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Post by hkang on Aug 9, 2020 11:08:55 GMT -5
Has MM system changed since the platform merge? I'm currently in expert 1, and I'm facing top champ players like cdxx most of the time....
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Post by spectre729 on Aug 9, 2020 11:10:29 GMT -5
i have seen masters being placed in a bunch of expert league players
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Post by reconnecting on Aug 9, 2020 14:36:45 GMT -5
Has MM system changed since the platform merge? I'm currently in expert 1, and I'm facing top champ players like cdxx most of the time.... MM has improved as of two months ago. But I still sometimes get a very imbalanced match. Try waiting 30 seconds after a bad match so hopefully you won’t see those players again right away. Or maybe build a squad/duo by inviting one of the OP players. ;-). Don’t go full squad or 3 or more because then you will face a full clan squad. |
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Post by chiseler on Aug 9, 2020 15:20:16 GMT -5
on gameroom you start fighting champion league as soon as you get to diamond
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Post by I pooped today on Aug 9, 2020 16:37:54 GMT -5
I'm just guessing there are less players than we might think. Almost every match someone is bailing, or just completely overwhelmed. The disparity between the top players from each team to the bottom is pretty bad right now.
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Post by hkang on Aug 9, 2020 21:11:19 GMT -5
Ngl more than half of the match I'm up against those with full mk2 players with maxed out laser ming. Even my arthur gets deleted in seconds lol.
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 10, 2020 5:42:47 GMT -5
Has MM system changed since the platform merge? I'm currently in expert 1, and I'm facing top champ players like cdxx most of the time.... It's not matchmaking, it's the depleted player base. Experts are drawn into Champ matches now, yes I've seen this too. We're headed towards Steam matchmaking, where you'll face Champ players once you get past your first 10 matches. Games are becoming farces, maxed Ravanas and AJs mopping up level 7 Leos. But even my Expert III smurf faces champ type players with maxed hangars, sitting in Master I. Don't run that smurf anymore.
Players are voting with their feet how much they like Pixos recent power creep (titans, pilot rework).
Drones will be the final straw for me, I've already decided that I'll uninstall (again) the day they hit live server. But maybe I won't last that long.
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Post by Munki on Aug 10, 2020 8:48:11 GMT -5
Well that makes sense and Pix is aware of it considering the outright sale of Ao Mings, Ao Jun with Lee pilot, and other "meta" setups available for a straight cash purchase. They need to get the lower players to get the bots needed to compete with the Champs and are hoping people will simply pay to get there.
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Post by Deadeye on Aug 10, 2020 10:29:27 GMT -5
I have a theory. I honestly don't think people are bailing as often as we are seeing. I think it's lag disconnects. Literally almost everyone is complaining about lag these days and we know it all can't be based on our systems/wifi connections as many of us are set up plenty well to handle this game. I think this issue is server/game side, which is why they are pushing so hard to get War Robots Remastered out. They are claiming that the game has become so unruly (bugs and the like) that it just isn't very efficient anymore. The Remastering is a way for them to clean up and restructure so this doesn't happen. At least, that is what they are saying their plan is. I wouldn't be surprised that if the War Robots Remastering works, some if not many of our problems with crappy games due to teams with missing players will go away. That won't fix the MM the way it's set up currently, but it should at least help with players just ghosting in a game.
I'm cautiously optimistic.
