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Post by Koko Bop on Jul 10, 2022 20:50:39 GMT -5
Hey, y’all. Been taking in the news about the new radiation weapons, and it got me thinking. The previous three iterations (Hammer-class, Punisher, Smuta-class).haven’t just been overpowered: L1 Hammer’s DPR is twice that of L1 Smuta - and nearly that of an Mk2 Punisher. Hammer-class weapons outstrip L10s from earlier generations at L1. I replaced all my bumped-up Punishers & Thunders, Atomizers & Scourges, Scorchers, Quarkers, & Shatters, replaced them all w/ unleveled Cudgels, Maces, & Hammers…and all my numbers went up. More damage, bigger payout, clan-status boost, #wins, ‘earnings’, etc. Yeah, I’ve been working on my hangar for a while, it’s been getting better, I’ve been getting better - but this was like someone kicked in the nitro fuel. Single biggest impact of any single change I can recall. And now, the next round is being dangled in front of us: Let me point to the bit on the bottom left, where it says that each successive round in the 3-round burst can be as much as THREE TIMES the previous round. Wait, WHAT? I’m probably wrong on this, but that seems to imply that @ L1, Decay could conceivably do ~24000 dmg per burst. At 600 meters. W/ a 3-sec reload. And this cockamamie “game” you get to waste substance on if you hope to land one o’ the toxic beasties (can zombie & mutant factions be far behind?)…my guess is they intend to force as much spending on this ‘event’ as they’ve lost in the last four months…for those who want to be able to stay in the game. Talk me down, y’all!
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Post by shawngonakillyou on Jul 10, 2022 21:14:06 GMT -5
I think the funniest part about your thread is I agree with it at the same time I agree with my thread stating Pix seems to have level out a bit on releasing stupid OP gear. Clearly it outclasses the tier 3, 2, and 1 weapons, but, many of the tier 4 weapons are all clos enough that there is some choice available in the upper league play. Not relegated to everyone playing the same weapons. The last two times it was really bad in that regard is the first release of the freeze lasers (Skadi, Hel) and the first release of the bendies. When they were first release, they were so OP, they ended up everywhere.
but I digress, your thread topic is fully valid as well, and you have some excellent points above…
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Post by Koko Bop on Jul 10, 2022 21:36:11 GMT -5
The froodles introduction was the last time *I* changed over at large (was *NOT* that long ago), but they were good enough to chase upgrades for…these, they’re practically PRE-updated.
I ran 2x punishers on Ao Jun (2.4/1.10) until I got ‘extra’ hammers swapped one in - and Ao Jun’s performance improved; swapped another in, Ao Jun’s ruling the roost once again.
The irony is, I’d agreed with your point about balance…until I really took a look at this.
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Jul 10, 2022 22:00:55 GMT -5
Are the Hammer-class really that good out-of-the-box? I guess I can roll my Freedom Dingleberry to troll the Reds
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jul 10, 2022 23:03:38 GMT -5
Hey, y’all. Been taking in the news about the new radiation weapons, and it got me thinking. The previous three iterations (Hammer-class, Punisher, Smuta-class).haven’t just been overpowered: L1 Hammer’s DPR is twice that of L1 Smuta - and nearly that of an Mk2 Punisher. Hammer-class weapons outstrip L10s from earlier generations at L1. I replaced all my bumped-up Punishers & Thunders, Atomizers & Scourges, Scorchers, Quarkers, & Shatters, replaced them all w/ unleveled Cudgels, Maces, & Hammers…and all my numbers went up. More damage, bigger payout, clan-status boost, #wins, ‘earnings’, etc. Yeah, I’ve been working on my hangar for a while, it’s been getting better, I’ve been getting better - but this was like someone kicked in the nitro fuel. Single biggest impact of any single change I can recall. And now, the next round is being dangled in front of us: Let me point to the bit on the bottom left, where it says that each successive round in the 3-round burst can be as much as THREE TIMES the previous round. Wait, WHAT? I’m probably wrong on this, but that seems to imply that @ L1, Decay could conceivably do ~24000 dmg per burst. At 600 meters. W/ a 3-sec reload. And this cockamamie “game” you get to waste substance on if you hope to land one o’ the toxic beasties (can zombie & mutant factions be far behind?)…my guess is they intend to force as much spending on this ‘event’ as they’ve lost in the last four months…for those who want to be able to stay in the game. Talk me down, y’all! Well I already had my full health AoMing with Aegis Shield still intact pwnt in 1 Salvo of these at MK3. They used a Siren with the broken Yang Lee Legendary Pilot...so yes I agree. It was like when they introduced Prism saying it would be a different Flux... at the same levels it still out performs Flux even at its past its "weak point" ie. its stated damage is supposed to decrease under 1/2 range and increase after 1/2 to full range. It still outputs more damage at half the level of Flux not just level for level. The same goes for the new status weapons, they outperform BOTH standard and previous versions of status weapons combined. Instead of Standard version does: X, Status version does: Y but sacrifices: X, Combined version does: Z but sacrifices: X/Y. But eh, Pixonic does Russian math...what else did you expect?
