MA - Another War Robots?

But it’s trying like hell to get there. 

Pulse 6 ares for $4 is offered right off the bat. Carbine Zephyr for $25 is a few days in.
175k credits worth of grinding: 4
8250 Coins and 375k credits worth of grinding for  6 months: $25

Yea, the last thing they should be doing is nerfing the long term rewards like Vault spins, especially with the influx of whales. But here we are. The earnable rewards were fine, like 6 months ago. In current state, the effort time sink is becoming increasingly unreasonable.

Thanks for the usual accurate statistics man.

"8250 Coins and 375k credits worth of grinding for 6 months: $25"

This confirms what I had in mind. Half a year of advantage for $25. Now the only silverlining here is if do the MM right but my hopes are low for this as well.

It's not looking good is it? I'm assuming a lot of players that will play this game knows about War robots or are Playing war robots and once they see the monetization in this game they will just not play it. I played this game even before it's out in google Playstore in my country and had high hopes, definitely a good game but it's looking like a pay to play to me.

I can really tell some of you let these games get to you way way to much..

These companies will make money.. as would you if you spent the time to develop it. 

IMO this is still no where near War Robots, think all the new currency that would drop, work shops, pilots, chips, skins, modules, drones, titans.. ADS.. there were times/levels youd get to unless you were in a clan, and a good one that ran teams you coudlnt win games at all.. and who knows what else in the 1yr+ I haven't logged in. Not to mind the fact that you could put a timer on things being nerfed into the ground and not even useable anymore. 

The nerfs here in comparison are minimal, every mech is still valid in some instance.. some weapons sure not worth going into and IMO the RG alone isn't that powerful. 

Are there still things that need worked on here, sure. MM still needs some love, tournament brackets need redone. Some bots and weapons could use a little buff as there are still IMO 1-5 mechs that are really used end game.. but you can put most anything in at a higher level and compete with it. 

Short of stupid AI at times, murder AI at others that time will tell as players come in if those AI fade away or not.. unless you hit a bad MM and run solo and into a group of 3+ winning inst hard.. even with my crazy play or only focusing on a task/event I think my win % last I looked was ~80%

Can this game take a turn of course but I just dont see it as doom and gloom as some of you right now.. I know for sure if I went back to War Robots for a week that would likely be confirmation that MA isnt that bad in this current state. 

Its global launch there company will want to see some cash flow come in for the work theyve put into it for years.. I dont pay attention to deals because simply I told myself when I started I'm not spending. If someone starts and gets certain mechs/weapons early then I can see when you're lower how that may be a pain.. but it doesnt affect me unless I get them in a bracket for tournament. 

end of the day its a game.. I will play until I dont enjoy it or have motivation to do other things that are really better use of my time (which is pretty much everything.. damn motivation...)

I will present a counter argument to what many are saying here.  While I will agree that movement is towards some of the business strategies of War Robots, there are so many other things about this game that are better and are not being changed.  The game play for one.  It's still light years above War Robots IMO.  I think the move to only have 1 copy of mechs is actually a move AWAY from War Robots and ultimately a good move.  They have pissed off some long standing players, but lets be real that NO ONE liked the idea of having 1 mech that completely dominated game play in War Robots and was spammed by P2W players.

Additionally, they are not "phasing out" legacy bots in favor of new ones.  In fact, some of the legacy bots are the strongest, most utilized in the game.  Until, the recent balance nerf of the tanks, the best tank was arguably the first one available...the Juggernaut.  It's still extremely viable, but now it is more on par with the others.  Additionally, there are PLENTY of examples of people making good use of most all of the mechs.  This means that (so far at least) investiment in these mechs is relatively safe.  Once you reach the top, no one's mechs are becoming obsolete.  It might take a while to get there, but the "there" isn't a moving target and it never has been.

Last argument is this...it is still a company and entitled to attempt to make money.  I know this argument can be used to justify all kinds of gross monetary practices, but when you look at the expensive stuff in this game, it's not about how good the mech is.  It's about how much you are saving on resources.  Buying a prototype mech is expensive, yes, but you are also paying for all the resources you didn't spend to get the mech or weapon to level R5.  Redfiend has shown that in total resource costs, the mechs all cost about the same (yes there is variation, but it's not excessive).  War Robots, you pay an exorbatent premium for a mech/robot and then you had to spend money to get it up to a useable level.  MA, if you pay big money for something, it's usually ready to use.  There are many other arguments that when taken at face value and not taken emotionally, show that MA is just setting themselves up to make money and not bleed the player base dry.

