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Post by davortrogon on May 10, 2023 15:54:47 GMT -5
I want to make a tier list of the fastest robots in the game.
I'll be testing them on 2 distances: the 500 meter sprint and the 5,000 meter race. All contestants have their maximum speed setups via pilot skills, drones, and modules (All speed skills, Jump units, and 3 Nitro Units (for most)).
Note*: Kestrel drone was removed from the test due to it being too hard to track. Simultaneously there will be no drones in this test.
In the 500 meter sprint, rushing abilities matter more than constant speed. 500 meter sprint top contestants (Top to bottom based on most likely to win):
Nether Hover Strider Rogatka Imugi Typhon Seraph Fafnir Lynx Skyros Raven Orochi Minos Hellburner Loki Phantom Blitz Ravana Angler Rhino Aether Pursuer Ao Jun Hawk Kuhimo Bolt
In the 5,000 meter race, constant abilities matter a lot more than initial speed. 5,000 meter race top contestants (Top to bottom based on most likely to win):
Rogatka Fafnir Typhon Hover Hellburner Skyros Loki Lynx Phantom Imugi Rhino Blitz Seraph Angler Kuhimo Nether Strider Raven Orochi Ravana Minos Pursuer Hawk Ao Jun Bolt Aether
So this is my estimate so far; how do you think it would play out?
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Post by 079 on May 10, 2023 16:40:44 GMT -5
Strider and Nether obviously win the 500 meter sprint. A dash covers around 100 meters in a second, so the bots with 5 dashes of course are the fastest. As for the 5000 meter race, I think it depends on if pilot skills are allowed. If pilots are allowed, I think Ghost Rogatka and Ghost Typhon are in the running, as are bots like Loki, Purser, and Phantom with Road Hog or Engine Expert. If pilots are not allowed, Skyros, Orochi, Lnyx, and Hellburner are my guesses.
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Post by BB on May 10, 2023 17:34:35 GMT -5
Forgetting to factor in for terrain (if even possible) when it comes to dashing. Smoothy glass Shenzhen vs. choppy bumpin 「bum-bum」 Valley
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Post by airfix2 on May 10, 2023 18:54:47 GMT -5
u forgot about pursuer on your list
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Post by gus169 on May 10, 2023 19:12:00 GMT -5
yeah, you should have a phantom on the list too. I outrun balls in one. blitz too, in ability. you've got some things there that just aren't that quick
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Post by davortrogon on May 10, 2023 23:04:40 GMT -5
Yeah I forgot some let me add them
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Post by davortrogon on May 10, 2023 23:05:13 GMT -5
Also terrain is perfectly flat and pilot skills are allowed
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Post by davortrogon on May 10, 2023 23:08:36 GMT -5
Which things are the slow ones so I remove them
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Post by davortrogon on May 10, 2023 23:10:19 GMT -5
Forgetting to factor in for terrain (if even possible) when it comes to dashing. Smoothy glass Shenzhen vs. choppy bumpin 「bum-bum」 Valley I thought for stuff like this completely flat would be the only way to test; how is anyone going to visualize how every one of these handles the large bump at 2,984 meters?
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Post by davortrogon on May 10, 2023 23:15:26 GMT -5
I'm much more focused on the 5,000 meter race so which ones should I remove for slowness? All the bots need to be fast constantly, so that's why I didn't put stuff with longer cooldowns that didn't do anything in. Ao Jun is there because it's fast for 6 seconds. Probably should take it out. Along with Heichi and Bulgasari. Kuhimo stays because it has a 5 second cooldown on it's charges so it's fast. Rhino is actually really fast; a little slower than Loki but only by about 10 kph. Hover is near the top for obvious reasons. Raven is good while it has jumps, but in a 5,000 meter race, it will have to refuel too much. Nether is good because the dashes are long. Angler should be higher, and so should Ravana.
To be continued
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Post by davortrogon on May 10, 2023 23:22:08 GMT -5
I keep rethinking this and reimagining a new 1st place but it's still Rogatka or Hover. keep in mind they both have jump unit, all speed pilot skills, 4 kills with a Kestrel drone, and 3 Nitro units. The Hover can take off extremely fast with jump units, and the Rogatka just has insane speed. I think the Rogatka will run faster in the long run though.
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Post by davortrogon on May 10, 2023 23:25:23 GMT -5
Oh yeah for the 500 meter sprint I forgot something - the Hover has this unique takeoff ability where basically it uses either 2 initial jumps or a jump unit and initial jump in 1 launch - it can cross and touch the ceiling of 1/2 of Shenzhen it 2 seconds. I timed it. Only because of this do I think it could beat the Strider; this special jump combined with 3 Nitro units would beat the Strider with it's Nitro units.
