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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 5:08:11 GMT -5
I’m really on the fence about some upgrades.
Anyone think upgrading EMG worth it? Most of my EMG is 1.8/1.9, but I need real world experience to see if they are worth leveling higher. Since the nerf, they seem ok, but will higher levels pay a return?
Pulsars and Goon family, very expensive to level.....but is it really worth the expense?
I do enjoy ice rockets, but also very expensive....most of mine are 1.8 atm.....worth it to level?
I suppose this is the big question for most of the 99%, is it worth paying out for good weapons the price of leveling?
As for bots, all of mine are 1.9, except my MK2 Fen....any thoughts about taking bots past that? Already have full speed, and some bots get more than just hit points.
Maybe it’s just me, but if something can be upgraded, it is hard for me to just leave it at a lower level, just because.
Anyways, any thoughts on this stuff would help this old cat guy out! TIA
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Apr 9, 2021 6:26:42 GMT -5
You could remind us which bots you’re thinking of leveling. I like Ice rockets but only on Nightingale.
I’m finding flames are handy lately, try bringing a set of those up to 1.9. Do-able.
I know it’s not much of an answer but if you’re on a tight budget no single weapon is worth upgrading to 1.12. The only exception might be Ember on a TFalcon.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Apr 9, 2021 6:28:22 GMT -5
It's hard to tell someone to "jump right in, the waters fine." Especially when your 「bum-bum」 is still shredded from the last match. For me the cost of modules upgrades are killing it for me. Moving up, getting beat can be on the module levels and pilot skills. I'm down to 32m ag, and can't level anything that will help me survive at M1. So, my best advice is plan really well about where you want to be and what type of 「dookie」 you can take. And still have fun. A example would be, lv2 last stand will work for you. But, lv3 can mean the difference of taking a beacon. I'm always happier dying after taking a beacon.
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Post by milty72 on Apr 9, 2021 6:59:10 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter what level your stuff is. Pix will still average your wins to around 50%.
You will always be playing against a red that will be more powerful than yours around 50% of the time and 50% of the time less powerful than yours.
It's all relative.
I would pick an upgrade cap with what Silver you believe is a sustainable amount and upgrade everything to that. Then play with the lot. Mix and match builds until you find one that you like
I personally go for L9 modern bots. L10 old weapons. L8 modern weapons.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 7:35:43 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter what level your stuff is. Pix will still average your wins to around 50%. You will always be playing against a red that will be more powerful than yours around 50% of the time and 50% of the time less powerful than yours. It's all relative. I would pick an upgrade cap with what Silver you believe is a sustainable amount and upgrade everything to that. Then play with the lot. Mix and match builds until you find one that you like I personally go for L9 modern bots. L10 old weapons. L8 modern weapons. I don’t have a cap level, just the time constraint of not spending hundreds to buy Ag to go fast. Patience really is a virtue, something I’m not built for. My plan is to take old weapons to MK2 because cheap, and they work. New weapons are very expensive, and can lose value every time a patch drops due to the Pix nerf cycles.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 7:41:59 GMT -5
You could remind us which bots you’re thinking of leveling. I like Ice rockets but only on Nightingale. I’m finding flames are handy lately, try brining a set of those up to 1.9. Do-able. I know it’s not much of an answer but if you’re on a tight budget no single weapon is worth upgrading to 1.12. The only exception might be Ember on a TFalcon. My bots are mixed bags, 2 Falcons, Hades, Fen, Ardent Blitz, Ancient Tyr, Ao Jun, Arachnid Invader, Spec, Ravana......my Fen is 2.4 because gotta, BBQ is 1.9, but desire higher level despite almost 100M Ag to take all 3 to 1.10. I know all too well only top whales with max’d everything and squadding gets those big win rates, which do not interest me......It’s just that because it’s there thing, and I like having strong builds, but understand the Pix games so also want to be careful.
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Post by leech2 on Apr 9, 2021 7:44:57 GMT -5
It doesn't really matter what level your stuff is. Pix will still average your wins to around 50%. You will always be playing against a red that will be more powerful than yours around 50% of the time and 50% of the time less powerful than yours. It's all relative. I would pick an upgrade cap with what Silver you believe is a sustainable amount and upgrade everything to that. Then play with the lot. Mix and match builds until you find one that you like I personally go for L9 modern bots. L10 old weapons. L8 modern weapons. I don’t have a cap level, just the time constraint of not spending hundreds to buy Ag to go fast. Patience really is a virtue, something I’m not built for. My plan is to take old weapons to MK2 because cheap, and they work. New weapons are very expensive, and can lose value every time a patch drops due to the Pix nerf cycles. If you go ahead with your plan, then may I suggest the leadhose family first? Magnums are good too, it's really a bummer that the heavy counterpart is sooo expensive.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 7:54:04 GMT -5
I don’t have a cap level, just the time constraint of not spending hundreds to buy Ag to go fast. Patience really is a virtue, something I’m not built for. My plan is to take old weapons to MK2 because cheap, and they work. New weapons are very expensive, and can lose value every time a patch drops due to the Pix nerf cycles. If you go ahead with your plan, then may I suggest the leadhose family first? Magnums are good too, it's really a bummer that the heavy counterpart is sooo expensive. I am not aware of a heavy Magnum.....but, my blitz now sports 4 Magnums @ 1.10, and is little jumping flea of death!
