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Post by diabolique on Mar 31, 2017 2:17:38 GMT -5
Something needs to change.....My teams have been getting killed fast. 3 minutes and we are done. Seems we are overpowered by huge margins. Took 1 week to climb a level and 4 hours to lose it all. Am I the only one ?
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Post by wildboar on Mar 31, 2017 2:21:08 GMT -5
Nope ...
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Post by [apotheosis] on Mar 31, 2017 6:16:19 GMT -5
same boat. Really want to join the reds at this point.
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Post by ✧✦Ŋɫתʃɑ✦✧ on Mar 31, 2017 6:18:02 GMT -5
I'm playing for 8 hours straight since I'm trying to get to Expert III before season ends. started playing with 3080 league points and now I'm with 3033...
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Post by cypho on Mar 31, 2017 6:42:13 GMT -5
In the last week I've been through 2 cycles that have seen my win rate peak at 64% and trough at 36%. On one day I had to play 31 matches to complete the 8 wins daily task - that's a 26% win rate! The following day I barely lost and I was back to mid 50's.
MM smackdowns are truly horrible, so try to focus on the knowledge that a big upside is round the corner. Just don't think too much about the corner after that...
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Post by The VVatcher on Mar 31, 2017 6:51:17 GMT -5
The downward spirals are unstoppable
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Post by miscanthus on Mar 31, 2017 7:46:52 GMT -5
Sorry for your bad luck, I had something similar happened to me a couple weeks ago. I went from 70% to 38% in a matter of hours. It was really depressing.
Now if I ever start a bad losing streak, I take a break from the game and come back a few hours later. It seems to work and keeps me from getting frustrated. Since adopting this playstyle, I typically hover around a 60% win rate.
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 31, 2017 7:54:24 GMT -5
Sorry for your bad luck, I had something similar happened to me a couple weeks ago. I went from 70% to 38% in a matter of hours. It was really depressing. Now if I ever start a bad losing streak, I take a break from the game and come back a few hours later. It seems to work and keeps me from getting frustrated. Since adopting this playstyle, I typically hover around a 60% win rate. This is the best advice. Also, just about everyone is trying to move up before the season ends, but some will stay at their current level and some will drop. Particularly with a bunch of Tankers moving back up. |
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Post by hurtbot on Mar 31, 2017 14:06:54 GMT -5
This game seems to get more 「whiskey tango foxtrot」 by the day.
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Mar 31, 2017 14:16:13 GMT -5
Sounds like a power-hour situation all over again with everyone jockeying for position before the new season.
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Post by SlowReflexes on Mar 31, 2017 16:57:08 GMT -5
I've been playing around with a new hangar that's set up exactly for DC and PP. I've been playing mostly DC and PP, and absolutely kicking ?bum-bum?.
Avg kills up from 2+ to 4+, and dmg from 350k to 500k.... And my win % has been stuck around 42.
I get all the tankers, all the 4 slot hangars. It's not just me getting screwed, all my non-tanker teammates are getting boned too. I'm doing my best, consistently first to third in dmg, first or second (or tied for one of those) in beacons.
And I cannot win.
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Post by ou812gr8m8 on Mar 31, 2017 17:13:43 GMT -5
It's odd.
It's like the match-making algo is coded to overshoot...
... when you rise, it goes too far, so you eventually get hammered, which goes too far, so you rise... etc... rinse and repeat...
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Post by lilryry on Mar 31, 2017 17:41:20 GMT -5
Sadly this is the new normal, hopefully they get this under control at some point
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Post by amidf on Mar 31, 2017 18:07:45 GMT -5
This does sound like it is too anomalous to be explained by chance (and someone smart could calculate the p value). I like the suggestion that it could be an end of league period phenomenon, although I am not sure what the advantage is to pushing up now rather than in the new period.
I guess people who are super concerned about league position should stay away from the last day of the month. On the other hand, playing as much as you can on the last day might be the most ethical form of tanking yet!
-Amid
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Post by ipwng0dz on Mar 31, 2017 18:39:19 GMT -5
Same here.. my winrate has gotten disastrous in the last week down to exactly 50% and has barely budged upwards in terms of league points.
I tried to throw in 2 different bots than my usual lineup to see if it had any affect but no luck.
It seems that no matter how well I do my teammates mech out before we can do anything or I get paired with kids who do not get beacons while the other team is filled with higher damage beacon cappers.
