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Post by Jeb on Mar 26, 2021 8:45:47 GMT -5
Some games yesterday really just drove home why I think Scorpions and Demeters are bad bots for players. These two bots have devalued the skill of movement. When you can point generally toward an enemy or toward another player and just push a button to appear behind them, you're a loser. You haven't done the work. And I am judging you.  
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Post by 7Chandrian on Mar 26, 2021 9:03:35 GMT -5
Maybe if there was some chance of unintended consequences such as in this chart from www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/t/teleport/ Maybe 10% of the time it teleports in front of the target instead of behind, 5% to a random spot on the map and 1% it does damage or destroys a weapon for the teleported. Maybe change the % for the distance telported? Just a crazy idea. |
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Post by Jeb on Mar 26, 2021 9:08:47 GMT -5
Novel. I'd prefer it if they just teleported into the sun.
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Post by Loganspawn on Mar 26, 2021 9:13:50 GMT -5
If it makes you feel any better I use mine to hunt shells.... bwaaaaaaa
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Post by santaclaus on Mar 26, 2021 9:26:07 GMT -5
If it makes you feel any better I use mine to hunt shells.... bwaaaaaaa 😡 |
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Post by Koalabear on Mar 26, 2021 9:29:32 GMT -5
I loved running my Scorpion when I was still playing this game. The movement is so slow that being able to suddenly be in firing position was lots of fun. Of course, I hated having reds run them against me! lol
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Mar 26, 2021 9:41:52 GMT -5
This "movement" issue is why I don't like BR as well. The red team can play sloppy then pop-in a bot while you are trying to capture their crappily defended beacon. But, I guess it's a different discipline than DOM. Obvioulsy, I'm a DOM guy. I've been dabbling in TDM lately, but man there's Scorpions everywhere in that mode.
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Post by Jeb on Mar 26, 2021 9:58:02 GMT -5
This "movement" issue is why I don't like BR as well. The red team can play sloppy then pop-in a bot while you are trying to capture their crappily defended beacon. But, I guess it's a different discipline than DOM. Obvioulsy, I'm a DOM guy. I've been dabbling in TDM lately, but man there's Scorpions everywhere in that mode. Yeah, I avoid BR as much as I can too. TDM isn't that bad for me but I'm always dropping range first so I move backwards as much as forwards when those games start. TDM is what I play when I need to clear those 400m+ requirements. |
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Post by BB on Mar 26, 2021 12:48:00 GMT -5
Legit observation, I feel the same way. Thereâs a million reasons to hate on these new generation telebots...and I have explored them all....but there IS a silver lining IMO. There is a whole new generation of players that will quickly become dependent on their magic buttons to get 「dookie」 done, therefore MISSING OUT on the valuable learning experience of actually moving around the map, having to watch your 「bum-bum」, going from cover to cover to close distance on a target. Skilled navigation around the various maps is one of my qualifiers that makes a great pilot. Anybody who brags about their prowess behind a Scorpion is just....  |
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Mar 26, 2021 13:42:10 GMT -5
I agree and disagree here. There are tons of easy button bots out there and plenty have them. A bad player in an easy button bot is an annoyance. A good pilot in one, well watch out. It’s really not about the bot, it’s about the player. And honestly, everyone should celebrate the folks that teleport, shoot and then blink back to stare at a wall when they’re red. Much easier to eliminate those types. In that bot and any other one they trot out... just saying
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Post by Jeb on Mar 26, 2021 16:05:12 GMT -5
Nope, I'm particularly offended by teleport-to bots. Even the Phantom isn't this lame. The only bots that are as bad are the ones with reflector shields, meaning Hawk & Minos. But at least they have to work somewhat to get across the field.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2021 16:53:20 GMT -5
Bots don’t kill bots.....people do!
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Mar 30, 2021 5:40:57 GMT -5
I hate them as well so I built one and run it (won't level it past 1.10 though) just to get some revenge annoyance on my enemies but it ends up just being cat and mouse with counter attacks back and forth.
Never got to play one before it was nerfed but even post nerf it is stupid easy to pilot.
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Post by Fainty Dragon on Mar 31, 2021 13:22:39 GMT -5
I hate them with passion even now.
Carrier is the worst map for it = all to scorpions scurry into crevices and tunnels for their comfy safe ambushes.
Worse yet, when i want to be a team player, all I can do is setup a scorpion repair depot with my Tyr ...
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Post by leech2 on Mar 31, 2021 23:40:44 GMT -5
I hate to disappoint everyone...but I've been making a scorpion in the workshop for the past month or two. On 7600 components now.
Yes I'm looking forward to pass on my suffering.
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Post by Jeb on Apr 1, 2021 12:35:23 GMT -5
You can still sell back all those components and respect yourself tomorrow.
