—negative concerning price increase, and generally positive toward smoother leveling curve. |
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Post by 0megaman on Oct 1, 2023 13:47:45 GMT -5
- Second, Pixonic smoothed out the leveling curve. That change is probably a positive one for most players who will never upgrade things all the way. And as you've noted, it is a negative largely (but not entirely) limited to the seemingly price-insensitive mega-whales who drop an obscene amount of money on a phone game. For anyone else, it probably provides a more reasonable path to upgrading new stuff to usable levels, albeit with the downside of making partially upgraded items more expensive to continue upgrading.
If Pigsonic follows its pattern to date... yes, it may provide a more reasonable path to upgrade, but the 'usable' aspect wont actually be reached, its simply moving the goal-post while trying to make it look like they arent moving the goal-post. War Robots is primarily about appearances, that social engineering aspect to bring people to spend more money. There will always be a key separation point somewhere between those who drop big money, and those who dont. Pigsonic will do everything from quietly nerfing weapons, capabilities, misc components, or just plain whacking away at some older bots abilities or damage resistance modifiers.
There are only 2 real categories in War Robots, cannon fodder, and wallet-warriors. Removing content creators (really a different animal), everyone will fall into one of the 2 categories no matter what.
* Cannon Fodder - Give them the right appearances, they will drop a few small bucks into War Robots, they still are in the cannon fodder group = more money for Pigsonic.
* Wallet Warriors - Seemingly endless cash, easier to get more money out of them. These guys will buy anything at any $$$, so raise prices, make new meta that cannon fodder cant get or level = more money for Pigsonic.
Matchmaker will almost always make sure Wallet Warriors have plenty of Cannon Fodder at their disposal, and Pigsonic will always make sure Cannon Fodder is easily crushed. In the end, the only real winner is Pigsonic, which is exactly their intent. All players lose one way or another.
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Post by Poopface on Oct 3, 2023 7:45:24 GMT -5
I think this thread has run its course and then some.
Locking it before there is more butthurt.
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