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Post by erik1 on Aug 2, 2020 5:25:14 GMT -5
I didn't create this thread to suggest the best snipers (Flux Behemoth, Ballista Spectre, etc.) because we all have weapons and robots that we like. Rather, I wanted to provide some thoughts on what makes a good sniper, one that "could" help your team. (Given that snipers sometimes get a bad rap) EDIT: Lots of players have made a good point. If you don't care whether or not your hanger has a sniper, skip the sniper. This is for people who really, really like snipers and want to use them effectively. PLEASE POST YOUR TIPS TOO  1. When choosing modules, piloting skills, etc. your focus should mostly be attack, attack, attack. I would advise against armor kits, repair kit, etc. I would even say your sniper's health (not weapons) should be the very, very last thing in your hanger that you upgrade past level 9 (my Natasha is still at level 6!!!). You may ask "Well, won't more health help me last longer?" Yes, you're right. But if you are using a sniper correctly, how often are you going to get hit? And besides, your sniper is supposed to be dealing as much damage as possible, not trying to last the entire 10 minutes of a game. 2. You won't always have the luxury of being able to deal damage from a safe distance, especially if you're limited to one hanger. You'll want to choose weapons that will work in a pinch should you be forced into hand-to-hand combat. Trebuchets are not so scary when facing a knife-fighter, but Molots, Fluxes, etc. "will do" in an emergency. 3. In a beacon rush or domination game, I have rarely said to myself "Ah, stink, I should have started with my sniper." In these kinds of games (where I, unfortunately, have only one hanger available) I specifically choose the sniper if every single enemy robot is far away from the central beacon. A sniper isn't so helpful when there's a whole group of red and blue bots in the center resorting to aggressive negotiations over who gets the center beacon. Choose your dedicated fighters and be there for your team. 4. Know when to quit. Especially in a beacon game, it's okay to eject from or sacrifice your sniper when the enemy is closing in. In a Team Deathmatch game it's true that letting your sniper die will give the other team a point, but sometimes it's better to give the team a point and switch into a mean-lean-killing machine from your hanger. 5. Be choosy about your targets whenever possible. You'll help your team more gunning down a fragile Ares (shields down) than you will softening a tough-as-nails Ravana. Another example: Your sniper is the last bot in your hanger on the map Carrier. Lots of walls in the way. The only target in sight is an awe-inspiring Ao Ming. Your sniper will barely dent it. But if it's your only easy target, and if you are only left with your sniper, it's certainly better then forcing yourself to find another target in vain because you get killed in the process. 6. Remember, you should use the sniper to help your team, not to feel safe in your little comfort zone. Why do I use a Flux / Gekko Natasha? Because I love colorful lasers. But now I have only a "passable" sniper in my hanger. To compensate, I try to support my team as much as possible, instead of trying to make sure the reds don't scratch my Natasha's paint. |
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Post by kingjames4 on Aug 2, 2020 7:22:13 GMT -5
When I first started this game, almost 4 years ago, my favorite build (and the first build I put major resources into) was a trebuchet gekko Natasha. That was my go to bot. I would wear them down and make sure I could hit and do damage (to make sure no physical shield) with the gekkos, then let 'em have it with both barrels of the trebuchets once fully loaded. I ruled with this build for a time, but as I climbed in leagues and faced more physical shields, faster bots, and better pilots, the effectiveness went south very quickly.
The only other "sniper" build that I've had since then was when shocktrains were meta. That is until today with my dragoon Ming. And now I get to relive the thrills and strategies of being a sniper. Picking the right targets, saying out of range and close to cover, picking reds off as they try to sneak from cover to cover. I truelly missed it as all my other builds are more close range fighters.
