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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 17, 2022 13:34:58 GMT -5
Fyi as of Aug 17, all the nerfs and buffs for titans in 8.3 have not gone into effect. I will update this when they are active.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 19, 2022 16:45:10 GMT -5
Tofsla just mentioned rebalances coming next week. Will update when they go live
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 22, 2022 12:10:26 GMT -5
ATTENTION Now is the time to start checking how our titan equipment performs post nerf/buff  |
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Post by munkeeee on Aug 22, 2022 12:25:33 GMT -5
First of all, we are tuning down the blinding builds and the new vacuum cannons:
Dazzler: -10% damage, reduced ammo (120 → 90), effect accumulation rate lowered (20%)
Lantern: -5% damage, reduced ammo (120 → 90), effect accumulation rate lowered (10%)
Gargantua: -15% damage, reduced zone of fire (30' → 27')
Pantagruel: -5% damage, reduced zone of fire (30' → 27')
We’re convinced that it’s the Dazzler-Lantern (and Cinder) builds that make Murometz and Luchador so dominant, but just to be sure we’ll give these titans a slight nerf as well to carve space for other competitors:
Murometz: reduced Hard Rain duration (8 → 6 sec), reduced extra damage from Core upgrades (25% → 18%), removed Stealth while landing
Luchador: reduced Reflector power from the Ultimate Defence ability (91% → 80%), reduced structural damage mitigation from Core upgrades (48% → 35%)
Cinder: -10% damage, reduced ammo (45 → 40), increased reload time (11.25 → 16 sec)
These buffs will make the life a bit easier for the supports:
Heimdall: +10% repair from the Golden Horn ability, +10% damage from the built-in rocket launcher
Nodens: +7% durability
Self-fix Unit: +20% repair power
And these will provide for a solid long-range combo for Sharanga:
Sharanga: reduced cooldown for Full Power ability (10 → 8 sec)
Striker: increased ammo (7 → 8), longer reload time (7 → 8 sec), decreased damage per 1 charge (5%)
We also decided to try and revive the obvious outsiders:
Tsar: becomes a titan version of Trident, increased ammo (1 → 3), increased reload time (4 → 10 sec), reduced shot interval (1 → 0.33 sec), decreased damage per shot (40%)
Rupture: +10% damage, -10% reload time
And, finally, there is a list of miscellaneous nerfs and buffs as a result of our statistical research:
Grom: -20% damage, reduced ammo (12 → 8)
Vengeance: increased reload time (8 → 10 sec), reduced ammo (108 → 94), decreased damage (15%)
Retaliator: reduced reload time (12 → 10 sec), decreased damage (16%)
Gendarme: reduced reload time (15 → 12 sec), increased damage (10%)
Cuirassier: reduced reload time (15 → 12 sec), increased damage (5%)
Bulava: +15% damage
Kisten: +20% damage
We are redistributing a significant part of the equipment to lower tiers. The acquisition and upgrade costs for that equipment will be noticeably reduced. At the same time, we are increasing the upgrade costs of T4 weapons (both existing and future ones), so that the cost better matches the item's place on the power curve.
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Post by johnny2cool on Aug 22, 2022 12:44:35 GMT -5
Grom got nerfed an extra 10% more than previously stated and cinder reload they added another 2 seconds more as well.
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Post by munkeeee on Aug 22, 2022 12:48:23 GMT -5
With some of the buffs/nerfs, seems we are going backwards almost
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 22, 2022 15:42:38 GMT -5
sad and lame, look at the graph % comparisons pre and post nerf near end of video
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Post by munkeeee on Aug 22, 2022 18:15:06 GMT -5
I may not be the best, may not be the most experienced, and not have the top gear, but I’ll play til it’s unbearable and becomes a waste of my time.
I’ll still run fun stuff, try to get an edge here and there. But continue to force my hand into their meta world for $$$, is going to rot this game from the inside out.
