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Post by derps on Oct 17, 2020 1:28:25 GMT -5
Soooo, whats the point of the Ao Jun, i feel like it has been beaten senseless into the ground. It doesnt just get utterly wiped across the floor by the Hawk, but with the massive reduction in overall stealth duration (no ascend/descent stealth time) ANY bot can deal insane dmg to the bot DURING its ability. to put the analysis in comparison... (purely in reflection of yet another Ao Jun nerf)
AO JUN: BUILT IN WEAPON::: 350 range Slow projectile travel speed, requires lead time on on target in a largely glitchy/laggy game, target unintentional teleporting Does not sync well with many weapons that have direct fire/fast project that require on-target accurate tracking, rather than any lead-time
ABILITY::: 22sec cooldown Flies Stealth Extremely vulnerable when grounded, moderate weapon dmg as only defense
1st nerf, fly speed reduction & built in weapon reduction 2nd nerf, DOA? No stealth during take-off & landing. Overall stealth duration greatly reduced to somewhat laughable duration.
was popular because it was available early enough to create a more generalized competitive level to players Despite its available power back in the day, it still took a little skill to stay close enough to target for built in flamethrower, tracking the target with lead-time, AND having weapons that sync well enough with this lead-time requirement so as not to lose a lot of dmg from weapon or built in choice.
Conclusion, although they swarmed the maps, they still allowed relatively reachable competitiveness to a much LARGER amount of the gaming population AND in turn had enough weaknesses that still allowed for a pretty good amount of variety to alternative/competitive bot choices... however, whats the point when you have Ao Jun 2.0 that is utterly ridiculous. NO real weaknesses in comparison, except for maybe, "when on the ground" but it has more firepower than Ao Jun even on the ground, AND same exact cooldown time for an ability that is 10x more powerful.
HAWK: BUILT IN WEAPON::: 500 range Dmg Reduction IGNORING AUTO TARGET LOCKING to within frontal view of player VERY high dmg levels in comparison to ALL bots in-game with comparable abilities can sync with literally any weapon type due to auto lock on
ABILITY::: 22sec cooldown Flies 85% dmg reduction (it says "damage blocked" i assume is the same as DR?) 40% reflected dmg Somewhat vulnerable when grounded, but has extensive firepower as defense
Hoping this bot receives extreme nerfs. I want to be CLEAR, i was always in the camp of disliking the Ao Jun hordes since its release, but i also was always of the opinion that it offered more competitiveness to a broader audience, as well as had enough weaknesses to keep it in relative balance that other bots still could do well against it.
The Hawk is a literal big spender's WET DREAM. Utterly insane built in weapon stats, ability stats, and weapon dmg capability. Still ONLY having the weakness of, "when it lands". Or in the case of any ability bot, "when the ability ends". Basically meta. Meta being, use bot ability, then run away and hid when ability runs out, rinse, repeat, profit?
I would love one, but i also acknowledge just how insane this thing is. As fun as it may be to stream roll every bot on the field including TITANS, the facts are, it is stupidly imbalanced, like, in my 4+ years of playing, there has never been anything that has THIS much capability in COMPARISON to the entire game's line-up. Stack some super expensive max drones, add a newly expensive to max out legendary pilot, with maxed out expensive premium modules, and plenty of green crack to spam all day and blamo, you are top of food chain until the next cycle! WOO,... hoo... hmmm... this experience is getting old. lol oops
i guess the search for a well balanced, non P2W gaming model is quite the unicorn, something I had hoped 4+ yrs ago that War Robots would be... bummer dude.
==========================TL;DR=========================== I just hate to see something slightly powerful get double nerfed and replaced by something 10x more powerful... the powercreep has become powerflood. Meta? Nah, just drop a few thousand $$$ and by the new top dawg as usual?
I am curious if people are just accepting this same ol cycle nerf, OP new content releases, nerf, repeat, with the HOPE that the new top dog doesn't get to stay that way for too long... or if anyone is actually just fine with this current stay of the game with the HAWK?
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Post by T34 on Oct 17, 2020 1:38:18 GMT -5
The jun is gone. Only in hangers where people can’t run hawks. Two juns in top 10 of LL. It looks like those guys haven’t got or leveled their hawks yet.
Also another accidental bug has been accidentally introduced where it loses stealth altogether at times. Of course it wasn’t deliberate.
