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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Aug 27, 2020 5:50:52 GMT -5
Today i unlocked and bought shotguns for 150-ish purple money and i mounted them onto my Lancer, which i love btw, my favorite bot up to this point.  Now, i don't know if i'm missing something, because even at paint scratching distance they do next to nothing damage and reload forever... any other weapon did noticable damage, 2nrg lvl 4 autocannons were just insane, but this shotguns, it's impossible to destroy anything with those. I'm not sure upgrading them will do any difference, anyone more experienced have any info on this subject? |
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Post by Poopface on Aug 27, 2020 7:34:54 GMT -5
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Post by mechtout on Aug 27, 2020 7:35:01 GMT -5
Seems like everyone thats tried them had the same experience
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Post by Poopface on Aug 27, 2020 7:55:56 GMT -5
Seems like everyone thats tried them had the same experience On the flip side, I got 1-shot multiple times by level 1 Rocket Mortars in tournament this morning. |
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Post by Koalabear on Aug 27, 2020 8:04:13 GMT -5
Yep, they're like bad vacuum cleaners....they suck bad!
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Post by 乃ㄥ卂乙 on Aug 27, 2020 8:13:23 GMT -5
Damn, i was totally hoping i'll build the Storm Rog of Mech Arena world  |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 27, 2020 8:57:35 GMT -5
Damn, i was totally hoping i'll build the Storm Rog of Mech Arena world Well, after the next War Robots update you’ll probably be pretty close.  |
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Aug 27, 2020 10:02:50 GMT -5
Please include (Mech Arena) in your thread titles, thanks. I took care of this one. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 27, 2020 11:47:35 GMT -5
I gave shotties a week on my Shadow and was so thoroughly unimpressed I was left wondering why they are still in the game at all... if this was the result of the previous nerf it was far too much of one.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 27, 2020 22:09:24 GMT -5
I gave shotties a week on my Shadow and was so thoroughly unimpressed I was left wondering why they are still in the game at all... if this was the result of the previous nerf it was far too much of one. From what I’ve read, it was a case of the Shadow armed with shotties being way OP, so they took a page out of Pix’s playbook and nerfed both of them. I do hope they don’t make a habit of that. From what I’ve seen in action, they nerfed the guns into worthlessness, and the Shadow not nearly enough. The next rebalancing should be most telling ... and very interesting. Hopefully they don’t knee-jerk and over-adjust things. |
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Post by Redfiend on Aug 27, 2020 22:12:27 GMT -5
I gave shotties a week on my Shadow and was so thoroughly unimpressed I was left wondering why they are still in the game at all... if this was the result of the previous nerf it was far too much of one. From what I’ve read, it was a case of the Shadow armed with shotties being way OP, so they took a page out of Pix’s playbook and nerfed both of them. I do hope they don’t make a habit of that. From what I’ve seen in action, they nerfed the guns into worthlessness, and the Shadow not nearly enough. The next rebalancing should be most telling ... and very interesting. Hopefully they don’t knee-jerk and over-adjust things. They nerfed them both when shifting from Alpha to Beta. In Alpha(aka when the Indian playerbase was the only region that had the game) all of the items were free to obtain and vastly cheaper to upgrade, so the Shadow and shotguns they nerfed were the max level versions, with all of the previous ranks and levels reflecting that. |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 28, 2020 8:21:58 GMT -5
I gave shotties a week on my Shadow and was so thoroughly unimpressed I was left wondering why they are still in the game at all... if this was the result of the previous nerf it was far too much of one. From what I’ve read, it was a case of the Shadow armed with shotties being way OP, so they took a page out of Pix’s playbook and nerfed both of them. I do hope they don’t make a habit of that. From what I’ve seen in action, they nerfed the guns into worthlessness, and the Shadow not nearly enough. The next rebalancing should be most telling ... and very interesting. Hopefully they don’t knee-jerk and over-adjust things. Why do you think the Shadow wasn't nerfed enough? I definitely can't win games in it the same way I can all my other bots... it takes a lot of timing and careful play... even in stealth they can and do hit you. |
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Post by Redfiend on Aug 28, 2020 8:44:43 GMT -5
