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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jul 2, 2021 9:35:42 GMT -5
Just thought I would get the ball rolling. ismseanIt's early days but I'm running Skadi in the air and some dusty Scourges on the ground. Not bad. AFAIK, the Scourges are locking on in the background so as soon as I hit the land button I'll start scourging before I hit the ground. I wouldn't call the Fafnir an anti-Titan boot. At least not yet. Fun? Yes. Lay waste to 5 AMs in one match? Not yet. Lol. I'm using the Legendary Pilot as a pilot but she's at level 30 or so. Minimal Au spent until the pilot situation (Manni, or a even maybe second Legendary Pilot is released.)
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Post by ismsean on Jul 2, 2021 10:35:39 GMT -5
I like that Skadi in the air and Scorchers on the ground, gives that range to stay out of 90% of the weapons out there while in flight and damage to armor'd bots while on ground. Pain that the built in weapon's range is only 350. Right now, after all my iterations of drones and modules my current setup is -> Persephone drone with on repair damage boost with the on repair defense points. Adrian is the pilot and the modules on bot are anticontrol, balance unit and Last Stand. Right now, I use mine as a beacon runner due to flight speed. I think the Hawk is a better bot right now due to the distance of the built in weapon.
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Post by ismsean on Jul 2, 2021 10:41:36 GMT -5
Also, your worst enemy are bots with range that can possibly lock you down. Mags/Pulsars and tasers (lock on) are the worst.
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Post by Loganspawn on Jul 2, 2021 11:35:04 GMT -5
All I know from not having one is how to try and hurt them. So far I am really liking my new Ice zappers against them in flight. No lock on time fire and forget.
I know a few players that are getting ready the same way.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jul 2, 2021 12:00:40 GMT -5
All I know from not having one is how to try and hurt them. So far I am really liking my new Ice zappers against them in flight. No lock on time fire and forget. I know a few players that are getting ready the same way. Froodles good against Fafnir and other soft targets, bad against Shells.... Rock, paper, scissors. Always.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jul 2, 2021 12:09:00 GMT -5
Ultimate anti-Fafnir weapon... ? Chimera!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2021 16:31:35 GMT -5
All I know from not having one is how to try and hurt them. So far I am really liking my new Ice zappers against them in flight. No lock on time fire and forget. I know a few players that are getting ready the same way. Plasma family has a bug that only affects Orochi. I posted about this bug. you need range weapons that are design for hitting far targets. Pulsar, hornet family. Gauss and sniper weapons.
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Post by TerrorStorm on Jul 4, 2021 2:38:19 GMT -5
Fafnir loses a bit to hawk with the built in weapon. It makes up on the ground with fire power and health. Nearly as tough as its brother Fenrir. If you can manage the Hawk death beam in the air (Shell, Fenrir, Falcon…) they are pretty soft on the ground.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Jul 4, 2021 8:09:42 GMT -5
I like that Skadi in the air and Scorchers on the ground, gives that range to stay out of 90% of the weapons out there while in flight and damage to armor'd bots while on ground. Pain that the built in weapon's range is only 350. Right now, after all my iterations of drones and modules my current setup is -> Persephone drone with on repair damage boost with the on repair defense points. Adrian is the pilot and the modules on bot are anticontrol, balance unit and Last Stand. Right now, I use mine as a beacon runner due to flight speed. I think the Hawk is a better bot right now due to the distance of the built in weapon. Gosh, I wonder what the 2nd Legendary Pilot’s ability will be. </sarcasm>
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Post by Jeb on Jul 4, 2021 8:37:29 GMT -5
Looks like people are figuring out how to kill flying Fafnirs...as soon as that shield drops, they start taking fire like they're Hovers.
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Post by Koko Bop on Jul 8, 2021 15:22:33 GMT -5
Gotta say I’m more impressed with the new Viking weapons than I am with Faf…
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Post by ismsean on Jul 8, 2021 15:28:57 GMT -5
At first I was all pumped about this bot, having one now, I am like...(shrugs shoulders). I think it needs a lil time to grow on me and once I settle on that final drone/chip/weapon combo, might be something. I think Pix is going to tweak this bot to more on par with the Hawk (which I think is a much stronger bot).
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Post by Koko Bop on Jul 8, 2021 18:02:14 GMT -5
I actually ended up with two…almost 3 Fafnir…5x 6x Hel…5x 6x Skadi…3.5x Snaer.
They’re all good weapons. Faf, OTOH, is S L O W…even in the air, where it’s supposed to be “SO fast!”