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Post by linearblade on Oct 17, 2020 1:49:04 GMT -5
I do not pity Anyone mourning the death If the Ao jun. Itâs over powered and it ruined the game for everyone else for over a year.
「fluffernutter」 that bot and I hope it enjoys its ignoble, shallow grave.
Comparing the hawk to the jun is meaningless, except I. That they only serve the same purpose. To piss off players who run âbalancedâ bots.
Crying over a bot that ignores magical safe space powers makes me laugh, Becsuse all of my bots donât have magical safe space powers, and they get hit full blast regardless
No tears shed, good riddance. Everyone who bought into that overpowered piece of garbage knew exactly what would happen the second they spent any silver, gold , or USD on it.
You donât get to cry over the loss of an absurdly dumb bot when you know it was obscene in the first place.
Count your blessings it lasted so long in the first place.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Oct 17, 2020 9:51:36 GMT -5
The Ao Jun lived a far longer life 「dookie」ting on other bots than it deserved.
Pix has nerfed it to near death so players flock over to the Hawk. Pix isn't doing anything new.
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Post by foxypotato on Oct 17, 2020 10:11:31 GMT -5
The built in flamer still has a faster projectile speed than all other flamers. Its literally the best flamer in the game and its not even a weapon you can equip. Its built into the bot because reasons.
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Post by RightOn on Oct 17, 2020 10:15:29 GMT -5
If the Ao Jun was designed to make the average player better, what would happen if somebody like me, used one in say, Skirmish? Well, it wasn't good for red.
Even after the nerf, it is still the quickest bot relative to highest firepower.
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Post by Koko Bop on Oct 17, 2020 10:17:06 GMT -5
Pretty sure the Ao Jun’s flight time has been nerfed THREE times now - this last one being the nail in the coffin.
Ao Jun or not, nothing to do about Hawk but hide...and y’all used to complain about the Ares trains...just like I complained about the Ao Jun whack-a-mole.
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Post by RightOn on Oct 17, 2020 10:19:14 GMT -5
On subject, what were the worst bots to rule that I did eventually get?
Lance (free 10k gold)
Spectre (pretty sure I had a lot of free comps)
Ares (straight up free)
and that was it. At least Ares could be targeted by anyone, Damage resistance is bull「dookie」above 50% levels.
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Post by Jeb on Oct 17, 2020 10:22:19 GMT -5
Watching Juns fly this morning...that ascent/descent without stealth exposes them sooo much.
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Post by foxypotato on Oct 17, 2020 11:43:39 GMT -5
Watching Juns fly this morning...that ascent/descent without stealth exposes them sooo much. And that's a good thing. Looking forward to seeing some smart Ao Jun play instead of the brainlet stand motionless behind a thing like your afk and then pop up and fly in a circle and then return to thing.
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Oct 17, 2020 12:08:14 GMT -5
If someone thinks Ao Jun suffered too much nerfs, go play Hover in example for a while, and you'll see how Ao Jun is still OP and critically out of balance after all of those so called nerfs... I took Hover as an example because it's completely unprotected while airborne, a complete opposite of Ao Jun which is pretty much untouchable thanks to roughly million of reason,I'll only mention a few later on.
The only way to make Ao Jun close to balanced would be removing it's stealth and inbuilt flamethrower. That would be a nerf, and that woul be good for the game.
I have suffered a year of terrible games and hundreds of destroyed robots just because Pixo made Ao Jun pretty much close to unkillable with next to no skill from players playing it. Ao Jun is a bully bot. I hate it. It's broken, and even when I had a shot at one of them with that damn not alwaysworkingradar, Pixos ãfluffernutterãing lag would save them. 13 out of 15 of my bots have radar installed because of Ao Jun, I think that says enough what kind of impact it has on the game...
Is this in rants? No,I don't play Ao Jun, thanks for asking. Because it's not even playing, that thing plays itself. Imo it's like owning a Porsche and hiring a driver to take you for a joyride, it's stupid. I don't own a Porsche or Ao Jun, only cool kids have those.
So go on ahead and get your 「fluffernutter」ing Hawks to continue supporting this kind of "play" and pixos business.
