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Post by milty72 on Jan 29, 2022 6:24:07 GMT -5
I don't know exactly....there are many fun bots, but only one gave me a lot of adrenaline and needing careful piloting. The Hover. It has no offensive or defensive buffs, and vulnerable as hell when in the air. But when i go in flight mode, going behind the reds, snatching beacons, ambushing (or steal kills if you may), and most fun of all, making reds chasing me in circles. The last harassment is especially fun (and downright irritating to the reds) on the Yamantau map home beacons (Hover fans will know where I meant lol). But magic bots like Revenant, Scorpion... and magic weapons from Erebus, Typhon... killed the fun. Or The Strider. I like to call it the ground version of Hover. Equally annoying as hell lol. Strider and Hover made Yama the great map that it was.
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Post by darr on Jan 29, 2022 20:50:53 GMT -5
i would go back right before the influx of the dash bots. Where the Galahad was one of the best bots around and the ork ruled!! Galahad brought me into Masters, and it wasn’t too long ago either, Titan was in already. A few weeks ago I brought it into play for old times sake. It died in 3 seconds. Not sure killed by the whirlwind or the firestorm. Galahad 1.9 healthbar was a tank, now is just instakill. The physical shield serves no purpose anymore. The end.
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Post by dinnerplain on Jan 30, 2022 5:33:24 GMT -5
What I'm imagining though is starting at the being as a complete newbie with zero experience of the game. Not knowing the bot mechanics the weapon ranges and affects. Trying to learn game play and tactics with all that s*it going on. 「fluffernutter」 it would be hard. When I started there wasn't even britbots. Weapons were only 1100, 800, 500, 350, 300mtrs. And they only hit, zapped or blew up. This. The game is now really complex and perhaps too complex to get a new person in and keep them there. With the addition of the Harpy and Siren, it is becoming really visually overwhelming. If Pixonic want to keep going down that path, fine, but I think there are a lot of people that would like to see a simpler game. Then there's new comers and I can't imagine how they cope with what's going on once they get to leagues.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Jan 30, 2022 6:11:01 GMT -5
The real reason anyone would want "classic" or "legacy" is very rational. Pixonic has went from science and logic to hocus pocus illogical weapons & bots. If they made a bot big, they gave it more armor & health, let it carry heavier weapon loads. If it was smaller they lowered the health pool & weapons load. If it had a skill it sacrificed something for it. The moment they crossed this line from logic to illogical was when AuJun got a fly drive *meaning it had to be light enough for flight*, yet it could carry it's fly thrusters, 2 heavy weapons, and 3 built in flame throwers. Mind you when this came out it flew for a long period of time, it has since been nerfed into oblivion. One of the newest magic turds they are pawning off on it's gaming community is the Luchador, it's a big ole fatty that can do everything good that other bots gave something up to do yet it sacrifices nothing. when was the last time you saw a 747 do everything a fighter could do & a few things a tank could do? Even Air Force One would be hard pressed to do what Luchador does in reality because Pixonic decided to turn this from a logic based game into a magic game.
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Post by dinnerplain on Jan 31, 2022 2:55:36 GMT -5
The real reason anyone would want "classic" or "legacy" is very rational. Pixonic has went from science and logic to hocus pocus illogical weapons & bots. Magic bots is potentially another way to be "War Robots: Legacy" vs "War Robots: Remastered". Teleport? Magic. Modules? Magic. Pilots? Magic. Mothership? Magic. Flying? Magic. Bullets? Yes. Exploding things? Yes. Missles and rockets? Yes. Laser and energy weapons? Yes (got to have something futuristic!) While others felt that it was the Kumiho (dash) bots that created hell, I found them more of a challenge. At least it was a time when objects on the map - ie barriers - meant something. I remember being excited when I finally got a Bulgasari and sometimes take it out for a run because its physical shield can still come in handy. Well maybe harpy/siren will change that but I digress. The purple shields were also a problem until shield breaker but shield breaker requires modules. As much as I like playing bulwhark, I'd be happy to forgo that and return to the days without it. A "War Robots: Legacy" that gave us a different view of our existing hangers would encourage a lot of better game play and I think would address some of the new player problems. Max it out at 1.10, only allow in the older robots and weapons, see what that does to the leagues. A version of the game that doesn't require magic things to fly through the air to immobilize should also be a simpler very of the game with less bugs and also less lag, allowing more people to get higher frame rates on their devices. Maybe they should launch a test server version like this and see what sort of feedback they get?
