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Post by Joopiter on Oct 14, 2020 19:44:32 GMT -5
***Let's keep this clean with our recommendations*** So things are obliviously not going well with the game. I can say from personal experience that players aren't spending like they used to. Daily/Monthly Average Users may still be acceptable but they're definitely down. They've quite possibly ended the event early to accelerate the release of Remastered. Although this an educated assumption and I may be wrong. What do you guys recommend pixonic do to correct the ship? And keep in mind, we're talking about pixonic, so it's got to be within reason. They're not going to cut prices by 75% for the next month. They're not going to give out leveled Minos titans as a reward for playing. Although, I do think we'll see some big bargains in the next couple months. For starters.... Gold has become the bane of many players existence. Whether it's for pilot skills or for power cells. Make Gold an affordable more easily earned commodity and it would be a huge sign of good faith. And this is something I'd like to see, next damn week. If I saw some 2000 Au deals for $0.99 every other day, then I'd start second guessing my slow but inevitable departure from this game. And I thing that 「dookie」 is reasonable.
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Post by punishingcossack on Oct 14, 2020 19:49:05 GMT -5
There's a lot of rot and greed at pixo, and they need a massive overhaul of management, and their business approach. The ship has sprung way too many leaks for it to be salvageable, so the only way to turn things around is to launch a new ship w/ a new captain and crew. From a technical standpoint, their codebase is clearly 「dookie」 w/ way too many dependencies, which makes it a nightmare to work with. They are incapable of releasing new features w/o breaking a bunch of pre-existing ones. The fact that they do this repeatedly means that they have 「dookie」 test coverage, or they just don't write tests for new features, or they just don't care that they break a whole bunch of tests. This is probably due to a combination of management pushing unreasonable deadlines, and bad culture. It's possible to rewrite the entire codebase and improve it, but it requires devoting lots of work and buy-in from the top. See here: engineering.fb.com/data-infrastructure/messenger/. The difference between Facebook and Pixo is that FB has lots of resources and manpower, and Messenger is widely used no matter what. This obviously doesn't apply to War Robots. So in summary, what they should do is this:
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Post by punishingcossack on Oct 14, 2020 19:56:06 GMT -5
Gold has become the bane of many players existence. Whether it's for pilot skills or for power cells. Make Gold an affordable more easily earned commodity and it would be a huge sign of good faith. And this is something I'd like to see, next damn week. If I saw some 2000 Au deals for $0.99 every other day, then I'd start second guessing my slow but inevitable departure from this game. And I thing that 「dookie」 is reasonable. if I were you, I would avoid changing your opinion b/c of deals. Nice deals don't address the inherent problems.
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Post by Jeb on Oct 14, 2020 20:13:56 GMT -5
Stability, stability, stability. All hands on deck for bug fixes and code optimization/replacement. Can't get excited for a game that doesn't work.
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Post by Pulse Hadron on Oct 14, 2020 20:23:51 GMT -5
I don’t think there’s anything they can do. The incompetence of this remastered thing shows how clueless they are. But if some other team were to take over they could do, well, the basic obvious stuff: a UI that isn’t clunky AF, competent coders that don’t make more bugs than features they add, don’t release an app that isn’t nearly finished. Also to combat the missing players give people 10 seconds to drop a bot or auto-drop one for them, track and sequester people that still refuse to play, and don’t incentivize losing with an ad. Oh yeah, they would get a respectable ad provider. They would get a PR manager that actually attempts to communicate what’s going on.
What Pix does have the competence to do now is to revert remastered back to the regular app, or at least put the ‘you have to update’ notice in the regular app so that waiting times for battle aren’t 4 minutes. Or never; when I play late at night I can’t get a battle at all.
I feel this game is dead, like literally dead at night when no battle will start, and I imagine this is what it’ll be like when they eventually turn the servers off.
OK, back on topic, what can Pix do? I’m not sure. I think they’re doing their best, it’s just their best is to build on a shakier and shakier foundation.