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Post by RightOn on Oct 17, 2020 23:20:57 GMT -5
If someone thinks Ao Jun suffered too much nerfs, go play Hover in example for a while, and you'll see how Ao Jun is still OP and critically out of balance after all of those so called nerfs... I took Hover as an example because it's completely unprotected while airborne, a complete opposite of Ao Jun which is pretty much untouchable thanks to roughly million of reason,I'll only mention a few later on. The only way to make Ao Jun close to balanced would be removing it's stealth and inbuilt flamethrower. That would be a nerf, and that woul be good for the game. I have suffered a year of terrible games and hundreds of destroyed robots just because Pixo made Ao Jun pretty much close to unkillable with next to no skill from players playing it. Ao Jun is a bully bot. I hate it. It's broken, and even when I had a shot at one of them with that damn not alwaysworkingradar, Pixos ãfluffernutterãing lag would save them. 13 out of 15 of my bots have radar installed because of Ao Jun, I think that says enough what kind of impact it has on the game... Is this in rants? No,I don't play Ao Jun, thanks for asking. Because it's not even playing, that thing plays itself. Imo it's like owning a Porsche and hiring a driver to take you for a joyride, it's stupid. I don't own a Porsche or Ao Jun, only cool kids have those. So go on ahead and get your 「fluffernutter」ing Hawks to continue supporting this kind of "play" and pixos business. Its reign lasted for far too long, nearly 2 years. No other bot ever did that for that long, not in that sense. I guess Leech could surpass that, but it has a while to go. As for where it stands, no, I will still never use one. I am not a fan of stealth bots besides the jumping ones, because jump was so futile anyway. But fighting against it, I can deal with it finally. I still sigh when I see the player hide, rinse repeat, but at least I have more time to hurt them.
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Post by frunobulax on Oct 18, 2020 1:03:03 GMT -5
If someone thinks Ao Jun suffered too much nerfs, go play Hover in example for a while, and you'll see how Ao Jun is still OP and critically out of balance after all of those so called nerfs... I took Hover as an example because it's completely unprotected while airborne, a complete opposite of Ao Jun which is pretty much untouchable thanks to roughly million of reason,I'll only mention a few later on. Hover was never a meta bot, IMO. Ao Jun is OP compared to a Griffin, sure. And probably compared to a Hover. But is it still meta?
I shelved one of my AJs. The Viper one is still very good, but the Avenger one just doesn't have the punch anymore to do anything. Combined nerfs of Ao Jun and Avengers did it in. I guess would still run it if I had levelled Nucleons, but I don't.
And I don't have a Hawk or a Scorpion, btw. Replaced the Ao Jun with an Atomizer Ravana. Ao Jun still has a role in my hangar, but it's no longer the swiss army knife it was.
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Post by Grrrega on Oct 18, 2020 1:26:17 GMT -5
I do not pity Anyone mourning the death If the Ao jun. Itâs over powered and it ruined the game for everyone else for over a year. 「fluffernutter」 that bot and I hope it enjoys its ignoble, shallow grave. Comparing the hawk to the jun is meaningless, except I. That they only serve the same purpose. To piss off players who run âbalancedâ bots. Crying over a bot that ignores magical safe space powers makes me laugh, Becsuse all of my bots donât have magical safe space powers, and they get hit full blast regardless No tears shed, good riddance. Everyone who bought into that overpowered piece of garbage knew exactly what would happen the second they spent any silver, gold , or USD on it. You donât get to cry over the loss of an absurdly dumb bot when you know it was obscene in the first place. Count your blessings it lasted so long in the first place. I would share your opinion if the Hawk was not introduced. When you make a new bot which is the most powerful thing in the game and still nerf bots which are below it just so the gap is even wider it's bad for balance. And yes, introducing Ao Jun was bad for balance in the first place.
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Post by Method Games[YT] on Oct 18, 2020 1:44:40 GMT -5
I am curious if people are just accepting this same ol cycle nerf, OP new content releases, nerf, repeat, with the HOPE that the new top dog doesn't get to stay that way for too long... Yes. It's better the devil you know, until the new re-incarnated devil appears.
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Oct 18, 2020 9:38:37 GMT -5
No one has really mentioned the leech yet. This hawk is a flying leech, with a death ray! I'm surprised there isn't more hate for this thing. I put mine into action today and thought, to hell with dropping the jun from the lineup, I'm putting the jun back and dropping the leech. I feel too dirty to having a leech and a hawk, they're pretty much the same thing except the hawk can attack and get back into safety more easily. I'm glad they nerfed the jun so much now I don't have to feel so bad I have to be careful when using all but one of my bots. Disgusting.
