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Post by Ðrako†Ðestruktor on Mar 30, 2017 17:31:46 GMT -5
I thought that the whole purpose behind "Leagues" was to match people with and against players in the same league. That doesn't appear to be the case. Can someone enlighten me as to what Leagues are for and how this is supposed to work?
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 30, 2017 17:37:58 GMT -5
That is theoretically what leagues are for - matching comparable players together. You may have been pulled in at the last minute when someone cancelled. Or when player count is low during parts of the day the MM rubber bands (stretches) to find players to put into matches. Are all your matches this way? Or is this just an exception? I'm assuming more of an exception...although the exceptions are usually painful. Even in the old MM you would get pulled into some odd matches when player count was low.
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Post by Ðrako†Ðestruktor on Mar 31, 2017 7:07:08 GMT -5
I would call it "normal," even if not "the norm." I often get into matches with very mismatched teams: sometimes in number (4 v. 6), sometimes in league/bot level (as above), and sometimes in the ability to just find beacons (sigh).
But more to the point, this is not just an exception: although it is the first time I bothered to take screenshots and post it here. I have noticed the mismatch of my hangar vs. other hangars (I don't own any Furys or Lancelots, and nothing I have is level 12 as of yet, although I see both all the time in other players) and the mismatch of my league-level vs. others' league-levels on a regular basis. I frankly can rarely think of a game in which I didn't see a mismatch in the "mis-matchmaking" somewhere.
Perhaps we should start calling it "MMM?"
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Post by Paps on Mar 31, 2017 7:27:57 GMT -5
Ðrako†ÐestruktorYou need to trademark 'Mis-MatchMaker' before someone else does. I think it's a winner! The phrase. Not the system itself...heheh. The system itself is a loser. Could probably suck a golfball through a garden hose. Edit: To actually answer the question... Nothing. The Leagues are good for nothing. Shiny overlay on Pixonic's fubar MMM. Abracadabra folks. Ya didn't see nothin!
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Post by cypho on Mar 31, 2017 7:35:05 GMT -5
This is an easy one to answer.
The leagues are for making Pix money. This is done by mismatching players and making it visually simple for them to identify what they must now do to emulate those superior players. Thus, 50% of the time you get the stick and are 'encouraged' to max your hangar asap and the other 50% of the time you get the carrot to reward your efforts.
Gradually tiering the leagues gives additional reward and motivation by keeping your next target attainable and all the while the cycle can repeat until you reach the top, at which point you won't need to spend anymore, so Pix won't need you anymore - except to occasionally beat down the inferior opposition you are MM'd with, thus encouraging the progression of the next generation.
Hope that helps!
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Post by Ðrako†Ðestruktor on Mar 31, 2017 7:42:43 GMT -5
OK. "MMM(TM)" I noticed in a different thread discussion of win-rates: mine hovers at 50% no matter what I do, so now I just concentrate on finishing my dailies and let the chips fall from there where they lie. It's sad, but I think MMM may be destroying a game I once loved (and used to pay Premium for, I don't anymore due to the new MMM). I can't even begin to fathom WHY they moved away from hangar-level as being the determinant for matchmaking: fix how you rate the hangars (a Mag Gep is NOT equal to a Punisher Destrier, duh!) instead of making sure everyone loses half of their matches regardless of what they do! The new MM has made so many weapons and bots irrelevant and changed player-behavior to "damage only" that it will be interesting to see if the games survives. Sort of like Blizzard did with WoW ... sad to see.
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Post by Ðrako†Ðestruktor on Mar 31, 2017 7:44:33 GMT -5
Cypho: probably the most concise and accurate encapsulation of corporate behavior I've heard anywhere! LOL!
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Post by K A Z on Mar 31, 2017 7:55:33 GMT -5
cypho I have to unfortunately concur here...the money run pix is doing lately (most of 2017) is rather obscure, with "league" being just another sad joke like the current mm. Ðrako†Ðestruktor In short - leagues mean really nothing and do not serve the purpose they were announced to serve. You'll just get any and every opponent the new mm (read: "crap-maker") decides to poop into your or red team. There are many theories around the block here on what is being done and why. Lack of detail and coherence on pixo side is a crystal clear indication that they have no clue what they are doing from technical point of view. Their recent actions fit nicely under the known phrase: " If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough." That is for the "what" part, the "why" part was answered above by cypho. Sad but true.
