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Post by Deadeye on Oct 12, 2020 11:27:49 GMT -5
So Carbines and Railgun are endgame items and (based on AI's use at least) are incredibly effective. I have a desire for all of them, but they're expensive (both RL and IG currencies). My current XP level is about 70k so I'm about a week from unlocking the Carb10, but probably over a month or 2 from unlocking the Carb12. After you vote in the poll, please tell me your thoughts on Carb8 vs Carb10 as that's what my options are right now. Assuming I do all of them, this is really about which should come first.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 12, 2020 12:15:18 GMT -5
I hesitate to vote from lack of concrete knowledge... and most of what I have to say has prolly already occurred to you. That said... if you know you want all of them, you could get the first one you have a spot and enough A-Coins for. By "have a spot" I mean, what niche needs to be filled and what bot is the better bot for that niche? Which Carbine makes the most sense on that bot? Or if it is the RG that fits a neglected niche, then get that first. If, for example, PC8s are doing a good job for you but the LAs are lacking, maybe the RG should be first? I think I have heard that 8s are the least desirable even if you do get 2 when you get them, but I am not 100% sure why that is... whether it is because the advice was coming from the avenue of "get the best you can get for endgame for such high cost items" or if it was because they didn't think that they were actually worth their cost, IDK. Basically, though, which weapon set fills a need that is a glaring hole in your EG hangar? Get that, first. Personally, I want the 8s and will prolly get them once my A-Coin balance catches up from my recent upgrades. Like you, I want all of the versions, too, but I don't feel any real need to pick and choose. I am also pretty spontaneous and not very good at planning games out like a job... so... consider my advice with the weight it deserves... i.e., not very much  |
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Post by Redfiend on Oct 12, 2020 12:35:28 GMT -5
I say start with the 8s because you're not going to get much out of the 10/12 version without more rank ups, and even then, the 10/12 cost version would have to be paired with something else. Since most of the weapons you've gotten so far come in pairs, juggling one to pair something with an odd carbine might be more of a hassle than it's worth.
So by order of importance and how much use you're going to get out of them: 8-12-10.
The 8s can go on any rank 3 heavy or R4 medium.
The 12 can be paired with an 8 cost weapon on a rank 4 Heavy bot, and will pair alright with any 8 cost weapon because it's going to be doing most of the heavy lifting.
The 10 will just be wonky until your preferred medium bot platform hits rank 5, or act as a wierd bridge weapon for rank 4 light bots, or on a straggling heavy bot with 20 en wayyy down the line when you get the second copy.
It's kinda like Long Arm and Rocket Mortar 10. Decent idea on paper, just really awkward to use.
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 12, 2020 13:04:13 GMT -5
I think I was kinda leaning towards the Redfiend thinking. It makes sense. Once I make a purchase, it will take a significant amount of time before I am able to get another. The XP necessary to reach the Carb12 might allow me just enough time to get the A-coins saved again. |
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Post by Redfiend on Oct 12, 2020 13:42:26 GMT -5
Yea Deadeye , I thought about it for awhile after deciding on my dream hangar one-goal. I still have a ways before I even start grinding for Carbines because I have to get the roster to R4 and get the stasis beam 12 after getting MR8 in this upcoming tournament. Going to focus down the weapons while my bots sit at rank 4, since most of what I want to run is going to require getting second copies of heavy weapons, and R4 seems to be just the right spot in terms of bot EN capacity to shuffle weapons around while I push to get those second copies. |
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 12, 2020 13:48:49 GMT -5
Yea Deadeye , I thought about it for awhile after deciding on my dream hangar one-goal. I still have a ways before I even start grinding for Carbines because I have to get the roster to R4 and get the stasis beam 12 after getting MR8 in this upcoming tournament. Going to focus down the weapons while my bots sit at rank 4, since most of what I want to run is going to require getting second copies of heavy weapons, and R4 seems to be just the right spot in terms of bot EN capacity to shuffle weapons around while I push to get those second copies. Yeah, I don't see a reason to move beyond R4 on my mechs until I start pulling the heavier stuff. The only one I am considering is the Ares so I can use the TL6 with the SB. I have a feeling this will make a huge difference. |
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Post by Redfiend on Oct 12, 2020 13:52:01 GMT -5
Since I intend on running 4 tanks(2 Jug, 2 Ares) and a Carb Guardian, I'm not adverse to leveling/ranking Ares or Jug in the meanwhile if it's more cost effective and makes tournament easier.