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Post by foxypotato on Oct 18, 2020 10:13:05 GMT -5
If someone thinks Ao Jun suffered too much nerfs, go play Hover in example for a while, and you'll see how Ao Jun is still OP and critically out of balance after all of those so called nerfs... I took Hover as an example because it's completely unprotected while airborne, a complete opposite of Ao Jun which is pretty much untouchable thanks to roughly million of reason,I'll only mention a few later on. The only way to make Ao Jun close to balanced would be removing it's stealth and inbuilt flamethrower. That would be a nerf, and that woul be good for the game. I have suffered a year of terrible games and hundreds of destroyed robots just because Pixo made Ao Jun pretty much close to unkillable with next to no skill from players playing it. Ao Jun is a bully bot. I hate it. It's broken, and even when I had a shot at one of them with that damn not alwaysworkingradar, Pixos ãfluffernutterãing lag would save them. 13 out of 15 of my bots have radar installed because of Ao Jun, I think that says enough what kind of impact it has on the game... Is this in rants? No,I don't play Ao Jun, thanks for asking. Because it's not even playing, that thing plays itself. Imo it's like owning a Porsche and hiring a driver to take you for a joyride, it's stupid. I don't own a Porsche or Ao Jun, only cool kids have those. So go on ahead and get your 「fluffernutter」ing Hawks to continue supporting this kind of "play" and pixos business. I still think that if it had to stow away the weapons in stealth flight then it could still retain the flamer as an ability and could balanced. Be a two heavy brawler or a stealth flight flamer thrower.
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Post by Jeb on Oct 18, 2020 12:45:30 GMT -5
No one has really mentioned the leech yet. This hawk is a flying leech, with a death ray! I'm surprised there isn't more hate for this thing. I put mine into action today and thought, to hell with dropping the jun from the lineup, I'm putting the jun back and dropping the leech. I feel too dirty to having a leech and a hawk, they're pretty much the same thing except the hawk can attack and get back into safety more easily. I'm glad they nerfed the jun so much now I don't have to feel so bad I have to be careful when using all but one of my bots. Disgusting. That's exactly what it is.
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Post by NexusBlade on Oct 18, 2020 12:55:18 GMT -5
No one has really mentioned the leech yet. This hawk is a flying leech, with a death ray! I'm surprised there isn't more hate for this thing. I put mine into action today and thought, to hell with dropping the jun from the lineup, I'm putting the jun back and dropping the leech. I feel too dirty to having a leech and a hawk, they're pretty much the same thing except the hawk can attack and get back into safety more easily. I'm glad they nerfed the jun so much now I don't have to feel so bad I have to be careful when using all but one of my bots. Disgusting. I think if the hawk was like Leech there wouldn't be any valid reason to complain about it, Leech has never become bad, but it's not meta, and never will be again, drones can cover some of it's weaknesses, but there are many better options. And to be frank I want Leech to stay good, it's basically a spectre if spectre wasnt useless, no one is talking about Leech because the Leech is balanced within it's category, and no not being balanced against griffins doesn't count, because that includes most things in the game, the game isnt balanced but leech isnt the big guy anymore, which relegates it to the pseudo meta category.
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Post by Шɑɡɡɪή on Oct 18, 2020 13:18:33 GMT -5
. Really doesn't matter what bot you grind, scrimp, save, or pay $'s for ... sooner or later these PIXO guys will wreck it for you. If not with a stinkin' nerf, then just bury it with new OP stuff.
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Post by The VVatcher on Oct 18, 2020 13:50:09 GMT -5
No one has really mentioned the leech yet. This hawk is a flying leech, with a death ray! I'm surprised there isn't more hate for this thing. I put mine into action today and thought, to hell with dropping the jun from the lineup, I'm putting the jun back and dropping the leech. I feel too dirty to having a leech and a hawk, they're pretty much the same thing except the hawk can attack and get back into safety more easily. I'm glad they nerfed the jun so much now I don't have to feel so bad I have to be careful when using all but one of my bots. Disgusting. I think if the hawk was like Leech there wouldn't be any valid reason to complain about it, Leech has never become bad, but it's not meta, and never will be again, drones can cover some of it's weaknesses, but there are many better options. And to be frank I want Leech to stay good, it's basically a spectre if spectre wasnt useless, no one is talking about Leech because the Leech is balanced within it's category, and no not being balanced against griffins doesn't count, because that includes most things in the game, the game isnt balanced but leech isnt the big guy anymore, which relegates it to the pseudo meta category. Regardless, Leech will still get nerfed. People need to realize that these things are preplanned. Anything that reached meta status were all buffed for profit during release, in rare cases buffed late like the Blitz. Eventually they will join the middle class. Similarly, Ravana isn’t the same since its nerf, it too will receive another nerf down the line. In the same way that Ao Jun did.
