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Post by altascot on Aug 12, 2022 9:07:24 GMT -5
Am I the only one who is unhappy about Pix's recent move to sell bots and weapons pre-leveled to MK2? After having spent a lot of time and resources to get just a couple of my bots to MK2, I feel insulted (but not surprised) that Pix is now giving players a pay-to-win advantage over those of us that leveled up "the old fashioned way". How do you feel about it?
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Post by OU812? on Aug 12, 2022 9:43:20 GMT -5
I see your point of view and understand why you feel that way. Personally, I’m ok with it because I believe it validates what I’ve thought for a very long time. Pix is gonna Pix. Pixonic will do anything to make a buck, no matter how polarizing to the player base.
At the same time, selling upgraded bots demonstrates how previous Pix profit schemes are less profitable. They’re having to do things the player base previously saw as unthinkable. ‘Selling fully upgraded bots when all along they’ve wanted it to take X amount of time and cost X amount to speed it up? Whoa……’ (Notice that the remarkable Khepri sales this week are for a bot that’s getting nerf-hammered soon? Pix is gonna Pix.)
My pipe dream: Pix realizes that they’ve so poisoned the well with the player base they attempt to balance much of the existing content in the game; Mechs and weapons at least. They could still release drones, chips and pilots for the whales and wallet warriors to feast on.
Go ahead laugh at that. I do, and it’s my pipe dream.
When Pix comes up with a new money making scheme or alters the meta in such a way that irks the player base I just remind myself that War Robots is less a of a game than it is an arms race.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Aug 12, 2022 10:29:52 GMT -5
The top P2W players have always been able to buy MkII gear...
1) Buy Item 2) Buy buttload of Au 3) Buy buttload of Ag 4) Rush upgrade to max level.
Being able to do this more affordably and more conveniently actually levels the ayong field a bit for low/moderate spenders.
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Post by CrownBlack on Aug 12, 2022 10:45:12 GMT -5
almost "fell" for the Kephri offer yesterday BUT decided a bunch of 1's and 0's arent worth 30 bucks.
IF the price is right however I would do it.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Aug 12, 2022 11:40:57 GMT -5
It fits the meme of selling a big,red win button.
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Post by britaindragon on Aug 12, 2022 11:59:29 GMT -5
I agree with you but they are still pretty good deals. i got the crimson hawk deal with 4 MK2 blast guns. I have the regular hawk to lv 9 and no intention to get it up to mk2. 4 mk2 blaster is irresistible. I have a feeling mk4 is on the way.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Aug 12, 2022 16:10:22 GMT -5
The top P2W players have always been able to buy MkII gear... 1) Buy Item 2) Buy buttload of Au 3) Buy buttload of Ag 4) Rush upgrade to max level. Being able to do this more affordably and more conveniently actually levels the ayong field a bit for low/moderate spenders. Got to agree with this. When you think about how much time, silver and gold it takes to level a bot and 4 weapons to mk2 (close to 1 billion in silver alone), this is a pretty good option and the prices are not outrageous. The bots so far offered are still relevant but been out for a while so those that want to pay for an early release advantage still get that. I haven't bought one but it's got me looking at the daily deals, which is something I never used to do.
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Post by kamikazejohnson on Aug 12, 2022 17:07:58 GMT -5
The top P2W players have always been able to buy MkII gear... 1) Buy Item 2) Buy buttload of Au 3) Buy buttload of Ag 4) Rush upgrade to max level. Being able to do this more affordably and more conveniently actually levels the ayong field a bit for low/moderate spenders. Got to agree with this. When you think about how much time, silver and gold it takes to level a bot and 4 weapons to mk2 (close to 1 billion in silver alone), this is a pretty good option and the prices are not outrageous. The bots so far offered are still relevant but been out for a while so those that want to pay for an early release advantage still get that. I haven't bought one but it's got me looking at the daily deals, which is something I never used to do. SE Hover MkII for $9.99? I'd be all over that!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 20:02:13 GMT -5
it's just a cover up , instead of them fixing the tanking issue they are making it possible for new players to start in lower leagues with high level bots dominating everyone .....those who don't spend or spend very little ...well there's no point in them sticking around now .