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Post by blastronaut on Mar 31, 2017 8:01:31 GMT -5
cypho I was about to write the exact same thing, but you explained it better than I could. Bravo!
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Post by boomsplat on Mar 31, 2017 8:43:47 GMT -5
I would call it "normal," even if not "the norm." I often get into matches with very mismatched teams: sometimes in number (4 v. 6), sometimes in league/bot level (as above), and sometimes in the ability to just find beacons (sigh). But more to the point, this is not just an exception: although it is the first time I bothered to take screenshots and post it here. I have noticed the mismatch of my hangar vs. other hangars (I don't own any Furys or Lancelots, and nothing I have is level 12 as of yet, although I see both all the time in other players) and the mismatch of my league-level vs. others' league-levels on a regular basis. I frankly can rarely think of a game in which I didn't see a mismatch in the "mis-matchmaking" somewhere. Perhaps we should start calling it "MMM?" Man, if that is the norm for you, then MMM (TM) it is for you. i have some lopsided matches of which it seems like the red squad is stacked, but it just seems odd that MMM would have to rubber band so much and so often in your leagues.
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Post by ☆ CORVUSNEX ☆ on Mar 31, 2017 9:22:11 GMT -5
This is an easy one to answer. The leagues are for making Pix money. This is done by mismatching players and making it visually simple for them to identify what they must now do to emulate those superior players. Thus, 50% of the time you get the stick and are 'encouraged' to max your hangar asap and the other 50% of the time you get the carrot to reward your efforts. Gradually tiering the leagues gives additional reward and motivation by keeping your next target attainable and all the while the cycle can repeat until you reach the top, at which point you won't need to spend anymore, so Pix won't need you anymore - except to occasionally beat down the inferior opposition you are MM'd with, thus encouraging the progression of the next generation. Hope that helps! Spot on! I used to think that the MM was there to promote an even playing field, and for about 50% of my matches, it was. Me with my squad versus clans like Spartans, Exile, Empire of Korea, The Pride....good exciting matches when numbers were equal. The other matches though, have been slaughters. My squad full of Champions getting dropped against silver and gold squads. I happened again last night and it really bothered me. We crushed them, and it brought back memories of those time when I was coming up through the ranks when I was matches against opponents WAY above my bot/weapon/skill level. I hated that feeling and I was hoping that Leagues would be a way to keep others from being subjected to the same. But I was wrong. I see that the MM is acting just as you describe, showing "younger" players what they need to compete later on and encourage them to spend real cash on those items. So now that I've graduated to "the stick" class, I guess Pixo doesn't need me anymore and won't give enticements to stick around?
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Post by Scuzzbopper on Mar 31, 2017 9:32:27 GMT -5
Down in Silver 2 on Android I would say that the matchups are pretty good. My ongoing analysis now stands at 86 matches played. When I was at the "low" end of silver 2, say 1325 cups, I would see alot of Silver 2, Silver 3, rarely Silver 1, and even some Bronze 1. As I would start getting near the top end of Silver 2, that changed. More Silver 1, even Gold 3, less Silver 3, etc. So for me it seems to be doing it's job in finding players with similar Cup counts to match.
Now, the real rub is total bots per side. If Blue is all 4 slot hangers and Red is 5, 73% of the time Red wins. This is with a 1.5 bot deviation. If Red has a "tanker" then it seems to be a more even fight, as it's 24 v 25.
All other things being somewhat equal (equipment levels within 3 of each other all around, good tactics and teamplay) then played slots win battles, hands down.
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Post by beaconboy on Apr 4, 2017 18:25:35 GMT -5
"The other matches though, have been slaughters. My squad full of Champions getting dropped against silver and gold squads. I happened again last night and it really bothered me. We crushed them, and it brought back memories of those time when I was coming up through the ranks when I was matches against opponents WAY above my bot/weapon/skill level. I hated that feeling and I was hoping that Leagues would be a way to keep others from being subjected to the same."
Happenend to me in the Gold 3 tier. Matched with noobs and they were crushed. I was embarrassed at the spanking. The next match it was me and a bunch of Diamonds. I was useless. Pixie giveth and then taketh away.