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Post by NexusBlade on Oct 18, 2020 14:07:23 GMT -5
I think if the hawk was like Leech there wouldn't be any valid reason to complain about it, Leech has never become bad, but it's not meta, and never will be again, drones can cover some of it's weaknesses, but there are many better options. And to be frank I want Leech to stay good, it's basically a spectre if spectre wasnt useless, no one is talking about Leech because the Leech is balanced within it's category, and no not being balanced against griffins doesn't count, because that includes most things in the game, the game isnt balanced but leech isnt the big guy anymore, which relegates it to the pseudo meta category. Regardless, Leech will still get nerfed. People need to realize that these things are preplanned. Anything that reached meta status were all buffed for profit during release, in rare cases buffed late like the Blitz. Eventually they will join the middle class. Similarly, Ravana isn’t the same since its nerf, it too will receive another nerf down the line. In the same way that Ao Jun did. Oh of course, Leech is still useable, therefore it will be nerfed, War Robots 101.
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Post by heavypiece on Oct 18, 2020 15:35:18 GMT -5
The Ao Jun is still a viable Bot. Good for a few beacons and a Kill or two. I like to keep one in my hanger at all times. I use them to chase down Hawks when ever I get the chance.
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Post by frunobulax on Oct 18, 2020 15:53:36 GMT -5
No one has really mentioned the leech yet. I think if the hawk was like Leech there wouldn't be any valid reason to complain about it, Leech has never become bad, but it's not meta, and never will be again, drones can cover some of it's weaknesses, but there are many better options. Name the better options besides Hawk. My Scourge Leech is perhaps the strongest bot in my lineup now. Played carefully it can survive quite a long time. Viper Ao Jun is better agains titans of course, but against bots? Blitz has lost much of its power with the latest pilot nerf. Gale is strong but can't push agressively for a beacon. Ravana was badly nerfed. Loki was nerfed with the titan Quantum Radar. Phantom? All of these bots are somewhat situational, which is the way it should be.
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Post by mhphakeem on Oct 18, 2020 19:15:23 GMT -5
Soooo, whats the point of the Ao Jun, i feel like it has been beaten senseless into the ground. It doesnt just get utterly wiped across the floor by the Hawk, but with the massive reduction in overall stealth duration (no ascend/descent stealth time) ANY bot can deal insane dmg to the bot DURING its ability. to put the analysis in comparison... (purely in reflection of yet another Ao Jun nerf) AO JUN: BUILT IN WEAPON:::350 range Slow projectile travel speed, requires lead time on on target in a largely glitchy/laggy game, target unintentional teleporting Does not sync well with many weapons that have direct fire/fast project that require on-target accurate tracking, rather than any lead-time ABILITY:::22sec cooldown Flies Stealth Extremely vulnerable when grounded, moderate weapon dmg as only defense 1st nerf, fly speed reduction & built in weapon reduction 2nd nerf, DOA? No stealth during take-off & landing. Overall stealth duration greatly reduced to somewhat laughable duration. was popular because it was available early enough to create a more generalized competitive level to players Despite its available power back in the day, it still took a little skill to stay close enough to target for built in flamethrower, tracking the target with lead-time, AND having weapons that sync well enough with this lead-time requirement so as not to lose a lot of dmg from weapon or built in choice. Conclusion, although they swarmed the maps, they still allowed relatively reachable competitiveness to a much LARGER amount of the gaming population AND in turn had enough weaknesses that still allowed for a pretty good amount of variety to alternative/competitive bot choices... however, whats the point when you have Ao Jun 2.0 that is utterly ridiculous. NO real weaknesses in comparison, except for maybe, "when on the ground" but it has more firepower than Ao Jun even on the ground, AND same exact cooldown time for an ability that is 10x more powerful. HAWK: BUILT IN WEAPON:::500 range Dmg Reduction IGNORING AUTO TARGET LOCKING to within frontal view of player VERY high dmg levels in comparison to ALL bots in-game with comparable abilities can sync with literally any weapon type due to auto lock on ABILITY:::