But even after saying that, I think it would be a major mistake and poor use of resources to build any sniper build, outside of Ming, in this day and age. Too much speed, health, and skill out there for it to be affective.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Aug 2, 2020 7:25:55 GMT -5
I clicked on this thinking, "This isn't going to go well." I was wrong. If one is in love with sniping and that's how they enjoy this game, you've got some nice Commandments up there. God was less wordy though.  Nice. erik1 |
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Post by balrog89 on Aug 2, 2020 11:02:16 GMT -5
I didn't create this thread to suggest the best snipers (Flux Behemoth, Ballista Spectre, etc.) because we all have weapons and robots that we like. Rather, I wanted to provide some thoughts on what makes a good sniper, one that "could" help your team. (Given that snipers sometimes get a bad rap) PLEASE POST YOUR TIPS TOO 1. When choosing modules, piloting skills, etc. your focus should mostly be attack, attack, attack. I would advise against armor kits, repair kit, etc. I would even say your sniper's health (not weapons) should be the very, very last thing in your hanger that you upgrade past level 9 (my Natasha is still at level 6!!!). You may ask "Well, won't more health help me last longer?" Yes, you're right. But if you are using a sniper correctly, how often are you going to get hit? And besides, your sniper is supposed to be dealing as much damage as possible, not trying to last the entire 10 minutes of a game. 2. You won't always have the luxury of being able to deal damage from a safe distance, especially if you're limited to one hanger. You'll want to choose weapons that will work in a pinch should you be forced into hand-to-hand combat. Trebuchets are not so scary when facing a knife-fighter, but Molots, Fluxes, etc. "will do" in an emergency. 3. In a beacon rush or domination game, I have rarely said to myself "Ah, stink, I should have started with my sniper." In these kinds of games (where I, unfortunately, have only one hanger available) I specifically choose the sniper if every single enemy robot is far away from the central beacon. A sniper isn't so helpful when there's a whole group of red and blue bots in the center resorting to aggressive negotiations over who gets the center beacon. Choose your dedicated fighters and be there for your team. 4. Know when to quit. Especially in a beacon game, it's okay to eject from or sacrifice your sniper when the enemy is closing in. In a Team Deathmatch game it's true that letting your sniper die will give the other team a point, but sometimes it's better to give the team a point and switch into a mean-lean-killing machine from your hanger. 5. Be choosy about your targets whenever possible. You'll help your team more gunning down a fragile Ares (shields down) than you will softening a tough-as-nails Ravana. Another example: Your sniper is the last bot in your hanger on the map Carrier. Lots of walls in the way. The only target in sight is an awe-inspiring Ao Ming. Your sniper will barely dent it. But if it's your only easy target, and if you are only left with your sniper, it's certainly better then forcing yourself to find another target in vain because you get killed in the process. 6. Remember, you should use the sniper to help your team, not to feel safe in your little comfort zone. Why do I use a Flux / Gekko Natasha? Because I love colorful lasers. But now I have only a "passable" sniper in my hanger. To compensate, I try to support my team as much as possible, instead of trying to make sure the reds don't scratch my Natasha's paint. I would add.. 7. Don't build a sniper. Unless you want to play TDM on long maps only and even then, once you get to Champions League, you will be slain easily. 8. If you MUST have a sniper.....it exists as a bot called "Titan". That is about it. Seriously. This game does not simulate real warfare. Snipers are not that good in this game. |
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Post by erik1 on Aug 2, 2020 12:19:04 GMT -5
Manni says "Hold my beer."
I'd argue your point and say that Snipers are not "the best" in this game. Not useless, just less useful and more delicate. And I agree with #7, no sniper in your hanger is better than a sniper in your hanger. But considering I just can't enjoy the game without my lasers (and other people like their sniper robots, etc.) I'd say, there are ways to cope with their weaknesses.
EDIT: Yes, I'm only in expert league so far. Unfortunately, I've been facing champion after champion after champion with the *matchmaking* system, but I haven't felt frustration with my sniper vs champion league players, unlike my Lancelot and Inquisitor which I exchanged out of frustration.
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Post by Jeb on Aug 2, 2020 12:28:12 GMT -5
A strong build would be one that's mobile and able to deliver really long range high-damage hits. I'd skip the Behemoth and Raijin builds (although I have to say the Raijin's 30% damage boost in Bastion mode is a selling point) and go for a Trebuchet Butch or Fury. Maybe even a Trebuchet Ao Jun for the mobility+stealth aspect.
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Post by GuitarGuy on Aug 2, 2020 14:54:30 GMT -5
The best sniper is the one who pays attention to the beacon bar and will dump that load out without hesitation and go for beacons. As others have said, you have a sniper, its called a Titan. Also, they are spot on once you move up into Master and Champ league Sniping is not effective in games what deal with beacon control. Range rarely wins battles unless you have a team that knows what your doing and is willing to protect you. That said, if you play solo, Sniping is the WORST loadout to have if you plan on helping your team to victory by beacon comtrol.