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Post by DataMeister on Apr 6, 2017 0:55:10 GMT -5
I can confirm that I regularly get matches above and below my league, and I'm not talking Gold 1 matching with Gold 2. When I was in Gold I would regularly see Diamond and Silver players on both teams. In fact here's a fairly bad matchup. One of the worst I've seen so far. I'm in Diamond 3 now and was up against a whole slew of guys with maxed out hangars running in Master League and Champion League. It looked like the MM system made a futile attempt to balance things, but still, running up against those guys was basically just a series of suicide runs and then I was done.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 9:41:13 GMT -5
I don't know. Sometimes I don't think the leagues are considered by the MM at all and that the MM remains unchanged with the leagues being just a layer on top of it.
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Post by greyhawk on Apr 7, 2017 5:18:32 GMT -5
I've noticed a big change since i'm in gold 3 (android) when i was in silver usually i got teammates and opponents one or leagues above or below but often the same, now i see 2/3 lvl above and below from bronze to diamond! Meh...
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Post by ryel on Apr 7, 2017 10:44:30 GMT -5
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Take it as a compliment. If you have 50% War Robots then you find your league. If the concurrent hangars are higher than yours that means they are less skillful as you are or they are tanked.
MMM(TM) punish the more skillful players because they need to beat higher level bots and take the damage from higher level weapons. The only exception is the bottom (because there is no more league where you can drop) and the top (where all hangars are maxed) end.
MMM(TM) cannot handle the squad matches. The league of the most advanced player of the squad define what opponents you oppose.
MMM(TM) try to fill the gaps. I frequently appear in gold 1/ diamond 3 matches with my silver 1 hangar. There are 1.5 million players but depending on the time of the day and your league you can get strange matches.
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Post by CrownBlack on Apr 7, 2017 11:02:28 GMT -5
I really do not see how anyone can advance up a tier now. I am in the same spot where i was when this league 「dookie」 started. I was at 60% win rate and boom hit bottom at 36%. The leagues gave you tankers who bring everyone down who happen who have the 「dookie」ty luck of being teamed with them. Like someone said earlier I am just doing my daily stuff and after that I dont care if i advance a level or not. I am not spending gold to speed up upgrades and am not BUYING gold to buy something that will supposedly help me compete. How can you compete anyway when you have 3 douches tanking on your team? So now I am just going to do most damage I can and collect all the Au and Ag I can and not worry about being in Silver I forever. Only other option is to find a team active enough where i can just squad with them and hopefully not worry about tankers.
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Post by Ðrako†Ðestruktor on Apr 7, 2017 12:31:08 GMT -5
Ryel: then I wish MMM(TM) would stop complimenting me and start matchmaking based upon HANGARS. Isn't experience/ability SUPPOSED to make a difference on who wins and who loses? Why would REMOVING the experience/ability difference and forcing matches to 50% win/loss make the game better or more fun? "Punishing the more skillful players," as you eloquently put it, seems so anti-intuitive that I can't believe anyone would think it's a good idea, much less a compliment! (by the way: I'm not fussing at you, I'm fussing at Pixonic ...). CrownBlack: I also have the same experience, my win/loss rate porpoising between 40% and 60% and keeping me where I began. I've walked away from the game for days after 9-in-a-row losses against teams that slammed my team against the wall like a Grizzly Bear: so hey Pixonic, how do you think THAT'S supposed to be fun? This is why I still play the game ONLY for free: I'm no longer going to spend one thin dime on a game that purposefully makes me lose half the time. AND NOW: I've got this: how the heck does this guy sit in Silver 2? How does this happen? The sheer number of victories, max damage, etc. tells me that ANY reasoned matchmaker should know he's not at Silver 2! Much less his hangar! Even when MMM(TM) does manage to match me with people at my league, what good does it do if it allows players like this one to be in my league?
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Post by DataMeister on Apr 7, 2017 12:44:21 GMT -5
AND NOW: I've got this: how the heck does this guy sit in Silver 2? How does this happen? The sheer number of victories, max damage, etc. tells me that ANY reasoned matchmaker should know he's not at Silver 2! Much less his hangar! Even when MMM(TM) does manage to match me with people at my league, what good does it do if it allows players like this one to be in my league? Did you try reporting him in the game's "Report An Error" section? There is a "Player Report" category. I don't know if Pixonic will do anything, but it's worth a try.
