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Post by Browncoats4ever on May 27, 2021 20:31:41 GMT -5
Imagine if you will, a place where canceled shows are reborn. Reborn, but not as they were, but as they might have been. Maybe a parallel universe, where ordinary laws of time and space do not apply, a place where real world and animation collide. You have entered the Futurefly Zone. What if Firefly were rebooted with Futurama characters playing the roles of our favorite crew? Who would you choose? Bonus points for additional characters (ie. Badger, Saffron, Nandi, Niska etc.). I don’t want to unduly influence your creativity, so I’ll refrain from adding my choices at the moment. *Okay, let's say it's a reboot that takes place before the untimely demise of two of our beloved characters...a way to flesh out and explore stories we were never told and possibly backstories we were never given...the assassin hasn't caught up with Serenity and Miranda is still a mystery. It's not a continuation, but a retelling.*
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Post by onasander on May 27, 2021 23:26:08 GMT -5
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Post by Browncoats4ever on May 28, 2021 0:00:18 GMT -5
Are we including the pilot who was killed in Serenity, or does he stay dead? In Firefly, Hoban “Wash” Washburne lives on...so, yes. ...Shepherd Book as well.
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Post by Koalabear on May 28, 2021 7:24:39 GMT -5
I'd love to participate, but I've never watched Futurama...
Sigh...Firefly....such an amazing show...killed before it's time.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on May 28, 2021 9:10:22 GMT -5
I'd love to participate, but I've never watched Futurama... *SPEW!*
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Post by onasander on May 28, 2021 14:03:54 GMT -5
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on May 28, 2021 14:18:50 GMT -5
It be like the US copying the transportation device from Kin Dza Dza! That's a hard core SF film reference. My Ukrainian friend turned me onto this movie years ago. Where are you from?
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Post by onasander on May 28, 2021 16:58:21 GMT -5
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Post by Browncoats4ever on May 28, 2021 18:30:26 GMT -5
*Okay, let's say it's a reboot that takes place before the untimely demise of two of our beloved characters...a way to flesh out and explore stories we were never told and possibly backstories we were never given...the assassin hasn't caught up with Serenity and Miranda is still a mystery. It's not a continuation, but a retelling.*
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Post by onasander on May 28, 2021 20:43:50 GMT -5
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Post by Browncoats4ever on May 28, 2021 23:16:07 GMT -5
onasander Well, that's one take. Thanks for the snarky response. Just a few things though. It's possible that the sales and update of navigation devices could be controlled by the alliance, therefore anyone wanting to safely travel to the far reaches of space have to get their information from those who want to hide mistakes like Miranda. Remember History is written by the victors, and the alliance controls education and has a monopoly of resources to fund any project for exploration. It's highly unlikely that anyone would just stumble upon Miranda because exploring space requires destination points-if traveling through wormholes or at light speed-and way stations for re-supply. You don't want to travel to an unexplored corner of the universe and run out of fuel or food. Eventually, it may be discovered but it could take hundreds of years due to the vastness of space. Mal says society is pushing out further and further, but these are short-distanced journeys for safety reasons because of the reasons stated above. Even if the Alliance doesn't have a monopoly on scientist and someone were able to detect Miranda, given they knew where to look and the manpower to pursue such a venture, would they have enough excess resources and technology to risk exploration of an unknown system or would they be just trying to get by as the Alliance had taken control of resources and only offered assistance to those who had accepted their dominion and left the defeated rebels on the verge of starvation. Reavers ventured out from Miranda and other systems like it, but they're not going to tell where they've ventured out from and there would be no one living to pass on the information. Even Reavers send out short-distance raiding parties and they occasionally come in contact with travelers, but even if it was known where they were coming from, no one would willingly want to explore their base or even come in contact with them. The Alliance tolerates them because they usually only cut down the rebel population, because they're the ones living on the rim and it's a good fear tactic to influence converts and discourage disobedience. Simon and River debate the existence of Reavers when they were children and the stories are used to keep kids in line because to most, they are nothing but stories and living near the Core, you never encounter Reavers. If the Alliance were willing to destroy the Reavers, it would be a huge waste of men and resources when the only ones at risk are rebels. Once systems like Miranda had failed, the Alliance wiped any evidence of them off navigation charts and when Reavers were encountered the myth of their emergence was created by the propaganda machine attributing their creation to reaching the known edge of the universe and just losing their minds. But that's just my theory. Although your story is imaginative and detailed, I don't see it reaching the current fans of Firefly or Futurama due to the tone of the Macaroon Caper which might play better to fans of Spongebob Squarepants and Blues Clues.