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Post by shawngonakillyou on Jul 10, 2022 23:15:48 GMT -5
The froodles introduction was the last time *I* changed over at large (was *NOT* that long ago), but they were good enough to chase upgrades for…these, they’re practically PRE-updated. I ran 2x punishers on Ao Jun (2.4/1.10) until I got ‘extra’ hammers swapped one in - and Ao Jun’s performance improved; swapped another in, Ao Jun’s ruling the roost once again. The irony is, I’d agreed with your point about balance…until I really took a look at this. Yeah…I am still excepting the new weapons from my analysis because I just don’t know enough about them yet. From some of the YT posts I’ve seen they don’t look to brawl at an elite level. If that holds true, these will be relegated to more of a camper bot weapon. We saw the original bendy scourge show that campers can still be a total PITA, but they had the benefit of magic. These at least require line of sight. So….if they don’t brawl well enough to grab/defend beacons (still TBD) and they’re relegated to campers who need line of sight, they may be another odd form of balanced. Damage may be dumb, but if they have less limited utility, maybe OK. But, many not. Maybe these end Pix’s relatively long streak of getting some balance in the game…
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Post by Koko Bop on Jul 10, 2022 23:47:07 GMT -5
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jul 11, 2022 0:22:43 GMT -5
Are the Hammer-class really that good out-of-the-box? I guess I can roll my Freedom Dingleberry to troll the Reds Though I wish someone would make a Hammer / Thunder / Incinerator / Avalanche comparison video testing lvl1 & max lvl, with and without Noll & Peregrine. Some forget when using standalone weapons stats don't show the whole picture. You will begin to see how broken some of these numbers get...
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Post by shadethefluffmech on Jul 11, 2022 2:58:34 GMT -5
I predict And hope That next remake will be tracking missiles of some kind
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Post by ismsean on Jul 11, 2022 6:36:57 GMT -5
If I get them. Putting them on my Siren or Harpy w/ Legendary Pilot since they do that damage multiplier thing.
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Post by fiat on Jul 11, 2022 7:19:35 GMT -5
Ran into a champion whale on Shenzhen night with 4 Hazards MK3’d and mounted to a Raider skinned Typhon. We were duking it out on beacon B behind the wavy roof building and he proceeded to Hiroshima my 2.7 Composite Hades ricky tick quick even with my purple panty liner. I was glowing in 7 seconds. I’d say that qualifies as a brawler.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jul 11, 2022 9:23:25 GMT -5
I predict And hope That next remake will be tracking missiles of some kind Agreed. However, it won't happen even though it is LOOONG overdue. Pix hates standoff troll weapons. Chimeras should be a blast but there's been nothing like them for years. Zenits (aka artillery) are valid on the modern battlefield and yet Pix ignores them. The closest Pix has come to addressing the issue is the Titan bomber-thingy weapons that very few people use.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jul 11, 2022 9:27:56 GMT -5
Decay? Adrian put them on his behemoth and proceeded to lay waste in a clan match. Yeah he had them on around day two.
Y'all know I rarely if ever speak ill of Adrian but I'm willing to make an exception. He can only be an extreme wallet warrior in this case. Assuming he got no leg-up from Pix, he paid what for those decays? $600? $1000?
Whatevs.
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Post by Koko Bop on Jul 11, 2022 15:22:21 GMT -5
If this turns into a trend, maybe Pix’ll flip a switch & make limited-edition weapons +10 damage.
Brawling has been intense lately; my style has typically been ‘400m and closing’, but I’m in the middle of a lot of beacon fights these days, Fen taking on 3-5 reds & dropping 2-3; that’s a lot of traffic to tie up.