In many ways it feels like the system is deliberately placing me with sub-par teammates.
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Post by amidf on Mar 31, 2017 18:43:02 GMT -5
Same here.. my winrate has gotten disastrous in the last week down to exactly 50% and has barely budged upwards in terms of league points. I tried to throw in 2 different bots than my usual lineup to see if it had any affect but no luck. It seems that no matter how well I do my teammates mech out before we can do anything or I get paired with kids who do not get beacons while the other team is filled with higher damage beacon cappers. In many ways it feels like the system is deliberately placing me with sub-par teammates. That theory has been floated but needs hard evidence. -Amid |
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Post by ipwng0dz on Mar 31, 2017 18:56:00 GMT -5
Same here.. my winrate has gotten disastrous in the last week down to exactly 50% and has barely budged upwards in terms of league points. I tried to throw in 2 different bots than my usual lineup to see if it had any affect but no luck. It seems that no matter how well I do my teammates mech out before we can do anything or I get paired with kids who do not get beacons while the other team is filled with higher damage beacon cappers. In many ways it feels like the system is deliberately placing me with sub-par teammates. That theory has been floated but needs hard evidence. -Amid My opinions are hard evidence sir. Literally, my opinions are somewhat equivalent to whichever bible you prefer and the whispers of an angel. I'm lIke the most interesting man alive.. I don't always share my opinions but when I do they're immediately enscribed into encyclopedias. |
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Post by amidf on Mar 31, 2017 19:04:45 GMT -5
I like the suggestion that it could be an end of league period phenomenon, although I am not sure what the advantage is to pushing up now rather than in the new period. League period just ended, and I got 120 gold for still being in diamond 2. I assume if I had been diamond 3 I would get a lower payout. But what happens in new period? Do you get paid to place? We shall see. -Amid |
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Post by amidf on Mar 31, 2017 20:53:21 GMT -5
I like the suggestion that it could be an end of league period phenomenon, although I am not sure what the advantage is to pushing up now rather than in the new period. League period just ended, and I got 120 gold for still being in diamond 2. I assume if I had been diamond 3 I would get a lower payout. But what happens in new period? Do you get paid to place? We shall see. -Amid ...And then I placed after 5 matches into diamond 2 and got no additional rewards. So mid diamond league is worth 4 gold per day. That's pretty good if you play once a month, but it's a drop in the bucket for people getting 60 a day from tasks. And it equals less than one MoC or MoV. Definitely they should move more of the incentive pool into league placement and less into matches. -Amid |
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Mar 31, 2017 23:36:40 GMT -5
There's no way around it dude. I haven't experienced quite to that extreme but that's how it's supposed to be set up!!!
At a certain point the bots and weapons at your disposal can only do so much, regardless of your skill level.
Once I got to Gold League 3, I only climbed to Gold 2 and then hovered up and down, almost advancing, then almost losing it.
It is set up that way on purpose.
Think of the league's as Tier's that are related to what you run in your hangar but not as directly affected as the Tier system. It can seem discouraging but once you can't gain another League, just accept the fact that you need better equipment because no matter your skills, the equipment just cannot stand up to it at the level you're at.