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Post by Joopiter on Oct 14, 2020 20:27:10 GMT -5
Gold has become the bane of many players existence. Whether it's for pilot skills or for power cells. Make Gold an affordable more easily earned commodity and it would be a huge sign of good faith. And this is something I'd like to see, next damn week. If I saw some 2000 Au deals for $0.99 every other day, then I'd start second guessing my slow but inevitable departure from this game. And I thing that 「dookie」 is reasonable. if I were you, I would avoid changing your opinion b/c of deals. Nice deals don't address the inherent problems. I'm not taking about a few deals. I said change the gold economy to roughly 17% of the current cost. PERMANENTLY, sheeesh. This fixes two of our current painful thorns in our sides. Pilots. Power Cells. Both are an unecessary segment of the game that I would suppose are gravy for pixonics revenue makeup. So letting them live is fine, just cut the players' requirements by 1/5. 1/2 won't change people's minds, it needs to be a number that says "omg we know we've been taking advantage and can live with" 1/5 or 17% of what we've been charging you. Pix still makes money, the game still costs something but it's reasonable.
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Post by T34 on Oct 14, 2020 20:37:20 GMT -5
I reckon in order 1. Bug fixes 2. sweeteners in forms of giveaways or deals 3. match making
Without a recovery action this is not looking good.
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Post by The VVatcher on Oct 14, 2020 20:38:56 GMT -5
The obvious solution is to fix the matchmaker but since we are talking about staying within reason, this is not going to happen. They’ve dug themselves a hole here with the imbalance and introduction of drones, titans, and modules.
Balance should also be obvious but I don’t see them doing this either, except for their typical rebalancing of meta cycles. They will always release overpowered stuff. This is where they get their big revenue and will continue to do this.
I think they can backtrack the pilot rework and give us relief in the gold spending. And they can lower the silver costs too. These are possible within reason. But what we most likely might see first is generous events that gives out more free stuff through gambling. This fits more their M.O. Unfortunately, this will saturate the game with op stuff faster.
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Post by Heishiro on Oct 14, 2020 20:57:59 GMT -5
Fix the 「dookie」 targeting system.
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Post by cookieDad on Oct 14, 2020 21:17:24 GMT -5
I reckon in order 1. Bug fixes 2. sweeteners in forms of giveaways or deals 3. match making Without a recovery action this is not looking good. Agreed, but I wish to add 1. Bug fixes: stop your developers releasing new stuff, and use this manpower to fix bugs. The speed in which Pix is release new meta makes people wary of investing and leveling their hangar. You just cannot keep up, so ultimately you just don't care and give up. Meaning also give up spending.
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Post by OU812? on Oct 14, 2020 21:22:00 GMT -5
Here are some ideas that would bring back veteran players and help Pixonic attract and retain new players.
Both would increase the player base and potentially Pix’s bottom line.
1. Lesson the silver requirements of the New Economy. If youâve played long enough you remember when Pix instituted the new economy that dramatically increased the silver requirements for upgrading bots and weapons. Those requirements are so high it made some players leave and appears as a staggering obstacle to new players.
It also doesn't help that with the massive power creep in the game most bots are just cannon fodder for Titans and the OP bots that we are starting to see. Why bother paying regularly for premium? Maybe I am wrong, but Iâm done with that. No need to build expensive targets for Pixonic.
2. Address the power-creep. What started with the dash-bot era has only continued and accelerated. Lloyd was prophetic. I can’t be the only player whoseâs disheartened and fed up watching heavily leveled bots and weapons rendered useless by new content that out-powers it ridiculously. This causes players to quit and leave the game.
3. Quit nerf hammering content. The latest round of nerfs were beyond the pale. Many of us felt the effects of Pixonicâs actions within our own hangers. I had only started moving to tasers for a few months after the significant nerfs to shotties to then watch Pix nerf tasers AND the cryo weapons that had only been released last fall. Now thereâs rumors that too many of us are holding on to our beloved AJs so theyâre bound to get another significant nerf to discourage us from using them.