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Apr 9, 2021 7:55:50 GMT -5
1) hoard Ag till an overdrive if you’re on the fence about stuff 2) you’ll notice a huge difference when you get stuff to 1.11 3) unless you’re in intense high champs clan battles 1.12 to 2.4 is strong enough to compete and do well against 90% of reds 4) pick the bot you feel you are most successful with and upgrade that, then do the same with your next and so on
It’s difficult to say yes invest in these weapons or no not those (with exceptions of course). As you know I run EMG build still on my hades, and think it’s fantastic. I however won’t run atomizers anymore (atm). Same for cryo, but I run freeze on shell. Certain bots, certain builds and drone combos change the dynamics. But one thing is absolute- you can NEVER go wrong with stronger weapons (unless its an arbalest, that can’t be saved)..l
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Apr 9, 2021 7:56:39 GMT -5
If you go ahead with your plan, then may I suggest the leadhose family first? Magnums are good too, it's really a bummer that the heavy counterpart is sooo expensive. I am not aware of a heavy Magnum.....but, my blitz now sports 4 Magnums @ 1.10, and is little jumping flea of death! Plasma family- magnum, taran, redeemer
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 8:00:06 GMT -5
I am not aware of a heavy Magnum.....but, my blitz now sports 4 Magnums @ 1.10, and is little jumping flea of death! Plasma family- magnum, taran, redeemer Ok, I was thinking the awesomeness of continuous firing....would Heavy Magnum go POW POW POW instead of pew pew pew? I do like zero sec. reload.....Imagine Redeemer with zero sec. reload!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 8:04:48 GMT -5
1) hoard Ag till an overdrive if you’re on the fence about stuff 2) you’ll notice a huge difference when you get stuff to 1.11 3) unless you’re in intense high champs clan battles 1.12 to 2.4 is strong enough to compete and do well against 90% of reds 4) pick the bot you feel you are most successful with and upgrade that, then do the same with your next and so on It’s difficult to say yes invest in these weapons or no not those (with exceptions of course). As you know I run EMG build still on my hades, and think it’s fantastic. I however won’t run atomizers anymore (atm). Same for cryo, but I run freeze on shell. Certain bots, certain builds and drone combos change the dynamics. But one thing is absolute- you can NEVER go wrong with stronger weapons (unless its an arbalest, that can’t be saved)..l Thanks. I do feel 1.9 is not high enough, league level not being considered. I just want my builds to sing. I do well with EMG Hades, and have 2 Nucleons getting dusty that I am considering throwing on Ao Jun, but they are lower level atm. Calamity Ao Jun is pretty good, too...tough choice. I experiment with my gear every now and then, then see what makes me happy happy.......
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Apr 9, 2021 8:24:11 GMT -5
1) hoard Ag till an overdrive if you’re on the fence about stuff 2) you’ll notice a huge difference when you get stuff to 1.11 3) unless you’re in intense high champs clan battles 1.12 to 2.4 is strong enough to compete and do well against 90% of reds 4) pick the bot you feel you are most successful with and upgrade that, then do the same with your next and so on It’s difficult to say yes invest in these weapons or no not those (with exceptions of course). As you know I run EMG build still on my hades, and think it’s fantastic. I however won’t run atomizers anymore (atm). Same for cryo, but I run freeze on shell. Certain bots, certain builds and drone combos change the dynamics. But one thing is absolute- you can NEVER go wrong with stronger weapons (unless its an arbalest, that can’t be saved)..l Thanks. I do feel 1.9 is not high enough, league level not being considered. I just want my builds to sing. I do well with EMG Hades, and have 2 Nucleons getting dusty that I am considering throwing on Ao Jun, but they are lower level atm. Calamity Ao Jun is pretty good, too...tough choice. I experiment with my gear every now and then, then see what makes me happy happy....... Right there is the key (outside of whatever is currently meta). Find what is effective with your play style and go from there. Just don’t let range builds fill your hangar as that’s a recipe for disaster. The majority of your hangar should be brawling builds. Too much speed, too much stealth, too much blinking to have multiple ranged builds. This is just a general statement and not directed at anyone
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Post by Jeb on Apr 9, 2021 8:39:37 GMT -5
If you go ahead with your plan, then may I suggest the leadhose family first? Magnums are good too, it's really a bummer that the heavy counterpart is sooo expensive. I am not aware of a heavy Magnum.....but, my blitz now sports 4 Magnums @ 1.10, and is little jumping flea of death! All of my Magnums (I think I have nine?) are maxed out. Definitely worth it. I don't run the Pursuer much anymore but the trio of Magnums would always beat up targets way harder than you'd expect.
