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Post by daviduzzowwr on Sept 27, 2016 3:47:04 GMT -5
what is the best?
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Post by colonelblackjack on Sept 27, 2016 5:57:18 GMT -5
Since I have neither, I really can't say, but I have been told the Lancellot is this best bot in the game. they call it (chubbs)
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Post by Duodec on Sept 27, 2016 19:18:02 GMT -5
Ditto, but from my understanding it depends on what role you're looking to fill. The Lancelot is arguably the best knife fighter in the game, and the fury is the best mid range/sniper. Personally I'm getting a Lancelot first. A Natasha or Leo, while not as good as the fury, can serve fairly well in the mid range or sniper roles in my experience.
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Post by Strayed on Sept 29, 2016 11:15:05 GMT -5
The fury is pretty much a death button with twice the range and splash, but you really do need to have a good team.
The lancelot however can easily solo several bots in quick succession with relatively minor damage.
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Post by petevb on Sept 29, 2016 11:49:33 GMT -5
It's impossible to answer this or most bot questions in a vacuum. Current hanger, player skill and level, available weapons/ budget, target tier, solo vs clan play- every one of these factors impacts the answer.
The Fury and Lance share a price-tag and little else.
The Fury is strongest as a mid-range support bot. With triple Zeus or more commonly Tridents it is the most effective bot in the game in that role. I recommend every platooning player keep one range bot in the hanger, typically a Fury, Russian Death Button Griffin or Carnage (usually Zeus). These bots will all improve performance on open maps- Winter, Shenzhen and particularly Canyons. The Fury is the most effective of these choices on those maps, but also the biggest liability on tight maps. In solo play the Fury can also be a liability, as it's very vulnerable to close in attack by brawlers and stalkers without support.
The Lancelot is in many ways the opposite. It works best as a dedicated brawler, most effective on tighter maps, and with Orks and Thunder would compete with Death Button Griffin, Carnage Thunder, etc for that role. Used wisely it can be do more damage in close than any other bot, but its slow speed over ground means that in many cases it's tactically disadvantaged on larger and more open maps in particular.
Given all this I'd generally recommend the Fury to players that: 1. Have 5 open slots and some Orks already 2. Platoon 3. Are weak on more open maps 4. Have a strong brawler lineup already and 5. Have or have the budget for 3x Tridents
I'd recommend the Lancelot to players that: 1. Have five open slots and some Orks already 2. Have a decent mid-range bot already (RDB or similar) 3. Have a relative fast hanger 4. Need to improve their hanger on tight maps
With all of the above said, for Top tier I'd typically add gold bots in the following order: 1. Galahad, 2. Galahad, 3. Lancelot, 4. Fury, 5. Lancelot (maybe). That's the lineup I currently use most often, but even the Galahad are not quite fast enough to balance out the lack of speed from the 2x Lancelot in some games.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Oct 1, 2016 15:20:03 GMT -5
While I love my Trident Fury, RDB Griffs are pretty devastating in their own right. They're perfectly capable of filling the mid range roll till you have your brawlers built out.
If you don't have a Lance I'd say get one of those before building out a Fury. A Lance (thunder/ork) murders in close end counters.
Unload on a shielded Rhino and 9 times out of 10 they drop their shield due to the splash. Thunder cleans em out after that.
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Post by MeanMachine on Oct 2, 2016 19:46:52 GMT -5
My money would go to the Lancelot every time. I have two on my iOS account and love them. I prefer knife fighting and don't have much in the way of sniper mechs in my hangar. Def more suited for my play style
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Post by xserranx on Dec 5, 2016 6:10:11 GMT -5
It's impossible to answer this or most bot questions in a vacuum. Current hanger, player skill and level, available weapons/ budget, target tier, solo vs clan play- every one of these factors impacts the answer. The Fury and Lance share a price-tag and little else. The Fury is strongest as a mid-range support bot. With triple Zeus or more commonly Tridents it is the most effective bot in the game in that role. I recommend every platooning player keep one range bot in the hanger, typically a Fury, Russian Death Button Griffin or Carnage (usually Zeus). These bots will all improve performance on open maps- Winter, Shenzhen and particularly Canyons. The Fury is the most effective of these choices on those maps, but also the biggest liability on tight maps. In solo play the Fury can also be a liability, as it's very vulnerable to close in attack by brawlers and stalkers without support. The Lancelot is in many ways the opposite. It works best as a dedicated brawler, most effective on tighter maps, and with Orks and Thunder would compete with Death Button Griffin, Carnage Thunder, etc for that role. Used wisely it can be do more damage in close than any other bot, but its slow speed over ground means that in many cases it's tactically disadvantaged on larger and more open maps in particular. Given all this I'd generally recommend the Fury to players that: 1. Have 5 open slots and some Orks already 2. Platoon 3. Are weak on more open maps 4. Have a strong brawler lineup already and 5. Have or have the budget for 3x Tridents I'd recommend the Lancelot to players that: 1. Have five open slots and some Orks already 2. Have a decent mid-range bot already (RDB or similar) 3. Have a relative fast hanger 4. Need to improve their hanger on tight maps With all of the above said, for Top tier I'd typically add gold bots in the following order: 1. Galahad, 2. Galahad, 3. Lancelot, 4. Fury, 5. Lancelot (maybe). That's the lineup I currently use most often, but even the Galahad are not quite fast enough to balance out the lack of speed from the 2x Lancelot in some games. Great post on several levels. Deserves a bump.
