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Post by pwn☆broker on Jul 31, 2023 22:56:21 GMT -5
Barrel drone (maxed) + Last Stand passive module (lvl. 3)  Alas, my Barrel is not maxed... but it is also one of the least expensive T4 drones to upgrade at a -10 microchips cost / level comparable to other T4 drones.- Barrel drone has 40 seconds of "On Low Durability: Damage" and 40 seconds of "On Low Durability: Speed" that both activate when the robot drops below 20% durability.  --and--  - Last Stand passive module at lvl. 3 kicks in -5% durability later with "Upon reaching a critical threshold" for a huge amount (# ?) of temporary defense points (for 3 seconds at lvl. 3).  This all makes me wonder about the wording... "drops below 20%" (drone) is not the same as "upon reaching 20%" (Last Stand module lvl. 4) activation threshold that could give an additional +0.5 seconds of defense points. FYI: In the true spirit of min/max game play, I pair this combo with a maxed Battle Born module for even more bot longevity on my already beefy Cryptic Fenrir.(PS. I'll be sure to give this an empirical evidence drone/passive module test when I get another Last Stand module at lvl. 4.)
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Post by netlag on Nov 16, 2023 10:25:20 GMT -5
Interesting discussion about barrel drone (and others) by Adazahi here: war-robots-forum.freeforums.net/thread/49728/all-reworked-drone-abilities-testedand updated elsewhere: https://www.reddit.com/r/walkingwarrobots/comments/16saf97/drone_tier_list_v95_read_bycomment/ including the following discussion: idkwhattowriteheh "Barrel is hugely underrated, if combined with mender, his speed and dmg can go up so high, it's a secret that not many people know, or utilize, because it's hard, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have a special place" Adazahi "Certainly, most drones (excluding F and Z tier) can be used well when you build into them, the issue is that they're super niche, and often times you can do the same thing better with another drone. For example, barrel's speed and damage will only activate when you have 20% HP left, but shai will give you even more speed at 35% HP, and it trades off the damage at only low HP for the super good defense point ability" ...as it is helpful to discuss in deeper detail what practical ways these drones are working for others. |
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Post by Adazahi on Nov 16, 2023 11:13:24 GMT -5
netlag - something you may have missed about that discussion I had about barrel (and OP would probably be happy to hear) is that barrels ability stacks! I updated my updated tier list a second time, and I raised barrels tier because the ability actually functions in a really interesting way! - When you drop below 20% durability, you get a permanent buff that lasts until your bot dies. Healing up does not remove the buff.- Barrel’s ability has a 40 second cooldown, as it states, which means if you heal back up and then drop below 20% again, you get the buffs again! The only limit to this ability is your grey damage (and the battle time, since a 40 second cooldown is very long), but otherwise you can keep stacking speed and damage boosts. - The player I was discussing barrel with said he used it on mender since it can heal the grey damage. All in all; he can continually stack speed and damage boosts and make his robot deadly and quick. The snowballing potential on barrel is there, but if they buffed the durability threshold to 35% and the cooldown to 20s it might actually be a really good drone! Anyway all that being said, while barrel may be better than we thought, this is certainly not the best drone and passive module combo. It’s good for a pocket-change player or something, but in higher leagues you won’t even get a chance to snowball, and as any top player knows battleborn just stinks (and as good as Last Stand is, it doesn’t hold up when compared to amplifiers IMO). If I had to think of a better combo between a drone and something it would be seeker and a the fafnir shieldbreaker pilot, allowing for infinite quantum radar and shieldbreaker. As for a drone and a passive module specifically, Hiruko with repair or immune amplifier since he can increase durability and help them activate more quickly, or just freakin NA and Kestrel to delete your enemies with like triple damage when maxxed. Hell, if you really like barrel, have you tried to combine it with Overdrive units to further increase the damage on low durability? Or maybe Nitro units to be fast both at high and low durability?