4. Slow down on the release of new content. At least if youâre bound and determined to sell power. Read point two again.
5. Do not get me started on the changes to the pilot system...
I fully understand that this is Pixonic’s game and they are a business that needs to make $$$, BUT Pixo has been far too manipulative of the game and player base for far too long. A forum member several months ago called it right that Pix was bent on killing the ‘golden goose’. We’ve been flogged for cash so often......
Pix may seriously need to rethink their business strategy as they may have taken power-selling as far as it can go. It is telling that such a significant amount of whales and veterans have up and left the game. Especially considering the time and $$$ they devoted to the game.
Here is the thing though. I am beginning to become convinced that Pix is a one trick pony. Selling power is it for them. Re「illegitimate child」 is their attempt to lure new players and maybe keep existing players with prettier graphics.
But ALL THAT GLITTERS IS NOT GOLD.
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Post by hi5 on Oct 14, 2020 21:30:09 GMT -5
Hard to give tangible advice without user data like atrophy, average weekly spend, new user additions, etc.
I’d recommend getting remastered up to spec fast and incentivize migration (10k Au gift) - a split base is really bad for matching. Re-engage inactive users with more generous “come back” gifts. Community outreach on social, Reddit, here to promote engagement activities and offer new contests. Simplify drones - it’s too confusing and turning off users rather than enticing spend. Take steps to reward longterm players - even just a limited edition skin.
Share a roadmap of planned new content/features AND gameplay fixes - add a reload button, fix targeting, kill the bugs. Relentless dev focus on new content has come at the expense of basic keep the lights on work to retain users.
It’s clear they have committed budget to remastered so they’re not looking to sunset the game soon. So they’ll need to do some corrective action with players. The size and reqs for remastered could prove a difficult entry point for new users so keeping a healthy population is key til it gets established.
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Post by Poopface on Oct 14, 2020 21:31:50 GMT -5
The solution: buy a DeLorean
Keep War Robots going as-is with all the current 「dookie」; call it War Robots: Ultra or some 「dookie」 like that. War Robots: Ultra will allow the P2W types to continue playing and crushing players. It will allow Pix to get all that cash out of those willing to pay and will also allow them to test all kinds of new crap.
Release War Robots: Classic, a game where they froze War Robots in time after the Western mechs and Dashes came out but were balanced/tuned. From that point forward re-evaluate everything they did and slow down the release timer such that stuff comes out quarterly, not every month. That gives people incentive to play, will revitalize the playerbase, and will reinvigorate things. The slower pace will allow the company to reevaluate their lousy decision making, allow for product tuning and testing, allow for lesser inflated stats for new gear although some is understandable and expected. Because the pace is slower the company can get back to fostering lost goodwill with the community, bug fixing, and correcting wrongs (like ruined spider mechs and redesigning old and loved mechs).
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Post by Happy Fun Ball on Oct 14, 2020 21:32:33 GMT -5
A) Roll back pilot model or make it so gold is readily available to promote pilots and change skills on pilots, B) Stop all new content until game mechanics have been resolved (lag, remastered, targeting, reload button), C) Limit new content to every 3-4 months as Pix promised at one point. It feels like a treadmill playing this game... let players catch their breath. Limit new content to only one or two items and don’t make them so op that everything else is pushed aside. The current model unsustainable and lead to even greater imbalance as time goes on D) Bring back the original operations pass rewards. Pix built up some good will with it (lots of stuff for nominal money assuming people played a decent amount). All operations passes after that were clearly exercises in seeing how little they could give out in rewards while still maintaining revenue E) Give everyone some free stuff once and a while to build good will. How about giving out one of the new sniper guns at M1/L8? Since most things need to be paired, giving out one doesn’t change things as far as revenue that much, people can try them out and see if they like them. F) Get rid off upgraded times. It is just annoying.
The overall impression I have is that everything is revenue driven for the moment and they don’t care about the players so long as the money keeps rolling in. They try and squeeze people as much as they can (price tokens very high for little in the way of good items, keep shrinking rewards for ops pass, etc.) and they don’t fix known problems in the game because it doesn’t directly generate revenue. They may have to file quarterly earnings reports but always thinking about the now has really hurt them.