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Post by miatahead on Dec 5, 2016 14:26:55 GMT -5
Unless you have 3 Tridents already leveled, the Fury will be pretty useless. That said, I think Fury is the better investment, so long as you have the Tridents. Lance has the advantage as the weapons can come from another bot.
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Post by petevb on Dec 5, 2016 19:00:35 GMT -5
With all of the above said, for Top tier I'd typically add gold bots in the following order: 1. Galahad, 2. Galahad, 3. Lancelot, 4. Fury, 5. Lancelot (maybe). That's the lineup I currently use most often, but even the Galahad are not quite fast enough to balance out the lack of speed from the 2x Lancelot in some games. Since this thread was resurrected I should mention: In the two months since I wrote the above the Aphid's accuracy and damage has been buffed- they are now significantly more prevalent and deadly. This has hit the Lancelot hard- it's big and too slow to get out of the way without the speed boost, so it takes a lot of damage from Aphids. Given this I now run only one Lancelot, though often none. A typical hanger with a Lancelot would be PDB Galahad, PDB Galahad, Trident Fury, Thunder / Ork Lancelot, Thunder / Aphid Leo. However more often I'll run PDB Galahad x3, Trident Fury x 2. The Galahad is fast enough to dodge Aphids with the shield off, so the Aphid buff effects it less. Given this I'd now move the Lancelot down my gold bot purchase priority list. It's still a good bot when you need to tank, but I'd buy Galahad and then a Fury before I got a Lance.
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Post by KaneoheGrown on Dec 5, 2016 23:48:28 GMT -5
Have both near max. IMO, grab a Lance before a Fury.
A RDB Griff can work well as a fill in for a midrange fighter, and at an all silver cost, it is much less resource intensive to max. Additionally, when you're able to the Griff can work well as a db.
I like driving my Fury, but the bot is extremely situational. On PP and DC the bot is extremely limited. Additionally, the overall costs associated with upgrading triple tridents is very resource intensive.
Finally, a Lance is the premier close in fighter. Close up it is second to none. A correctly timed rush will kill every other knife fighter on the field. Near every top end hangar has at least one Lance filling a slot.
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Post by Zhøu™ on Dec 6, 2016 0:54:38 GMT -5
Have both near max. IMO, grab a Lance before a Fury. A RDB Griff can work well as a fill in for a midrange fighter, and at an all silver cost, it is much less resource intensive to max. Additionally, when you're able to the Griff can work well as a db. I like driving my Fury, but the bot is extremely situational. On PP and DC the bot is extremely limited. Additionally, the overall costs associated with upgrading triple tridents is very resource intensive. Finally, a Lance is the premier close in fighter. Close up it is second to none. A correctly timed rush will kill every other knife fighter on the field. Near every top end hangar has at least one Lance filling a slot. Agreed. I have a Fury too, but in PP and DC its so limited, almost useless. RDB Griffin on the other hand, can shine even in tight areas due to its jump ability.
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Post by petevb on Dec 6, 2016 1:35:39 GMT -5
Costs no object the Fury is currently slightly more popular at top tier level. In my (maxed) clan a quick survey shows that nearly every player has either a Fury or a Lancelot in, and most run at least one of each. Other clans will be different: EVIL / Dark runs Griffin heavy with few Lancelot, while CDxx on the other hand runs lots of Lancelot. Our clan is nearly split, but with slightly more Fury than Lancelot. However the trend is clear: with the Aphid buff and the increase in shield bots Lancelot are decreasing and Fury increasing.
As I outlined above a couple months ago I agree the Fury Trident is a liability on Dead City/ Power Plant, however I've found that played aggressively it is far less so than I'd once believed. On Dead City try to time the drop to start on the left, then drive left and forwards towards the gap. You'll get there in time to get at least one shot off before the enemy gets range, and with backup you can often stop an assault on the left beacon cold before pushing forwards. The Fury Trident is also good against Lancelot due to their slow speed and perhaps the best antidote to Galahad available. However you will want to counterbalance a Fury with fast brawlers- the Fury hangs back and burns slow, so you need the opposite.
I've got two Lance and two Fury maxed. I currently use one or both of the Fury far more often. I play all maps and can hang with the clan on any of them, though I will admit Power Plant can be a challenge,..
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Post by CΛΜΡΞΓ™ on Dec 6, 2016 1:39:14 GMT -5
Yeap. Galahads, Griffins and Furies are the way to go ATM I reckon.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 11:18:10 GMT -5
Trident Fury is workable on PP when spawn points are on each end of the long street, gives a nice clear shot at anyone crossing. So, 1 in 3 spawn combinations work well. EDIT: Meant PP, not DC, corrected
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