What I need to do is rig matched Orochi, one w/ Hammers @ 4, the other w/Punchers @ 8 (fastest/cheapest match to reach)…then learn to drive Orochi. Test ‘em out, that’ll be fun!
Lucky me, I have cruel & shark-roach, and pilots, and I can match drones.
Sounds like I need to start another thread for that*
After some digging, I determined that where punisher unloads 40 rounds in 3 sec. Hammer throws only 16. Pairing the two seems like a smart decision, so I’ll go back to that on the Ao Jun. Not only the sheer number of projectiles, but w/115+% lockdown accumulation, Hammer will have a captive audience. I’ll also convert Fenrir to Mace/Punisher on the same theory.
My concern Re: new weapons remains
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Post by Jeb on Jul 12, 2022 15:36:48 GMT -5
NOTHING I have has been working well lately. I'm pretty sure that the game's decided to pound me back down into Masters.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jul 12, 2022 16:53:19 GMT -5
NOTHING I have has been working well lately. I'm pretty sure that the game's decided to pound me back down into Masters. Erm....the game is working as intended. Welcome to the club buddy!
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Post by freerιde on Jul 14, 2022 10:16:08 GMT -5
Decay? Adrian put them on his behemoth and proceeded to lay waste in a clan match. Yeah he had them on around day two. Y'all know I rarely if ever speak ill of Adrian but I'm willing to make an exception. He can only be an extreme wallet warrior in this case. Assuming he got no leg-up from Pix, he paid what for those decays? $600? $1000? Whatevs. I don’t think you can compare the YouTubers to regular players. They may get free resources or just figure it’s business expense.
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Post by munkeeee on Jul 14, 2022 10:22:50 GMT -5
Decay? Adrian put them on his behemoth and proceeded to lay waste in a clan match. Yeah he had them on around day two. Y'all know I rarely if ever speak ill of Adrian but I'm willing to make an exception. He can only be an extreme wallet warrior in this case. Assuming he got no leg-up from Pix, he paid what for those decays? $600? $1000? Whatevs. I don’t think you can compare the YouTubers to regular players. They may get free resources or just figure it’s business expense. I was thinking this the last few days myself. YT folk are an ok source, but unreliable. I’ll take the traffic for ideas from our Friday nite drop in games over YT showing maxed gear running afoul.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jul 14, 2022 11:23:11 GMT -5
I don’t think you can compare the YouTubers to regular players. They may get free resources or just figure it’s business expense. I was thinking this the last few days myself. YT folk are an ok source, but unreliable. I’ll take the traffic for ideas from our Friday nite drop in games over YT showing maxed gear running afoul. I firmly disagree that YT folk are unreliable. They give a lot of useful and reliable information. As far as content levels, a maxed hangar with all the optimized formulas will showcase its performance against other maxed optimized equipment and those less optimized. If “regular players” want to see how their less optimized equipment will perform in Expert-Champ, they should watch videos of Adrian’s ‘baby account’ which is an Android f2p account, or find other YT folk who also showcase lower level equipment on a non-BR account. As we know, the unfortunate reality of the league point system and the mm is that players are quickly pushed into brackets their equipment is often inadequate to perform well in. However, if they watch videos like I mentioned, showcasing how low level equipment performs against optimized opponents, and pay particular attention to the combat tactics, that is valuable intel, but its essence is this : It is easy to understand that mathematically speaking, with optimized equipment you can be far more aggressive with less repercussions than you can with lower gear, so you have to be less aggressive and more careful if your stuff is weaker. The great thing about showcasing optimized builds is it also gives players insights on things they can do to make their low level stuff perform better, so saying YT folk are unreliable is not just inaccurate, its kinda ungrateful.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jul 14, 2022 11:48:59 GMT -5
I was thinking this the last few days myself. YT folk are an ok source, but unreliable. I’ll take the traffic for ideas from our Friday nite drop in games over YT showing maxed gear running afoul. I firmly disagree that YT folk are unreliable. They give a lot of useful and reliable information. As far as content levels, a maxed hangar with all the optimized formulas will showcase its performance against other maxed optimized equipment and those less optimized. If “regular players” want to see how their less optimized equipment will perform in Expert-Champ, they should watch videos of Adrian’s ‘baby account’ which is an Android f2p account, or find other YT folk who also showcase lower level equipment on a non-BR account. As we know, the unfortunate reality of the league point system and the mm is that players are quickly pushed into brackets their equipment is often inadequate to perform well in. However, if they watch videos like I mentioned, showcasing how low level equipment performs against optimized opponents, and pay particular attention to the combat tactics, that is valuable intel, but its essence is this : It is easy to understand that mathematically speaking, with optimized equipment you can be far more aggressive with less repercussions than you can with lower gear, so you have to be less aggressive and more careful if your stuff is weaker. The great thing about showcasing optimized builds is it also gives players insights on things they can do to make their low level stuff perform better, so saying YT folk are unreliable is not just inaccurate, its kinda ungrateful. There is one enthusiastic top-tier YTer that I have to take with a grain of salt. He personally tricked me into levelling 4 of those Ballista sniper weapons. Thanks. I hope he got a commission. But! Full disclosure, I was more butt-hurt by Adrian and his deep-pockets crushing me and not all that surprised that he had new toys so early. However! I find Adrian to be pretty darn reliable for good advice and multiple times I've seen him being less than enthusiastic (even uncomplimentary) about the latest weapons. Quite often Adrian will let out ALL of his secrets you just have to be willing to pause the video to see and decipher what chips are on his drones.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jul 14, 2022 11:59:14 GMT -5