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Post by cheap on Oct 14, 2020 21:35:20 GMT -5
fix bugs mainly Targeting(driving me crazy)
bring back WS 1.0 when you could actually aquire Bots or Gear at a reasonable speed
fix Econ. in no way should a Light weapon cost the same as the Heavy version to upgrade.
get rid of DR
adjust HP to robot classes ex. Phantom,Blitz,Skorp and such should have the least amount or comparable to a stalker.
「dookie」 .... there is to much to list...
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Post by diddlydums on Oct 14, 2020 21:36:45 GMT -5
Reduce silver costs for upgrades of bots and weapons. (50%) Reduce upgrade time. (50%) Reduce pilot and skills costs by 75%.
This would give players the chance to upgrade a bot or weapon and try it out without the fear that The nerf hammer will hit it before they even get it into play. I have so many bots and weapons in storage that I would love to try but don’t dare put the time and resources into them because I am trying to predict which one will go the longest without getting nerfed. I made a good choice with my Phantom, a bad choice with my Ravana and a monstrously bad choice selling my Ao Jun eons ago because there was no way something that overpowered would last more than a month or two.
And fix the lag.
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Post by Browncoats4ever on Oct 14, 2020 21:45:21 GMT -5
Fix targeting. Roll back Pilot to pre-rework and refund all gold spent on Pilots since the rework. Pull Drones out of the game and reimburse all gold and RM spent on said abomination. Fix the spider climbing bug.
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Post by Happy Fun Ball on Oct 14, 2020 22:06:08 GMT -5
They should immediately announce that the new Titan and the sound guns are on hold until the mechanical problems of the game are fixed. Should have had that in my post. That would be an excellent sign to people they are serious about things.
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Post by NexusBlade on Oct 14, 2020 22:20:11 GMT -5
Anything that would be considered "reasonable for pixonic" is going to be too little too late and woefully inadequate, you gave some hyperbolic takes as to what they obviously wouldn't do... but frankly, they should do those things.
Massive sales, free 「dookie」, and a massive restructuring of the game is the LEAST they can do, nothing else will cut it. This downward trend is NOT new, and it WILL continue unless pix does something drastic, period.
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Post by Sgt. Beacon on Oct 14, 2020 22:22:45 GMT -5
When I first read the question. The first thing that popped into head was.an animated gif of a firing squad. Everything HFB said. Start fixing things. Don't you dare add a 「fluffernutter」ing thing until you at least fix some of the old problems; lag,targeting, etc... Try reducing the price of premium. No. Actually, put the amount of silver earned to the older standard. And while your at it put back the old level up times(lomg, 「fluffernutter」ing 4-5 days or more. Eat me).
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Oct 14, 2020 22:55:31 GMT -5
Besides lag and bugs...The biggest problem for me are titans. I have 15 robots I like to play atm,but they're all next to useless as soon as the first high level titan drops,like 3 or 4 minutes into the game. So basically, I can play 1 of my bots per game in that 3 or 4 minutes window, after that, it's titan wars and if i don't drop my titan, i can only loose all my bots in a futile attempt to damage a titan.