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Post by TheFiend on Aug 13, 2022 2:33:52 GMT -5
it's just a cover up , instead of them fixing the tanking issue they are making it possible for new players to start in lower leagues with high level bots dominating everyone .....those who don't spend or spend very little ...well there's no point in them sticking around now . I kind of agree, it's almost like in order to balance the downward tanking, Pix created a way to upward 'tank'(?) too. I'm M3/M2, and in the middle, with Mk1/Lvl9 gear, so I'll either get tanked and spanked in stereo or it could actually help dilute all the Champs I get poorly matched with...we'll see! Eitherway, I'm a very small minnow dolphin who only spends money on the game to reward Pix when they make me happy...so not a lot at all these days. I stick to my opinion that this game has always been a lot about patience, planning and counter planning, in every sense!
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Post by Wolfblood7 on Aug 13, 2022 3:27:57 GMT -5
It doesn't seem too bad - it makes it easier for lower spenders to acquire more gear. Wish I had gotten those deals earlier lol
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Post by dinnerplain on Aug 13, 2022 6:13:52 GMT -5
It doesn't seem too bad - it makes it easier for lower spenders to acquire more gear. Wish I had gotten those deals earlier lol That's how I see it too, making it easier for folks to play with uplevel'd bots and weapons. The choice of what gets offered at Mk2 is interesting - a lot of bots I wouldn't touch today. One thing about starting with Mk2 bots is that all module slots will be active, instead of having to wait because Putonic.
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Post by altascot on Aug 13, 2022 17:28:22 GMT -5
it's just a cover up , instead of them fixing the tanking issue they are making it possible for new players to start in lower leagues with high level bots dominating everyone .....those who don't spend or spend very little ...well there's no point in them sticking around now . This is what I've been thinking, too. What's the point of even having MK 1 anymore? Matchmaking has been poor at best for a while but getting my a** kicked by both Champion AND Expert III leagues now??? It's really beyond the pale.
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Post by altascot on Aug 13, 2022 17:37:51 GMT -5
it's just a cover up , instead of them fixing the tanking issue they are making it possible for new players to start in lower leagues with high level bots dominating everyone .....those who don't spend or spend very little ...well there's no point in them sticking around now . I kind of agree, it's almost like in order to balance the downward tanking, Pix created a way to upward 'tank'(?) too. I'm M3/M2, and in the middle, with Mk1/Lvl9 gear, so I'll either get tanked and spanked in stereo or it could actually help dilute all the Champs I get poorly matched with...we'll see! Eitherway, I'm a very small minnow dolphin who only spends money on the game to reward Pix when they make me happy...so not a lot at all these days. I stick to my opinion that this game has always been a lot about patience, planning and counter planning, in every sense! My situation is akin to yours: Master 1 and MK1 / Lvl 9 for most of my gear. My spending went from a lot (don't even ask), to zero, to now only small amounts (i.e. $10 or less) when it's something I really want and I feel has value to me. I've only ever wanted to just have fun with this game and was fine spending some money on it (one of my few self-indulgences), but as much as I want to feel betrayed by this latest money grab, I admit that it's I who decided and continues to decide to give Pix my money in the face of a very obvious pay-to-win model.
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Post by T34 on Aug 13, 2022 18:33:00 GMT -5
I don’t think it makes much difference. They are about to be nerfed gear anyway so be cautious when buying. Mainly for suckers and collectors. Low level players will have a huge advantage but all that will be gone as they quickly ascend through the leagues. Pix doesn’t care about balance one bit if you put your money down.
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Post by pauliebingo on Aug 14, 2022 0:00:22 GMT -5
Well it was only a matter of time before they started selling Mk2 bots but the thing that REALLY irks me is having to play against expert and champion players when im only Diamond II. WHY OH WHY do they let this happen? Are they a bunch of failed devs that they cant sort out who to put with who in Queues?
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Post by Wolfblood7 on Aug 14, 2022 10:15:08 GMT -5
So, my thoughts have changed. I was watching >^\}VULTURE{/^<'s stream this morning - he came across a duo, one in Silver 1, the other in Gold 1. The Gold guy had a silver league hangar, except he had bought the Eldritch Khepri and 4 Kramolas deal, all at MK2. That offer dropped yesterday, which means that in one day he has gone up one league. Something seems very wrong to me there. Once the Khepri or Kramola becomes useless, he will sink back down to Silver like a stone. He has to rely on that build every game to get him anywhere, and if it goes down early, that's pretty much him for the rest of the game. Maybe it's not so good after all.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Aug 14, 2022 14:52:28 GMT -5
*shrug*
I don't give a good 「fluffernutter」 in all honesty
I've got 2 hangars of MK3 crap and seriously, don't care.
If it helps out someone that needs it, all the power to 'em.