I'd say as a general rule, get a solid roster to R4, then only level the bots you absolutely know you want to bring to Rank 6 because the credit/coin costs border on absurd after that point.
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Post by A.c.r.u.x. on Oct 12, 2020 13:54:21 GMT -5
I still have yet to run into these.. what am I doing wrong.. BRB going to make some AI mad.
What are the costs on the 8's?
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 12, 2020 13:58:44 GMT -5
I still have yet to run into these.. what am I doing wrong.. BRB going to make some AI mad. What are the costs on the 8's? Maybe you've heard the phrase when shopping for luxury items, but it applies here. "If you have to ask the price, you can't afford it." lol But really though, it's high. I think the Carb8s are just over 8000 a-coins. At a minimum, that's about 4 weeks of ideal tourney results to get them. The other Carbs are likely going to be similar. |
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Post by Redfiend on Oct 12, 2020 14:21:22 GMT -5
I still have yet to run into these.. what am I doing wrong.. BRB going to make some AI mad. What are the costs on the 8's? Carb 8 are 8250 coins, 10 and 12 are 7250, but you only get one until they're rank 6, which is another 12-1500 coins after the 7 levels. |
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 12, 2020 14:47:39 GMT -5
It's a marathon not a sprint. Me, I'm going to start with the CB8 as soon as I save enough A-coins.
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 12, 2020 15:36:06 GMT -5
It's a marathon not a sprint. Me, I'm going to start with the CB8 as soon as I save enough A-coins. It may be, but the temptation to sprint is so strong! I want that finish line! |
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Post by Koalabear on Oct 12, 2020 15:39:10 GMT -5
It's a marathon not a sprint. Me, I'm going to start with the CB8 as soon as I save enough A-coins. It may be, but the temptation to sprint is so strong! I want that finish line! True and it's easy to justify it too! |
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Post by S1E1 on Oct 12, 2020 18:30:10 GMT -5
I am close to getting enough A-Coins for Carbine 8s. I will be skipping over Missile Racks if I do it though. Really just saved for them so it didn't hang over my head forever. And it gave me a good sense of my A-Coin earning rate (8+9k a month) which is more than I'd thought it was.
It recently occurred to me though that I could just do the 9K coin for 1M credit deal instead, get the MR8s, level up a bunch of my weapons (most are around 3.1 now) try out a few new ones (Thermals, Shotguns, MD) and then stockpile the rest of my credits. Need to crunch the numbers to see just what it'll yield. I'm not in a rush to level my hangar so the idea of investing in variety while all those options are still relevant has appeal.
Still, I think I'll probably just get the Carbines. Mainly because I started this project and I don't like switching horses midstream. And while I don't want the Carbs pushing the rest of my hangar too far up, I don't have to play them much. Figure I can hold them mostly in reserve, using them in the later matches in a tourney heat when the going gets tougher. Seems like it should work well economically.
Anyway, mainly just thinking out loud. Efficiency vs variety... Choices, choices...
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Post by mechtout on Oct 12, 2020 18:54:10 GMT -5
Im pretty content with level 8 gear so i'll continue to save for the carbine 8s and Zephyr
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Oct 17, 2020 15:46:43 GMT -5
As far as tempering your strong desire to rush for them, just saying, several times I have significantly outplayed a Carb Brickhouse (on my team) with my Shotgun Shadow, and PC8 Ares or Guardian do really well when comparing to Carb performance by allies or enemies. Because of seeing these performance contrasts, even though I really want Carbs (mainly because of how they sound lol), I don’t feel as rushed to get them. In fact, while I am saving up for Carb10, I occasionally have the sidetrack thought to max my Shadow and build a second one!