I firmly disagree that YT folk are unreliable. They give a lot of useful and reliable information. As far as content levels, a maxed hangar with all the optimized formulas will showcase its performance against other maxed optimized equipment and those less optimized. If “regular players” want to see how their less optimized equipment will perform in Expert-Champ, they should watch videos of Adrian’s ‘baby account’ which is an Android f2p account, or find other YT folk who also showcase lower level equipment on a non-BR account. As we know, the unfortunate reality of the league point system and the mm is that players are quickly pushed into brackets their equipment is often inadequate to perform well in. However, if they watch videos like I mentioned, showcasing how low level equipment performs against optimized opponents, and pay particular attention to the combat tactics, that is valuable intel, but its essence is this : It is easy to understand that mathematically speaking, with optimized equipment you can be far more aggressive with less repercussions than you can with lower gear, so you have to be less aggressive and more careful if your stuff is weaker. The great thing about showcasing optimized builds is it also gives players insights on things they can do to make their low level stuff perform better, so saying YT folk are unreliable is not just inaccurate, its kinda ungrateful. There is one enthusiastic top-tier YTer that I have to take with a grain of salt. He personally tricked me into levelling 4 of those Ballista sniper weapons. Thanks. I hope he got a commission. But! Full disclosure, I was more butt-hurt by Adrian and his deep-pockets crushing me and not all that surprised that he had new toys so early. However! I find Adrian to be pretty darn reliable for good advice and multiple times I've seen him being less than enthusiastic (even uncomplimentary) about the latest weapons. Quite often Adrian will let out ALL of his secrets you just have to be willing to pause the video to see and decipher what chips are on his drones. Yeah, certainly A spends some $ for his own account, but sometimes it is possible that players who help the community in various ways also receive items in their personal account as a thank you.
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Post by munkeeee on Jul 14, 2022 13:23:08 GMT -5
I was thinking this the last few days myself. YT folk are an ok source, but unreliable. I’ll take the traffic for ideas from our Friday nite drop in games over YT showing maxed gear running afoul. I firmly disagree that YT folk are unreliable. They give a lot of useful and reliable information. As far as content levels, a maxed hangar with all the optimized formulas will showcase its performance against other maxed optimized equipment and those less optimized. If “regular players” want to see how their less optimized equipment will perform in Expert-Champ, they should watch videos of Adrian’s ‘baby account’ which is an Android f2p account, or find other YT folk who also showcase lower level equipment on a non-BR account. As we know, the unfortunate reality of the league point system and the mm is that players are quickly pushed into brackets their equipment is often inadequate to perform well in. However, if they watch videos like I mentioned, showcasing how low level equipment performs against optimized opponents, and pay particular attention to the combat tactics, that is valuable intel, but its essence is this : It is easy to understand that mathematically speaking, with optimized equipment you can be far more aggressive with less repercussions than you can with lower gear, so you have to be less aggressive and more careful if your stuff is weaker. The great thing about showcasing optimized builds is it also gives players insights on things they can do to make their low level stuff perform better, so saying YT folk are unreliable is not just inaccurate, its kinda ungrateful. Unreliable was the wrong word choice to use. The tubers input and game play is considered, but not used. I can only speak for myself. But I missed the chance to explain better my thought. Basically meant the vids are good info hubs for sure. HOW you decipher the info to your benefit is the true key. Case in point, me. I run all spider type bots. So I limit myself automatically by personal selection. Either by abilities, weapon arrangements, mods, etc. However it’s also a good way to learn your enemy and weapon choices and see their pros and cons. I guess my reasoning at the time to use unreliable as a description was to say it’s great getting intel on items used, maxed or otherwise, but one match that went their way and performance was vid worthy has the tendency to provide false hope. Button mashers, noobs, whales, grinders, etc,,, I get it, it’s a source of info, nothing more. How we assimilate that intel is on us.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jul 14, 2022 13:34:30 GMT -5
Decay? Adrian put them on his behemoth and proceeded to lay waste in a clan match. Yeah he had them on around day two. Y'all know I rarely if ever speak ill of Adrian but I'm willing to make an exception. He can only be an extreme wallet warrior in this case. Assuming he got no leg-up from Pix, he paid what for those decays? $600? $1000? Whatevs. You know those are comped by Pixonic right? He gets even more resources because he is in the top5, even the lower ones get free stuff. His "baby" acct. don't have all the bells & whistles but it build stronk!