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Post by gus169 on May 11, 2023 1:17:23 GMT -5
It's a really interesting test you're setting up here. I'd like to see a similar comparison without the skills/mod/drone boosts, but your 'boosted' test will still be highly valuable. I'm surprised by the Rhino's inclusion, though I don't doubt your research. It really does motor along with the shield up, despite the terrible cornering. Looking back at your list, I guess they all qualify for the race, but I wonder how something like a Bulgasari would cope when it's dashes ran out - hence the 2 distances - or how far can a Raven (or Hover) cover with its ability? There are so many variables, it's a bit of a mindwrecker. At any rate, I'm sure we all appreciate your research. Looking forward to your results
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on May 11, 2023 6:33:37 GMT -5
And in the guaranteed last-to-finish-down-a-ramp category: Fenrir
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Post by spectre729 on May 11, 2023 7:32:59 GMT -5
a natasha could win the 500 meters race if it went through a portal set up by a Imugi and then it teleports it to the finish line 500 meters away...
crickets...
someone throws a pie while screaming "ur not funny GTFO"
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Post by BB on May 11, 2023 8:08:06 GMT -5
Forgetting to factor in for terrain (if even possible) when it comes to dashing. Smoothy glass Shenzhen vs. choppy bumpin 「bum-bum」 Valley I thought for stuff like this completely flat would be the only way to test; how is anyone going to visualize how every one of these handles the large bump at 2,984 meters? Good point, I have no answer 🤣
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Post by davortrogon on May 11, 2023 12:02:11 GMT -5
It's a really interesting test you're setting up here. I'd like to see a similar comparison without the skills/mod/drone boosts, but your 'boosted' test will still be highly valuable. I'm surprised by the Rhino's inclusion, though I don't doubt your research. It really does motor along with the shield up, despite the terrible cornering. Looking back at your list, I guess they all qualify for the race, but I wonder how something like a Bulgasari would cope when it's dashes ran out - hence the 2 distances - or how far can a Raven (or Hover) cover with its ability? There are so many variables, it's a bit of a mindwrecker. At any rate, I'm sure we all appreciate your research. Looking forward to your results I could do another test without the boosts to see how good everything is. I probably will once we decide this one, depending on how it goes. Rhino has been proven to be very fast; Predator made a video on it and it runs around 100 kph. I was thinking of taking Heichi and Bulgasari off of the list and replacing them with Bolt and Skyros. Bolt's dash may help it keep up with the bottom leagues and the Skyros is about as fast as the Rhino, so I'll put those in there. A Raven with 3 jumps - 2 from the ability and the 1 from the Jump unit - can cover about 700 meters. As a rough estimate. The Hover can fly forever. Plain and simple. It also is among the fastest robots in the game. The reason it's not going to do entirely as well as the fastest is because it's flight is a jump, and at the end of the day the Nitro units don't help besides the initial acceleration. The initial jump, however, combined with the jump unit at the same moment (I have a tutorial on how flight works in the flight school thread) given there is no ceiling (or a ceiling regardless but there is no ceiling), would grant it tremendous speed. I actually think in this moment it might take the title of the fastest robot in the game; it's going about as fast as a speeding Seraph but the same speed up as well; ending up in a 45 degree angle. Even without the jump unit, even at level 1, all Hovers eventually slow to the same speed. It's really fast, but it's still the same speed. Also this was more of a poll based on guesses and estimates - I only have my small hanger with my scarce amount of robots; no robot even mk2 and no Pilot maxed. I don't even have 1 Nitro unit. I don't have a Kestrel drone. This is more based on feedback, and if we can, video evidence. Speaking of, I'm going to go get the video of Predator using the Rhino for speed.
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Post by davortrogon on May 11, 2023 12:04:44 GMT -5
a natasha could win the 500 meters race if it went through a portal set up by a Imugi and then it teleports it to the finish line 500 meters away... crickets...
someone throws a pie while screaming "ur not funny GTFO"Oh yeah Imugi I forgot
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Post by davortrogon on May 11, 2023 12:11:07 GMT -5
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Post by davortrogon on May 11, 2023 12:11:48 GMT -5
So after watching all the videos on Rhino, I'm lowering on the list. It's not as fast as I thought.
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Post by davortrogon on May 11, 2023 12:17:43 GMT -5
Skip to about 2:25 on this video
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Post by davortrogon on May 11, 2023 12:20:32 GMT -5
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Post by davortrogon on May 11, 2023 12:21:07 GMT -5
This one is perfect
I also want to point out that for the last test they launched wrong; you're supposed to build speed to accelerate forward. If they both had jump units and the Hover did the special module initial jump, it could have been 60% of the way there when the Nether finished.
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Post by davortrogon on May 11, 2023 12:28:16 GMT -5
For 5,000 meters, The Hover would outclass the Nether because of constant speed. It all comes down to constant speed - if your only the fastest 1/2 the time then you're not going to win this.
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Post by davortrogon on May 11, 2023 12:30:12 GMT -5
I think it's time we have a vote, more or less: Which ones do you think would win? How would you have this list ordered? Remember that in this specific event all robots have all Nitro Units, Jump Modules, and all Speed skills. I'm removing the Kestrel drone as a factor because it's too hard to calculate.
