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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 15, 2020 7:58:07 GMT -5
#1, start seriously listening to the complaints from (what's left of) the player base, and stop dismissing criticisms as 'toxic'. And I don't mean just say they're listening, I mean really listen to what players like and don't like, and do something about it. #2, take a good, hard, OBJECTIVE look at what's driving players away. That might involve an independent 3rd party, because up until now, in Pix's own mind they can do no wrong.
Any fix is going to require a commitment from Pix and fail.fu to actually fix everything that's wrong with the game, and that includes reversing direction on a LOT of bad decisions made over the last 4+ years. Personally I don't see that happening - I don't think it'd be worth the resources they'd have to dedicate to it for whatever monetary benefit might be left.
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Post by no pain 80 on Oct 15, 2020 8:08:07 GMT -5
They, i mean mail.FU, should buy the other competing games like mech arena, and kill them. Half of my clan members exited the game,or are gone dormant because they found other games more enjoyable ( or tolerable). Me. I did not like mech arena, or BoT. I like War Robots, and i like it because in most part its large, but now dwindling, community. It is like avalanche effect. I am playing less and less ( played 1 game the other day, and 0 game yesterday). I think they, i mean pix, have 3 possible routes to make the game enjoyable again, not in any particular order, they are 1) release more content 2) fix the existing content ( bugs, matchmaking, etc) stabilize the game 3) incenvitize playing with sweet deals, free giveaways and events prizes What i think they should do is (2). What i think pix/mail.FU will do is (1) and (3).
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Post by The VVatcher on Oct 15, 2020 8:14:24 GMT -5
I want to comment on something they are doing behind closed doors that we aren’t seeing: they need to stop being too data driven and start listening to the playerbase or at least get a feel of the climate (like political climate) of the game and start adjusting according to it.
For example they seemed happy with pilot rework because it is achieving the desired data it was designed to do, which is to drive down the number of people switching leveled pilot to robots. While it’s achieving this, it neglects the effect everyone starting up a pilot from the ground up. And while their data will show this later, people have already left the game by the time they notice it. Pilot rework has been one of a few different main reasons paying players are leaving.
In other words, keep staring at that paper with squiggly lines with your thick glasses, and you neglect to notice Akira is engulfing everything around you.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Oct 15, 2020 8:29:41 GMT -5
They need to work on re-gaining our trust.
1. Silent nerfs/buffs, even inadvertent changes MUST stop. Do they go straight from caffeine-laced coding at 2 am to production?
2. The huge weewee smack of making drones -and- chips a gambling center was a STUPID move. Do we gamble for which passive module we get? No. We buy it for what it is and upgrade it knowing the up-front cost. T2 chips can be "collected" over time. T3 and T4 are such an insulting crap-shoot, why bother? So, their bad rollout of drones and chips certainly erodes my trust.
3. You guys are right, cheap stuff would be a distraction. If you don't like the game the way it is now, buying cheap stuff does NOT encourage them to fix what's already been implemented. LET THE WHALES do their thing and spend money regardless. Hopefully the majority of the player base will boycott to some extent. New Titan? Whatever. Not buyin' it. Drones? Meh.
4. I'm not an Ao Jun guy. But! This obvious nerf, nerf, major buff with Legendary Pilot, and oh another nerf for good measure is a Dix move to encourage Hawk sales that hurts my head and again whacks at my trust.
How to steady the ship? QUIT ROCKING THE BOAT! We didn't want better graphics we wanted the existing engine/graphics to work better!
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Post by foxypotato on Oct 15, 2020 10:53:45 GMT -5
Purge everything and start over. Go back to pre dash with remastered and only add is sensible content to preserve game balance while still putting out new content. Abandon the existing player base. We are tainted by the past p2w cycles and now not only expect it but demand it. Get a new player base. Don't screw up thr game this time. Call it Walking War Robots.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 15, 2020 11:48:07 GMT -5
Sell it to a company that cares.
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Post by Garbage game on Oct 15, 2020 11:50:04 GMT -5
When things get nerfed you should be able to sell them for full price. You still get to eat our time for upgrades but at least the Ag investment wasn’t a complete and angering waste. Hearthstone (Blizzard run) does this.