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Post by amidf on Mar 31, 2017 23:44:23 GMT -5
There's no way around it dude. I haven't experienced quite to that extreme but that's how it's supposed to be set up!!! At a certain point the bots and weapons at your disposal can only do so much, regardless of your skill level. Once I got to Gold League 3, I only climbed to Gold 2 and then hovered up and down, almost advancing, then almost losing it. It is set up that way on purpose. Think of the league's as Tier's that are related to what you run in your hangar but not as directly affected as the Tier system. It can seem discouraging but once you can't gain another League, just accept the fact that you need better equipment because no matter your skills, the equipment just cannot stand up to it at the level you're at. Yeah, but I thought the tiers were just hard barriers for the payouts. I thought placement was based on league points, not tiers, so if you were in the bottom of a league matchmaking would be lower than if you were at the top. In that scheme maybe every 100 points would be a threshold. -Amid |
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Apr 1, 2017 1:12:57 GMT -5
There's no way around it dude. I haven't experienced quite to that extreme but that's how it's supposed to be set up!!! At a certain point the bots and weapons at your disposal can only do so much, regardless of your skill level. Once I got to Gold League 3, I only climbed to Gold 2 and then hovered up and down, almost advancing, then almost losing it. It is set up that way on purpose. Think of the league's as Tier's that are related to what you run in your hangar but not as directly affected as the Tier system. It can seem discouraging but once you can't gain another League, just accept the fact that you need better equipment because no matter your skills, the equipment just cannot stand up to it at the level you're at. Yeah, but I thought the tiers were just hard barriers for the payouts. I thought placement was based on league points, not tiers, so if you were in the bottom of a league matchmaking would be lower than if you were at the top. In that scheme maybe every 100 points would be a threshold. -Amid I'm confused.. not exactly sure what you're talking about lol But my comment was more so stating that the current situation of ups and downs is the natural balance of the system and how it is supposed to work. I was only referring to mentions of unfairness and saying that it's actually natural and balanced how it works and is completely functioning the way it's supposed to. The issue is you get periods of two extremes between the balances. Some matches tip the scales way in your favor, you rebound back, having many great matches and then they tip the odds against you. It seesaws back and forth but I feel that the majority of matches are decently even. I put no thought into the payouts or anything like that as I just play the effin game, pat myself on the back here and there, and use my gold when it's available. I'm in no hurry to get to max level as then I have nothing to work towards. |
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Post by [AuNv][AurS]GrainReaper on Apr 1, 2017 6:31:31 GMT -5
My first post here after lurking for quite a while, I am a casual player and am not very leveled up, I'm in bronze 1 after a serious beat down in my 5 game placement, lost all 5 matches, mostly due to mech out, this streak continued for another12 battles before getting a win, then lost another 4, granted my bots aren't the best but damn! Last game was me alone towards the end, beginning had me pinned down with blue team light bots underfoot as they scrambled to run away from the oncoming red team, I was literally unable to move because of the tangle, I lost 60% of my hp and half of my jumbled lightweight teammates before I could break free and do anything, it was like getting tripped up by a couple of cats on a flight of stairs. After work today I'm going to see how things go, maybe they will have settled down after the sorting last night.
***I need to post up my hangar in a thread and maybe get advice to stop the loss spiral. I can't upgrade because no gold, silver is going out the window making WSP to get into some better weapons.
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Post by amidf on Apr 1, 2017 7:36:03 GMT -5
My first post here after lurking for quite a while, I am a casual player and am not very leveled up, I'm in bronze 1 after a serious beat down in my 5 game placement, lost all 5 matches, mostly due to mech out, this streak continued for another12 battles before getting a win, then lost another 4, granted my bots aren't the best but damn! Last game was me alone towards the end, beginning had me pinned down with blue team light bots underfoot as they scrambled to run away from the oncoming red team, I was literally unable to move because of the tangle, I lost 60% of my hp and half of my jumbled lightweight teammates before I could break free and do anything, it was like getting tripped up by a couple of cats on a flight of stairs. After work today I'm going to see how things go, maybe they will have settled down after the sorting last night. ***I need to post up my hangar in a thread and maybe get advice to stop the loss spiral. I can't upgrade because no gold, silver is going out the window making WSP to get into some better weapons. You may be a victim of high level players who have "tanked" their placement just to get matches where they can dominate and feel good about their otherwise pathetic lives. This is especially a problem in bronze league. Pixonic is supposed to be doing something about this predictable consequence of their new system, but they are being quite slow about it. -Amid |
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Post by osang on Apr 1, 2017 8:02:20 GMT -5
To solve this...Pixonic, bring back the old matchmaking! Tiers are more fun to play than this league system where tanking is horrendous.
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Post by [AuNv][AurS]GrainReaper on Apr 1, 2017 9:07:26 GMT -5
. [/quote]You may be a victim of high level players who have "tanked" their placement just to get matches where they can dominate and feel good about their otherwise pathetic lives. This is especially a problem in bronze league. Pixonic is supposed to be doing something about this predictable consequence of their new system, but they are being quite slow about it.
-Amid[/quote]
I did notice a good number of leveled up mech I was going against, and weapons I've rarely seen in other matches to this point. It puzzles me that I'm going against 5 slot 10/10+ hangars when I've barely just unlocked my 4th slot no wonder I can't win
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Post by VivaLaResistance on Apr 1, 2017 10:12:43 GMT -5
Sooo... they ruin the game for everyone who rightfully places in Bronze while they end up fighting all their like minded friends anyways!
hahah
In all honesty though...I don't think tanking placement works. One guy tested it and still landed in diamond league after losing every battle doing little damage in light bots.