From what I’ve read, it was a case of the Shadow armed with shotties being way OP, so they took a page out of Pix’s playbook and nerfed both of them. I do hope they don’t make a habit of that. From what I’ve seen in action, they nerfed the guns into worthlessness, and the Shadow not nearly enough. The next rebalancing should be most telling ... and very interesting. Hopefully they don’t knee-jerk and over-adjust things. Why do you think the Shadow wasn't nerfed enough? I definitely can't win games in it the same way I can all my other bots... it takes a lot of timing and careful play... even in stealth they can and do hit you. AI Shadows are almost as insufferable as AI Panther and Paragon with Long Arms rolling out shoulder to shoulder at the start of the game. But I'd happily take the snipers if it meant the AI won't drop a rank 4 shadow mid-game. If you ever play really hard and wonder why the hell the beacons can never stay blue no matter how hard you try, there's at least one of those little monsters somewhere, and it's guaranteed that there's either a fatboi or two between you and it, or the moment you poke out to attack it, a sniper is going to turn the corner and delete you. There's a reason I said "Shadow, if you want to be as insufferable as humanly possible" |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 28, 2020 10:09:51 GMT -5
Why do you think the Shadow wasn't nerfed enough? I definitely can't win games in it the same way I can all my other bots... it takes a lot of timing and careful play... even in stealth they can and do hit you. AI Shadows are almost as insufferable as AI Panther and Paragon with Long Arms rolling out shoulder to shoulder at the start of the game. But I'd happily take the snipers if it meant the AI won't drop a rank 4 shadow mid-game. If you ever play really hard and wonder why the hell the beacons can never stay blue no matter how hard you try, there's at least one of those little monsters somewhere, and it's guaranteed that there's either a fatboi or two between you and it, or the moment you poke out to attack it, a sniper is going to turn the corner and delete you. There's a reason I said "Shadow, if you want to be as insufferable as humanly possible" I wasn't thinking about AI... that makes sense. But I stand by the statement that nerfing them any further would make them useless at lower levels... a Lancer would be better. I can get 15 - 19 kill streaks in a Panther or a Killshot or an Ares, but this little guy, is fragile as Hell and doesn't have enough power to run the higher end weapons.
... although... (evil grin and steepled fingers intensifies)... a single MR 8 might change everything...  |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 28, 2020 10:11:43 GMT -5
Why do you think the Shadow wasn't nerfed enough? I definitely can't win games in it the same way I can all my other bots... it takes a lot of timing and careful play... even in stealth they can and do hit you. AI Shadows are almost as insufferable as AI Panther and Paragon with Long Arms rolling out shoulder to shoulder at the start of the game. But I'd happily take the snipers if it meant the AI won't drop a rank 4 shadow mid-game. If you ever play really hard and wonder why the hell the beacons can never stay blue no matter how hard you try, there's at least one of those little monsters somewhere, and it's guaranteed that there's either a fatboi or two between you and it, or the moment you poke out to attack it, a sniper is going to turn the corner and delete you. There's a reason I said "Shadow, if you want to be as insufferable as humanly possible" Beat me to it ... I was going to say, as I was thinking about it, it’s probably AI I see driving them so expertly. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Aug 28, 2020 10:15:22 GMT -5
AI Shadows are almost as insufferable as AI Panther and Paragon with Long Arms rolling out shoulder to shoulder at the start of the game. But I'd happily take the snipers if it meant the AI won't drop a rank 4 shadow mid-game. If you ever play really hard and wonder why the hell the beacons can never stay blue no matter how hard you try, there's at least one of those little monsters somewhere, and it's guaranteed that there's either a fatboi or two between you and it, or the moment you poke out to attack it, a sniper is going to turn the corner and delete you. There's a reason I said "Shadow, if you want to be as insufferable as humanly possible" I wasn't thinking about AI... that makes sense. But I stand by the statement that nerfing them any further would make them useless at lower levels... a Lancer would be better. I can get 15 - 19 kill streaks in a Panther or a Killshot or an Ares, but this little guy, is fragile as Hell and doesn't have enough power to run the higher end weapons.
... although... (evil grin and steepled fingers intensifies)... a single MR 8 might change everything... I unlocked Shadow and then got an offer for one for $6, but I passed. I already blew all my resources on the Guardian, and now wish I hadn’t, as all it’s done is slowed down my progress with my other gear. Didn’t want to make that mistake again. Must. Not. Jump. On. New-and-shiny. |
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Post by Redfiend on Aug 28, 2020 10:33:59 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 that's the thing, that's not what it's for. Javelin 4s and Plasma cannon 4 are it's biggest bang for it's buck. It feels worse than it is because enemy AI has moments where it doesn't give a crap about your stealth, and you evaporate. Against real people though, well, have you actually encountered the Bots running them? They're miserable little misers. The only time you can ever really get a bead on them is when there's a Killshot, Juggernaut, Sniper, or a another shadow nearby that's going to make you take a bad trade just to squash the bug. If they are alone, they've already tilted the beacon bar in the enemy favor and don't care, because they're just going to spawn mid with a Jug, or home with a sniper and clean up whatever their allies were doing, if not kill you personally.
