GenValentine
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Post by GenValentine on Dec 3, 2021 1:15:00 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, everyone who completes the derby can get 11 S-tokens hence, buyout the crate. Catch is that it's 1*. Is this Plarium's new gameplay to make money? Release sub-level weapons and have people rush upgrading them? Also, its good that its Rare and not Exotic/Epic, right?  In any case, still good to see just about anyone can get them.   |
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Post by S1E1 on Dec 3, 2021 1:33:39 GMT -5
Seems like you're right. They aren't even giving away Jav8 blueprints specifically, just random packets of bps. Unless people spend A-Coins it will take forever and a day to get those weapons up to R6. Good for newbies I guess but not sure I want to bother. Leaning towards converting the tokens again and seeing what I get.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 3, 2021 1:49:05 GMT -5
Seeing more if this kind of nonsense makes me think I picked a good time to ditch this crapfest. I’m not buying their excuses for offering new gear so underleveled - we all know what’s really driving it. I want no part of it.
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Post by BigBear on Dec 3, 2021 4:01:15 GMT -5
I would rather spend my resources on my already established weapons than chasing the latest shiny underwhelming weapon.
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Commander Dog
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Post by Commander Dog on Dec 3, 2021 4:11:43 GMT -5
Seeing more if this kind of nonsense makes me think I picked a good time to ditch this crapfest. I’m not buying their excuses for offering new gear so underleveled - we all know what’s really driving it. I want no part of it. Why is it nonsense? You have the chance of obtaining a new weapon for free. Just requires a modest grind. Yes, they are bombarding us with requests to spend money, which gets annoying but that can be ignored. However, the most important things are still here - enjoyable gameplay and the ability to compete, irregardless of what you spend. |
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Post by GenValentine on Dec 3, 2021 10:02:20 GMT -5
Seems like you're right. They aren't even giving away Jav8 blueprints specifically, just random packets of bps. Unless people spend A-Coins it will take forever and a day to get those weapons up to R6. Good for newbies I guess but not sure I want to bother. Leaning towards converting the tokens again and seeing what I get. Yeah, that was nasty of them not to give JR8 BPs.  But I think you meant at least 5* for the 30% proc on 2xDmg? 6* for dual copies of 10EN and above. Leaning towards spinning since its an assured win + chance of getting it early, and leaving the possible excess to convert.  |
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 3, 2021 10:06:38 GMT -5
Well, they said in today's announcement on Discord that they were going to rebalance the higher end weapons to start at lower ratings to make it more fair in lower levels. I think it's just to force people to spend money to get the weapons to playable levels. I was gonna spend the $14 to get the token pack to get the JR8 right away today until I noticed it was 1 star, which means as soon as you get it, you'll be prompted to spend $15 to get BPs that will upgrade it a few levels but not a rank. So, in response, I'll just play normally, most likely complete the Derby, get the JR8 and let it sit in the background until I get enough BPs to bring it to playable levels. Playable level meaning it's more powerful than my JR6 which is close to maxing.
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Post by GenValentine on Dec 3, 2021 10:17:42 GMT -5
Not mine. Just for reference. Its approx 17% more powerful than the JR6 at same level. I've seen some YT clips of it doing double damage for that single round. I don't play with the Jav line much but anyone knows if theres a difference in proc rate for the double damage for 6 rockets vs 1 big 「fake pee place」?  |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 3, 2021 11:03:30 GMT -5
Seeing more if this kind of nonsense makes me think I picked a good time to ditch this crapfest. I’m not buying their excuses for offering new gear so underleveled - we all know what’s really driving it. I want no part of it. Why is it nonsense? You have the chance of obtaining a new weapon for free. Just requires a modest grind. Yes, they are bombarding us with requests to spend money, which gets annoying but that can be ignored. However, the most important things are still here - enjoyable gameplay and the ability to compete, irregardless of what you spend. They’re ‘giving’ you a 1* weapon (at a time cost at the very least, so it’s not free) that’s going to take forever and/or a crapload of resources to level up to where it’s actually worthwhile, the sole intent being that players will get impatient after not getting what they need from the grind and buy those resources. ‘Enjoyable gameplay’ is definitely subjective. If I found it enjoyable, I’d still be playing. You can’t compete when you with a modest hangar continually get thrown in against squads of maxed or near-maxed hangars. They clearly manipulate the outcomes of games, regardless of how well (or poorly) you play, and I don’t find that enjoyable at all. |