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Post by CrownBlack on Jan 31, 2022 7:41:00 GMT -5
What I'm imagining though is starting at the being as a complete newbie with zero experience of the game. Not knowing the bot mechanics the weapon ranges and affects. Trying to learn game play and tactics with all that s*it going on. 「fluffernutter」 it would be hard. When I started there wasn't even britbots. Weapons were only 1100, 800, 500, 350, 300mtrs. And they only hit, zapped or blew up. This. The game is now really complex and perhaps too complex to get a new person in and keep them there. With the addition of the Harpy and Siren, it is becoming really visually overwhelming. If Pixonic want to keep going down that path, fine, but I think there are a lot of people that would like to see a simpler game. Then there's new comers and I can't imagine how they cope with what's going on once they get to leagues. i took a year off and came back to drones and motherships. It took me a month or so to figure it out.
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Post by 079 on Jan 31, 2022 22:08:28 GMT -5
Teleport? Magic. Modules? Magic. Pilots? Magic. Mothership? Magic. Flying? Magic. Bullets? Yes. Exploding things? Yes. Missles and rockets? Yes. Laser and energy weapons? Yes (got to have something futuristic!) Darn, I did not know the US military was magical! With pilot-controled vehicles, flying robots that can cross oceans and come back, and the ability to easily create space-based weapon platforms, we are practically wizards! I get what you mean, but still. These features are money-intensive, but not magic.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on Feb 1, 2022 4:51:12 GMT -5
Teleport? Magic. Modules? Magic. Pilots? Magic. Mothership? Magic. Flying? Magic. Bullets? Yes. Exploding things? Yes. Missles and rockets? Yes. Laser and energy weapons? Yes (got to have something futuristic!) Darn, I did not know the US military was magical! With pilot-controled vehicles, flying robots that can cross oceans and come back, and the ability to easily create space-based weapon platforms, we are practically wizards! I get what you mean, but still. These features are money-intensive, but not magic. I think he meant some pilot skills are magical, to which I agree. But mainly I have no objections to pilots or flying in general. Pilots make bots more custom & ups the randomness factor of your combat matchups. Now the infinite flying is most certainly magical, and I have been very vocal about nerfing that as other flying bots have had their flight times nerfed. Edit: Pilots have always been in the game BTW, you just weren't able to customize them. *That little upwards explosion when a bot dies is the Pilot ejecting, and has been around for forever*.
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Post by dinnerplain on Feb 1, 2022 4:59:22 GMT -5
Darn, I did not know the US military was magical! With pilot-controled vehicles, flying robots that can cross oceans and come back, and the ability to easily create space-based weapon platforms, we are practically wizards! I get what you mean, but still. These features are money-intensive, but not magic. If only money could buy a teleporter. Creating a version of War Robots with fewer features isn't going to cost a lot in terms of developer effort - it just has to not load certain robots and weapons when it starts up. Might be some issues with needing a new/different pool of game servers but otherwise, how difficult would it be? The hardest part might be having two apps or games that have access to the same data pool. Going full 6PK might be a bit extreme, but it sounds like if the meta was just dropped off somewhere in the 2017-2018 time frame, lots of people would be happy to forget about the Remastered game.
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Post by Adazahi on May 19, 2022 17:58:39 GMT -5
War robots has always had some level of flaw. I'd like to go back to pre-dash, but still add some new content, as well as buffing certain things that were bad back then.
For example, one big setback back then was the lack of variety in the heavy slot. Your choices were between howitzers or thunder. I think medium slot could've used avenger back then, or even nerfed down versions of redeemer and exodus.
Another thing is that light bots were worthless. Making them blazingly fast and a little tougher could do a whole lot to make people reconsider the full ancilot hangar.
Raijin and fuijin should both be able to walk in ability, certian off meta picks should get some love (like the swap bots) etc.