I get why people are worried about this game becoming War Robots and TBH, it could still happen.  I'm not nieve.  But when you look at everything together, it's a far cry from War Robots.  A far cry.  Just my $0.02

Hey man, not knocking any of what you say, but if you really want a RG, I can set you up with a plan to get it 3 months or less...just saying.  8000 a-coins in 3 months, no money spent.  Low stress too.  You know most of what I do anyway.

3 months is still a while and you can definitely speed it up with more tournament play, but I'm on a strict low stress gameplay diet and won't stress myself out with much in the tourney.  lol

All valid points sir.  and RG is super powerful in the hands of a skilled player.  No argument here.  

Nah man.  Right now, there are 2 events/week that have 100 a-coins as their prize.  3 months is 13 weeks.  That's 200 a-coins x 13 weeks = 2600 coins.  Next is the new weekly prize rewards.  This takes 4-5 days to complete 1 cycle (you can manage 2 cycles every nine days if you play your cards right).  Conservatively, that's 200 more coins every 5 days.  3 months is 90 days.  That means you'll get 200 coins 18 times, or 3600 coins.  Just from events and tasks, that means you'll get 6200 coins.

Lastly, if you play the tournament like I have advocated and just push the last 2 or 3 days and win first place in Novice and Professional brackets (or whatever they are) you'll win 150 coins/ week from easy tournament days (all the try-hards are in the master and grandmaster brackets at this point).  That's almost 2000 coins which brings your total over 8000.  That doesn't even take into account the slow accumulation of coins from chests or from random Loot Rush spins.  That's why it could easily be faster.  But still, 3 months.  There you go!

     When I lose a match it is often to groups of players with railguns.  They are OP and  abused by some clans.  I could get one probably in 2 months by saving coins, as I buy them twice a month around the 1st and 15th.  Add in coins I win and there it is. Thing is ,I don't like sniping because I'm not skilled at it.  So should I save for rg then? Probably not. But rg clans will sweep the field unless I have a good human team.  Nerf rg?

A RG by itself isn't a "you're dead if you move around.." mines at 6.7 and unless its teamed with something else I'm not destroying people with it alone. LA, SB +RG, etc... I run my CB12 panther way more effectively and deadly than my RG16 and LR10 panther. 

I don't seem to struggle that much against RG unless its a full team.. then at that point its really an "insert here" what you're dealing with as an issue.. RG, RM, Zephs, Surge, Arcs... 

If you're going 1 on 1 and a player has a RG as much as the urge to go after them and take them out .. youre better using a faster mech and going after the entire red team other than them.. RG has slow reload and only # of shots it can do and more often its on a mech that of itself doesnt do any additional damage. Drop a KS in with good weapons' and take out the reds. You should really be playing against everyone but them, it usually makes them move around or get brave if they see the CPC clock is not in their favor or kill count is lower..

I say all that and I still use the yolo tactic and go after them.. 

Everything and everyone in this game can be countered.. some may be a little more difficult but its doable. 

as someone else said;
I do agree that the second copies should have been removed when the change was done.. I'm glad they are looking to see what the comp should be and I'm sure that will be underwhelming when it happens and upset people but yes... the copies need to go.

Some replies are focusing on the weapon,my point was how the weapon can be used,as I said I can try my best to tackle that player running the Rail Gun,while I'm trying to deal tactically that player is easily taking out AI,and I have to avoid a one shot one kill moment everytime,that player has to be lucky once.

I can only comment on experience in the game,so many times I have been last man standing as my AI team has been eliminated,many times battling AI to be one shot killed by a player I never saw.

Snipers are difficult as they hang back and AI is between you and them,RM,s the only weapon to get at them, skirmishes are as bad,come face to face it's usually a MR and RG slap,it's over before you can blink.

Redfiend recently posted a good idea to make RG fully a sniper weapon,and similar to LA,s reduce its power the nearer the target is,rather than a powerful weapon near or far.

Almost have to keep a strong mortar build in your hangar for dual RGs now.  TBH, the only reason I want a max KS, right now, is to be able to run dual RM 12s for just this purpose.