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Post by S1E1 on Dec 3, 2021 12:19:27 GMT -5
Seems like you're right. They aren't even giving away Jav8 blueprints specifically, just random packets of bps. Unless people spend A-Coins it will take forever and a day to get those weapons up to R6. Good for newbies I guess but not sure I want to bother. Leaning towards converting the tokens again and seeing what I get. Yeah, that was nasty of them not to give JR8 BPs. >:D But I think you meant at least 5* for the 30% proc on 2xDmg? 6* for dual copies of 10EN and above. Leaning towards spinning since its an assured win + chance of getting it early, and leaving the possible excess to convert. 8-) I just went with R6 as top rank. All my main gear is now that including my Jav6s so for the 8s to really feel potent, that is the standard I now think of. But good point on the 30% crit at R5. Your plan to hopefully get the Jav and still have tokens left over is probably the best one. I'm going to collect all my tokens first and mull it over. See how it plays out for other folks. |
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Post by S1E1 on Dec 3, 2021 12:25:41 GMT -5
Why is it nonsense? You have the chance of obtaining a new weapon for free. Just requires a modest grind. Yes, they are bombarding us with requests to spend money, which gets annoying but that can be ignored. However, the most important things are still here - enjoyable gameplay and the ability to compete, irregardless of what you spend. ‘Enjoyable gameplay’ is definitely subjective. If I found it enjoyable, I’d still be playing. You can’t compete when you with a modest hangar continually get thrown in against squads of maxed or near-maxed hangars. They clearly manipulate the outcomes of games, regardless of how well (or poorly) you play, and I don’t find that enjoyable at all. The experience of this game varies a lot depending on when you play. I rarely go up against maxed squads. Guesstimating my win ratio, I'd say it is 7 matches out of 10 on tourney and 9 out of 10 on CPC so far less of a frustration factor. *Knock on wood* |
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Post by S1E1 on Dec 3, 2021 13:19:30 GMT -5
Not mine. Just for reference. Its approx 17% more powerful than the JR6 at same level. I've seen some YT clips of it doing double damage for that single round. I don't play with the Jav line much but anyone knows if theres a difference in proc rate for the double damage for 6 rockets vs 1 big 「fake pee place」? The big thing is that it reloads 0.7 seconds faster. Which is a pretty smart improvement. I shelved my Jav6s for a long time because the reload and damage level combined just limits you too much. Now that I've got mine up to R6, I've started using them again for certain tourney maps but I still don't like them all that much for CPC; my win rate just plummets when I equip them for the bacon race. If they had tweaked both damage and reload too much I think we'd all end up going nuts over all the campers bombarding us. If they only had upped damage I don't think these would work half as well for endgame even if they hit a lot harder. We'll see, but I think this config will hold its own pretty well in endgame without being OP. Still not spending A-Coins for the bps though. Nuts to that. |
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Post by Munki on Dec 3, 2021 16:55:53 GMT -5
Note the percentages for each prize. The Jav8 is 2.22%. As I see it, it is in its own tranche with all the others in the other tranche which would sum up their chances as 97.78%. I claimed the one free token and got 10,000 credits. The odds on the other items now not including the Jav8 are just over 10% now. So this means that even if you get 8 tokens and spend them, each spin will still have a 97.78% chance to NOT land on the Jav8. Only by claiming all the other items does the Jav8 percentage go from 2.22% to 100%, hence why you so often see it hit only on the last spin.
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Post by reconnecting on Dec 4, 2021 13:27:39 GMT -5
Note the percentages for each prize. The Jav8 is 2.22%. As I see it, it is in its own tranche with all the others in the other tranche which would sum up their chances as 97.78%. I claimed the one free token and got 10,000 credits. The odds on the other items now not including the Jav8 are just over 10% now. So this means that even if you get 8 tokens and spend them, each spin will still have a 97.78% chance to NOT land on the Jav8. Only by claiming all the other items does the Jav8 percentage go from 2.22% to 100%, hence why you so often see it hit only on the last spin. I think this is right in math terms, but in the MR12 event a number of people reported a higher chance on the first token used. I won it on first roll for example. So there is that to consider.   |
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 6, 2021 9:12:27 GMT -5
I'm still looking forward to getting mine. I'll let it gather BPs on it's own as I'm in no rush to use it. In the far future though, I can see myself putting both JR8 on a maxed Shadow and moving my JR6 to a Cheetah or something similar as I love this family of weapons. It would be awesome if I managed to grind the Cryo JR6 too as that would mean 3 mechs with missiles and the other two would be dual RG or dual SB16.