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Post by Jeb on Apr 9, 2021 8:50:17 GMT -5
So far I've maxed out Tulumbas/Pins (which USED to be devastating), Tarans/Magnums (use them every game), Punisher-Ts (grinders), Thunder/Gust, and Stings. I've taken Nucleons, Hussars, an Atomizer, Vipers, Glacier/Cryos/Rimes, and Storms to L9/10, and a Trident to L11. I've also got energy shotguns languishing around L8.
Basically, Tier 1/2 stuff for me is always going to be worth pushing up to at least 1.12, and if it's something you're using frequently and effectively, go over the hump and Mk2 it. For the more expensive hardware, I've pressed for Level 10 across the board, with the idea that I'll go higher with stuff IF I get to a point where I'm not pushing weapons I want to use to L10.
Same goes with bots, incidentally. The last bot I got into Mk2 was my Cerberus and eventually I maxed it out. I don't really have a plan to get another bot into Mk2 any time soon.
I was lucky, though. I had a whole bunch of bots and weapons at 1.12 status when Pixonic realigned the Mk2 charts and DEEPLY discounted the gold cost to go Mk2. I think I Mk2'd something like 15-18 items that day.
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Post by leech2 on Apr 9, 2021 8:55:23 GMT -5
I am not aware of a heavy Magnum.....but, my blitz now sports 4 Magnums @ 1.10, and is little jumping flea of death! All of my Magnums (I think I have nine?) are maxed out. Definitely worth it. I don't run the Pursuer much anymore but the trio of Magnums would always beat up targets way harder than you'd expect. I have all plasma family on my leo and it does surprise quite a few people.
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Post by Poopface on Apr 9, 2021 9:05:37 GMT -5
@bananasplit
Sorry, I can't keep up with all the acronyms and nicknames any more. EMG = Energy Machine Gun?
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Apr 9, 2021 9:15:33 GMT -5
@bananasplit
Sorry, I can't keep up with all the acronyms and nicknames any more. EMG = Energy Machine Gun?
Yep
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Apr 9, 2021 9:17:07 GMT -5
@bananasplit
Sorry, I can't keep up with all the acronyms and nicknames any more. EMG = Energy Machine Gun?
Yep! or Electric. Your choice.
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Post by zombiewolf907 on Apr 9, 2021 9:17:17 GMT -5
I know I am not the norm as I have been playing for many years and have many weapons/bots at MK2 Lvl6 and higher. Most are older and none yet in the most current meta. What I do is save Ag for a few months until I get a new weapon or bot from a giveaway that I want to upgrade. I take it up to MK1 Lvl9 and then wait for the 25% off Ag upgrade rush and take what I have saved for up to MK2 Lvl6. I am a low Champ player and this approach works for me. Many of the non-meta weapons remain effective enough to keep my hanger effective but I still get squad stomped on a regular basis by the meta squads.
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Post by Poopface on Apr 9, 2021 9:21:46 GMT -5
Iâm really on the fence about some upgrades. Anyone think upgrading EMG worth it? Most of my EMG is 1.8/1.9, but I need real world experience to see if they are worth leveling higher. Since the nerf, they seem ok, but will higher levels pay a return? Pulsars and Goon family, very expensive to level.....but is it really worth the expense? I do enjoy ice rockets, but also very expensive....most of mine are 1.8 atm.....worth it to level? I suppose this is the big question for most of the 99%, is it worth paying out for good weapons the price of leveling? As for bots, all of mine are 1.9, except my MK2 Fen....any thoughts about taking bots past that? Already have full speed, and some bots get more than just hit points. Maybe itâs just me, but if something can be upgraded, it is hard for me to just leave it at a lower level, just because. Anyways, any thoughts on this stuff would help this old cat guy out! TIA
My $0.02 only.
I don't like the EMGs. I've seen ʂɬɛɛƖ run them effectively, but all too often I get ambushed by Scorpions or cornered by a Titan and and then my shots get all diffuse. That said, my issues are likely more because I was using my Nucleon on a Weyland than due to issues with the guns. Immobility is a 「female dog」.
