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Post by Joopiter on Mar 1, 2021 14:15:03 GMT -5
Welcome daniel0o0 !! My girlfriends son has mild aspergers and I'd be curious to see your take on the game, analytically/mathmatically/systematically. I'm all ears.
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Post by Loganspawn on Mar 1, 2021 14:18:46 GMT -5
Lets hear it, its all opinions here so don't worry what others think as long as you can explain why you think what you do. Always love to hear different perspectives.
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Mar 1, 2021 14:39:25 GMT -5
I'm in expert league 2, and i don't think I see any behavior that could be described as AI behavior. Well at least imo, i don't consider AI in games very intelligent. At least War Robots tutorial AI acted pretty unintelligent, walking opposite direction from everyone, walking into walls, not being able to go around obstacles and stuff like that. So, no, i don't think there's AI after tutorial Welcome to the forum
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Post by santaclaus on Mar 1, 2021 18:38:33 GMT -5
I'm in expert, while yes AI could exist as far at champ league. I doubt it.
What you describe as not being human is in fact the most human thing; being a piece of 「dookie」 damage chaser.
FFA is very common to gang up on a target for the purposes of kill stealing. In beacon modes, people will abandon beacons to focus on damage especially if the game is not immediately favorable. Because damage is still the biggest contributer of position. These losers know they will cost you the game but as long as they're on top 2 they don't care.
Every other behavior can be attributed to children playing, being high, drunk, away, lag, or genuine stupidity.
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Mar 1, 2021 22:12:19 GMT -5
I don’t think there’s AI past the first 10 games because I don’t think Pix has the competence to do so. Consider how long it’s taking them to retexture maps (Dreadnaught, Yamantau have been gone months), their inability to ever improve targeting, we still can’t see other platform profiles (a year?), a poor UI design that’s clunky, terrain that bots always stumble on or get hung up, bots that freeze when landing, bots that don’t jump right (my Rogatka jumps more vertical than forward when going up a slope because they are probably simply using the normal of the surface rather than momentum of the bot). Basically they seem little more than script kiddies to me and to implement an AI system that could flawlessly fool so many people is very unlikely.
The very simple AI in bronze league was created by talent that left when Mail.ru took over. That talent has the ability to do inverse kinematics as evidenced in B.o.T., and if they stayed or I saw some evidence that the current Pix team have a standard grasp of vector math I might consider there’s more AI.
Also, would there be so many missing players if they could fill them with AI?
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Mar 2, 2021 6:45:29 GMT -5
... and this thread is not my attempt to be educated about anything aside from my wishes to hear other players' similar experiences and conclusions regarding AI I was operating under the impression you were posting to make your arguments for why there is AI. But I wasn’t seeing any points being made so I was trying to get the ball rolling by making the points of my assessment, thinking this would prompt you to reveal your ideas by refuting mine. But reading your last post I now get the impression you may be looking only to identify and connect with those that share your viewpoint. And then you will talk with them in private. Or public? Either way it seems the first step is waiting for an agreeing voice. Ok, that’s fine, you can do that. But I don’t see why. You say you’re certain and tempted us that there’s proof. I love a meticulous argument, especially for something I don’t see at the outset, and want to hear how there has to be AI in War Robots past Bronze. Do I have to wait? Are you going to present your ideas publicly whether someone stands with your conclusions or not?
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Mar 2, 2021 7:09:03 GMT -5
I’m open to hearing them. I hope my care in delineating ideas shows that.
edit: wha? You deleted the post this is responding to 🤷♀️
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Mar 2, 2021 7:58:12 GMT -5
... I have said enough to be understood by any rational people as to what this thread is about. Ok, now I’m finding this quite passive aggressive. I interpret this as you clearly saying I’m not rational, something I hold with esteem. But you won’t respond to anything I’ve tried to engage about. It feels like you’re shunning me, and anyone who doesn’t share your conclusion, by refusing to engage anybody outside that set. So I’ll leave it here too. I just want to engage on these ideas, you say you want to have a discussion, yet it won’t start. I don’t understand what you’re waiting for and disagree you need complimentary voices. Start a discussion and if there’s meat then voices will come. But if you don’t like me just PM me and I’ll stop trying to engage you 🥰
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Post by santaclaus on Mar 2, 2021 11:02:25 GMT -5
With that said though, I have meant to be clear that I intend to argue that this game is AI from Private League all through to Champion League and I will be telling what makes me believe this. However before I can do that I need to let people come by and speak and get some chat happening - and actually because of my purpose I should want to phrase my request for voices as the following: Is there anybody else here who suspects this game is more AI than real multiplayer? Why is this staring to feel like a prosoerity infomercial?
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Post by Koalabear on Mar 2, 2021 15:32:13 GMT -5
Ok, just a few quick points:
1. If you're going to go on any online forum to start a discussion or debate, you need to have thicker skin and not get overly sensitive by what other write. You have a right to post your opinion and others have a right to post their opinion about your opinion. As long as things remain civil, it's all good.
2. Some of your posts come off as passive aggressive. I don't know if that is your intent or not but it does contribute to things potentially escalating.
3. If you want people to be able to read your opinions and the form subsequent responses, you need to think about some formatting in your posts. Yes, the forum GUI doesn't really allow for that, but some strategic carriage returns will go a long way to make your posts readable. For example, I could not read your post because I have bad eyes and they hurt if I try to focus too hard to read something and I often have to take my glasses off to rest them.