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Post by dangit on May 19, 2022 20:33:17 GMT -5
This is what my iOS account looked like in May of 2017 when I parked it due to the changes that were upcoming in July. It still looks like that today. Took these screenshots a few minutes ago. I didn’t add the Modules. Pix did that along with the Titan. I miss that era. Boils down to pre-dash and pre-Tempest as it was released right before the Dash bots.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on May 19, 2022 21:40:15 GMT -5
Darn, I did not know the US military was magical! With pilot-controled vehicles, flying robots that can cross oceans and come back, and the ability to easily create space-based weapon platforms, we are practically wizards! I get what you mean, but still. These features are money-intensive, but not magic. I think he meant some pilot skills are magical, to which I agree. But mainly I have no objections to pilots or flying in general. Pilots make bots more custom & ups the randomness factor of your combat matchups. Now the infinite flying is most certainly magical, and I have been very vocal about nerfing that as other flying bots have had their flight times nerfed. Edit: Pilots have always been in the game BTW, you just weren't able to customize them. *That little upwards explosion when a bot dies is the Pilot ejecting, and has been around for forever*. From the game's release in April 2014 until pilot ejection was introduced in Jan 2015, you died in your Mech.
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on May 19, 2022 21:43:38 GMT -5
Ah, I remember that Crimmins. They made a big hooha about "not killing pilots" and added the animation.
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on May 19, 2022 22:04:55 GMT -5
Ah, I remember that Crimmins. They made a big hooha about "not killing pilots" and added the animation. Can't have that! LOL
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Post by pilotarxeon on May 20, 2022 3:45:31 GMT -5
As War Robots keeps marching on, there's a never ending addition of new features. As more gee-whiz things are added, it really starts to take away from the craft of playing the game (well, this happened quite a while ago now.) This got me thinking, at what point was I enjoying War Robots the most? I think for me it was just before Ao-Jun came along - its introduction skewed the game massively. And since it and other flying robots, it has been a continuous stream of "got to have the latest" that is tiring. If they came out with "War Robots: Legacy" and I could use my pilot in that game, minus any weapons/bots from Ao-Jun and onwards, I'd probably never play remastered again. That would mean no pilots, no drones, no titans, and no motherships. Of course none of the fancy new robots/weapons either. What about you? If you could turn back the clock on "War Robots" and play a version of it (with all the new maps), which one would you choose? Or is there some other set of "removed features" you'd prefer to see in a "Legacy" version of the game? its a little tough to choose, i once went on a biiiig spend spree on this game and got all special edition bots. but i mean atleast i should be able to grind for decent legacy bots, but what if you connect your account from non legacy to legacy using gamecenter for example if your on ios like me and your account is identical but without bots that came after ao jun released
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Post by pilotarxeon on May 20, 2022 3:48:54 GMT -5
Same. As much as I enjoyed KumiStorm, pre-dash was the peak of Walking War Robots. In hindsight, even dash bots werenât THAT bad. But I did love dancing around the sluggishly slow Lancelot with Geps and Gary. Tanks were strong but slow, knifefighters were fast but fragile, and the sheep ran scared. Good times. and i forgot about the Thunder Carnage...where you 「dookie」 your pants when one came charging at you. oooooo bring on the nostalgiiaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Post by pilotarxeon on May 20, 2022 3:51:45 GMT -5
I don't know exactly....there are many fun bots, but only one gave me a lot of adrenaline and needing careful piloting. The Hover. It has no offensive or defensive buffs, and vulnerable as hell when in the air. But when i go in flight mode, going behind the reds, snatching beacons, ambushing (or steal kills if you may), and most fun of all, making reds chasing me in circles. The last harassment is especially fun (and downright irritating to the reds) on the Yamantau map home beacons (Hover fans will know where I meant lol). But magic bots like Revenant, Scorpion... and magic weapons from Erebus, Typhon... killed the fun. Or The Strider. I like to call it the ground version of Hover. Equally annoying as hell lol. Strider and Hover made Yama the great map that it was. i used to grind hover components sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo hard and i got like halfway to a finished hover and i was super duper excited when workshop 2.0 came out... hold on... WHAT WAS THE OG WORKSHOP OH {DOOKIE} I CANT REMEMBER HELP AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Post by >^\}VULTURE{/^< on May 20, 2022 4:59:57 GMT -5
Heh, my Carnage, Leo, Fujin, and Griffin are lvl2.9. I just don't have any titans or new mods.
That was a pew pew hanger that took me to Champs on Droid before the platforms started to compete together. I say "compete together" because we now play matches on the same servers, but they still haven't given us the PLATFORM MERGER we were PROMISED years ago.