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 19, 2020 10:58:13 GMT -5
Currently sitting at 7300 A-coins and ~350k credits. Carbine8s coming within the week while the Zephyr will be ready in about 22k XP.  Sadly, I'll have the Carbines before the dang Zephyr. lol I think the Zephyr is ultimately where I want to put them anyway...at least until I get the Carb12. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 19, 2020 13:57:21 GMT -5
Currently sitting at 7300 A-coins and ~350k credits. Carbine8s coming within the week while the Zephyr will be ready in about 22k XP. Sadly, I'll have the Carbines before the dang Zephyr. lol I think the Zephyr is ultimately where I want to put them anyway...at least until I get the Carb12. Curse you. I’m still trying to amass the last 600 I need to rank up Juggy, and then another 1875 for Panther, before I can even think about the 8000+ I need for carbs. Dammmmmmmmm. |
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 19, 2020 14:22:01 GMT -5
Currently sitting at 7300 A-coins and ~350k credits. Carbine8s coming within the week while the Zephyr will be ready in about 22k XP. Sadly, I'll have the Carbines before the dang Zephyr. lol I think the Zephyr is ultimately where I want to put them anyway...at least until I get the Carb12. Curse you. I’m still trying to amass the last 600 I need to rank up Juggy, and then another 1875 for Panther, before I can even think about the 8000+ I need for carbs. Dammmmmmmmm. I'm guessing this is the benefit I'm reaping from restricting my focus to just 4 bots. Not sure how many folks have caved and gotten a 5th, but I've been at 4 for a long time. I got them all to R4 (and almost all my weapons too), then started this trek a couple weeks ago. I have resisted the temptation to push other things higher. Some temptations right now are that I have my LA8s ready to take to R4 and my LA10 also very close, but they work very well, so I don't feel I need to do it. Also, the strongest temptation is the Jav6s which are at 4.6 and so close to being my first R5 item. They literally reward me for every level I put into them. So amazing! |
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Post by punishingcossack on Oct 19, 2020 14:32:32 GMT -5
Currently sitting at 7300 A-coins and ~350k credits. Carbine8s coming within the week while the Zephyr will be ready in about 22k XP. Sadly, I'll have the Carbines before the dang Zephyr. lol I think the Zephyr is ultimately where I want to put them anyway...at least until I get the Carb12. Curse you. I’m still trying to amass the last 600 I need to rank up Juggy, and then another 1875 for Panther, before I can even think about the 8000+ I need for carbs. Dammmmmmmmm. I guess you're playing on a keto diet right now |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 19, 2020 14:33:42 GMT -5
I am close to getting enough A-Coins for Carbine 8s. I will be skipping over Missile Racks if I do it though. Really just saved for them so it didn't hang over my head forever. And it gave me a good sense of my A-Coin earning rate (8+9k a month) which is more than I'd thought it was. It recently occurred to me though that I could just do the 9K coin for 1M credit deal instead, get the MR8s, level up a bunch of my weapons (most are around 3.1 now) try out a few new ones (Thermals, Shotguns, MD) and then stockpile the rest of my credits. Need to crunch the numbers to see just what it'll yield. I'm not in a rush to level my hangar so the idea of investing in variety while all those options are still relevant has appeal. Still, I think I'll probably just get the Carbines. Mainly because I started this project and I don't like switching horses midstream. And while I don't want the Carbs pushing the rest of my hangar too far up, I don't have to play them much. Figure I can hold them mostly in reserve, using them in the later matches in a tourney heat when the going gets tougher. Seems like it should work well economically. Anyway, mainly just thinking out loud. Efficiency vs variety... Choices, choices... First, I don't know what kind of affect your hangar power will have if you go ahead and get them... I have a 2k Hangar and it mostly depends on the AI and win rate and such in CPC games. My hangar doesn't seem to matter much, if at all.