Only L6 so far, but it’s slow and weak and fragile…probably have to take it to 11 to get much use out of it…putting Rogatka back in the hangar while I wait
…..follow up question: anybody think there’d be a benefit in TWO Fafnir? I’m at a standstill re: Ag & other game resources…after the Frankenstein remake of Ops…but selling it would only net 5,600,000, so…maybe? I haven’t had huge success running multiples (‘cept for Tyr), so your opinions are welcome!
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Post by Koko Bop on Jul 9, 2021 14:21:28 GMT -5
At first I was all pumped about this bot, having one now, I am like...(shrugs shoulders). I think it needs a lil time to grow on me and once I settle on that final drone/chip/weapon combo, might be something. I think Pix is going to tweak this bot to more on par with the Hawk (which I think is a much stronger bot). Sameâ¦then again, Ao Jun & Hawk have overcome such weaknesses to become primary targetsâ¦I never chased an event chest like this, spent way too much (*any*) money. But after they DESTROYED Ops - the one decent thing theyâd done for the player base in YEARS - the vent introduced new bot & weapons. Having gotten my EMGs and Ao Jun thru the workshop - and having been repeatedly slaughtered through the build and upgradesâ¦and through all the other big rollouts (not counting the year I ended up with FIVE Red-Nosed Fenrirâ¦IDEK) of gear I didnât get until it was far behind the meta, Iâ¦justâ¦went for it. OW..but not (really) sorry. I remember someone asking if Fafnir will âramp upâ like the Hawkâ¦I donât think it will: HP and ground speed are the only stats bumped; Johannaâs unique ability doesnât change(so far), the +50DP seems to have no wiggle room. There are, of course, pilot skill slots, but why depend on those, when Pix can and will screw up our end to improve their money numbers. Iâd bow out again for awhile, but the current resource cluster「fluffernutter」 means I canât just collect and upgrade - Iâll have to fight and win to collect anything useable (+Ag / Au)â¦but maybe Iâll just take a hike anyway. I have SO MUCH on my plate, and with no peace, no privacy, no *space* in which to do anythingâ¦(ha, it sounds like Iâm in jail or something).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 17:32:16 GMT -5
I actually ended up with two…almost 3 Fafnir… 5x 6x Hel… 5x 6x Skadi…3.5x Snaer. They’re all good weapons. Faf, OTOH, is S L O W…even in the air, where it’s supposed to be “SO fast!” Only L6 so far, but it’s slow and weak and fragile…probably have to take it to 11 to get much use out of it…putting Rogatka back in the hangar while I wait …..follow up question: anybody think there’d be a benefit in TWO Fafnir? I’m at a standstill re: Ag & other game resources…after the Frankenstein remake of Ops…but selling it would only net 5,600,000, so…maybe? I haven’t had huge success running multiples (‘cept for Tyr), so your opinions are welcome! I am 100 free player, so I never have more than 1 bot or 1 set of weapons. At the current meta pace, I just level 1 new weapon by the time it gets nerf or countered. long time free player, so my hanger is always diverse. Faf is easy to take down if I use my counters. Hawk, Titan with QS, and taser build. most meta bots have big Achilles heel, so no. Just 1. Orochi or Hb or shell if you want a similar bot. they would need to make a good pilot for whales to use more than 1. Give it reflector shield or stealth every ability use. it only looks strong because it counter flames/ice/ and sonic. Not many use taser or new viking thor hammers weapons. I got snaer so I will mk2 before my current sparks.