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Post by shawngonakillyou on Aug 14, 2022 15:17:21 GMT -5
*shrug* I don't give a good ãfluffernutterã in all honesty I've got 2 hangars of MK3 crap and seriously, don't care. If it helps out someone that needs it, all the power to 'em. I think the people whoâll be most pissy about it will be the top clans who have more and more people who can be a pain in their 「bum-bum」. Itâs a good step toward parity. I agree Thunderkiss that I donât care and if it helps parity and chipping away at top clansâ¦
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Post by munkeeee on Aug 14, 2022 15:52:29 GMT -5
*shrug* I don't give a good ãfluffernutterã in all honesty I've got 2 hangars of MK3 crap and seriously, don't care. If it helps out someone that needs it, all the power to 'em. I think the people whoâll be most pissy about it will be the top clans who have more and more people who can be a pain in their 「bum-bum」. Itâs a good step toward parity. I agree Thunderkiss that I donât care and if it helps parity and chipping away at top clans⦠If the pilot name and/or clan doesn't give away what they are packing, a minute or two in you'll find out. My own gameplay has basically become a schizophrenia Dr jekyll/Mr Hyde. Ill play, cap bacon, kill stuff. But I get pushed into that zone, I am going to be the most annoying SOB in a tank spider, with another waiting to drop, AND another, AND another..... I've really taken a liking to the distraction and attention being a thorn in reds side, it gets so my team can HOPEFULLY realize hey, they are all attacking one bot, maybe we should take advantage of this and grab caps. THATS why I did what I did damnit. Game faces.
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Post by Somebody’s Mom on Aug 14, 2022 16:58:02 GMT -5
Great….. now we’re gonna have players w 200, 300, 400 wins in Masters?? People that don’t know how to play or be a good rando?
I’m M1/Low Champ, w MK1 lv 9-12 gear, point of pride never MK2ed anything…. (Pix keeps this up, I might have to),, Routinely, Whether I win or get beat, the leader board shows me the story. You had my same score (within reason)and you have MK2 or 3 gear, I’m not gonna say you suck, but how many wins do you have? You shoulda CREAMED me, but not so….
For the record, I’m sure plenty of players have said I suck when they’re posting 8+ Mil, because I’m just giving you my good game 3-5 Mil, sorry. But then again, some just say I suck…
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Post by shawngonakillyou on Aug 14, 2022 19:13:21 GMT -5
Great….. now we’re gonna have players w 200, 300, 400 wins in Masters?? People that don’t know how to play or be a good rando? I’m M1/Low Champ, w MK1 lv 9-12 gear, point of pride never MK2ed anything…. (Pix keeps this up, I might have to),, Routinely, Whether I win or get beat, the leader board shows me the story. You had my same score (within reason)and you have MK2 or 3 gear, I’m not gonna say you suck, but how many wins do you have? You shoulda CREAMED me, but not so…. For the record, I’m sure plenty of players have said I suck when they’re posting 8+ Mil, because I’m just giving you my good game 3-5 Mil, sorry. But then again, some just say I suck… Like >^\}VULTURE{/^<, if you’re posting those values with that level gear, you are crushing it. Everyone has crap games from time to time, but that is really good numbers.
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Post by Somebody’s Mom on Aug 15, 2022 2:31:20 GMT -5
Great….. now we’re gonna have players w 200, 300, 400 wins in Masters?? People that don’t know how to play or be a good rando? I’m M1/Low Champ, w MK1 lv 9-12 gear, point of pride never MK2ed anything…. (Pix keeps this up, I might have to),, Routinely, Whether I win or get beat, the leader board shows me the story. You had my same score (within reason)and you have MK2 or 3 gear, I’m not gonna say you suck, but how many wins do you have? You shoulda CREAMED me, but not so…. For the record, I’m sure plenty of players have said I suck when they’re posting 8+ Mil, because I’m just giving you my good game 3-5 Mil, sorry. But then again, some just say I suck… Like >^\}VULTURE{/^< , if you’re posting those values with that level gear, you are crushing it. Everyone has crap games from time to time, but that is really good numbers. Oh no, don’t get me wrong, not even trying to fib or stretch my #s, right now my avg is 1.6 - 1.4 - 1.8 Mil, get rolled once (1.1 Mil) if I get a good balanced game, 2.5 - 4 Mil… believe it or not, you can rack kills all you want on lower competition, but you can’t extract 8-12 Mil, there’s not enough collective HP… But, if I happen to be w an all MK3 crew I can grab 5+, and still be the #6 garbage guy
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Post by TerrorStorm on Aug 15, 2022 4:53:29 GMT -5
*shrug* I don't give a good 「fluffernutter」 in all honesty I've got 2 hangars of MK3 crap and seriously, don't care. If it helps out someone that needs it, all the power to 'em. My thoughts exactly. Who cares. Whether you buy silver to upgrade the bot to MK2 or just buy the MK2... same difference. Enjoy. Does it further degrade the game... sure. PIX has chosen this path to run down so if they want to jump on a freight train... Enjoy.