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Post by gus169 on May 12, 2023 0:00:17 GMT -5
That speedtest vid was good, if a little bit scattered. I was stoked to see the Gareth win its round, and yeah, he looked like he'd never played a Hover before. No real surprises with the Nether. It's always been a Strider on steroids. Sprint professionals, both. This is why we need to differentiate between 'sprinters' and 'long distance' runners. A bit like 'burst dps' vs 'cyclic'.
I think I'd put both 5dash bots on top, Nether in front (its dash seems to go further though Strider is slightly quicker without dash). They both recharge pretty quick, giving another dash every 10 seconds and they both won their rounds doing a lap of Castle easily. I agree that the Hover is very capable, but it needs a skilled pilot, and the Raven can cover a lot of ground very quick, but how much depends on the pilot. It's all these variables that make this so tricky. That's why I see 'base speed' as so important, and why I'd like to see a 'no boost' version of this. But I guess we can just look at base speeds in the store, which put the Stalker in 1st place (66kph) ahead of the Phantom (60kph), both outpacing Lynx.
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Post by gus169 on May 12, 2023 3:32:04 GMT -5
Just putting this up here for reference (and maybe interest). Base speeds, from the store - so lvl 1.1 - ranked. I've only added a mark (+) to indicate built-in abilities which give a speed boost.
KPH - Bot
66 - Stalker 60 - Phantom (+) 58 - Gepard 56 - Lynx (+) 55 - Bolt (+) 54 - Orochi (+) 52 - Skyros (+) 50 - Pursuer, Hover (+) 49 - Gareth, Jesse, Scorpion 48 - Rayker, Ares 47 - Blitz (+), Jaeger 46 - Rogatka, Kumiho (+), Strider (+), Hellburner (+), Cerberus, Nemesis 45 - Demeter, Leech, Mars (+), Nether (+) 44 - Cossack, Nightingale, Angler (+) 43 - Mender (+), Typhon, Ravana (+) 42 - Destrier, Fenrir 40 - Ao Qin, Raven (+), Falcon, Weyland, Loki, Invader, Hades, Khepri (+) 39 - Doc, Fujin 38 - Galahad, Mercury, Harpy, Siren, Imugi (+) 37 - Spectre 36 - Tyr, Erebus, Seraph 35 - Natasha, Griffin, Fury, Bulgasari (+), Haechi (+), Bulwark 33 - Butch, Ao Guang, Inquisitor, Ao Jun, Hawk, Shell, Revenant 32 - Vityaz, Leo 31 - Raijin 30 - Patton, Carnage (+), Fafnir 29 - Behemoth 28 - Rhino (+) 27 - Lancelot (+)
Clearly this is not answering any questions that have been posed, but just giving some baselines
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Post by Jeb on May 12, 2023 10:30:38 GMT -5
Raven double jump is hard to beat in a 500M (or beacon-to-beacon) race, in my experience. I've outrun Blitzes and Phantoms in full sprint mode. I've jumped over Seraphs flying to the same beacon. As long as there's not game lag at the start of the game, if I want to be first on a beacon, I usually am.
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Post by davortrogon on May 12, 2023 12:57:10 GMT -5
And in the guaranteed last-to-finish-down-a-ramp category: Fenrir The Fenrir can actually get pretty quick; I've seen some that definitely go over 60 kph. Because we are using Nitro units and Pilot skills, the slowest thing would be something without module slots. Probably Golem, Boa, or Cossack.
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Post by davortrogon on May 12, 2023 13:08:56 GMT -5
That speedtest vid was good, if a little bit scattered. I was stoked to see the Gareth win its round, and yeah, he looked like he'd never played a Hover before. No real surprises with the Nether. It's always been a Strider on steroids. Sprint professionals, both. This is why we need to differentiate between 'sprinters' and 'long distance' runners. A bit like 'burst dps' vs 'cyclic'. I think I'd put both 5dash bots on top, Nether in front (its dash seems to go further though Strider is slightly quicker without dash). They both recharge pretty quick, giving another dash every 10 seconds and they both won their rounds doing a lap of Castle easily. I agree that the Hover is very capable, but it needs a skilled pilot, and the Raven can cover a lot of ground very quick, but how much depends on the pilot. It's all these variables that make this so tricky. That's why I see 'base speed' as so important, and why I'd like to see a 'no boost' version of this. But I guess we can just look at base speeds in the store, which put the Stalker in 1st place (66kph) ahead of the Phantom (60kph), both outpacing Lynx. I would also put both 5 dash bots on top, if it weren't for Hover's module boosted jump. Since I've never seen anyone else except me pull it off I'm going to teach you guys how to do it. So to do this, the 1st thing you need is to have a jump module. Then, once you're in a round or custom game, use your ability and the jump module at the exact same time. I recommend practicing in either a custom game or extermination level 1. I did give a detailed description on how all flight worked in the flight school thread; I'm going to move that here so we have an idea of how flight works. It will also show what certain robots are capable of that could give them an edge in this race.
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