Just my opinion
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Post by shawngonakillyou on Aug 22, 2022 19:18:15 GMT -5
I may not be the best, may not be the most experienced, and not have the top gear, but I’ll play til it’s unbearable and becomes a waste of my time. I’ll still run fun stuff, try to get an edge here and there. But continue to force my hand into their meta world for $$$, is going to rot this game from the inside out. Just my opinion There are a few times that it was clear there was a push to drive investment in the new as Pix mega-nerf the old. This is one of the clearest examples I can recall. Nerfing the blinders I agree with. But nerfing the just-released vacuum cleaners which are not overpowered is a little much. And essentially nerfing every other titan weapon that was useful in any regard is just a slap in the face and an obvious play to drive investment when paired with how overpowered the new weapons are. Muro did not really need a nerf, the weapons did - it is the same mechanics and impact that the harpy/siren bendy scourge had. Nerf the bendy weapon and it significantly reduced siren and harpy use. Nerf the blinders enough and release and OP brawler weapon and Muro users would have self selected other options. The blinder dominance is what drove Muro to be everywhere. Muro was a good balance between fragility, firepower, and stealth. Very few titans went down as fast when caught in the open. I haven’t played it since the nerf, but reports out don’t look good. Feels like another bot relegated to the garage. Luch needed a bit of a nerf when considering the new titan modules that were in development. I think this was the only legitimately intelligent nerf of the bunch. The Nodens buff is much appreciated for those of us fans of the healing arts. I feel like I can use Nodens with more faith now. |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Aug 22, 2022 19:47:29 GMT -5
We’re convinced that it’s the Dazzler-Lantern (and Cinder) builds that make Murometz and Luchador so dominant That is either a flat out lie, or the worst lack of self-awareness in history. It's Pix's desire to create insanely OP new content that makes Luchador so dominant. Crazy high HP Insane mobility for a Titan. Not one, but TWO crazy OP abilities. But sure, it was the weapons that made it dominant, we'll go with that. |
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Post by shawngonakillyou on Aug 22, 2022 20:36:42 GMT -5
We’re convinced that it’s the Dazzler-Lantern (and Cinder) builds that make Murometz and Luchador so dominant That is either a flat out lie, or the worst lack of self-awareness in history. It's Pix's desire to create insanely OP new content that makes Luchador so dominant. Crazy high HP Insane mobility for a Titan. Not one, but TWO crazy OP abilities. But sure, it was the weapons that made it dominant, we'll go with that. Muro was more weapons than Luchador. Luch had some crazy abilities and HP. I think I agree with you on this one. It’s kinda like Indra, the new silly OP titan. But in Pixs defense, they release a well balanced titan and almost no one used it….Hiemdall anyone…so we’re all complicit in Pixs strategy. They release a balanced bot, not one invests in it. They release some crazy OP bot and everyone goes nuts to get it an level it (OK, not everyone, but an overwhelming number compared to Heimdall….). We can blame Pix all we want (and they deserve it plenty), but we all play a huge role in guiding why they do it they way they do. |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Aug 22, 2022 21:00:09 GMT -5
That is either a flat out lie, or the worst lack of self-awareness in history. It's Pix's desire to create insanely OP new content that makes Luchador so dominant. Crazy high HP Insane mobility for a Titan. Not one, but TWO crazy OP abilities. But sure, it was the weapons that made it dominant, we'll go with that. Muro was more weapons than Luchador. Luch had some crazy abilities and HP. I think I agree with you on this one. It’s kinda like Indra, the new silly OP titan. But in Pixs defense, they release a well balanced titan and almost no one used it….Hiemdall anyone…so we’re all complicit in Pixs strategy. They release a balanced bot, not one invests in it. They release some crazy OP bot and everyone goes nuts to get it an level it (OK, not everyone, but an overwhelming number compared to Heimdall….). We can blame Pix all we want (and they deserve it plenty), but we all play a huge role in guiding why they do it they way they do. No one invested in Heimdall because Luchador was (and still is) much stonger, and most players already had one. If Heimdall release had coincided with a significant Luch nerf, it would have been much more popular. |
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Post by shawngonakillyou on Aug 22, 2022 21:13:34 GMT -5
Muro was more weapons than Luchador. Luch had some crazy abilities and HP. I think I agree with you on this one. It’s kinda like Indra, the new silly OP titan. But in Pixs defense, they release a well balanced titan and almost no one used it….Hiemdall anyone…so we’re all complicit in Pixs strategy. They release a balanced bot, not one invests in it. They release some crazy OP bot and everyone goes nuts to get it an level it (OK, not everyone, but an overwhelming number compared to Heimdall….). We can blame Pix all we want (and they deserve it plenty), but we all play a huge role in guiding why they do it they way they do. No one invested in Heimdall because Luchador was (and still is) much stonger, and most players already had one. If Heimdall release had coincided with a significant Luch nerf, it would have been much more popular. I disagree with that. I think Hiemdall was not better than almost any other titan, Arthur and kid included so no one was investing in it. Pix tried