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jul 14, 2022 13:42:01 GMT -5
I firmly disagree that YT folk are unreliable. They give a lot of useful and reliable information. As far as content levels, a maxed hangar with all the optimized formulas will showcase its performance against other maxed optimized equipment and those less optimized. If “regular players” want to see how their less optimized equipment will perform in Expert-Champ, they should watch videos of Adrian’s ‘baby account’ which is an Android f2p account, or find other YT folk who also showcase lower level equipment on a non-BR account. As we know, the unfortunate reality of the league point system and the mm is that players are quickly pushed into brackets their equipment is often inadequate to perform well in. However, if they watch videos like I mentioned, showcasing how low level equipment performs against optimized opponents, and pay particular attention to the combat tactics, that is valuable intel, but its essence is this : It is easy to understand that mathematically speaking, with optimized equipment you can be far more aggressive with less repercussions than you can with lower gear, so you have to be less aggressive and more careful if your stuff is weaker. The great thing about showcasing optimized builds is it also gives players insights on things they can do to make their low level stuff perform better, so saying YT folk are unreliable is not just inaccurate, its kinda ungrateful. There is one enthusiastic top-tier YTer that I have to take with a grain of salt. He personally tricked me into levelling 4 of those Ballista sniper weapons. Thanks. I hope he got a commission. But! Full disclosure, I was more butt-hurt by Adrian and his deep-pockets crushing me and not all that surprised that he had new toys so early. However! I find Adrian to be pretty darn reliable for good advice and multiple times I've seen him being less than enthusiastic (even uncomplimentary) about the latest weapons. Quite often Adrian will let out ALL of his secrets you just have to be willing to pause the video to see and decipher what chips are on his drones. Oh Cmon Oliver....You know dang well Mr. sitty, camppy, have tons of patience to drop a finish shot is not you (because 4 Ballista do hurt). You are more the *I'm all up in here* "ye , what you gonna do bro" style. Hell, even Ogre took a campy style bot & built a tank with it because playing hidey in a hole is not his style (one of the first to make durable Harpy).
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jul 14, 2022 14:03:08 GMT -5
Thanks, but, Ballistas like Chimeras are a no-no. With Today's inflation in health and damage, Ballistas would need a major buff to keep pace. I would love it if they would work but they are (I think) the only leveled weapons I've ever traded back in for Ag. I still have my Chimeras and I still have my Molot-Ts!
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jul 21, 2022 18:55:51 GMT -5
Ok, so I got a couple Hazard to 2.9 so far, threw them on Fafnir with a couple 3.1 Pulsars. As you’d expect, Khepri is ever the tough customer, but otherwise here’s what I have to say about two Hazard on Faf living legend, living legend, living legend lmao
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jul 21, 2022 19:25:36 GMT -5
Ok, so I got a couple Hazard to 2.9 so far, threw them on Fafnir with a couple 3.1 Pulsars. As you’d expect, Khepri is ever the tough customer, but otherwise here’s what I have to say about two Hazard on Faf living legend, living legend, living legend lmao It may not be the in-close fighter it used to be but flying bots shooting angles are ALWAYS an advantage on the battlefield. Combine that with the consecutive hit multiplier... probably pretty nasty.
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