Pulsars: yes. Goons: no. Particularly with Shells in abundance these days, energy guns are no bueno.
Ice rockets are okay. Best when you're brawling at distances under 200m. Still, it's bad when you're out of rockets. Then they go pew. pew. pew. pew.
Regarding leveling up your mechs, what're you trying to accomplish? If it's Champ league, then level them up. If you don't want that and are more comfortable playing at another league level, then you need to set a max level and be content with that.
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Post by leech2 on Apr 9, 2021 9:22:32 GMT -5
@bananasplit
Sorry, I can't keep up with all the acronyms and nicknames any more. EMG = Energy Machine Gun?
I was thinking "Electromagnetic gun"
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Post by Poopface on Apr 9, 2021 9:31:58 GMT -5
@bananasplit
Sorry, I can't keep up with all the acronyms and nicknames any more. EMG = Energy Machine Gun?
I was thinking "Electromagnetic gun" Electromagnetic guns are also known as Rail Guns (aka the Gauss Gun). Sidenote: The physics behind them are very interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 10:36:02 GMT -5
I was thinking "Electromagnetic gun" Electromagnetic guns are also known as Rail Guns (aka the Gauss Gun). Sidenote: The physics behind them are very interesting.
Indeed. If anyone is geeky like me, remember a series of books about the Lensmen? The first effective weapon for space combat was a rail gun where many hundreds of large B-Bs were hurled out at massive speed to the calculated position of an enemy over time, and just wastes them? In War Robots, you get one shot....rail guns can fire off like a 12 gauge with bird shot, and are nasty deadly. Getting out of the way of those may not be possible, despite tv/movies showing turning on a dime in space....it takes a lot of thrust and time to turn. Better stop now before Star Trek comes up.........
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 10:49:36 GMT -5
I would like to thank all of you for helping me out. Despite the many Pix issues, I love this game. And for better, or worse, I miss the days I was in Champs, earning winged cups(I have almost 1700 of them), and want to build up my gear to Champs ready without losing my house be overspending to get there. I am so grateful for a player like steel being here, as he proves, as some others here do, that full meta is not needed to succeed and have fun playing War Robots. So, here are my hangars I play, on all maps, as the mood strikes me:
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Post by santaclaus on Apr 9, 2021 12:44:48 GMT -5
I was thinking "Electromagnetic gun" Electromagnetic guns are also known as Rail Guns (aka the Gauss Gun). Sidenote: The physics behind them are very interesting.
Have you seen the kids on YouTube making Gauss pistols?
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Post by santaclaus on Apr 9, 2021 12:47:59 GMT -5
Electromagnetic guns are also known as Rail Guns (aka the Gauss Gun). Sidenote: The physics behind them are very interesting.
Indeed. If anyone is geeky like me, remember a series of books about the Lensmen? The first effective weapon for space combat was a rail gun where many hundreds of large B-Bs were hurled out at massive speed to the calculated position of an enemy over time, and just wastes them? In War Robots, you get one shot....rail guns can fire off like a 12 gauge with bird shot, and are nasty deadly. Getting out of the way of those may not be possible, despite tv/movies showing turning on a dime in space....it takes a lot of thrust and time to turn. Better stop now before Star Trek comes up......... Not sure if related but is it how full scale laser weaponry exists to disintegrate tanks but there's no pew pew sound or light show so nobody cares... We have lasers that carve out hulls for oceanliners, we have lasers that drill 800m into the earth... And people think a laser cannon is still science fiction.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Apr 9, 2021 12:54:05 GMT -5
Better stop now before Star Trek comes up......... Well, everybody knows that Star Trek is better than Star Wars. *grabs popcorn*
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Apr 9, 2021 13:02:44 GMT -5
I would like to thank all of you for helping me out. Despite the many Pix issues, I love this game. And for better, or worse, I miss the days I was in Champs, earning winged cups(I have almost 1700 of them), and want to build up my gear to Champs ready without losing my house be overspending to get there. I am so grateful for a player like steel being here, as he proves, as some others here do, that full meta is not needed to succeed and have fun playing War Robots. So, here are my hangars I play, on all maps, as the mood strikes me: Leveled up some more, that top hangar is champs worthy for sure. I’d play the fenrir and Tyr early for when shells are most abundant and to make sure I was getting healing honor... all the pieces are there for you
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Apr 9, 2021 13:42:01 GMT -5
@bananasplit : I see you have one Heavy Armor Kit for your Fenrir. Admittedly I'm a tanky player that likes armor kits and not a max damage player that plays "tackle out." So, slowly and over time you could upgrade a Heavy Armor Kit now and then. I still use mine and they are ooollllllld. In other words, meta weapons and bots come and go but I bring the modules along quite nicely, tyvm.
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