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Post by Koko Bop on Jul 9, 2021 19:18:46 GMT -5
I actually ended up with two…almost 3 Fafnir… 5x 6x Hel… 5x 6x Skadi…3.5x Snaer. They’re all good weapons. Faf, OTOH, is S L O W…even in the air, where it’s supposed to be “SO fast!” Only L6 so far, but it’s slow and weak and fragile…probably have to take it to 11 to get much use out of it…putting Rogatka back in the hangar while I wait …..follow up question: anybody think there’d be a benefit in TWO Fafnir? I’m at a standstill re: Ag & other game resources…after the Frankenstein remake of Ops…but selling it would only net 5,600,000, so…maybe? I haven’t had huge success running multiples (‘cept for Tyr), so your opinions are welcome! I am 100 free player, so I never have more than 1 bot or 1 set of weapons. At the current meta pace, I just level 1 new weapon by the time it gets nerf or countered. long time free player, so my hanger is always diverse. Faf is easy to take down if I use my counters. Hawk, Titan with QS, and taser build. most meta bots have big Achilles heel, so no. Just 1. Orochi or Hb or shell if you want a similar bot. they would need to make a good pilot for whales to use more than 1. Give it reflector shield or stealth every ability use. it only looks strong because it counter flames/ice/ and sonic. Not many use taser or new viking thor hammers weapons. I got snaer so I will mk2 before my current sparks. I appreciate your comments…tho I confess, I feel I’m not entirely following you, so pardon me if my responses seem off. Ditto on long-time free player: my hangar has been almost entirely ‘gifted’ by Pix over the last 5 years either through slow accumulation, chest droppings, and the Workshop - weapons and all. Diverse, as you say: my only ‘pair’ of bots are my OG Tyr - one a rare event drop, and Ancient Tyr, a chest drop. OG has been my favorite bot since I got it, my #1 go to, and in the absence of an Legendary Pilot initially, I built up a pretty damn good pilot for it. When Ancient dropped, that +10% HP made me reluctant to sell it…and I soon got dropped a Valka. Both are L11 now. So, asked about this new guy. You got free Hawk, free QS module - nice gear, don’t have those; Fafnir is easy to kill. Mine is when I take it out, all the others I’ve seen w/ the reds have gone down just as easy. Levels and module slots should toughen them up, but I’m not interested in Orochi or She’ll except for wrecking them. I don’t see what reflector shields have to do with non-titans, and I’m NOT “trying to figure out how” to run two…. You say Fafnir “counter flames/ice/ and sonic”. It seems to have no such abilities, so please link to the information you’re using - I would be grateful! A word on the new weapons: they pair well with higher-level weapons. Example: 2.6 Scourges in pair are less hard hitting than 2.6 Scourge + 1.7 Skadi. Example: 1.11 Calamity+1.11 Viper is less efficient, less effective than 1.1 Calamity+1.7 Hel. 1.5 Snaer hits harder than 1.9 Quarker. The new frost gear results in more damage faster. My max kill # was 11 for like 3 years; since the new weapons, it’s gone up to 14. Sorry to ramble, but we’re still early days in scraping out the meat of this event/update, so…hopefully some of it will be found useful
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2021 22:32:51 GMT -5
Faf has no defense in the air once the bubble is gone. The reflector shield is the hawk shield and minos shield. New pilot needs to give it some defense in the air. There is no counter to reflector shield, stealth has counters. I expect more future bots, pilots, drones to use reflectors.
Faf is fast in the air. It can fly out of sonic range. And easy to avoid flames and rockets.
In champ, everyone 1 month ago were using these 3 weapons. So faf is built for the champ meta.
Taser was meta 3, 4 years ago. Anyone whale that started later they have no taser weapons I bet. Same with newly minted master player.
There is 1 counter to new bots, but because no one has it then they say no counters exist. This time I lucky. My Tyr is Mk2 11 been working on it. Entire set of taser at Mk2. All fafnir in air melt fast.
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Post by Koko Bop on Jul 10, 2021 12:24:57 GMT -5
Faf has no defense in the air once the bubble is gone. The reflector shield is the hawk shield and minos shield. New pilot needs to give it some defense in the air. There is no counter to reflector shield, stealth has counters. I expect more future bots, pilots, drones to use reflectors. Faf is fast in the air. It can fly out of sonic range. And easy to avoid flames and rockets. In champ, everyone 1 month ago were using these 3 weapons. So faf is built for the champ meta. Taser was meta 3, 4 years ago. Anyone whale that started later they have no taser weapons I bet. Same with newly minted master player. There is 1 counter to new bots, but because no one has it then they say no counters exist. This time I lucky. My Tyr is Mk2 11 been working on it. Entire set of taser at Mk2. All fafnir in