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Post by onasander on May 29, 2021 2:17:07 GMT -5
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Post by Joopiter on May 29, 2021 3:40:16 GMT -5
Let me put it this way- I know that Blade Runner 2049 isnât merely the sequel to the original Blade Runner, but I also know it is the remake of Rain Man. I 「dookie」 you not- go watch Rain Man and then watch 2049 immediately after- it will make you feel sick to your stomach, half the damn movie is lifted from it.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on May 29, 2021 11:22:23 GMT -5
Let me put it this way- I know that Blade Runner 2049 isnât merely the sequel to the original Blade Runner, but I also know it is the remake of Rain Man. I 「dookie」 you not- go watch Rain Man and then watch 2049 immediately after- it will make you feel sick to your stomach, half the damn movie is lifted from it. I 2nd that wait, what motion. It must be a SciFi Rain Man that I haven’t heard of. So... Tom Cruise is Deckard? And Dave Bautista? Head hurts...
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Post by onasander on May 29, 2021 16:45:59 GMT -5
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Post by Browncoats4ever on May 29, 2021 19:30:19 GMT -5
Don’t knock Blues Clues. Even if the alliance held a monopoly on information updates, the Reavers are either out of the loop or cunningly found a way around that, and always find where they are going. However they are under continuous attrition, and even on the series they’ve had one way trips. Undoubtedly plenty of Reaver scrap laying about. And Firefly doesn’t take place in the expanse of a universe but a solar system. A very unrealistic one. Hence my note of Battlestar Galactica’s 12 Colonies- and that takes from the Mormon Kalob, which took from Swedenborg. It is a couple hundred years of bad astronomical data used as the backdrop for storytelling. firefly.fandom.com/wiki/The_VerseThey tried to fix it by saying it is a massive star with four stars orbiting it, and each star has planets and asteroid belts. And given the importance of faster than light communications, gravity wells, and historical memory, people should of remembered Miranda or question why Reavers always came statistically from one location more than others, why radio transmissions happen out there. It was also in the Goldie Locks Zone of this star system- and nobody notices. Solar system is creeping with malcontents, rebel gear just laying around, crashed ships from the war with computers by default all over, and plenty of relatives of people who settled in Miranda left behind- and everyone forgot and doesn’t notice- in a era of very common space travel? Malcolm should of been out running weapons left from brown coat caches, harvesting asteroids, growing food in glass pressurized habitats in space (they obviously found a way to counter solar radiation for ships with big windows, so can do it for powerless floating green houses left in warm orbits (1 AU) from the star. A broken ship can provide that and scrub the atmosphere for plants. If vegetables are that expensive floating greenhouses sound mighty more profitable than anything they did. More wrecks salvaged equals more parts for floating farms meaning more food or profits. I admit, I haven't read any of the books or even the wiki. You're right, it kind of hamstrings the story. Sometimes too much knowledge is a bad thing. I think I'll just remain blissfully ignorant on the technical aspect of Firefly
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Post by onasander on May 29, 2021 22:03:24 GMT -5
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Post by Browncoats4ever on May 29, 2021 23:49:00 GMT -5
I admit, I haven't read any of the books or even the wiki. You're right, it kind of hamstrings the story. Sometimes too much knowledge is a bad thing. I think I'll just remain blissfully ignorant on the technical aspect of Firefly I take the opposite perspective, example: I know that the movie Inception was inspired by Hypnerotomachia Poliphili, it is a work from the Renaissance and set the rules for modern books on how to print images with text. Carl Jung used the images as a example of his archetypal theory- but that work is also based off Empedocles concept of Love and Strife (the book’s title means Love and Strife in a Dream”. It was the hardest book to read till a few years ago when someone finally managed to translate all of it into English, and the images are often sold separately in another volumn, but most people when they see the images they feel eerily familiar. I’ve also had a discussion with a Indian I know about the interrelation of Empedocles to the Ajivikas. But knowing Jung (a psychologist) was the most plausible link that caused the writers of Inception to look into the Hypnerotomachia also leads to another interesting connection with Jung and Sci-Fi on a tangent, how Frank Herbert’s Dune Novels are supposed to end. Jung’s final released book, “The Red Book” had a image in it: (Click here, image won’t show) stottilien.