22sec cooldown Flies 85% dmg reduction (it says "damage blocked" i assume is the same as DR?) 40% reflected dmg Somewhat vulnerable when grounded, but has extensive firepower as defense Hoping this bot receives extreme nerfs. I want to be CLEAR, i was always in the camp of disliking the Ao Jun hordes since its release, but i also was always of the opinion that it offered more competitiveness to a broader audience, as well as had enough weaknesses to keep it in relative balance that other bots still could do well against it. The Hawk is a literal big spender's WET DREAM. Utterly insane built in weapon stats, ability stats, and weapon dmg capability. Still ONLY having the weakness of, "when it lands". Or in the case of any ability bot, "when the ability ends". Basically meta. Meta being, use bot ability, then run away and hid when ability runs out, rinse, repeat, profit? I would love one, but i also acknowledge just how insane this thing is. As fun as it may be to stream roll every bot on the field including TITANS, the facts are, it is stupidly imbalanced, like, in my 4+ years of playing, there has never been anything that has THIS much capability in COMPARISON to the entire game's line-up. Stack some super expensive max drones, add a newly expensive to max out legendary pilot, with maxed out expensive premium modules, and plenty of green crack to spam all day and blamo, you are top of food chain until the next cycle! WOO,... hoo... hmmm... this experience is getting old. lol oops i guess the search for a well balanced, non P2W gaming model is quite the unicorn, something I had hoped 4+ yrs ago that War Robots would be... bummer dude. ========================== TL;DR=========================== I just hate to see something slightly powerful get double nerfed and replaced by something 10x more powerful... the powercreep has become powerflood. Meta? Nah, just drop a few thousand $$$ and by the new top dawg as usual? I am curious if people are just accepting this same ol cycle nerf, OP new content releases, nerf, repeat, with the HOPE that the new top dog doesn't get to stay that way for too long... or if anyone is actually just fine with this current stay of the game with the HAWK? Hello derps, 1) the Ao Jun didn’t really have many weaknesses. Once it’s cool down is up, it’s vulnerable...but then again, so is just about anything. It’s been a very strong bot for a long time. 2) the Hawk, of course, is easy mode (just like once, long ago, specter/okran was easy mode). Some folks are just plain attracted to easy mode, you know? When they play Starcraft, they maphack...when they play Madden football, they pick the Chiefs...when they play counterstrike, they use aim bot...and when they play War Robots, they use American Express. That’s life, my friend...and that’s War Robots. If you’ve been playing this game for four years, you should know the score by now. just do your best vs hawks...in the end, it’s no different than the leech was when it was introduced (or the Ares, or Ao Jun, etc, etc); Stay out of line of sight for a few seconds and wait for the ability to fade, and then resume play. Rinse and repeat. It’s the same way you’ve dealt with any meta bot over the last 1400 days. happy hunting! - MHPhakeem
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Post by NexusBlade on Oct 19, 2020 0:00:41 GMT -5
I think if the hawk was like Leech there wouldn't be any valid reason to complain about it, Leech has never become bad, but it's not meta, and never will be again, drones can cover some of it's weaknesses, but there are many better options. Name the better options besides Hawk. My Scourge Leech is perhaps the strongest bot in my lineup now. Played carefully it can survive quite a long time. Viper Ao Jun is better agains titans of course, but against bots? Blitz has lost much of its power with the latest pilot nerf. Gale is strong but can't push agressively for a beacon. Ravana was badly nerfed. Loki was nerfed with the titan Quantum Radar. Phantom? All of these bots are somewhat situational, which is the way it should be.
Ravana was justly nerfed, Better than Leech without drones, with drones ravana is uniquely vulnerable, and blitz is fine, it went from indisputable best bot in the game to now maybe number 2, jun I can't say for certain, havent been able to play recently because the game is dead, Seen people have a high degree of success with phantoms as well, nightingale is good but I've never really had problems killing them with anything? It buzzes around for a while but then it dies. Scorpion is also a up and coming champ, seen them used very effectively. Leech is good, but it hasnt been the king in a long time, it's been indirectly nerfed over and over again, and when you're playing in champions league and not vs griffins in gold league, an indirect nerf vs a direct nerf is a distinction without a difference, now it did get a direct nerf a bit ago, but it wasn't a meaningful one, 1 second less doesn't really change things that much, it definitely hurt it, but not enough to make it bad. Leech has moderate speed, great firepower, but an increasingly less useful ability, I think it's going to get axed eventually because pix, but I don't see any valid argument for nerfing it.