a balanced release and the players rejected it. Hiemdall was good on release, just not leaps and bounds better than anything else out, so no one invests. That is the cycle. If it is not widely better than whatever else is dominating at the time, far fewer people would bother to invest (both resources and the time to learn a new bot). I was running Muro even though I had a maxed Biahu Luchador. It was the best Luch counter and a fun bot. I ran it when it was only Kraits available. The blinders are when Muro showed up everywhere. I had a Scavenger Hiemdall sitting unleveled in my hanger then too and enough platinum to level it. Wasn’t worth it… Some would level non-OP gear just for the novelty of a new bot, but not nearly as many as if it is released super OP. We never put our money where our mouth is as players. I AM NOT DEFENDING PIX’s behaviors so much as condemning out part in the dance. |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Aug 22, 2022 21:24:30 GMT -5
No one invested in Heimdall because Luchador was (and still is) much stonger, and most players already had one. If Heimdall release had coincided with a significant Luch nerf, it would have been much more popular. I disagree with that. I think Hiemdall was not better than almost any other titan, Arthur and kid included so no one was investing in it. Pix tried a balanced release and the players rejected it. Hiemdall was good on release, just not leaps and bounds better than anything else out, so no one invests. That is the cycle. If it is not widely better than whatever else is dominating at the time, far fewer people would bother to invest (both resources and the time to learn a new bot). I was running Muro even though I had a maxed Biahu Luchador. It was the best Luch counter and a fun bot. I ran it when it was only Kraits available. The blinders are when Muro showed up everywhere. I had a Scavenger Hiemdall sitting unleveled in my hanger then too and enough platinum to level it. Wasnât worth it⦠Some would level non-OP gear just for the novelty of a new bot, but not nearly as many as if it is released super OP. We never put our money where our mouth is as players. I AM NOT DEFENDING PIXâs behaviors so much as condemning out part in the dance. Thing is, without Luchador on the field, Arthur/Ao Ming/Nodens/Minos/Sharanga/Murometz/Heimdall are all reasonably well balanced with unique roles and characteristics. And Luchador smokes all of them. The only reasons not to use Lucha (in order of popularity): 1) Don't have one 2) Don't have enough Pt to upgrade one 3) REALLY prefer the specific role of [Other Titan Name] 4) Refuse to run OP Bull「dookie」-Bots The general consensus in my Clan at the time was "Sure Heimdall looks cool, but it's much weaker than Luchador, so not worth the investment." Incidentally, up until last week, I was Reason #1, now I'm a combination of 2-4. Heimdall is probably the only Titan I would choose over my Arthur(maybe,see Reason #3), when and if I ever get one. |
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Post by munkeeee on Aug 22, 2022 21:48:17 GMT -5
One has to think though, for those been playing way longer than most, have stockpiles of gear and resources, they have the luxury to upgrade the latest and greatest quick. Not to mention those that play for endless hours a day. Like a lot here in the forum, we belong to the older crowd, so we have jobs, responsibilities, families, kids, etc. we adult! We don’t get the time to play hrs upon hrs raising our coffers to extreme levels. That said, just the few yrs I been playing I’ve won just about every bot, module and weapon multiple times over, and sold more.
I continually remind myself it’s just a game, reset, and go about trying to have fun. When that runs out, I put the game down.
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Post by shawngonakillyou on Aug 22, 2022 21:54:39 GMT -5
I disagree with that. I think Hiemdall was not better than almost any other titan, Arthur and kid included so no one was investing in it. Pix tried a balanced release and the players rejected it. Hiemdall was good on release, just not leaps and bounds better than anything else out, so no one invests. That is the cycle. If it is not widely better than whatever else is dominating at the time, far fewer people would bother to invest (both resources and the time to learn a new bot). I was running Muro even though I had a maxed Biahu Luchador. It was the best Luch counter and a fun bot. I ran it when it was only Kraits available. The blinders are when Muro showed up everywhere. I had a Scavenger Hiemdall sitting unleveled in my hanger then too and enough platinum to level it. Wasnât worth it⦠Some would level non-OP gear just for the novelty of a new bot, but not nearly as many as if it is released super OP. We never put our money where our mouth is as players. I AM NOT DEFENDING PIXâs behaviors so much as condemning out part in the dance. Thing is, without Luchador on the field, Arthur/Ao Ming/Nodens/Minos/Sharanga/Murometz/Heimdall are all reasonably well balanced with unique roles and characteristics. And Luchador smokes all of them. The only reasons not to use Lucha (in order of popularity): 1) Don't have one 2) Don't have enough Pt to upgrade one 3) REALLY prefer the specific role of [Other Titan Name] 4) Refuse to run OP Bull「dookie」-Bots The general consensus in my Clan at the time was "Sure Heimdall looks cool, but it's much weaker than Luchador, so not worth the investment." Incidentally, up until last week, I was Reason #1, now I'm a combination of 2-4. Heimdall is probably the only Titan I would choose over my Arthur(maybe,see Reason #3), when and if I ever get one. I agree with most of what you said there. The only thing I’d disagree with is Muro can smoke a Luch. I win most of those battles. Northlight helped Luch more than Muro and