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 28, 2020 10:42:09 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 that's the thing, that's not what it's for. Javelin 4s and Plasma cannon 4 are it's biggest bang for it's buck. It feels worse than it is because enemy AI has moments where it doesn't give a crap about your stealth, and you evaporate. Against real people though, well, have you actually encountered the Bots running them? They're miserable little misers. The only time you can ever really get a bead on them is when there's a Killshot, Juggernaut, Sniper, or a another shadow nearby that's going to make you take a bad trade just to squash the bug. If they are alone, they've already tilted the beacon bar in the enemy favor and don't care, because they're just going to spawn mid with a Jug, or home with a sniper and clean up whatever their allies were doing, if not kill you personally. No, I have not encountered many of them at all... so that is probably why I am ignorant to their cheese factor... but yes I run Jav 4s on it and can at least help chip away at bigger players... most of my casual match competition, though, don't have any problem with either killing me or forcing me out of a beacon if they are near. It dies so quickly. Yes, I can be a PITA, and on bigger maps can influence the Beacon Bar a good bit... but I definitely can't get the same results as other bots with it... yet. Maybe it will take more time to get used to its intricacies... and to force myself to focus on flanking and beacons more. I only just found out that flanking and 6 o clock attacks do more damage, when you posted that post about it. If I can remember that when I am IN the Shadow... it may help lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2020 10:47:23 GMT -5
Maybe a dumb question, but someone said auto cannon are meh. Is that true? I got blueprints stacked up to the freaking ceiling...
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Post by Redfiend on Aug 28, 2020 10:52:43 GMT -5
Maybe a dumb question, but someone said auto cannon are meh. Is that true? I got blueprints stacked up to the freaking ceiling... It's trash. It's just the tutorial item. There is a Guide posted y'know ? |
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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 28, 2020 10:55:17 GMT -5
Maybe a dumb question, but someone said auto cannon are meh. Is that true? I got blueprints stacked up to the freaking ceiling... For the most part, yeah. They are early game freebies for a reason.
That said, they can still kill and I have met a few folk that had them leveled up and died pretty quickly to them. If you know you are going to get something better, don't upgrade them too far right away. If you just like them and don't care, then you can at least still get some mileage out of them in later games if you do decide to put resources into them. Probably not all the way at the true end game level... but I can't say for sure about that.
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Post by Redfiend on Aug 28, 2020 11:03:57 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 that's the thing, that's not what it's for. Javelin 4s and Plasma cannon 4 are it's biggest bang for it's buck. It feels worse than it is because enemy AI has moments where it doesn't give a crap about your stealth, and you evaporate. Against real people though, well, have you actually encountered the Bots running them? They're miserable little misers. The only time you can ever really get a bead on them is when there's a Killshot, Juggernaut, Sniper, or a another shadow nearby that's going to make you take a bad trade just to squash the bug. If they are alone, they've already tilted the beacon bar in the enemy favor and don't care, because they're just going to spawn mid with a Jug, or home with a sniper and clean up whatever their allies were doing, if not kill you personally. No, I have not encountered many of them at all... so that is probably why I am ignorant to their cheese factor... but yes I run Jav 4s on it and can at least help chip away at bigger players... most of my casual match competition, though, don't have any problem with either killing me or forcing me out of a beacon if they are near. It dies so quickly. Yes, I can be a PITA, and on bigger maps can influence the Beacon Bar a good bit... but I definitely can't get the same results as other bots with it... yet. Maybe it will take more time to get used to its intricacies... and to force myself to focus on flanking and beacons more. I only just found out that flanking and 6 o clock attacks do more damage, when you posted that post about it. If I can remember that when I am IN the Shadow... it may help lol. Flanking is in the gear guide as a preface to the weapon section.? The entire point of Shadow is to force your opponent into bad decisions, and murder enemy fastbois and snipers/mortars every chance you get. For every slow step a fatboi chases after you, it's not fighting alongside it's friends. For every fastboi chasing you across the map, they're not capping beacons. In shadow, you want to be where the people aren't and make the enemy split their forces. If they ignore you, they get backstabbed, if they chase you, your allies are freed of at least one bot while they advance. Fastbois, outside of Killshot as the only medium load fastboi, have just enough firepower where they can't be ignored, but it's still a drain on the resources of heavily armored and heavily armed bots to actually try to stop them. When I stopped piloting Killshot as an attacker, and started using it's dash defensively while constantly picking angles(Javelins), and even doubling back to circle around, I started getting a helluva lot more mileage out of it. Unlike War Robots, fast means fast. |
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