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Post by blastronaut on Apr 7, 2017 12:47:55 GMT -5
In a nutshell, this is what leagues are for:
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Post by Trogon on Apr 7, 2017 14:57:20 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the MM is still based on damage, not on league score. All the statistics gathered by various people before the leagues were revealed showed in matches the total average damage of both teams was always very close together. I don't think that has changed. The leagues appear to be just laid on top of the MM. I don't think the MM really takes leagues into account, at least not directly.
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Post by gonkyou on Apr 7, 2017 23:08:20 GMT -5
Ryel: then I wish MMM(TM) would stop complimenting me and start matchmaking based upon HANGARS. Isn't experience/ability SUPPOSED to make a difference on who wins and who loses? Why would REMOVING the experience/ability difference and forcing matches to 50% win/loss make the game better or more fun? "Punishing the more skillful players," as you eloquently put it, seems so anti-intuitive that I can't believe anyone would think it's a good idea, much less a compliment! (by the way: I'm not fussing at you, I'm fussing at Pixonic ...). CrownBlack: I also have the same experience, my win/loss rate porpoising between 40% and 60% and keeping me where I began. I've walked away from the game for days after 9-in-a-row losses against teams that slammed my team against the wall like a Grizzly Bear: so hey Pixonic, how do you think THAT'S supposed to be fun? This is why I still play the game ONLY for free: I'm no longer going to spend one thin dime on a game that purposefully makes me lose half the time. AND NOW: I've got this: how the heck does this guy sit in Silver 2? How does this happen? The sheer number of victories, max damage, etc. tells me that ANY reasoned matchmaker should know he's not at Silver 2! Much less his hangar! Even when MMM(TM) does manage to match me with people at my league, what good does it do if it allows players like this one to be in my league?
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Post by Ðrako†Ðestruktor on Apr 8, 2017 2:40:51 GMT -5
Another example from this evening ...
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Post by mechtout on Apr 8, 2017 3:49:25 GMT -5
Leagues dont mean for 「dookie」 in regards to mm
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Post by Ðrako†Ðestruktor on Apr 8, 2017 4:57:07 GMT -5
Ya, got that: so what do they mean[poo-poo] in regards to?
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Post by Thunderkiss on Apr 8, 2017 10:28:43 GMT -5
Leagues are there to enhance uncertainty and foster feeling of low self esteem and general unworthiness in the general population at large.
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Post by Ðrako†Ðestruktor on Apr 8, 2017 23:59:56 GMT -5
This is the last time I'll post one of these, since I've made my point and it's become redundant, but I thought I'd post one last example from my play this evening. What a crock ...
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Post by osang on Apr 9, 2017 1:25:08 GMT -5
League System Law of Winning:
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Post by Flukey*Lukey on Apr 25, 2017 13:16:47 GMT -5
Ryel: then I wish MMM(TM) would stop complimenting me and start matchmaking based upon HANGARS. Isn't experience/ability SUPPOSED to make a difference on who wins and who loses? Why would REMOVING the experience/ability difference and forcing matches to 50% win/loss make the game better or more fun? "Punishing the more skillful players," as you eloquently put it, seems so anti-intuitive that I can't believe anyone would think it's a good idea, much less a compliment! (by the way: I'm not fussing at you, I'm fussing at Pixonic ...). CrownBlack: I also have the same experience, my win/loss rate porpoising between 40% and 60% and keeping me where I began. I've walked away from the game for days after 9-in-a-row losses against teams that slammed my team against the wall like a Grizzly Bear: so hey Pixonic, how do you think THAT'S supposed to be fun? This is why I still play the game ONLY for free: I'm no longer going to spend one thin dime on a game that purposefully makes me lose half the time. AND NOW: I've got this: how the heck does this guy sit in Silver 2? How does this happen? The sheer number of victories, max damage, etc. tells me that ANY reasoned matchmaker should know he's not at Silver 2! Much less his hangar! Even when MMM(TM) does manage to match me with people at my league, what good does it do if it allows players like this one to be in my league? I have just started playing again and I seem to always be against people a lot worse than me, I expect what is happening to me and him is because we have taken a break, we have low trophies and MM doesn't know what to do with us yet
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