I'd get the carbs. I have gone the variety route and am happy with my choices so far, beside a fluke here or there that I don't remember getting...  But overall, the cost of the Carbs takes a while to acquire... and you WILL kick yourself later if you don't. It will take a LOT less A-Coins to focus on those items you mentioned, after you get your Carbs.
Just my opinion, as always, YMMV
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 19, 2020 16:23:38 GMT -5
Curse you. I’m still trying to amass the last 600 I need to rank up Juggy, and then another 1875 for Panther, before I can even think about the 8000+ I need for carbs. Dammmmmmmmm. I'm guessing this is the benefit I'm reaping from restricting my focus to just 4 bots. Not sure how many folks have caved and gotten a 5th, but I've been at 4 for a long time. I got them all to R4 (and almost all my weapons too), then started this trek a couple weeks ago. I have resisted the temptation to push other things higher. Some temptations right now are that I have my LA8s ready to take to R4 and my LA10 also very close, but they work very well, so I don't feel I need to do it. Also, the strongest temptation is the Jav6s which are at 4.6 and so close to being my first R5 item. They literally reward me for every level I put into them. So amazing! I’m running just 4 mechs as well, and focusing on those. It’s just such a long slog collecting a-coins for each one. That’s why I broke down and dropped a sawbuck on 1200 more to at least get Juggy up to R4 a little while ago. Which now leaves me very thin on EN8 weapons. I moved the PC8’s from Panther to Juggy, MR8’s are already on KS, leaving me just LA8’s to put on Panther, which I really don’t like all that much (I’m more if a brawler, because my long game SUCKS). My only other option is mortar rockets, which I pretty much despise using unless I have to. Carbine 8’s would be my next option for Panther, but it’s gonna take me many weeks to amass all those a-coins, and I’m absolutely NOT dropping $50 to buy them instantly (as much as I want to). I guess maybe I’ll hold off on ranking up Panther - he’s also at 3.7 now and try to discipline myself to not spend any more a-coins on anything. Yeah, good luck with that. Side note: ranking up Juggy brought my squad power up to 1550 now. So of course my first test drive with new and improved Juggy and PC8’s was up against all 2000+ hangars, both teammates and enemies, and of course I finished dead last. At least I was on the winning team, and I somehow managed 6 kills and 228k damage, so there’s that minuscule bit of consolation. Welcome to the party, Juggy. F’n game. |
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Post by S1E1 on Oct 19, 2020 17:31:06 GMT -5
I am close to getting enough A-Coins for Carbine 8s. I will be skipping over Missile Racks if I do it though. Really just saved for them so it didn't hang over my head forever. And it gave me a good sense of my A-Coin earning rate (8+9k a month) which is more than I'd thought it was. It recently occurred to me though that I could just do the 9K coin for 1M credit deal instead, get the MR8s, level up a bunch of my weapons (most are around 3.1 now) try out a few new ones (Thermals, Shotguns, MD) and then stockpile the rest of my credits. Need to crunch the numbers to see just what it'll yield. I'm not in a rush to level my hangar so the idea of investing in variety while all those options are still relevant has appeal. Still, I think I'll probably just get the Carbines. Mainly because I started this project and I don't like switching horses midstream. And while I don't want the Carbs pushing the rest of my hangar too far up, I don't have to play them much. Figure I can hold them mostly in reserve, using them in the later matches in a tourney heat when the going gets tougher. Seems like it should work well economically. Anyway, mainly just thinking out loud. Efficiency vs variety... Choices, choices... First, I don't know what kind of affect your hangar power will have if you go ahead and get them... I have a 2k Hangar and it mostly depends on the AI and win rate and such in CPC games. My hangar doesn't seem to matter much, if at all.
I'd get the carbs. I have gone the variety route and am happy with my choices so far, beside a fluke here or there that I don't remember getting... B-| But overall, the cost of the Carbs takes a while to acquire... and you WILL kick yourself later if you don't. It will take a LOT less A-Coins to focus on those items you mentioned, after you get your Carbs.