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/systema-mundi-totius.jpgA lot of the main characters in the Dune Novel stretched over several thousands of years appear on that mandala- and I’ve seen a copy in San Francisco that predates the release of the Red Book. You can see the mouse/Paul, Leto the Sand worm at the bottom with plant life, Duncan Idaho is the extreme top as a ghola (that’s a long explanation but if you know anything about Orphic Cosmoc Egg or Vedic Cosmic Egg concepts isn’t hard to grasp what Duncan represents beyond Leto II) but is also associated with the Menorah- these play off one another as continuous opposing opposites. Leto the Sandworm ushed in his contradictions- a lush Arrakis (he was deathly allergic to water being a desert creature) but the individual he had to create beyond himself and his understanding was Duncan. When Frank died the final novel was unfinished and many think he wasn’t supposed to have Jews in it, and I point out this mandala saying infact yes, he was intending to put them in, just the interrelations of Duncan to the Jews wasn’t sufficiently grasped by the writers who didn’t grasp Duncan had a interrelation to them as dependent and contradictory as Leto to a lush Arrakis. The four elements (spacing guild and Bene Jesuit) are also listed but don’t want to stay up all night talking about it. Basically when you can dive in real deep into a book you can appreciate the philosophical depth more that the writer was taking from and use that to look at other great writers. I must say though…. Firefly isn’t exactly on the level of Inception or Dune in terms of quality of depth or resources it drew upon. I’ve never stayed up pondering the nature of life and the universe after watching anything Joss Whedon put out. Like- I know Blade Runner 2049 is a repackaging of Rain Man- but I still like the scenes, acting moments and especially the sound track. It is more a discussion on the nature of cinematic storytelling- can stories cross genres and would most people be able to tell? Can the morale of the story survive? Does it mutate? Does it somehow still resonate? When I watch Firefly I’m mostly just watching Summer Glau. She is worth it, but the depth of insight one can get from say Asimov, it ain’t in Whedon. Good sci-fi goes out of the way to anchor itself to deep perennial questions and myths. Oh, that Jungian mandala depicts a Axis Mundi- the galaxy in Kin Dza Dza! is likewise depicted as such- dead universe used up by materialists on one side, good wholesome Soviet Earth that is proletariat and respectful of natural resources (not in real life- Soviets destroyed the Aral Sea and broke a nuclear power plant) on the other. The movie likes to quote Nietzsche. Clear that Nietzsche and Jung, and of course Marx was a inspiration for that story of Soviet Marxists exploring alien Capitalist societies far, far away. I don't watch movies or TV shows for societal or philosophical commentary. I use them as pure entertainment. If I want philosophical insight, I'll read a book. You can't really compare the depth of thought put into visual media as opposed to the written form. A lot of the original message is often lost or changed in order to appeal to a larger audience once a book is adapted to screen. That said, I'm not much of a student of philosophy or human psychology so much of what you described went over my head. I've come to realize a lot of media is created to support different political or philosophical views, but as long as I don't unquestionably accept those views, I'll be alright.
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Post by onasander on Jun 2, 2021 22:57:38 GMT -5
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Jun 2, 2021 23:32:05 GMT -5
Okaaaay.....
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jun 3, 2021 8:58:10 GMT -5
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jun 3, 2021 9:02:52 GMT -5
Imagine if you will, a place where canceled shows are reborn. Reborn, but not as they were, but as they might have been. Maybe a parallel universe, where ... I'm right with you:
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Post by onasander on Jun 6, 2021 22:23:58 GMT -5
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Post by onasander on Jun 7, 2021 2:42:04 GMT -5
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Jun 7, 2021 6:37:28 GMT -5
onasander . That’s quite a read. We really lean away from politics on this forum. Can you please leave out the politics or or i’ll need to lock this thread, thanks.
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Post by onasander on Jun 7, 2021 11:13:53 GMT -5
onasander . That’s quite a read. We really lean away from politics on this forum. Can you please leave out the politics or or i’ll need to lock this thread, thanks. Wasn’t able to determine what was political as it was all referencing the historical defunct states like the USSR or Jung’s theory which delves into the psychology of state politics, so playing on the safe side and deleted it all. I’ll also stay out of any War Robots faction lore discussion if they pop up (nothing exists here on this site) as it seems Pixonic used the Kyklos Cycle in modeling the future warning factions, and that’s default political, far more so than anything I’ve mentioned so far. I would also recommend not mentioning political factions in Firefly if the conversation carries forward, as it is modeled off the US and China politics circa the 2000s.
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