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Post by Endobot on Aug 15, 2022 5:12:32 GMT -5
I think with this, they`ve just taken a bit more fun out of the game - again. A large part of the enjoyment of the game was getting and upgrading stuff, now it`ll just feel like - why bother, just wait till it comes up cheap at MK2 in offers.
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Post by Eradicator1 on Aug 15, 2022 5:30:17 GMT -5
I am ok with it. It is cheaper in both time and resources to just buy them. Plus you get premium weapons with them too. So it probably saves you cash, if you are a spender, to outfit it.
Here’s a thought too. Maybe it is a way to “balance” more of the player base. Both in terms of power and play style. As in, you get the mk2 power immediately without waiting to upgrade which could take a month or better. And also in how a particular bot plays with certain weapons. There is an abundance of sonic kephri. So they offer the Kramola one in the offers. It gives them a way to tweak how battles are fought.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 7:38:15 GMT -5
I admit I bought the warrior typhon that I've been itching for. Maybe Pixonic saw my post few days ago that I'd buy the mk2 offer since I can't win it from superchest. For the price $6.99 it was much mower than what I would have spent in silver/gold levelling it to mk2 so totally worth it for me, and I'm planning a special build for it. I know it's not quite meta anymore, and if it doesn't work out it wouldn't have cost me too much.
Any newbie from day 1 could start buying the chests tokens and keys, offers, and start off in low level league crushing the cossacks. The mk2 offers just shows them a quicker way, and it might be good for some. They'll still be able to have loads of fun with bots and weapons way higher level than their league average, even if the stuff gets nerfed hard soon after. For those of us experienced enough, we know most of the mk2 offers are not going to work out for us.
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Post by thediss on Aug 15, 2022 8:09:51 GMT -5
I guess it gives freedom for players - nobody is forced to buy, and if you have the cash and the desire, then everyone should fill their boots.
Personally, I dont advise spending. I am guessing the matchmaker hits everyone roughly the same. For me, a load of games getting stomped, a few where I do the stomping, and even rarer - a well balanced back and forth fight to the last second. So my view is that it doesn’t really matter if you spend or not, you will settle into this same pattern.
I suppose spend if you are really set on a particular bot or weapon that is proving too elusive,,but I dont think it is worth spending on any packs, speeding up upgrades etc. Enjoy the slow play!
Pix make enough money from the whales, and that is who they are targeting with each update and release of stupid new meta shizzle. Might part with some cashola one day if Pix do some quality of life improvements, fix matchmaking, release some new maps etc and stop their rubbish release cycle of OP stuff, nerf, rinse and repeat. Big bonus points if we could sell drone chips!!!!
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Post by TerrorStorm on Aug 16, 2022 0:12:02 GMT -5
So this train stops when you can buy a fully maxed MK3 Khepri, loaded with the latest MK3 Weapons, Pilot etc. for $800?? Pick your latest release META death bot. Why not?? If they can find some idiots dumb enough to do it all power to them.
PIX is testing the waters here and based on seeing this more and more (MK2 Cryptic Fenrir w/ MK2 Bane and Venorm for $14.99??)
I don't think this would have any impact whatsoever to the game. Hopefully some dude in Bronze League is having fun with this guy.
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Post by Thunderkiss on Aug 16, 2022 13:10:50 GMT -5
I think with this, they`ve just taken a bit more fun out of the game - again. A large part of the enjoyment of the game was getting and upgrading stuff, now it`ll just feel like - why bother, just wait till it comes up cheap at MK2 in offers. Except that the endless grind to acquire said resources has steadily been eroded until they found just the right formula to get people spending. Because if you think that anyone with a fully upgraded hangar did
it all on their own without buying a single thing, well, I have this bridge, doesn't even matter where
The real point is that you can't buy skill. So sure, let the morons who don't know what a beacon is if it fell on their head buy whatever the 「fluffernutter」 they want, they'll be able to beat up on people in their own league
(maybe) and that's it. 1 day they'll be champ fodder, the next they'll be back in masters or lower because they don't know what they're doing.
Like all the ding dongs that think prisma or trebs are good.
No.
I look at it like taking all the warning labels off everything.
The problem will sort itself out all on its own, with a dash of "a fool and his money".
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