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Post by frunobulax on Oct 19, 2020 2:27:13 GMT -5
Name the better options besides Hawk. Ravana was justly nerfed, Better than Leech without drones, with drones ravana is uniquely vulnerable, and blitz is fine, it went from indisputable best bot in the game to now maybe number 2, jun I can't say for certain, havent been able to play recently because the game is dead, Seen people have a high degree of success with phantoms as well, nightingale is good but I've never really had problems killing them with anything? It buzzes around for a while but then it dies. Scorpion is also a up and coming champ, seen them used very effectively. Leech is good, but it hasnt been the king in a long time, it's been indirectly nerfed over and over again, Sure, I never claimed that it's better than the other bots. I just don't think it's worse either. If we could somehow morph all Hawks into Destriers, the game would be pretty balanced right now I think.
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Post by NexusBlade on Oct 19, 2020 2:32:26 GMT -5
Ravana was justly nerfed, Better than Leech without drones, with drones ravana is uniquely vulnerable, and blitz is fine, it went from indisputable best bot in the game to now maybe number 2, jun I can't say for certain, havent been able to play recently because the game is dead, Seen people have a high degree of success with phantoms as well, nightingale is good but I've never really had problems killing them with anything? It buzzes around for a while but then it dies. Scorpion is also a up and coming champ, seen them used very effectively. Leech is good, but it hasnt been the king in a long time, it's been indirectly nerfed over and over again, Sure, I never claimed that it's better than the other bots. I just don't think it's worse either. If we could somehow morph all Hawks into Destriers, the game would be pretty balanced right now I think.
Did I say it was worse than everything? Obviously to be good it's broken compared to much older content, but this isnt useful to me, ideally a game wouldn't have this degree of overall imbalance, that is there should be a reason to use a destrier in champions league, but to resolve this would take a massive overhaul, something I would like to see but won't happen, and so I would say Leech is balanced amongst it's peers, its just that it and it's peers are better than a lot of things.
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Post by Luk on Oct 19, 2020 6:59:13 GMT -5
Ravana was justly nerfed, Better than Leech without drones, with drones ravana is uniquely vulnerable, and blitz is fine, it went from indisputable best bot in the game to now maybe number 2, jun I can't say for certain, havent been able to play recently because the game is dead, Seen people have a high degree of success with phantoms as well, nightingale is good but I've never really had problems killing them with anything? It buzzes around for a while but then it dies. Scorpion is also a up and coming champ, seen them used very effectively. Leech is good, but it hasnt been the king in a long time, it's been indirectly nerfed over and over again, Sure, I never claimed that it's better than the other bots. I just don't think it's worse either. If we could somehow morph all Hawks into Destriers, the game would be pretty balanced right now I think.
Morph Hawks into Destriers haha. I would give some of my maxed bots away to see faces of whales when they log into the game and see little cute Destiers instead . I think if you took away the invis pilot for Scorpion and made Hawk have his safety bubble work like Ao Jun stealth is now, plus maybe cut his res from 85 to 80-75. The game balance would look really good. The only thing left would be the near unkillable 2+ maxed Nodles working together.
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Post by mhphakeem on Oct 19, 2020 14:20:53 GMT -5
Sure, I never claimed that it's better than the other bots. I just don't think it's worse either. If we could somehow morph all Hawks into Destriers, the game would be pretty balanced right now I think.
Morph Hawks into Destriers haha. I would give some of my maxed bots away to see faces of whales when they log into the game and see little cute Destiers instead . I think if you took away the invis pilot for Scorpion and made Hawk have his safety bubble work like Ao Jun stealth is now, plus maybe cut his res from 85 to 80-75. The game balance would look really good. The only thing left would be the near unkillable 2+ maxed Nodles working together. Hi Nexus Blade, Do you feel that the Hawk is the most overpowered metabot ever? To me, it just seems like another, garden-variety metabot. No better and no worse. - MHPhakeem
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