air melt fast. …Um, okay…I DID mention I’ve been playing this since the Camelot bots dropped, right? FIVE years? Add-on reflectors may be in the future, but Pix will make it as annoying and expensive as possible to add it to a bot *they* didn’t choose… “Faf is fast in the air” - again. It is NOT “fast”…maybe faster than Nightingale in the air, but that’s not fast. I’m sure it *can* move out of range if it’s already AT max range - but that’s a RANGE thing, not a SPEED thing. Rather than brief reflector protection, I’d *much* rather a ‘skill’ or something that doubles the airspeed - maybe some kind of afterburner module…then again, I’ve been wanting an accelerator module since they first announced the module project. As for Faf being able to ‘easily avoid’ flames and rockets in the air: not against anyone who’s GOOD with those. BLITZ has a much easier time dodging flames and rockets than almost anything else on the ground (+ Loki, Phantom, Pursuer, Scorpion)…while AO JUN is the fastest thing in the air, and a highly effective dodger. UNLIKE Fafnir. But this isn’t an argument, we’re comparing notes on our battle experiences; consensus will arise as we proceed. So champs had access to an early release of new weapons? Damn, *THAT* is fair…*not*. As part of the same release pack, Fafnir is *OF COURSE* in tune with the new META. And aside from being great weapons, why are we talking about taser-class when we’re trying to learn the ins and outs of NEW gear? As far as effective weaponry goes, a pair of 2.12 Pun Ts will mince a Fafnir nice and quick. I love my Scourges, tho…nice that I have plenty (just in case, right?). ALL Fafnir (so far) die quick. No special bots/abilities required (so far). My Faf hits L8 today: I’ll put it back in the lineup & check airspeed and survival time. To be effective, it needs to be more than One Punch Man: it needs to hit hard *and* last long enough to DELIVER that damage, or it won’t stay in the hangar. Having a 2.12 Tyr is great, but it’s not luck: YOU made that happen on purpose, so bravo to you. I was careless when I started the game, I didn’t take upgrading seriously - and I’ve been playing catch-up ever since. It’s effective, no doubt, but AFAICS Tyr - even mk2 taser Tyr - doesn’t count as a ‘counter’: a counter exploits specific weaknesses and design limitations in order to bring down bots that are otherwise TOO powerful for regular tactics. Again, appreciate your comments; please, keep it up
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 20:40:39 GMT -5
The ones I see are maxed out. Pilot skills Road hog tier4, Ad road hog, and Scout. Add up +54% speed. That thing was cooking.
I have won nitro booster for my Loki. If feel Need For Speed, buy 3 Nitro boosters. But he no use still cooking. Crazy.
Stack speed booster. Very fast faf possible to make for you.
My hanger is careless. Still no max hanger after 6 years.
Mention Tyr because you use it. But it is platform for my taser. My pilot has lock on skill. Taser is the counter to faf and rochi.
May other counters. But I no have. I no try.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 19:07:08 GMT -5
Nitro is 45. Speed booster is 22 in squad.
Add up. 121%
103 mph 104
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Post by Grumpy Tanker #Official on Jul 13, 2021 7:22:54 GMT -5
Looks like people are figuring out how to kill flying Fafnirs...as soon as that shield drops, they start taking fire like they're Hovers. Yep, if it flys, and you can see it.... It's a 「fluffernutter」ing bullet magnet. This is the way.
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Post by Jeb on Jul 13, 2021 7:59:44 GMT -5
I have seen a Fafnir flying quite fast, like a Hawk at least.
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Post by 7Chandrian on Jul 13, 2021 8:13:45 GMT -5
A word on the new weapons: they pair well with higher-level weapons. Example: 2.6 Scourges in pair are less hard hitting than 2.6 Scourge + 1.7 Skadi. Example: 1.11 Calamity+1.11 Viper is less efficient, less effective than 1.1 Calamity+1.7 Hel. 1.5 Snaer hits harder than 1.9 Quarker. The new frost gear results in more damage faster. My max kill # was 11 for like 3 years; since the new weapons, it’s gone up to 14. Sorry to ramble, but we’re still early days in scraping out the meat of this event/update, so…hopefully some of it will be found useful This. I'm lucky enough to have two max Scourges (which I built at the start of the Shock train Spectre era, who's laughing now ya cheese mongers) and Scourge/Hel Fenrir with a couple of t3 freezer chips means, even with Hel only at 1.6, reds have more rime than the Ancient Mariner.
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Post by Koko Bop on Jul 13, 2021 15:42:20 GMT -5
Just in to say levels *DO* increase the airspeed…significantly. MUCH faster (apparently) than their ground speed.
I was honestly surprised. Also, the secret weapon seems to have ramped up its effectiveness. I have *not* noticed it being “twice as effective against Titans”, but Noodles run when they feel mine bite.