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Post by Schquirrelschak on Nov 16, 2023 15:46:22 GMT -5
netlag - something you may have missed about that discussion I had about barrel (and OP would probably be happy to hear) is that barrels ability stacks! I updated my updated tier list a second time, and I raised barrels tier because the ability actually functions in a really interesting way! - When you drop below 20% durability, you get a permanent buff that lasts until your bot dies. Healing up does not remove the buff.- Barrel’s ability has a 40 second cooldown, as it states, which means if you heal back up and then drop below 20% again, you get the buffs again! The only limit to this ability is your grey damage (and the battle time, since a 40 second cooldown is very long), but otherwise you can keep stacking speed and damage boosts. - The player I was discussing barrel with said he used it on mender since it can heal the grey damage. All in all; he can continually stack speed and damage boosts and make his robot deadly and quick. The snowballing potential on barrel is there, but if they buffed the durability threshold to 35% and the cooldown to 20s it might actually be a really good drone! Anyway all that being said, while barrel may be better than we thought, this is certainly not the best drone and passive module combo. It’s good for a pocket-change player or something, but in higher leagues you won’t even get a chance to snowball, and as any top player knows battleborn just stinks (and as good as Last Stand is, it doesn’t hold up when compared to amplifiers IMO). If I had to think of a better combo between a drone and something it would be seeker and a the fafnir shieldbreaker pilot, allowing for infinite quantum radar and shieldbreaker. As for a drone and a passive module specifically, Hiruko with repair or immune amplifier since he can increase durability and help them activate more quickly, or just freakin NA and Kestrel to delete your enemies with like triple damage when maxxed. Hell, if you really like barrel, have you tried to combine it with Overdrive units to further increase the damage on low durability? Or maybe Nitro units to be fast both at high and low durability? Appreciate the nuanced discussion around less-considered drone pairings for Mender, dovetailing briefly with data-pad pulls and the Seeker thread over on Reddit. TiL to stop ignoring the pile of Barrels in my hangar and dust off one and do a few 'spearmints in a custom game. Good insights! |
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Post by netlag on Nov 17, 2023 14:00:14 GMT -5
netlag - something you may have missed about that discussion I had about barrel (and OP would probably be happy to hear) is that barrels ability stacks! I updated my updated tier list a second time, and I raised barrels tier because the ability actually functions in a really interesting way! - When you drop below 20% durability, you get a permanent buff that lasts until your bot dies. Healing up does not remove the buff.- Barrel’s ability has a 40 second cooldown, as it states, which means if you heal back up and then drop below 20% again, you get the buffs again! The only limit to this ability is your grey damage (and the battle time, since a 40 second cooldown is very long), but otherwise you can keep stacking speed and damage boosts. - The player I was discussing barrel with said he used it on mender since it can heal the grey damage. All in all; he can continually stack speed and damage boosts and make his robot deadly and quick. The snowballing potential on barrel is there, but if they buffed the durability threshold to 35% and the cooldown to 20s it might actually be a really good drone! Anyway all that being said, while barrel may be better than we thought, this is certainly not the best drone and passive module combo. It’s good for a pocket-change player or something, but in higher leagues you won’t even get a chance to snowball, and as any top player knows battleborn just stinks (and as good as Last Stand is, it doesn’t hold up when compared to amplifiers IMO). If I had to think of a better combo between a drone and something it would be seeker and a the fafnir shieldbreaker pilot, allowing for infinite quantum radar and shieldbreaker. As for a drone and a passive module specifically, Hiruko with repair or immune amplifier since he can increase durability and help them activate more quickly, or just freakin NA and Kestrel to delete your enemies with like triple damage when maxxed. Hell, if you really like barrel, have you tried to combine it with Overdrive units to further increase the damage on low durability? Or maybe Nitro units to be fast both at high and low durability? Indeed |
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Post by Jeb on Nov 20, 2023 9:30:00 GMT -5
All I have to say about Barrel at the moment is when I had it with my Siren, the blast animation when I blew up in midair was kind of awesome, like this massive airburst weapon went off.
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Post by pwn☆broker on Nov 23, 2023 13:54:37 GMT -5
netlag - something you may have missed about that discussion I had about barrel (and OP would probably be happy to hear) is that barrels ability stacks! I updated my updated tier list a second time, and I raised barrels tier because the ability actually functions in a really interesting way! - When you drop below 20% durability, you get a permanent buff that lasts until your bot dies. Healing up does not remove the buff.- Barrel’s ability has a 40 second cooldown, as it states, which means if you heal back up and then drop below 20% again, you get the buffs again! The only limit to this ability is your grey damage (and the battle time, since a 40 second cooldown is very long), but otherwise you can keep stacking speed and damage boosts. - The player I was discussing barrel with said he used it on mender since it can heal the grey damage. All in all; he can continually stack speed and damage boosts and make his robot deadly and quick. The snowballing potential on barrel is there, but if they buffed the durability threshold to 35% and the cooldown to 20s it might actually be a really good drone! Anyway all that being said, while barrel may be better than we thought, this is certainly not the best drone and passive module combo. It’s good for a pocket-change player or something, but in higher leagues you won’t even get a chance to snowball, and as any top player knows battleborn just stinks (and as good as Last Stand is, it doesn’t hold up when compared to amplifiers IMO). If I had to think of a better combo between a drone and something it would be seeker and a the fafnir shieldbreaker pilot, allowing for infinite quantum radar and shieldbreaker. As for a drone and a passive module specifically, Hiruko with repair or immune amplifier since he can increase durability and help them activate more quickly, or just freakin NA and Kestrel to delete your enemies with like triple damage when maxxed. Hell, if you really like barrel, have you tried to combine it with Overdrive units to further increase the damage on low durability? Or maybe Nitro units to be fast both at high and low durability? Good to know, and thanks for the feedback / input. I got my Barrel to lvl. 9 now and its been fun (less the Newton and stupid goat bot meta). I'll trade out my Battleborn for Overdrive and give that a spin. Thanks again. |
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Post by pwn☆broker on Aug 17, 2024 8:04:48 GMT -5
Bring out yer dead…  … and I’ll upgrade my sole lvl. 3 (15%) Last Stand to lvl. 5 (25%). |
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Post by pwn☆broker on Sept 30, 2024 22:21:15 GMT -5
Bring out yer dead… (and the Angler / Glider combo surpasses this thread hand over fist) On-topic… Did PIXO implement the 10.4 update, but forgot to update the Barrel text?   |
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