So my list of fixes would be
1. Fix bugs and lag 2. Nerf titans or buff everything else so regular bots aren't just files that titan can smash like a lvl 1 cossack 3. Game economy needs to be built from scratch 4. Improve the MM, make leagues more hangar power based
I guess that's a start
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Post by ◢î╧î◣ on Oct 14, 2020 23:01:31 GMT -5
***Let's keep this clean with our recommendations*** So things are obliviously not going well with the game. I can say from personal experience that players aren't spending like they used to. Daily/Monthly Average Users may still be acceptable but they're definitely down. They've quite possibly ended the event early to accelerate the release of Remastered. Although this an educated assumption and I may be wrong. What do you guys recommend pixonic do to correct the ship? And keep in mind, we're talking about pixonic, so it's got to be within reason. They're not going to cut prices by 75% for the next month. They're not going to give out leveled Minos titans as a reward for playing. Although, I do think we'll see some big bargains in the next couple months. For starters.... Gold has become the bane of many players existence. Whether it's for pilot skills or for power cells. Make Gold an affordable more easily earned commodity and it would be a huge sign of good faith. And this is something I'd like to see, next damn week. If I saw some 2000 Au deals for $0.99 every other day, then I'd start second guessing my slow but inevitable departure from this game. And I thing that 「dookie」 is reasonable. This is a great question. We have to first address some facts. 1. DIXO owns the platform and is entitled to do what ever they want as a private company. 2. We may not agree with how they do business but it is still their business to do as they wish. We as the customers F2P or not all take part in and contribute to a virtual economy. 3. It is a personal choice to play or not play. In my opinion, the lack of communication and no transparency on checks and balances within this virtual economy is the crux of many of our players issues. In its attempt to fund expansion of its platform on the backs of its player base it has initiated death by a thousand cuts. Maybe a calculated risk maybe not. As I stated in a previous post, the remastered technically is a successful operation but it came at the expense (demise) of the player base that is currently demoralized and feels cheated. This is now trust issue. The first step towards anything at the 30k feet level is to open a genuine line of communication between DIXO and leaders of our communities. We have great clan leaders, mine is awesome. Our clan leaders are extremely dedicated people and care about its members and I am sure they would be open to forming leadership representatives for each region and platform to represent us. DIXO also has to show up in good faith, meaning a decision maker, not a developer or someone who enjoys the circle jerk. A real dialogue to develop a bilateral plan for an immediate action plan that restores faith and integrity in the game. Once this is achieved both sides can mutually grow the platform with real input that is not built on a test server mushroom farm. A private Discord room would be sufficient to get things started. There is no one action or promotional discount that will address the entirety of our current situation. It will require small prudent steps that gradually restores faith in DIXO and its business practices. I love this game, it has been a part of my daily life for over 6 years and I really enjoy playing with all of you. It would be a shame to not be able to enjoy this game anymore. If we don’t address the real issues with difficult conversations, we will just keep kicking the can down the road and we will be back here with the next update.
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Post by moses on Oct 15, 2020 0:03:53 GMT -5
Slow down - with everything. Constant material shifts in multiple aspects of the game at once are making it impossible to play.
It is impossible to Test and Learn from changes if you cannot isolate the effects of specific changes. So basically they need to let some proper, capable game developers start making the executive decisions again and get the crazy, money hungry monkey pressing random big red buttons out of the control room.
While they are at it, probably should clean up the masses of excrement that the monkey has been throwing all over the place too.
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Post by bravex on Oct 15, 2020 4:50:36 GMT -5
When I read the title I thought OP was talking about Carrier and then I was like "Oh. The metaphorical ship."
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Post by Spicy Jones on Oct 15, 2020 5:41:08 GMT -5
Fixing the game's core issues like targeting, lag, bugs etc. instead of coming up with ways to stick their fingers in all our wallets.
STOP adding new features. Honestly.
I would've been fine if Pixonic just stopped shoving new bots/weapons/modules and drones down our throats, stabilized the gameplay and just LEFT it alone, I would still probably be an occasional spender. Now they're getting nothing from me and obviously many others.
Then they have the nerve to tell us that all this game breaking trash is what we asked for when we all know damn well the majority of the player base gives them negative feedback on their latest hairbrained schemes. We all know damn well they don't read the surveys we fill out. We all know damn well they don't give a single care what we actually think/want. Just look at their facebook page and all the community feedback that is completely ignored. If they actually cared about..you know, the people who got them to where they are now, we wouldn't even be in this particular thread. THAT really grinds my gears, moreso than them nerfing all our stuff to make way for the latest and greatest only to nerf that later down the road.
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Post by Rollo Tomasi on Oct 15, 2020 6:14:44 GMT -5
It may be too late. Pix needs to maintain a large player base or the game has no value for anyone.
The increasing MM times are telling me that the active player numbers are dropping fast.
The rush to market of an obviously unfinished and buggy product (Remastered) strikes me as an act of desperation.