Still in shakedown mode…it feels awkward and clumsy, and seems to serve best w/ beacon defense, so far (easier to hide from incoming)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2021 16:59:58 GMT -5
A word on the new weapons: they pair well with higher-level weapons. Example: 2.6 Scourges in pair are less hard hitting than 2.6 Scourge + 1.7 Skadi. Example: 1.11 Calamity+1.11 Viper is less efficient, less effective than 1.1 Calamity+1.7 Hel. 1.5 Snaer hits harder than 1.9 Quarker. The new frost gear results in more damage faster. My max kill # was 11 for like 3 years; since the new weapons, it’s gone up to 14. Sorry to ramble, but we’re still early days in scraping out the meat of this event/update, so…hopefully some of it will be found useful This. I'm lucky enough to have two max Scourges (which I built at the start of the Shock train Spectre era, who's laughing now ya cheese mongers) and Scourge/Hel Fenrir with a couple of t3 freezer chips means, even with Hel only at 1.6, reds have more rime than the Ancient Mariner. I still like my sparks. Light weapons are the only class left at Mk2 4-8 not 12. same, mine are from eons ago and I hyper maxed it right before the insane price increase. 64M to 180M ouch for newbs. Took me 1 week to do 3 Scourges. I replaced 1 spark on Tyr with Mk1 9 Snaer. Guess which weapon was the first to blow off. i mostly fight at 50-100 m with my taser Tyr + 1 snaer. I think taser does more damage up close. But new Thor lightning weapons are good to counter those disappearing rochi to avoid lock on time. I have pilot skill to reduce lock time tier 3, still soo slow.
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Post by TerrorStorm on Jul 20, 2021 6:37:30 GMT -5
What exactly is the chip or socket that gives these things the endless purple shield? Every time I fly near one it is an envelope of purple.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jul 29, 2021 3:59:42 GMT -5
Koko BopIn an earlier response, you said "As for Faf being able to ‘easily avoid’ flames and rockets in the air: not against anyone who’s GOOD with those." This is a false statement, sorry. If it is true, please show all of us who've been using flames really well for a long time what your secret is in a video showing you cooking a speeding Fafnir whose swirling all over the dang place. Please do tell, cuz we'd like to actually hit it. No lockdown ammo allowed. Thx
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 17:22:00 GMT -5
He is fighting low level fafnirs. Clue is he say faf is slow bot.
In champ, whale is very fast. I show speed is double. So faf is 120 mph in champ vs 40-50 in expert league. Big difference.
My boss is use 3 flame builds in champ. For 2+ years so his aim is a lot better gooder.
I sucks with orkans. Use 1/2 flame build to counter Shell only, nothing else. All my flames will waste.
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Post by Koko Bop on Jul 30, 2021 2:54:23 GMT -5
Koko BopIn an earlier response, you said "As for Faf being able to ‘easily avoid’ flames and rockets in the air: not against anyone who’s GOOD with those." This is a false statement, sorry. If it is true, please show all of us who've been using flames really well for a long time what your secret is in a video showing you cooking a speeding Fafnir whose swirling all over the dang place. Please do tell, cuz we'd like to actually hit it. No lockdown ammo allowed. Thx I posted in ignorance. The bot was fresh off the line, I was brand new to it…I honestly expected it to underperform, based on how (I thought) it handled at that stage. As for the “rockets and missiles”, I wasn’t referring to my peerless skill in any way…I was doing pretty badly against those very weapons…and was considering those reds blowing me out of the air to be the ones “who’s GOOD at it”. They still blast me out of the sky often enough; especially if I lose sight of a Typhon (Typhoon?). I like taking Fafnir up early to clear those guys away, YT dowon the eventual Titan flood (eventually. Absolutely NO shade intended by me toward any players…only my early, and inaccurate impressions of a brand-new bot. My opinion has changed, BTW: Faf is currently my favorite bot. L10. All Scourges. Johanna is about to get promoted again. Ogre, dude, if I truly offended you or anyone, please accept my apologies. I have nothing but respect for my fellow pilots - especially those I hang out with here. I’m not some mighty ace…and I have no sense of myself as a ‘good’ pilot. I try hard, and I work hard; I improve. Mostly, I enjoy it. Hope I didn’t put a crimp in your enjoyment - or anyone else’s.
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Post by Koko Bop on Jul 30, 2021 3:01:58 GMT -5
He is fighting low level fafnirs. Clue is he say faf is slow bot. In champ, whale is very fast. I show speed is double. So faf is 120 mph in champ vs 40-50 in expert league. Big difference. My boss is use 3 flame builds in champ. For 2+ years so his aim is a lot better gooder. I sucks with orkans. Use 1/2 flame build to counter Shell only, nothing else. All my flames will waste. At the time I made that post, I hadn’t *SEEN* any Fafnir to shoot at. I was speaking directly and specifically about how I thought the one I was in handled; maybe you picked up the wrong clue? @l10, his airspeed is on a completely different level from what my early rides (and remarks) suggested. My current impression is that Fafnir is (now) roughly TWICE as fast in the air as it is in the ground - and highly maneuverable. Still a bit fragile, that may not change…or I might be wrong again. Guess I’ll find out.
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