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Post by ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 on Aug 6, 2020 10:37:43 GMT -5
Also note that Storms, like Avengers before them, have at least one pilot skill that players would have taken up a skill slot for, and most likely maxed, that is now, potentially, very costly to change over... so it's not just the weapon change... it's the Au cost as well. ʂɬɛɛƖ - There are plenty of folk who use the Storm as their only competitive weapon in leagues other than Champions League. Just like Avenger used to be. When they get matched with crazy hangars, whether they are in the same league or not, Storms, and Avengers before them, helped equalize the Pay for Power gap. Haechis, Rogs, even Inquisitors, can still be seen running them in lower leagues because they were cheap enough to get to a high enough level to actually compete and possibly make a 「dookie」 game with players that are way above the other's power level, not so bad.
It IS about getting rid of the cheap weapons in the rotation. Just like Orks, and Tarans, Gusts, etc., Storms are being put to bed because there is nothing else to squeeze from them in terms of revenue... at least, not in comparison to ANY of the newer, higher tier weapons. Storms on any other bot are just Storms. You can get kills with them if you are good and can get up close without dying. In Ravs or Scorps, however, there is no worry about getting close. It's not the right move, but it is the Pix move. I appreciate what you are trying to say and used to believe along the same lines as you... but Pix has finally convinced me that they really don't care about any balance beyond their accounts. If they did, Poe would never have happened... neither Lee, or Leeches, or... well... you get the point. They unbalance the 「dookie」 out of the game for new gear/content that will guarantee revenue, with almost every release of said gear.
I am not trying to tell you to hate the game or that you shouldn't play it... only that denying that their only goal is $, not player satisfaction or game balance, should be thought about before assuming their righteous intentions.
Frankly, 3 mediums (or more) should never had been a thing on anything fast or with abilities that make it invulnerable. The Bulgasari was OK... but the very limit. That is the unbalance. We are WAY past that.
Like always... this is just in my now, very jaded, opinion, YMMV
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Post by Garbage game on Aug 6, 2020 10:44:55 GMT -5
How many of you run Ravana storm & how many do you face in every single match you’re in? Come on, this was coming. Plus, they’re still going be deadly. But everyone go ahead and over react... Is the cheap but effective Storm weapon the problem or the phase shifting for 50s Ravana? Clearly it’s the storms...
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Post by balrog89 on Aug 6, 2020 12:09:35 GMT -5
How many of you run Ravana storm & how many do you face in every single match you’re in? Come on, this was coming. Plus, they’re still going be deadly. But everyone go ahead and over react... Over react?!?! Over react?!?!? You ain't seen over react yet. Here, hold my beer...... Anyway, this news kinda sucks. I never did get around to maxing my Coronas. Clanmates tell me they work really well. Seems Ima be spending the Ag on those.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 6, 2020 12:25:21 GMT -5
Sure let's nerf weapons because certain bots are problem.
Orkan => Haechi and Specter Avenger => Ao Jun Storm => Leech Storm again => Ravana and Scorpion
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Post by Deadeye on Aug 6, 2020 12:29:44 GMT -5
I agree with ʂɬɛɛƖ in that they will still be effective and that this makes sense from a balancing perspective. Looking at it objectively, the Storms (a tier 2 weapon) outperform the comparable Corona (a tier 3 weapon) by about 20%. However, this is incredibly frustrating. While they will still be effective, I maxed out 2 Storms to get my Ravana ready and then took the SS skill to T4. I would have considered Corona for the LD effective if I'd known the stats as they are likely to be after this nerf. After such a harsh nerf before with all of the shotguns, they really should have considered this earlier. Subsequent heavy nerfs like this are really rough for the player base to take. I'm not likely to switch gears after all the effort (Ag, Au, time, etc.) I've put into these, but I feel I need to consider something else at this point. This is a kinda tough pill to swallow. I was pushing for a damage heavy, mobile Ravana, but I may need to rethink that and push for a tankier one. Ughh. I hate being forced to change gears (or consider changing gears) like this. I'm not doing anything rash right now though. I'll see how they perform after the nerf. I do think they will still be effective. The question is, how effective and will it be enough?