The power increase vs the JR6 is a bit disappointing though. A single missile has the disadvantage of losing a lot of potential damage per hit, whereas with the JR6, I'm shooting 12 missiles in a single salvo and at least 2 or 3 of those will do double damage and a miss or two doesn't hurt that much.
Plus, I'm starting to think that the JRs got another nerf as I'm not hitting around corners as reliably anymore.
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Post by Commander Dog on Dec 6, 2021 9:44:47 GMT -5
They feel like they will be a fun weapon to have, so I too will get them and let the upgrades take as long as they take in the background.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 6, 2021 11:09:32 GMT -5
Well, they said in today's announcement on Discord that they were going to rebalance the higher end weapons to start at lower ratings to make it more fair in lower levels. I think it's just to force people to spend money to get the weapons to playable levels. I was gonna spend the $14 to get the token pack to get the JR8 right away today until I noticed it was 1 star, which means as soon as you get it, you'll be prompted to spend $15 to get BPs that will upgrade it a few levels but not a rank. So, in response, I'll just play normally, most likely complete the Derby, get the JR8 and let it sit in the background until I get enough BPs to bring it to playable levels. Playable level meaning it's more powerful than my JR6 which is close to maxing. The other side of this is all of the people getting high tier items early through direct purchase. Since Plarionic base MM on XP, 20kXP players are getting Carb 8 + Zep deals (don’t quote me on the XP levels that those offers are happening, just pulled a random number out of my 「bum-bum」, I just know they occur very early) and just ripping through everyone that’s F2P around their same XP level. If you can buy them but they are weak, they will still be good in comparison to other low XP players, but not as insurmountable. That said, I don’t agree with that approach. While it may be the reason given, the incentive to spend to upgrade them is most likely the real reason. Things don’t get “fixed” unless they affect the bottom line, in War Robots and in MA. If they wanted to “fix” MM in regards to the unfairness of P2P(rogress), they would not allow you to equip then until you would have unlocked them on the XP path, to begin with. At the very least, put advancing the XP path as the product you are paying for, and allow you to skip the XP grind to unlock the items while also putting you up against similarly leveled players. Alas, there’s no perceived imbalance of power there and no “wow look at their hangar! I should spend to get what they have!” So, we have what we have. |
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 6, 2021 17:25:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I think Plarium is feeling the money crunch now that they're global. Their model is becoming increasingly money oriented and it's not all about the aesthetics anymore.
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Post by Munki on Dec 7, 2021 12:25:24 GMT -5
Just landed the Jav8. Got it on my 7th token, so the idea that it only comes 1st or last is not true. Just unlikely to get before end.
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 7, 2021 15:24:37 GMT -5
Well, I just got 250 tokens and finished the Derby. Got the last one for "Make any purchase" so I bought an token for 1.39. Figured I'll probably get 100 A-coins for left over tokens whereas the same 1.39 would have only bought 80 A-coins.
First impression of the JR8 in a custom game...underwhelming. No, I don't mean the damage. It's only 1 star after all. But, I'm so used to, and love, the "WHOOSH" of firing 6 or 12 missiles at once. Now, it's just 1 or 2 missiles at once and it's very anti-climatic. Oh well. It flies fast at least and reloads slightly faster. You'd think that only reloading 1 missile would be WAY faster than reloading 6 though and not just .7 seconds faster. Sigh, I'd much rather have the Cryo JR6 but alas, I have no friends!
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Post by Danny Linguini on Dec 7, 2021 18:11:16 GMT -5
I remembered I had one S-token left before I deleted this mess, so I says to myself, reload it, reload and take one spin, and if you get the Jav8, then maybe that’s a sign. Of course some dipstick starts haunting me to join a tournament game before the stupid nags are even done popping up, and like an idiot I declined instead of making him wait the whole 15 seconds all three times. So I finally get to spin, and it goes past all the garbage, then goes through a bunch of credits, then looks like it might stop on the Jav. And it almost does, but then it rolls back on 5000 credits. Couldn’t even get one of the good credit prizes, no, I get 5k. And so I says to myself, self, there’s your sign.
You know when you run into an ex girlfriend and wonder what one more roll in the hay might be like? Well it was nothing like that. Zero desire to touch another button. I couldn’t close that thing and delete it fast enough. I’m done, and if I had any doubts, this whole episode with how they introduced the Jav8 sealed it.
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Post by S1E1 on Dec 7, 2021 20:23:22 GMT -5
Saved my tokes til I had all 11 and then rolled. Got the Javs on my 6th try. Presumably I'll net another 50k in credits for those last tokens. I have to say, if this 10K credits per token rate is only for this event, I'm ok with that. Not great but they gave us 11 tokens total to convert and a 100% chance of winning the main prize. As far as gacha goes that is still head and shoulders above Pixonic. But if this is the new conversion rate going forward I am going to be seriously ticked. I am way more interested in how that plays out than the Jav8s tbh.