4. I don't play the game anymore, but I do agree that in the lower leagues, there seems to be lots of AI players. I too suspect that the lack of unique names could be an identifier, but at the same time, you need to consider that with hundreds of thousands and potentially millions of players, there could be some people who are just too lazy to change their game handle. As for the higher leagues, I don't think there could be that many AI players.
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Post by Covid-19 Cure on Mar 2, 2021 16:17:07 GMT -5
Yes there is no doubt that there is AI in the first one or two leagues. But I can definitely say with full confidence that there is no AI in the later leagues. I believe this because 1. Pixonic can't even make their AI do anything productive in the tutorials. They just walk around aimlessly firing into walls. If they wanted a more effective AI they could've made them target the player but only at specific times so the new player can be prepared for the heat of battle. Therefore how could they make proper battle helpful AI for later leagues. 2. How could they implicate successful Artificial Intelligence when they cant fix matchmaking? They constantly make under powered players fight the aggressive Pay-2-Win. If their game was in proper shape then maybe I'd think they were advanced enough to have good AI.
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Mar 2, 2021 16:29:53 GMT -5
Yes there is no doubt that there is AI in the first one or two leagues. But I can definitely say with full confidence that there is no AI in the later leagues. I believe this because 1. Pixonic can't even make their AI do anything productive in the tutorials. They just walk around aimlessly firing into walls. If they wanted a more effective AI they could've made them target the player but only at specific times so the new player can be prepared for the heat of battle. Therefore how could they make proper battle helpful AI for later leagues. 2. How could they implicate successful Artificial Intelligence when they cant fix matchmaking? They constantly make under powered players fight the aggressive Pay-2-Win. If their game was in proper shape then maybe I'd think they were advanced enough to have good AI. I think MM is working just like pixie imagined it. And i just remembered 2 additional AI cases that fit this thread better. 1. You probably know those weird games you get when android gets an update, and ios don't, with late drops, missing players, huge difference in leagues... And most times all of the above in one match. Why don't AI populate those games if there is AI?
2. Do you guys remember a couple if months back, when there was that weird glitch, and some people couldn't get a match whatsoever, while the others got into strange 3v3 or smth games? Maybe that glitch was AI malfunction, and AI is actually present in ridiculously huge numbers, like there's more AI players than real ones...
3. It could just be aliens coming to get us
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Post by Flaminius on Mar 2, 2021 16:49:39 GMT -5
Not for me.
I don't really care for MMOs because I enjoy the linear gameplay and visuals of fancy PC games. If I have learned anything there, it's that even the very best can't program AI very well. Everything is predictable, and that's why I like it, it's a riddle to be solved.
As far as War Robots goes, they haven't a clue. I play Fortnite a bit with the kids, even their AI sucks. If Pixonic could make good AI happen, they absolutely would sell it!
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Mar 2, 2021 19:35:15 GMT -5
Here is Daniels post with carriage returns so it’s easier to read....
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Post by santaclaus on Mar 2, 2021 22:00:37 GMT -5
Pulse HadronSorry man, while I really appreciate you formatting it I still don't follow what the actual test is. Maybe I am not "intelligent and mature" but I'm on like 3 painkillers, I can't read lengthy text with my eyes right now... How do I run this test?
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Post by santaclaus on Mar 2, 2021 22:02:30 GMT -5
Nevermind I see the last post.
Play silver gear only. What am I supposed to be looking for though?
Because my main hangar IS silver only and I've been playing it since September last year. My second hangar is meta.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Mar 3, 2021 19:32:19 GMT -5
I reckon there's some sort of AI in leavers queue (I get there after I rage quit multiple games due to being against the same squads over and over)..... You just get this weird behaviour from players that just seem to follow you around when all I want to do is hide and finish a few games to get back to normal leagues
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Post by akulon on Mar 4, 2021 2:18:32 GMT -5
Seems to be some AI in FFA Diamond. Several days ago played FFA and became the only player with non HB boot, all other players used 5 HB boots and they stayed in the game till the end. Very strange because usually tankers/ad chasers only play till two minutes. Can not see the hangars, all of them not from Android.
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Post by santaclaus on Mar 4, 2021 10:06:12 GMT -5
Seems to be some AI in FFA Diamond. Several days ago played FFA and became the only player with non HB boot, all other players used 5 HB boots and they stayed in the game till the end. Very strange because usually tankers/ad chasers only play till two minutes. Can not see the hangars, all of them not from Android. What did any of that mean? Hellburners wear boots?
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Post by akulon on Mar 4, 2021 10:15:00 GMT -5
Seems to be some AI in FFA Diamond. Several days ago played FFA and became the only player with non HB boot, all other players used 5 HB boots and they stayed in the game till the end. Very strange because usually tankers/ad chasers only play till two minutes. Can not see the hangars, all of them not from Android. What did any of that mean? Hellburners wear boots? I was the only player who did not use HB robot.
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Post by Poopface on Mar 5, 2021 6:55:49 GMT -5
OP deleted all his posts. It makes the thread mighty disjointed, particularly in the top ~1/2. Locking the thread to prevent future confusion.
If you all want to restart a separate thread analyzing where you do and don't think AI may be included in the game, go right ahead. Heck, if it isn't ranty it doesn't even need to be in this subforum.
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