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Post by T34 on Aug 10, 2020 19:50:21 GMT -5
I have a theory. I honestly don't think people are bailing as often as we are seeing. I think it's lag disconnects. Literally almost everyone is complaining about lag these days and we know it all can't be based on our systems/wifi connections as many of us are set up plenty well to handle this game. I think this issue is server/game side, which is why they are pushing so hard to get War Robots Remastered out. They are claiming that the game has become so unruly (bugs and the like) that it just isn't very efficient anymore. The Remastering is a way for them to clean up and restructure so this doesn't happen. At least, that is what they are saying their plan is. I wouldn't be surprised that if the War Robots Remastering works, some if not many of our problems with crappy games due to teams with missing players will go away. That won't fix the MM the way it's set up currently, but it should at least help with players just ghosting in a game. I'm cautiously optimistic. When in squad I constantly hear the complaints about lag and i experience it too. Agree with literally everyone complaining about it. When the red stops moving the first thing that pops into my mind is "「dookie」, i am lagging again". Health strangely evaporating without seemingly being shot at is another manifestation of it. There is a lot of lag from what i am experiencing and hearing from others. Also there is the disconnect matter. when in a full squad some guys drop out frequently. Than on discord the message comes through that someone's app crashed. It is not a "leave game scenario" because the bot stays alive in the game until the reds get it. Seems to happen way more to some than others. My ipad 4 crashes frequently but my pro or V6 or V7 hardly ever crash. I reckon its device related. Some bad programming causes the app to crash on some devices or on devices with a particular config or something along these lines. Out of curiosity, i've done many of the speed and stability optimisation tricks on the ipad4 and the performancesignificantly improved (still way way below par on that old device and it still crashes). I am not that optimistic about remastering improving things. Stability has gradually decreased over the years. Judging by the Steamchart numbers the stability of the game is not an issue in terms of driving people away like during the graphics debacle on steam. So in a way there is probably no real issue for Pix. If the current level of instability is acceptable than there is no reason to spend time and money (by Pix) to improve it even further. |
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 11, 2020 0:50:33 GMT -5
I have a theory. I honestly don't think people are bailing as often as we are seeing. I think it's lag disconnects.
If we're 4 or 5 within the first minute, I would assume lag/crashes. If we drop to 4 or 5 after 2 minutes, getting crushed by the other team, it's bailing.
But that's only part of the problem. The true issue is that an Expert player in a champ match is not much better than a disconnected player. At least the default Expert player, not a vet running a smurf. I certainly felt useless in my last Expert smurf matches, running older l7-9 bots...
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Post by Deadeye on Aug 11, 2020 8:29:40 GMT -5
I have a theory. I honestly don't think people are bailing as often as we are seeing. I think it's lag disconnects.
If we're 4 or 5 within the first minute, I would assume lag/crashes. If we drop to 4 or 5 after 2 minutes, getting crushed by the other team, it's bailing.
But that's only part of the problem. The true issue is that an Expert player in a champ match is not much better than a disconnected player. At least the default Expert player, not a vet running a smurf. I certainly felt useless in my last Expert smurf matches, running older l7-9 bots...
Oh, I agree completely. I had a match this morning with a duo on my squad. Sad thing was, it was a high expert player that dragged a diamond league clan mate with him into a match. The diamond leaguer go no beacon, no kills, less than 400k damage and I considered that as a fairly impressive effort (assuming he was attempting to push/defend beacons.) I'm not saying that the MM isn't a problem. It could use significant improvements for sure. I guess I think the high frequency of shoddy games is more than just the MM. It is what it is though. As I've said, if the Remastered game they're making helps even incrementally, I'll be a happier camper. As it stands, I do keep playing for those somewhat rare games where everyone comes to play and 12 players are genuinely duking it out with all they've got. Those games are still a blast! |
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 11, 2020 10:29:38 GMT -5
But that's only part of the problem. The true issue is that an Expert player in a champ match is not much better than a disconnected player. At least the default Expert player, not a vet running a smurf. I certainly felt useless in my last Expert smurf matches, running older l7-9 bots...
I'm not saying that the MM isn't a problem. It could use significant improvements for sure. I guess I think the high frequency of shoddy games is more than just the MM. It is what it is though. As I've said, if the Remastered game they're making helps even incrementally, I'll be a happier camper. As it stands, I do keep playing for those somewhat rare games where everyone comes to play and 12 players are genuinely duking it out with all they've got. Those games are still a blast! You misunderstand me. Having 12 players means nothing. I can't count the number of games where we dominated the beacon bar for 4-5 minutes, the game seemed completely under control, just to see 2 or more maxed red titans turn the game on its head without even a chance to do something about it. These are the games that usually end my day, and have me hovering over the "uninstall" button. What good is it that we had 6 players actively playing?