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Post by BigBear on Dec 7, 2021 20:53:24 GMT -5
Surprise surprise,it took my last token to unlock these new Javs,and then I got the BP splash screen for £6.99,no thanks Plarium I have a dusty shelf in my hanger to sit these new baby's on.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Dec 8, 2021 11:15:43 GMT -5
   In the interest of experimentation, I did get the BP pack and spent a few ACoins getting my 8s to 4 star. They are about 1000 damage less than my 6. So, I put one on my Shadow along with a Jav 6, to compare and contrast. Only one game so far, but, it went swimmingly. I actually like the 8 better since it seems to be a little faster cycle time, overall. While there was not a lot of kills, I counted 7 assists, at least, and got a few good back shots that I believe produced crits every time… I remember a couple of “wow”s escaping when I saw the damage. From the 8, to be clear, 6 was as effective as it always has been with occasional crits. Managed to stay in that bot the whole time without trying and never felt like I was dragging the team down. And that is with Jav 8 at 4*. I am thinking once they are 5 * and have all the double damage chance that they can have, they will feel like they belong. At 6.1 and up, I bet they are as viable as any 8 EN weapon would be in Late-/End-Game, if not more so. |
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Post by dukeofadvil on Dec 9, 2021 13:04:27 GMT -5
 6 bucks 3 star.....seems like a better deal than the event tokens. |
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Post by Koalabear on Dec 9, 2021 14:19:16 GMT -5
In the interest of experimentation, I did get the BP pack and spent a few ACoins getting my 8s to 4 star. They are about 1000 damage less than my 6. So, I put one on my Shadow along with a Jav 6, to compare and contrast. Only one game so far, but, it went swimmingly. I actually like the 8 better since it seems to be a little faster cycle time, overall. While there was not a lot of kills, I counted 7 assists, at least, and got a few good back shots that I believe produced crits every time… I remember a couple of “wow”s escaping when I saw the damage. From the 8, to be clear, 6 was as effective as it always has been with occasional crits. Managed to stay in that bot the whole time without trying and never felt like I was dragging the team down. And that is with Jav 8 at 4*. I am thinking once they are 5 * and have all the double damage chance that they can have, they will feel like they belong. At 6.1 and up, I bet they are as viable as any 8 EN weapon would be in Late-/End-Game, if not more so. What's the critical chance increase as it ranks up? |
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Post by Munki on Dec 9, 2021 16:36:46 GMT -5
In the interest of experimentation, I did get the BP pack and spent a few ACoins getting my 8s to 4 star. They are about 1000 damage less than my 6. So, I put one on my Shadow along with a Jav 6, to compare and contrast. Only one game so far, but, it went swimmingly. I actually like the 8 better since it seems to be a little faster cycle time, overall. While there was not a lot of kills, I counted 7 assists, at least, and got a few good back shots that I believe produced crits every time… I remember a couple of “wow”s escaping when I saw the damage. From the 8, to be clear, 6 was as effective as it always has been with occasional crits. Managed to stay in that bot the whole time without trying and never felt like I was dragging the team down. And that is with Jav 8 at 4*. I am thinking once they are 5 * and have all the double damage chance that they can have, they will feel like they belong. At 6.1 and up, I bet they are as viable as any 8 EN weapon would be in Late-/End-Game, if not more so. What's the critical chance increase as it ranks up? Click the stars to see just like with every game item. 2star=5% 3star=10% 4star=20% 5star=30% |
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Post by Munki on Dec 9, 2021 16:49:04 GMT -5
6 bucks 3 star.....seems like a better deal than the event tokens. Personally, I liked getting this item at 1 star as I need something to spend 2000 credits on a day for the daily challenges. If I do not spend the 2000 daily credits, then I would be letting go of the gold chest with 3 red tickets in it. This item will allow me several days of completing that challenge without having to outlay hundreds of thousands of credits on 6star items. |
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Post by OU812? on Dec 9, 2021 18:04:31 GMT -5
6 bucks 3 star.....seems like a better deal than the event tokens. LOL, I paid 9.99 for event tokens to get instant disappointment and Jav8 BP offers. Lesson learned. Fool me once….. |
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Post by Redfiend on Dec 10, 2021 14:46:43 GMT -5
Is this Plarium's new gameplay to make money? Release sub-level weapons and have people rush upgrading them? ] Yes.  |
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