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Post by leech2 on Apr 2, 2021 22:53:33 GMT -5
You can still sell back all those components and respect yourself tomorrow. Nothing to lose! |
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Apr 2, 2021 23:10:46 GMT -5
If it makes you feel any better I use mine to hunt shells.... bwaaaaaaa I just wander up and down the beach. It's quite relaxing...oh wait, what were we talking about? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 23:09:47 GMT -5
I hate them with passion even now. Carrier is the worst map for it = all to scorpions scurry into crevices and tunnels for their comfy safe ambushes. Worse yet, when i want to be a team player, all I can do is setup a scorpion repair depot with my Tyr ... On carrier, I tend to hunt with my Blitz and BBQ Fen in those damp, dark places.....kinda fun exterminating the bugs, sorta like on Starship Troopers. |
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Post by reckless1 on Apr 4, 2021 11:00:55 GMT -5
I hate them with passion even now. Carrier is the worst map for it = all to scorpions scurry into crevices and tunnels for their comfy safe ambushes. Worse yet, when i want to be a team player, all I can do is setup a scorpion repair depot with my Tyr ... On carrier, I tend to hunt with my Blitz and BBQ Fen in those damp, dark places.....kinda fun exterminating the bugs, sorta like on Starship Troopers. [br Yes. On carrier I have a great time with my blitz and hellburner. I love when they try to run, boom! Have another. Boom! |
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Post by leech2 on Apr 4, 2021 21:50:05 GMT -5
I hate them as well so I built one and run it (won't level it past 1.10 though) just to get some revenge annoyance on my enemies but it ends up just being cat and mouse with counter attacks back and forth. Never got to play one before it was nerfed but even post nerf it is stupid easy to pilot. At least the teleport range is somewhat reasonable...With demeter you can just escape to the other side on small maps like shenzen. |
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Post by maverick on Apr 6, 2021 5:29:24 GMT -5
Scorpion attacks me I quit the game. Scorpion free zone.
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Post by titando on Apr 6, 2021 8:41:54 GMT -5
As a player that has recently started playing the Scorpion, I can tell you there are lots of counters to it. Teleport != instant kill. It has its own strategy just like all bots/weapons in the game. Yes, some are OP, and always will be when they're first released. That's my 2 cents.
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Post by leech2 on Apr 6, 2021 9:17:19 GMT -5
I hate to disappoint everyone...but I've been making a scorpion in the workshop for the past month or two. On 7600 components now. Yes I'm looking forward to pass on my suffering. Update: 9240 comps. Getting real excited. |
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Post by titando on Apr 6, 2021 9:54:26 GMT -5
Scorpion attacks me I quit the game. Scorpion free zone. No, please don't do that. Figure out how to counter. Others are doing it. You can too. Can be frustrating at times, I know. Hang in there. |
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Post by Jeb on Apr 6, 2021 12:20:05 GMT -5
Scorpion attacks me I quit the game. Scorpion free zone. No, please don't do that. Figure out how to counter. Others are doing it. You can too. Can be frustrating at times, I know. Hang in there. It's not the counterability, it's the total lack of skill required to get into a flanking position where you can take a shot at someone's back. Even kids playing Kancho have to try to get behind their target. You just press a button and show up there. Whoopee. |
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Post by maverick on Apr 6, 2021 15:01:40 GMT -5
Scorpion attacks me I quit the game. Scorpion free zone. No, please don't do that. Figure out how to counter. Others are doing it. You can too. Can be frustrating at times, I know. Hang in there. I don't run tanks, I run assassins by the time I react to a magic bot appearing behind my bot it is either dead or severely crippled. Magic bot should not be in the game therefore I quit when attacked by the POS. |
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Post by titando on Apr 6, 2021 15:03:10 GMT -5
No, please don't do that. Figure out how to counter. Others are doing it. You can too. Can be frustrating at times, I know. Hang in there. It's not the counterability, it's the total lack of skill required to get into a flanking position where you can take a shot at someone's back. Even kids playing Kancho have to try to get behind their target. You just press a button and show up there. Whoopee. We could easily say the same about any ambush style bot, e.g. Invader, Raven, Ao Jun, Pursuer, Blitz, etc. |
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Post by Jeb on Apr 6, 2021 15:17:17 GMT -5
It's not the counterability, it's the total lack of skill required to get into a flanking position where you can take a shot at someone's back. Even kids playing Kancho have to try to get behind their target. You just press a button and show up there. Whoopee. We could easily say the same about any ambush style bot, e.g. Invader, Raven, Ao Jun, Pursuer, Blitz, etc. No you can't, because every single one of them has to actively move into position to shoot at a target, and can get hit on the way in. I can't just look at someone hiding behind cover 400m away and press a button to go shoot him in the 「bum-bum」. See, you've proven my original point. Scorpion has ruined you as a player to the point that you think you're making a perfectly reasonable statement. |
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Post by titando on Apr 6, 2021 15:27:16 GMT -5
We could easily say the same about any ambush style bot, e.g. Invader, Raven, Ao Jun, Pursuer, Blitz, etc. No you can't, because every single one of them has to actively move into position to shoot at a target, and can get hit on the way in. I can't just look at someone hiding behind cover 400m away and press a button to go shoot him in the 「bum-bum」. See, you've proven my original point. Scorpion has ruined you as a player to the point that you think you're making a perfectly reasonable statement. You have never met my Raven. LOL! Scorpion has an indicator to telegraph its move. Watch for it and you will know when it's coming.
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