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Post by odin63 on Apr 1, 2017 14:15:47 GMT -5
League period just ended, and I got 120 gold for still being in diamond 2. I assume if I had been diamond 3 I would get a lower payout. But what happens in new period? Do you get paid to place? We shall see. -Amid ...And then I placed after 5 matches into diamond 2 and got no additional rewards. So mid diamond league is worth 4 gold per day. That's pretty good if you play once a month, but it's a drop in the bucket for people getting 60 a day from tasks. And it equals less than one MoC or MoV. Definitely they should move more of the incentive pool into league placement and less into matches. -Amid I don't really see what difference it makes as to what league you end up in. Even though I've pretty much stayed diamond 1 the entire time, I'm running with experts, masters, and champion league pilots almost every single match. When I filed a bug report, Pix told me that if I'd just take statistics on my matches, I'd see this is only an occasional issue. Sorry for the inconvenience. I would have to be certifiably delusional to not notice the difference between the "occasional" unbalanced match, and the nearly extinct fair one . Thank you Pixonic. Now that my freakishly inaccurate perception of reality has been restored to normal due to your spot on advice, I can now enjoy all of those regular balanced league matches! Unbelievable. |
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Post by odin63 on Apr 1, 2017 14:24:42 GMT -5
My first post here after lurking for quite a while, I am a casual player and am not very leveled up, I'm in bronze 1 after a serious beat down in my 5 game placement, lost all 5 matches, mostly due to mech out, this streak continued for another12 battles before getting a win, then lost another 4, granted my bots aren't the best but damn! Last game was me alone towards the end, beginning had me pinned down with blue team light bots underfoot as they scrambled to run away from the oncoming red team, I was literally unable to move because of the tangle, I lost 60% of my hp and half of my jumbled lightweight teammates before I could break free and do anything, it was like getting tripped up by a couple of cats on a flight of stairs. After work today I'm going to see how things go, maybe they will have settled down after the sorting last night. ***I need to post up my hangar in a thread and maybe get advice to stop the loss spiral. I can't upgrade because no gold, silver is going out the window making WSP to get into some better weapons. You may be a victim of high level players who have "tanked" their placement just to get matches where they can dominate and feel good about their otherwise pathetic lives. This is especially a problem in bronze league. Pixonic is supposed to be doing something about this predictable consequence of their new system, but they are being quite slow about it. -Amid Although this has been an issue, I don't think that Pix is even trying to match up players according to their league and level. Very few players in my actual league end up in most of my games, and I'm usually at the bottom of the stack. |
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Post by SlowReflexes on Apr 1, 2017 15:24:48 GMT -5
My first post here after lurking for quite a while, I am a casual player and am not very leveled up, I'm in bronze 1 after a serious beat down in my 5 game placement, lost all 5 matches, mostly due to mech out, this streak continued for another12 battles before getting a win, then lost another 4, granted my bots aren't the best but damn! Last game was me alone towards the end, beginning had me pinned down with blue team light bots underfoot as they scrambled to run away from the oncoming red team, I was literally unable to move because of the tangle, I lost 60% of my hp and half of my jumbled lightweight teammates before I could break free and do anything, it was like getting tripped up by a couple of cats on a flight of stairs. After work today I'm going to see how things go, maybe they will have settled down after the sorting last night. ***I need to post up my hangar in a thread and maybe get advice to stop the loss spiral. I can't upgrade because no gold, silver is going out the window making WSP to get into some better weapons. You may be a victim of high level players who have "tanked" their placement just to get matches where they can dominate and feel good about their otherwise pathetic lives. This is especially a problem in bronze league. Pixonic is supposed to be doing something about this predictable consequence of their new system, but they are being quite slow about it. -Amid Nah, tanking is tanking. The 'placement' matches are just regular league play. The server already knows what your league score is and where you're going, even if it doesn't show you (yet). At most think of it like one of the trials when you change leagues. However, the MM still/always plays its little games to make sure your win % doesn't get too far from 50. If it gets too high, you'll face people in higher leagues than you every time, for starters. Other tricks it can pull to help you lose, too. Me, I just had a 4 match winning streak. Haven't had one that long in a while. During that streak we had NO BLUE TANKERS. It was stunning. Red had tankers only 1 of the 4 matches, but that time they had 2 tankers in that one match so they were really screwed. Funny what a difference not getting screwed by tankers can make. |
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