Just my opinion, as always, YMMV
I've decided to go ahead and get them. Just hit 8600 A-Coins with yesterday's tournament. Also got the $15.99 Missile Rack 8 deal last night too. It popped up right after and I decided to treat myself. I am waiting until tonight's Loot Rush starts before I buy the Carbines. Have 80 keys saved so hopefully I win some more coins. Just want to see how big the number gets before I spend it all. Also hoping I'll get enough to level up a bot too. Right now I only have my Panther and Paragon at EN16, but Killshot, Ares and Juggy are all perched at 3.7 ready and waiting. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 19, 2020 17:44:48 GMT -5
First, I don't know what kind of affect your hangar power will have if you go ahead and get them... I have a 2k Hangar and it mostly depends on the AI and win rate and such in CPC games. My hangar doesn't seem to matter much, if at all.
I'd get the carbs. I have gone the variety route and am happy with my choices so far, beside a fluke here or there that I don't remember getting... But overall, the cost of the Carbs takes a while to acquire... and you WILL kick yourself later if you don't. It will take a LOT less A-Coins to focus on those items you mentioned, after you get your Carbs.
Just my opinion, as always, YMMV
I've decided to go ahead and get them. Just hit 8600 A-Coins with yesterday's tournament. Also got the $15.99 Missile Rack 8 deal last night too. It popped up right after and I decided to treat myself. I am waiting until tonight's Loot Rush starts before I buy the Carbines. Have 80 keys saved so hopefully I win some more coins. Just want to see how big the number gets before I spend it all. Also hoping I'll get enough to level up a bot too. Right now I only have my Panther and Paragon at EN16, but Killshot, Ares and Juggy are all perched at 3.7 ready and waiting. Damn son... you're at a good place! |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 19, 2020 18:06:22 GMT -5
So the hoarding is on for carbines. But I still have a dilemma - I want to get my Lancer up to R5. Luckily that’s going to be majorly limited by the acquisition of bp’s, so there’s a really good chance I’ll have enough a-coins stashed before then. So much time needed, so little patience ...
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Post by mechtout on Oct 19, 2020 18:09:12 GMT -5
So the hoarding is on for carbines. But I still have a dilemma - I want to get my Lancer up to R5. Luckily thatâs going to be majorly limited by the acquisition of bpâs, so thereâs a really good chance Iâll have enough a-coins stashed before then. So much time needed, so little patience ... i was almost halfway there until ѻﻭɼﻉ and Redfiend convinced me i need to blow 1300 acoins on a shadow and shotguns XD - Deadeye added the below statement and tagged the above members because he's a 「wee-wee」  Oh, come on...it's always more fun when you talk about someone behind their back, in front of their back! |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Oct 19, 2020 21:20:34 GMT -5
So the hoarding is on for carbines. But I still have a dilemma - I want to get my Lancer up to R5. Luckily that’s going to be majorly limited by the acquisition of bp’s, so there’s a really good chance I’ll have enough a-coins stashed before then. So much time needed, so little patience ... i was almost halfway there until ogre and Red convinced me i need to blow 1300 acoins on a shadow and shotguns XD Those bastiges!!! |
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Post by Deadeye on Oct 20, 2020 9:51:44 GMT -5
So the hoarding is on for carbines. But I still have a dilemma - I want to get my Lancer up to R5. Luckily thatâs going to be majorly limited by the acquisition of bpâs, so thereâs a really good chance Iâll have enough a-coins stashed before then. So much time needed, so little patience ... I personally don't recommend moving things to R5 until you have all of the mechs to R4 (and I mean all of them, like 5 slots). I could be wrong, but I'm holding off myself. Ranking up that Lancer (a light mech which costs the most a-coins to rank up) is going to seriously deplete your coins. I'm not pushing a thing to R5 until I get the Carbines (which come R5 already). Then I'll start moving up selected items. I have a sneaking suspicion that once you take something to R5, everything gets kicked up a notch or 3 and the 「dookie」 show really comes to town. Just a guess, but once you open that box you can't put the horrors back in. I hope I'm wrong and will let you know my experience at the end of the week when I buy them, but don't be in a huge hurry bud. Maybe Redfiend can weight in on the R5 topic. Being that in CPC games, my opponents' average hanger strength is 2500 EVERYTIME and I don't yet even have an R5 item, I'm very concerned it will get worse when I finally do. Hell, I don't even have a 5th mech (which makes me wonder how my AI teammates that average 2500 hangers as well all die before me.) SMH |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Oct 20, 2020 9:55:01 GMT -5