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Post by Poopface on Aug 6, 2020 12:31:39 GMT -5
I feel sorry for the devs quite frankly as they are seeing a title they worked so hard on go to POOP because the business end cannot get their heads out of, well whereever Poopface avatar's face is!
Just a general warning for everyone here: don't turn this into another Rant thread about Pixonic's business practices. Disciplinary action will be levied and a gentle word of warning for you:
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Aug 6, 2020 12:35:08 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 - I still run avengers, they still do great work. And the numbers proposed here won’t deter me from running storms. I’m not saying that there aren’t changes made with bottom line as the reason, but they are a business so that’s to be expected. I wish they had a different model (like COD where it’s cosmetic over power8 but that’s not the case so all one can do is deal with things. Garbage game - of course it’s the bot. It’s a joke really. I had a match this morning where I was on red home beacon and 3 storm Ravana spawned in on me. But that’s the thing, EVERYONE runs them (and yes I know it’s not everyone, just a figure of speech). The synergy of the ability and reload and close combat makes it all too easy. But the bot is going nowhere anytime soon and honestly that synergy would still be there so it’s a no win situation. Worst of all, until they nerf the ever loving ?out of the Ravana, this meta will never change. Then people are going to complain because the bot was nerfed and they put resources into it...
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Post by Garbage game on Aug 6, 2020 13:10:56 GMT -5
ⓣⓡⓘⓒⓚⓨ48 - I still run avengers, they still do great work. And the numbers proposed here won’t deter me from running storms. I’m not saying that there aren’t changes made with bottom line as the reason, but they are a business so that’s to be expected. I wish they had a different model (like COD where it’s cosmetic over power8 but that’s not the case so all one can do is deal with things. Garbage game - of course it’s the bot. It’s a joke really. I had a match this morning where I was on red home beacon and 3 storm Ravana spawned in on me. But that’s the thing, EVERYONE runs them (and yes I know it’s not everyone, just a figure of speech). The synergy of the ability and reload and close combat makes it all too easy. But the bot is going nowhere anytime soon and honestly that synergy would still be there so it’s a no win situation. Worst of all, until they nerf the ever loving ?out of the Ravana, this meta will never change. Then people are going to complain because the bot was nerfed and they put resources into it... They need to sell more Scorpions so Ravana is gonna go down the poop chute relatively soon.
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Post by Munki on Aug 6, 2020 13:12:01 GMT -5
Worst of all, until they nerf the ever loving ?out of the Ravana, this meta will never change. Then people are going to complain because the bot was nerfed and they put resources into it... Pix could just return the Ravana to its original 5.7 release before it was buffed in 6.0.
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Aug 6, 2020 13:12:53 GMT -5
Good luck getting more scorpion sales when Ravana is king of BR
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Post by ʂɬɛɛƖ on Aug 6, 2020 13:15:25 GMT -5
Worst of all, until they nerf the ever loving ?out of the Ravana, this meta will never change. Then people are going to complain because the bot was nerfed and they put resources into it... Pix could just return the Ravana to its original 5.7 release before it was buffed in 6.0. Won’t change anything with Poe now. A single Ravana could still hold the beacon till another comes. Not holding a beacon in transcendence or PS, that would change things
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Post by derps on Aug 6, 2020 15:37:01 GMT -5
haha, one nerf wasnt enough, players still find a way to make it viable as being one of the few affordable meta items.... and Pix doesnt like them using old gear... at this point, id rather they just told us, point blank: " We want your money, give it to me now!" ..... WAY better than blatantly lying to their audience, making pitiful excuses for things, and dumping a trillion nerf content, new content cycles and "events" to distract us... i mean, if they TOLD me it was cause they want more money, and they didnt really want to focus on core gameplay, stability, etc... then i'd actually be more inclined to play their game still!!! haha Pix: We love our players! We make changes for GAME experience and player's benefit! Pix: *holds