The rapid escalation of Microchip prize value is evidence that Drones are a bust
We can dream about possible fixes, but Pix Is demonstrating a growing disconnect from (and outright disdain for) its player base. E.g. âwe donât care how much you dislike Drones, weâre doing them anyway.â And not many players are into sniper game play, but pix is pushing that hard. 「whiskey tango foxtrot」??
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Post by Eradicator1 on Oct 15, 2020 7:11:39 GMT -5
The solution: buy a DeLorean Keep War Robots going as-is with all the current 「dookie」; call it War Robots: Ultra or some 「dookie」 like that. War Robots: Ultra will allow the P2W types to continue playing and crushing players. It will allow Pix to get all that cash out of those willing to pay and will also allow them to test all kinds of new crap. Release War Robots: Classic, a game where they froze War Robots in time after the Western mechs and Dashes came out but were balanced/tuned. From that point forward re-evaluate everything they did and slow down the release timer such that stuff comes out quarterly, not every month. That gives people incentive to play, will revitalize the playerbase, and will reinvigorate things. The slower pace will allow the company to reevaluate their lousy decision making, allow for product tuning and testing, allow for lesser inflated stats for new gear although some is understandable and expected. Because the pace is slower the company can get back to fostering lost goodwill with the community, bug fixing, and correcting wrongs (like ruined spider mechs and redesigning old and loved mechs). I have said the same myself a few months back. They need two “ages” of the war robots world. “Classic” and “ the magical “. There is a reason that some of us play six pak. It is fun that’s why. And I think ultimately pix will come out with some version of it. Only makes sense to. And could even be their new cash cow.
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Post by Taboga73 on Oct 15, 2020 7:40:00 GMT -5
Stop consuming so much cheap Vodka.
Stop jerry rigging and band aiding “fixes”.
BTFU with so much new content.
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Post by frunobulax on Oct 15, 2020 7:41:18 GMT -5
What do you guys recommend pixonic do to correct the ship? I don't think there is an easy way to fix this mess. Selling so much power has the drawback that the game will become inherently incompetetive, and small fish leave. The problem is that above all other things we need more players, so we need something to significantly boost new player experience.
If I was Pixo, I would make Skirmish payouts equal to normal game payouts (gold, silver, XP, HP), and do event tasks that have to be completed in Skirmish. But also enable LPQ for Skirmish, so that it can't be abused for ads. This would instantly give us a valid game mode where skill matters, and the event provides further encouragement to play the new mode. Also playing with all these various bots would promote them. Plus new players have a mode where they can enjoy the game.
To fix the live server? Tough. Rebalance to make all the older and weaker bots better. Nerf pilots. Nerf titans. Nerf drones. In short, dramatically cut all the advantages that can be purchased with money.
Focus on stability and performance. Many players are leaving because their older devices or emulators can't run the game anymore, due to massive computation requirements. Speed up the game, reduce firing rates/particles on all weapons while increasing damage (reducing the amount of computations). Tune down graphical effects if necessary. Think Tulumbas (8 rockets) instead of Orkans (36 or whatever).
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Post by frunobulax on Oct 15, 2020 7:46:57 GMT -5
We can dream about possible fixes, but Pix Is demonstrating a growing disconnect from (and outright disdain for) its player base. E.g. âÂÂwe donâÂÂt care how much you dislike Drones, weâÂÂre doing them anyway.â And not many players are into sniper game play, but pix is pushing that hard. ãwhiskey tango foxtrotã?? Agree with your other points, but the disconnect has been there ever since mail.ru bought Pixo. They cared 「dookie」 about small fish/new player experience and catered only to the whales. And they always cared 「dookie」 about the game mechanics that players like, forcing us to play idiotic things like KotH, zero skill builds like Shocktrain Spectre and now Hawk. They have reduced skill so much that a 7-yo can play the game successfully if his/her dad spends enough money. And frankly that's not the way to go with a game like this.
Now they finally managed to piss off a fanatic and dedicated playerbase so much that the game is finally dying. I have foretold this 3 years ago I think... If you piss off all small fish and free players, eventually your playerbase collapses and the game dies.
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