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Post by RightOn on Oct 15, 2020 12:35:53 GMT -5
Create a whole new game mode capped to level 8 without modules, Titans, drones, or pilots
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 15, 2020 12:47:30 GMT -5
When things get nerfed you should be able to sell them for full price. You still get to eat our time for upgrades but at least the Ag investment wasn’t a complete and angering waste. Hearthstone (Blizzard run) does this. Well maybe not full price, but nerf or not, you should be able to sell ANYTHING, anytime back for half-price of the ORIGINAL currency.
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Post by RightOn on Oct 15, 2020 12:49:49 GMT -5
Besides lag and bugs...The biggest problem for me are titans. I have 15 robots I like to play atm,but they're all next to useless as soon as the first high level titan drops,like 3 or 4 minutes into the game. So basically, I can play 1 of my bots per game in that 3 or 4 minutes window, after that, it's titan wars and if i don't drop my titan, i can only loose all my bots in a futile attempt to damage a titan. So my list of fixes would be 1. Fix bugs and lag 2. Nerf titans or buff everything else so regular bots aren't just files that titan can smash like a lvl 1 cossack 3. Game economy needs to be built from scratch 4. Improve the MM, make leagues more hangar power based I guess that's a start Finally. I always said gear discrepancy was the main drawback, but lately Titans just bore the ever piss out of me. If I don't even want to play with them...I certainly don't care to play against them either.
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Post by Grrrega on Oct 15, 2020 12:59:40 GMT -5
1. Give every player 5000 gold, 100M silver, 1000Pt, 10000PCs and an apology.
2. Drop every weapon, robot, titan, drone you are working on and leave it be for 12 months. Minimum.
3. Erase drones. Give back players all resources they used on drones.
4. Start working on bugs, aiming, lag, MM
5. Cut upgrade costs and time in half. Forever.
6. Start treating your players with respect.
7. Think about revisiting point 1
Do that for a year and I might trust you again.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 15, 2020 13:54:17 GMT -5
1. Give every player 5000 gold, 100M silver, 1000Pt, 10000PCs and an apology. 2. Drop every weapon, robot, titan, drone you are working on and leave it be for 12 months. Minimum. 3. Erase drones. Give back players all resources they used on drones. 4. Start working on bugs, aiming, lag, MM 5. Cut upgrade costs and time in half. Forever. 6. Start treating your players with respect. 7. Think about revisiting point 1 Do that for a year and I might trust you again. All this, plus maybe remove freeze, suppression, and lockdown weapons and abilities. It's a shoot-em-up game - lose anything and everything that makes you unable to do what the 「fluffernutter」ing game was intended to do. Shields are ok - they eventually get worn down, so they can stay. But all the other magical fantasy crap has to go. #6 though might just be the most important, all-inclusive thing they could do. Because right now and for as long as I can remember they clearly don't.
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Post by T34 on Oct 15, 2020 17:01:10 GMT -5
We are all misguided in this thread. They dont care. They just doubled down with the nerfings to drive more revenue. Pix will do anything they can get away with to generate revenue.