conference (search internet for video) on how to extort the most money out of players on a "free to play game" using gambling and psychological tactics* Pix: We never shadow nerf! Pix: *shadow nerfs flame weapons* Pix: We changed the pilot system for "more intended usage of keeping pilots to bots" Pix: *institutes higher price for all skill changes, AND skill upgrades, AND forces random chance Tier level, forcing more gold spending for leveling up* Also Pix: *turns around and nerfs weapons with pilot skills, making it yet again, more expensive to use a pilot with a non-meta competitive skill/weapon* Pix: We try and "balance" the game to be most fair for players! Pix: *nerfs all new content, announces new content, new content releases incredibly OP, all players buy new content, they nerf all new content again, the cycle continues* Players who don't mind spending a few hundred $cash every year on the game:: Meh its expected. *goes and buys new meta* Players who spend very minimally on the game to stay slightly competitive:: Well crap. Good thing i only spend a few dollars a month! *finds non-meta builds that can still somewhat perform* Players who are solely F2P (majority of War Robots playerbase):: Well crap, it took me months to get ONE item from the meta leveled... I quit. *cycle of F2P players new to game, then quitting every month is perpetuated* Also note that Storms, like Avengers before them, have at least one pilot skill that players would have taken up a skill slot for, and most likely maxed, that is now, potentially, very costly to change over... so it's not just the weapon change... it's the Au cost as well. ʂɬɛɛƖ - There are plenty of folk who use the Storm as their only competitive weapon in leagues other than Champions League. Just like Avenger used to be. When they get matched with crazy hangars, whether they are in the same league or not, Storms, and Avengers before them, helped equalize the Pay for Power gap. Haechis, Rogs, even Inquisitors, can still be seen running them in lower leagues because they were cheap enough to get to a high enough level to actually compete and possibly make a ?dookie? game with players that are way above the other's power level, not so bad.
It IS about getting rid of the cheap weapons in the rotation. Just like Orks, and Tarans, Gusts, etc., Storms are being put to bed because there is nothing else to squeeze from them in terms of revenue... at least, not in comparison to ANY of the newer, higher tier weapons. Storms on any other bot are just Storms. You can get kills with them if you are good and can get up close without dying. In Ravs or Scorps, however, there is no worry about getting close. [snip] Spot on! The only way the F2P vs P2W gap was going to remain even remotely manageable was weapons that still had relative budget restraints compared to the insane meta costs that they release every couple months. The gap is getting larger and larger... and with Drones on the horizon, god only knows how exorbitantly costly they will be to attain, level up to moderately competitive, good LUCK F2P surviving in mid to high champ! haha. *shrug*
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Post by hi5 on Aug 6, 2020 16:46:43 GMT -5
This may be an unpopular opinion but is needed. Storm and Ravana synced up too well, especially with the bug where you can fire right on the edge (or before) you come out of golden turd mode and empty a full clip in a flash. I mean storms are cheap, better than all other weapons on Ravana (which are now 2-3 per hangar in some cases), and many already had them from the leech days. The writing was on the wall for a nerf. They should nerf Ravana then, not Storms. Oh they’ll nerf it. Eventually.
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Post by hi5 on Aug 6, 2020 16:53:58 GMT -5
Not holding a beacon in transcendence or PS, that would change things THIS is the change that is desperately needed. You want the bacon, you gotta risk your neck to do it.
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Post by T34 on Aug 6, 2020 18:28:57 GMT -5
Bwahahaha hahahaha, these guys are something else. A full two paragraph explanation trying to justify their, just as expected, nerf cycle. Bold face liars. Again. And again. And again. And again. What a bunch of morons. Buff ——>Player base buys/uses——->nerf———>release new gear———>buff———>player base buys/uses———-Nerf———->etc. Stop upgrading cryo’s immediately. They are next. Get your laser hose gameplay in while you can. 2nd on the list. Reasoning. You dumb. You all bought and leveled. Weapons work well. We can’t have that. Laser hose too good with Hawk. ......and that is the cycle. They arent sellig enough cryos and atomisers.
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