Balance is the big issue. The crashes will get rarer, if Pixonic has even the slightest interest in making the "normal" players happy. But I'm afraid the next upgrade will bring drones instead of stability. And I do fear that matchmaking has gotten to the point that the player base has shrunk so much, that balance can't be achieved, no matter how tricky the matchmaking algorithm is. If you can't find 2 decent opponents for a duo with maxed hangars within the time and matchmaking constraints given by MM, then they will dominate the game, whatever Pixo does.
My personal experience certainly confirms this. As per this thread, it seems that MM already tries to match players like me (with high league points, but because of activity and not hangar strength) with truly abysmal teammates. And this has two effects: (1) It frustrates the hell out of me, as my game experience in solo and duo has completely crashed, and (2) it is still not enough in most cases, the games where 2 players on the red team end up with 4+ million damage while their 4 teammates have less than 1 million and hardly any beacons, and we still can't beat them. Or variations thereof.
Pixonic has finally achieved their goal: You can guarantee a very high win rate if you spend enough money. And as a consequence the game is dying. Don't blame the matchmaking.
War Robots isn't dead yet, but it certainly smells funny.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Aug 11, 2020 14:38:00 GMT -5
I have a theory. I honestly don't think people are bailing as often as we are seeing. I think it's lag disconnects. Literally almost everyone is complaining about lag these days and we know it all can't be based on our systems/wifi connections as many of us are set up plenty well to handle this game. I think this issue is server/game side, which is why they are pushing so hard to get War Robots Remastered out. They are claiming that the game has become so unruly (bugs and the like) that it just isn't very efficient anymore. The Remastering is a way for them to clean up and restructure so this doesn't happen. At least, that is what they are saying their plan is. I wouldn't be surprised that if the War Robots Remastering works, some if not many of our problems with crappy games due to teams with missing players will go away. That won't fix the MM the way it's set up currently, but it should at least help with players just ghosting in a game. I'm cautiously optimistic. I agree.... aaaaaand.... I've been wanting to mention that now wouldn't necessarily be the time to invest in bots and especially weapons. Why? I just don't trust Pix to get it right. Mark my words, in the remastered version there will bugs/nerfs (buffs? yeah, right) that will substantially affect our stuff and they will take forever to fix, if ever. I suspect Pulsars are STILL silently nerfed, right? Grrrrrrrr    |
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 11, 2020 19:26:19 GMT -5
As the power gap between the meta and non meta increases new playes leave the game before Masters League and you are left with the afflicted trying to grind their way up Champions League into the top of the meta and the top tier of the meta grinding or spending to stay afloat. Eventually there is insufficient new player influx to sustain the system and it becomes a game of an ever increasing power gap with ever shrinking player base.
I don't forsee fire sales or anything of the sort. Pix is committed to widening the power gap and selling the ability to club to those who desire to club the have nots and to allowing the have nots to grind into becoming haves with some reasonable spending along the way. Pix is banking of carrot chasers until the day the servers shutdown.
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Post by Crow T. Robot on Aug 11, 2020 20:42:06 GMT -5
on gameroom you start fighting champion league as soon as you get to diamond Its the same thing on Steam. I'm in Diamond III (2300) and regularly face Champion league pilots and full squads! |
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Post by I pooped today on Aug 12, 2020 7:06:43 GMT -5
Sure lag is a problem, but lag doesn't make diamond and masters league guys have to face off against champion league guys on the regular. Lag doesn't create the horrible mis matches that we all see on a regular basis.
I'm in mid champs and I'm constantly seeing guys in lower leagues bail, not because of lag.
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