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Post by mhphakeem on Oct 15, 2020 17:11:00 GMT -5
***Let's keep this clean with our recommendations*** So things are obliviously not going well with the game. I can say from personal experience that players aren't spending like they used to. Daily/Monthly Average Users may still be acceptable but they're definitely down. They've quite possibly ended the event early to accelerate the release of Remastered. Although this an educated assumption and I may be wrong. What do you guys recommend pixonic do to correct the ship? And keep in mind, we're talking about pixonic, so it's got to be within reason. They're not going to cut prices by 75% for the next month. They're not going to give out leveled Minos titans as a reward for playing. Although, I do think we'll see some big bargains in the next couple months. For starters.... Gold has become the bane of many players existence. Whether it's for pilot skills or for power cells. Make Gold an affordable more easily earned commodity and it would be a huge sign of good faith. And this is something I'd like to see, next damn week. If I saw some 2000 Au deals for $0.99 every other day, then I'd start second guessing my slow but inevitable departure from this game. And I thing that 「dookie」 is reasonable. Hi Joopiter, I’ve played the game for a few years, and my feeling is that the ship is pretty steady. I don’t think they should make gold easier to get - particularly if the gold is for power cells. People sure are impatient (at least it seems that way to me) to “power up”, - MHPhakeem
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Post by mhphakeem on Oct 15, 2020 17:22:29 GMT -5
We are all misguided in this thread. They dont care. They just doubled down with the nerfings to drive more revenue. Pix will do anything they can get away with to generate revenue. Hello T34! Actually, there of been many posts about how overpowered the Ao Jun has been - lo and behold, it’s been nerfed (again)! What I’m saying is, it’s probably hard to make everyone happy… But many of the nerfs probably make lots of people happy. ditto the nerfs on French Ao Mings; Lots of players were complaining about how dominant those things were… And presto! It’s been nerfed and the developers have listened. I’m confused about how bitter people are about a business seeking to increase its revenue, lol. Do you folks get angry at Sony or Apple or Activision Or Exxon Mobil etc, etc? I can tell you for certain that they also do everything they can to increase their revenue, because that’s life. - MHPhakeem
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 15, 2020 17:25:27 GMT -5
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Post by punishingcossack on Oct 15, 2020 17:36:09 GMT -5
let's start a poll to guess after how many posts this thread is gonna get locked by an admin
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 15, 2020 17:40:24 GMT -5
let's start a poll to guess after how many posts this thread is gonna get locked by an admin I mean, it's pretty civil so far... I'm just a little curious of whether it's stan or phil... or igor? Either way... a paycheck signed by Pixo is what I'm going with.
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Post by punishingcossack on Oct 15, 2020 17:42:28 GMT -5
let's start a poll to guess after how many posts this thread is gonna get locked by an admin I mean, it's pretty civil so far... I'm just a little curious of whether it's stan or phil... or igor? Either way... a paycheck signed by Pixo is what I'm going with. yea, instead of spending money on, ya know, fixing their 「fluffernutter」ing game, they're paying an employee or a paid actor to come sing pixo's praises
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Post by Replicant on Oct 15, 2020 18:01:56 GMT -5
Most of the 「bum-bum chapeau」tery could be resolved by fixing the MM. Here's a short list: 1.) Rank each player in the match by league score. Award league points based on how each player's honor points earned in the match rank vs. their relative league score rank. Gaining more honor than an equal ranked player would award a small number of points (e.g. 1 pt per opponent of the same rank who scored fewer honor points in the match). Gaining more honor than a lower ranked player would give little to no league points and gaining more honor than a higher ranked player would give increasingly large amounts of league points. A Gold ranked player who scored more honor points than a Champion should see an increase in their league points of say 100+ pts. The converse should also be true: scoring fewer honor points than a Higher ranked player should have little or no impact on your league score while scoring fewer honor points than a lower ranked player should have significant negative impact on your league score.
This would move the MM closer to an ELO-like system and would significantly reduce the need to reset league scores at the end of a season. Points awarded in a match with all participants in the same league would result in +/-11 points with a net point aware of 0.
2.) The game needs a stealth "under-dog" buff when it can't create a balanced match. This is not about balancing equipment, its about the problems created by matching Champs with Gold. If the MM is pulling from more than one full league (e.g. pulling experts in to Champ), the underdog should have his speed, health and damage buffed. I'm not sure on the speed buff, but to give a rough idea damage should be roughly +10% per league difference greater than one league, and health should be roughly +6%. Buffed bots should be ignored when assigning league points.