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Post by dinnerplain on May 20, 2022 21:46:49 GMT -5
Darn, I did not know the US military was magical! With pilot-controled vehicles, flying robots that can cross oceans and come back, and the ability to easily create space-based weapon platforms, we are practically wizards! I get what you mean, but still. These features are money-intensive, but not magic. I think he meant some pilot skills are magical, to which I agree. But mainly I have no objections to pilots or flying in general. Pilots make bots more custom & ups the randomness factor of your combat matchups. Now the infinite flying is most certainly magical, and I have been very vocal about nerfing that as other flying bots have had their flight times nerfed. Yes. While being able to repair your bot during the game is nice, it's just a bit out there. The game tries to give those that are losing advantage to try and create competition ("Adamant ..."). If you want to see ridiculously fast, try "Adamant Road Hog" on a Phantom with its ability activated and boost from Khepri. But to see how magical orbittal strikes are, look no further than the latest weapon that creates the gravity sphere thing.
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Post by locutis on May 21, 2022 13:09:05 GMT -5
I enjoy the complexity of the current game, but when I’m in the mood to play legacy I just make a new account or play test server. I also use to play 6pck but the politics, the lack of tactics by my teammates and their refusal to listen to reason, and especially how uncoordinated matches were with people not showing up really put me off, so I sold all my 6pck stuff. But, if they released a War Robots: Legacy that did not allow any content to be upgraded beyond 1.10, Legacy being anything pre-Dash, I would run the following: Aphid Jesse Orkan Rog Griffin Deathbutton Tarancilot Zeus Fury fixed it;)
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Post by raidenii on May 22, 2022 11:27:19 GMT -5
Sorry, I would not want to go back to the past in War Robots. As a matter of fact, I am really enjoying the game now with the constant changes. People are gonna hate me for saying this, I love using my Monarch OS. 😁
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Post by TerrorStorm on May 22, 2022 20:57:56 GMT -5
Great comments across the board and a good dose of nostalgia. Would sign up for a Legacy version in a second. Still have my Mummy Skin Leo with L10 Tempest/ Molot and my Tiger Shark Griffin with L10 Machine guns standing by.
When do we start?
I've considered a 2nd account to get back to these simpler days but reading some of the comments it sounds like the lower leagues are a mess.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 15:42:04 GMT -5
As much as I would like to take a ton of stuff out to around the age of the Ravana, I have to think: personally, it went from fights I won because I was smart with my gear to fights I lose regardless and only occasionally outsmart people. There has become too much of a power gap between me and my League. I remember the last day it was simple, the very moment I went from expert 3 to expert 2. This was moments before the Ravana age, and I was at first happy with it. I still use the Hover and Ares, but I also had an Ao jun and Falcon. Within a week of me getting to expert 2, I had rocketed up to masters, and by the end of the month, I was in champion league, fighting Ravanas with what they directly countered. It was fun baiting their abilities, and I would exactly know what I did wrong for each scenario I was killed. From that point on, I had a feeling that things were only going to get harder. I got sad at the game, and purposely lost 300 games almost in a row before I could return to lower leagues. But, because I had upgraded my gear, and was finally at the level I wanted to be at gear wise and opponent wise, I began to move up again. That was a long time ago. A lot has happened since then, and now I only win 34% of battles, regardless of my intelligence. My opponents do not have to think, while I am playing a game of chess with lines of sight, position, and all the while becoming the least attractive target, because I know that unwanted attention usually means death. I still use my Hover and Ares, along with a Scorpion and Blitz, none of which stand much of a chance. My only wins are through timing and stealing kills, which happens more to me. I think that if the game were to revert to any phase, I would want it to stay on track, as I don't want this nightmare to end....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 15:45:22 GMT -5
But, just because it's hopeless doesn't mean I quit. I am a good player, no matter how much I lose. I know how to play, and how to fight. I take on opponents 6 times my health and win a free for all. I kill everyone and am ready for anything. I want this game to throw whatever it can at me, I will never change. I will rule over this nightmare with what the game threw out!
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Post by dinnerplain on Jul 20, 2022 9:51:38 GMT -5
I've considered a 2nd account to get back to these simpler days but reading some of the comments it sounds like the lower leagues are a mess. Yes, the lower leagues are a mess now because in F2P you've got a random amount of "gold" weapons mixed in with mostly grey/blue bots and weapons. I wonder if "Legacy" could be redefined as the game without titans and gold level bots/weapons?
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