So the hoarding is on for carbines. But I still have a dilemma - I want to get my Lancer up to R5. Luckily thatâs going to be majorly limited by the acquisition of bpâs, so thereâs a really good chance Iâll have enough a-coins stashed before then. So much time needed, so little patience ... I personally don't recommend moving things to R5 until you have all of the mechs to R4 (and I mean all of them, like 5 slots). I could be wrong, but I'm holding off myself. Ranking up that Lancer (a light mech which costs the most a-coins to rank up) is going to seriously deplete your coins. I'm not pushing a thing to R5 until I get the Carbines (which come R5 already). Then I'll start moving up selected items. I have a sneaking suspicion that once you take something to R5, everything gets kicked up a notch or 3 and the 「dookie」 show really comes to town. Just a guess, but once you open that box you can't put the horrors back in. I hope I'm wrong and will let you know my experience at the end of the week when I buy them, but don't be in a huge hurry bud. Maybe Redfiend can weight in on the R5 topic. Being that in CPC games, my opponents' average hanger strength is 2500 EVERYTIME and I don't yet even have an R5 item, I'm very concerned it will get worse when I finally do. Hell, I don't even have a 5th mech ( which makes me wonder how my AI teammates that average 2500 hangers as well all die before me.) SMH Easy, they prioritize shooting the walls more than shooting and avoiding the Reds. |
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Post by Redfiend on Oct 20, 2020 12:33:53 GMT -5
So the hoarding is on for carbines. But I still have a dilemma - I want to get my Lancer up to R5. Luckily thatâs going to be majorly limited by the acquisition of bpâs, so thereâs a really good chance Iâll have enough a-coins stashed before then. So much time needed, so little patience ... I personally don't recommend moving things to R5 until you have all of the mechs to R4 (and I mean all of them, like 5 slots). I could be wrong, but I'm holding off myself. Ranking up that Lancer (a light mech which costs the most a-coins to rank up) is going to seriously deplete your coins. I'm not pushing a thing to R5 until I get the Carbines (which come R5 already). Then I'll start moving up selected items. I have a sneaking suspicion that once you take something to R5, everything gets kicked up a notch or 3 and the 「dookie」 show really comes to town. Just a guess, but once you open that box you can't put the horrors back in. I hope I'm wrong and will let you know my experience at the end of the week when I buy them, but don't be in a huge hurry bud. Maybe Redfiend can weight in on the R5 topic. Being that in CPC games, my opponents' average hanger strength is 2500 EVERYTIME and I don't yet even have an R5 item, I'm very concerned it will get worse when I finally do. Hell, I don't even have a 5th mech (which makes me wonder how my AI teammates that average 2500 hangers as well all die before me.) SMH At minimum, 3 bots in the hangar when all of the bots are rank 3. Don't add a 4th bot until that main 3, and the mech added to the 4th slot, are all rank 4. Don't add a 5th bot until those 4 and the new bot are rank 5 Squeezing out wins against AI already stronger than you by way of having more mechs, only encourages the game to throw even stronger AI at you. The AI responds to a player's recorded performances more than anything. Bringing one bot to max EN early isn't a big deal, especially for light bots. The most effective thing to do is rush bots like Killshot and Panther to R5 because they'll carry their weight and make it easier to get a lot of points from tournament. |
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But overall, the cost of the Carbs takes a while to acquire... and you WILL kick yourself later if you don't. It will take a LOT less A-Coins to focus on those items you mentioned, after you get your Carbs.