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Post by mhphakeem on Oct 15, 2020 18:04:54 GMT -5
I mean, it's pretty civil so far... I'm just a little curious of whether it's stan or phil... or igor? Either way... a paycheck signed by Pixo is what I'm going with. yea, instead of spending money on, ya know, fixing their 「fluffernutter」ing game, they're paying an employee or a paid actor to come sing pixo's praises hello and well met punishingcossack! I just think it’s a pretty good game, and the changes don’t really bother me. Some of the gear that has been over powered got nerfed a bit. Does that bother me? No, not really. I don’t have a lot of gear that is meta, so I’m fine w/ it. some new, slightly over powered stuff has been introduced. Does that bother me? No, not really… Because that’s the way the game has always been. It’s been that way for years, so it’s slightly weird for folks to get outraged about it like it’s something new. * shrugs* - MHPhakeem
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Post by mhphakeem on Oct 15, 2020 18:11:45 GMT -5
Most of the 「bum-bum chapeau」tery could be resolved by fixing the MM. Here's a short list: 1.) Rank each player in the match by league score. Award league points based on how each player's honor points earned in the match rank vs. their relative league score rank. Gaining more honor than an equal ranked player would award a small number of points (e.g. 1 pt per opponent of the same rank who scored fewer honor points in the match). Gaining more honor than a lower ranked player would give little to no league points and gaining more honor than a higher ranked player would give increasingly large amounts of league points. A Gold ranked player who scored more honor points than a Champion should see an increase in their league points of say 100+ pts. The converse should also be true: scoring fewer honor points than a Higher ranked player should have little or no impact on your league score while scoring fewer honor points than a lower ranked player should have significant negative impact on your league score. This would move the MM closer to an ELO-like system and would significantly reduce the need to reset league scores at the end of a season. Points awarded in a match with all participants in the same league would result in +/-11 points with a net point aware of 0. 2.) The game needs a stealth "under-dog" buff when it can't create a balanced match. This is not about balancing equipment, its about the problems created by matching Champs with Gold. If the MM is pulling from more than one full league (e.g. pulling experts in to Champ), the underdog should have his speed, health and damage buffed. I'm not sure on the speed buff, but to give a rough idea damage should be roughly +10% per league difference greater than one league, and health should be roughly +6%. Buffed bots should be ignored when assigning league points. Ahoy my friend! i have never seen a gold league player matched up in game w/ champion league players. I believe the phenomenon that you are citing either never happens, or very very very rarely happens. A statistical outlier, at most. respectfully, MHPhakeem
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Post by spectre729 on Oct 15, 2020 18:12:42 GMT -5
if enough people went on a strike for a long time, maybe they will noticed...
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Post by mhphakeem on Oct 15, 2020 18:22:27 GMT -5
if enough people went on a strike for a long time, maybe they will noticed... Hiya spectre729, yes, a concerted and protracted strike would work... ...and then we could all migrate to a DIFFERENT game! A game where the developers aren’t focused on making money, but are instead driven by a fierce desire to satisfy their player base (revenues be damned). A game where upgrades happen wayyyy faster. A game where in-game currency rains from skies and the only nerfs occur to other people (but not us!). a game where everything is easier and faster and free. * salutes*
-MHPhakeem
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Post by punishingcossack on Oct 15, 2020 18:27:53 GMT -5
if enough people went on a strike for a long time, maybe they will noticed... Hiya spectre729, yes, a concerted and protracted strike would work... ...and then we could all migrate to a DIFFERENT game! A game where the developers aren’t focused on making money, but are instead driven by a fierce desire to satisfy their player base (revenues be damned). A game where upgrades happen wayyyy faster. A game where in-game currency rains from skies and the only nerfs occur to other people (but not us!). a game where everything is easier and faster and free. * salutes*
-MHPhakeem en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
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Post by mhphakeem on Oct 15, 2020 18:34:05 GMT -5
Hiya spectre729, yes, a concerted and protracted strike would work... ...and then we could all migrate to a DIFFERENT game! A game where the developers aren’t focused on making money, but are instead driven by a fierce desire to satisfy their player base (revenues be damned). A game where upgrades happen wayyyy faster. A game where in-game currency rains from skies and the only nerfs occur to other people (but not us!). a game where everything is easier and faster and free. * salutes*
-MHPhakeem en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum Hello again spectre729, Of course, I was just kidding around my friend. I mean, it’s very difficult to go “on strike” when we’re playing a free game. * fistbump* - MHPhakeem