brought it closer to even, but that Muro Emp combined with its weapons array could wipe out a Luch in one full flight. It was the only bot that could counter Luch, but it was good at it. Luch may have a slight edge in Beacon Rush because of the ability to spawn right next to a Muro, but even then, a good Muro pilot should be able to win more than lose. Muro is squishy if you can corner it, but it’s strengths were a perfect counter to Luchador. Not anymore though. Pix saw to that, to your point…Muro would have also been a problem for Indra, and there is no way they were going to allow that… But I agree that most titans are pretty well balanced against each other. Curious if Luchador will still reign after the nerf. I know they killed Muro because of its ability ti impact Indra, but Luch wasn’t a huge threat to Indra. I don’t think many titans would be besides Muro…almost like pix planned that  |
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Aug 22, 2022 22:16:27 GMT -5
I agree with most of what you said there. The only thing I’d disagree with is Muro can smoke a Luch. I win most of those battles. Northlight helped Luch more than Muro and brought it closer to even, but that Muro Emp combined with its weapons array could wipe out a Luch in one full flight. It was the only bot that could counter Luch, but it was good at it. Luch may have a slight edge in Beacon Rush because of the ability to spawn right next to a Muro, but even then, a good Muro pilot should be able to win more than lose. Muro is squishy if you can corner it, but it’s strengths were a perfect counter to Luchador. Not anymore though. Pix saw to that, to your point…Muro would have also been a problem for Indra, and there is no way they were going to allow that… But I agree that most titans are pretty well balanced against each other. Curious if Luchador will still reign after the nerf. I know they killed Muro because of its ability ti impact Indra, but Luch wasn’t a huge threat to Indra. I don’t think many titans would be besides Muro…almost like pix planned that Muro vs Luch generally comes down to who gets the drop on whom, some edge to Muro, but Luch makes up for it in its ability to project power...Luch can storm beacons, while Muro just plays support, so while Muro may win head-to-head, Luch generally gets more done on the battlefield. Muro is definitely a nightmare when there's 3-4 of them popping up in series, no lie... |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Aug 22, 2022 22:37:16 GMT -5
No one invested in Heimdall because Luchador was (and still is) much stonger, and most players already had one. If Heimdall release had coincided with a significant Luch nerf, it would have been much more popular. I disagree with that. I think Hiemdall was not better than almost any other titan, Arthur and kid included so no one was investing in it. Pix tried a balanced release and the players rejected it. Hiemdall was good on release, just not leaps and bounds better than anything else out, so no one invests. That is the cycle. If it is not widely better than whatever else is dominating at the time, far fewer people would bother to invest (both resources and the time to learn a new bot). I was running Muro even though I had a maxed Biahu Luchador. It was the best Luch counter and a fun bot. I ran it when it was only Kraits available. The blinders are when Muro showed up everywhere. I had a Scavenger Hiemdall sitting unleveled in my hanger then too and enough platinum to level it. Wasnât worth it⦠Some would level non-OP gear just for the novelty of a new bot, but not nearly as many as if it is released super OP. We never put our money where our mouth is as players. I AM NOT DEFENDING PIXâs behaviors so much as condemning out part in the dance. Lets briefly have a closer look. So basically, it seems to me to come down to two things with spending in this context: staying competitive in top clans, and peoples concern for personal stats reputations. Pix tries to guide meta by nerfing old things to extremes so that people will invest, not merely in ânew stuffâ, but invest in staying competitive at the top levels and thereby maintain oneâs status. Obviously another reason is it is fun to be strong, so people invest in being able to have that fun, but the primary culprits in maintaining the cycle you speak of are the top clans. You know they will pay whatever it takes to get it quickly and max it immediately, so clan members have to go along for the most part. Then the general player population follows the trend slowly but surely. Now, the biggest slap in the face has always been that players invest a lot of time and money into equipment and levels, then the company essentially nerfs several levels of that equipment backwards so that for example, a 3.1 Skadi performs as if it were a 1.12 Skadi, all without ever compensating players for the money and resources that were pretty much just stolen by Pixonic. Knowing this, we can either keep investing in new stuff that eventually becomes less combat efficient, or use what we have and get placed wherever we do. I personally donât care about my stats or where I get placed, but this is also easier for me because I dont squad or clan anymore. If I really like something I will spend on it, as you can see from my Eddie Mace Rog, but Iâm becoming less and less focussed on getting 「dookie」 so leveled up. When it comes to the titans and nerfs, I will be using what I have and not investing in anymore new titan gear. If it doesnât do well, oh well. |
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Post by shadethefluffmech on Aug 23, 2022 14:49:16 GMT -5
Yknow
I don't give a flying 「fluffernutter」 about the weapon nerfs
What I care about
IS I CAN MAYBE BUY WEAPONS NOW lmao
Seriously the old prices were atrocious
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