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Post by Replicant on Oct 15, 2020 18:37:15 GMT -5
Most of the 「bum-bum chapeau」tery could be resolved by fixing the MM. Here's a short list: 1.) Rank each player in the match by league score. Award league points based on how each player's honor points earned in the match rank vs. their relative league score rank. Gaining more honor than an equal ranked player would award a small number of points (e.g. 1 pt per opponent of the same rank who scored fewer honor points in the match). Gaining more honor than a lower ranked player would give little to no league points and gaining more honor than a higher ranked player would give increasingly large amounts of league points. A Gold ranked player who scored more honor points than a Champion should see an increase in their league points of say 100+ pts. The converse should also be true: scoring fewer honor points than a Higher ranked player should have little or no impact on your league score while scoring fewer honor points than a lower ranked player should have significant negative impact on your league score. This would move the MM closer to an ELO-like system and would significantly reduce the need to reset league scores at the end of a season. Points awarded in a match with all participants in the same league would result in +/-11 points with a net point aware of 0. 2.) The game needs a stealth "under-dog" buff when it can't create a balanced match. This is not about balancing equipment, its about the problems created by matching Champs with Gold. If the MM is pulling from more than one full league (e.g. pulling experts in to Champ), the underdog should have his speed, health and damage buffed. I'm not sure on the speed buff, but to give a rough idea damage should be roughly +10% per league difference greater than one league, and health should be roughly +6%. Buffed bots should be ignored when assigning league points. Ahoy my friend! i have never seen a gold league player matched up in game w/ champion league players. I believe the phenomenon that you are citing either never happens, or very very very rarely happens. A statistical outlier, at most. respectfully, MHPhakeem It shouldn't ever happen, but it certainly does during periods of low activity. I've been on both ends of that match up on Steam and formerly FB Gameroom. The most egregious match-ups I personally experienced on iOS were Champions vs. Diamonds. Is there a particular reason you're dismissive of the problem? Or have I found another troll to feed?
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Post by mhphakeem on Oct 15, 2020 18:43:04 GMT -5
Ahoy my friend! i have never seen a gold league player matched up in game w/ champion league players. I believe the phenomenon that you are citing either never happens, or very very very rarely happens. A statistical outlier, at most. respectfully, MHPhakeem It shouldn't ever happen, but it certainly does during periods of low activity. I've been on both ends of that match up on Steam and formerly FB Gameroom. The most egregious match-ups I personally experienced on iOS were Champions vs. Diamonds. Is there a particular reason you're dismissive of the problem? Or have I found another troll to feed? ‘hello replicant, I was merely saying that I have never, ever seen this scenario occur (outside of squad matches, where anything goes). It seemed a little odd to me to complain about something that is a statistical outlier and occurs very rarely. I was just making an observation, really. - MHPhakeem
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Post by spectre729 on Oct 15, 2020 18:48:04 GMT -5
Hello again spectre729, Of course, I was just kidding around my friend. I mean, it’s very difficult to go “on strike” when we’re playing a free game. * fistbump* - MHPhakeem they have a very large player base...haiya
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Post by integeritis on Oct 15, 2020 18:59:10 GMT -5
The price of the content no longer matters. That ship sailed long ago. The new content is here and the damage is done. This is no longer a rock-paper-scissors game.
You have a rock but now your rock wields scissors and has a pile of papers in its backpack just in case it happens to face off against a paper or other rocks.
Everything can be used against everything and it takes away the satisfaction of facing an enemy who is highly vulnerable to you, or when you are trying to run away and outsmart him when the enemy respawns back bringing his perfect counter against your build.
Plasma - ancile Rocket - shield Kinetic - ancile and shield
The game peeked for me when the only thing you had to optimise is having multiple bots against every kind of enemy shielding while maximising your hangarâs shield efficiency as well. Having a long range hangar. Even during the Pursuer release I was having a lot of fun with Dash. Then came lockdown and Pantheons, Boosters, Modules, New Economy. They were definitely a downhill, but since the release of Titans the added so many thing, it is not a simple downhill, it is a 「fluffernutter」ing vertical slide on the walls of Grand Canyon all the way to the bottom.
They canât fix it, theyâd had to remove too many things.
You can stop your fall till a certain inclination limit, but as soon as the inclination goes through that limit you wonât be able to stop yourself, you will keep rolling until you are at the bottom. Pixonic selected a too steep path, and they fell. The process can not be stopped because they donât have control over it anymore.
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