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Aug 2, 2020 15:35:59 GMT -5
Oh man, Adrian: "Oh shoot... " Sorry, that kinda says it...  |
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Post by balrog89 on Aug 2, 2020 16:03:29 GMT -5
Manni says "Hold my beer." I'd argue your point and say that Snipers are not "the best" in this game. Not useless, just less useful and more delicate. And I agree with #7, no sniper in your hanger is better than a sniper in your hanger. But considering I just can't enjoy the game without my lasers (and other people like their sniper robots, etc.) I'd say, there are ways to cope with their weaknesses. EDIT: Yes, I'm only in expert league so far. Unfortunately, I've been facing champion after champion after champion with the *matchmaking* system, but I haven't felt frustration with my sniper vs champion league players, unlike my Lancelot and Inquisitor which I exchanged out of frustration. Manni....he is an ok YTer. I would argue that there are many here who are better players than he is(I am not insinuating that I am one). He plays FFA almost exclusively in his vids and is many times pitted against players much, much lower on the power spectrum. You also have to acknowledge how many hours one has to play to get just the right footage for a vid. Overall, using Manni is not a good argument. However, my 1st post to you was not to be taken 100% seriously. If you want a serious reply, here it is: You play you. You get from this game what you wish. If you want to play snipers, then you play snipers. Just be aware, this is a beacon control game. Nothing more and nothing less. As you move up in ranks, you will realize that sniper builds are many times a detriment to winning. You will not be a popular teammate on the field. This is not to say that sniper builds are totally useless. The sniping Spectre can and does score a good amount of damage. Meta has changed however. Good luck sniping that Ravana. Good luck getting good damage on those bots with DR. Good luck not being a sitting duck to things like Scorpions and Phantoms. Good luck not being made useless for long stretches of time as Champions League players move in and out of cover. Have fun in the back, camping out while your blues lose bot after bot because your presence would have been better spent up at the beacon, scoring real damage in a brawler. There are a few who play snipers effective enough to change the flow of the game. Sad thing is, I haven't seen one in months. The way this game values brawling weapons and therefore gives brawling weapons better damage, pretty much means 99.9% of all sniping builds are not near as useful as brawling builds. To waste valuable time and resources on them is.....foolish for lack of a better word. But even after saying all that, if sniping makes you happy......keep on doing it. I will be up there in the thick of things having fun. |
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Post by Garbage game on Aug 2, 2020 17:08:57 GMT -5
I didn't create this thread to suggest the best snipers (Flux Behemoth, Ballista Spectre, etc.) because we all have weapons and robots that we like. Rather, I wanted to provide some thoughts on what makes a good sniper, one that "could" help your team. (Given that snipers sometimes get a bad rap) EDIT: Lots of players have made a good point. If you don't care whether or not your hanger has a sniper, skip the sniper. This is for people who really, really like snipers and want to use them effectively. PLEASE POST YOUR TIPS TOO 1. When choosing modules, piloting skills, etc. your focus should mostly be attack, attack, attack. I would advise against armor kits, repair kit, etc. I would even say your sniper's health (not weapons) should be the very, very last thing in your hanger that you upgrade past level 9 (my Natasha is still at level 6!!!). You may ask "Well, won't more health help me last longer?" Yes, you're right. But if you are using a sniper correctly, how often are you going to get hit? And besides, your sniper is supposed to be dealing as much damage as possible, not trying to last the entire 10 minutes of a game. 2. You won't always have the luxury of being able to deal damage from a safe distance, especially if you're limited to one hanger. You'll want to choose weapons that will work in a pinch should you be forced into hand-to-hand combat. Trebuchets are not so scary when facing a knife-fighter, but Molots, Fluxes, etc. "will do" in an emergency. 3. In a beacon rush or domination game, I have rarely said to myself "Ah, stink, I should have started with my sniper." In these kinds of games (where I, unfortunately, have only one hanger available) I specifically choose the sniper if every single enemy robot is far away from the central beacon. A sniper isn't so helpful when there's a whole group of red and blue bots in the center resorting to aggressive negotiations over who gets the center beacon. Choose your dedicated fighters and be there for your team. 4. Know when to quit. Especially in a beacon game, it's okay to eject from or sacrifice your sniper when the enemy is closing in. In a Team Deathmatch game it's true that letting your sniper die will give the other team a point, but sometimes it's better to give the team a point and switch into a mean-lean-killing machine from your hanger. 5. Be choosy about your targets whenever possible. You'll help your team more gunning down a fragile Ares (shields down) than you will softening a tough-as-nails Ravana. Another example: Your sniper is the last bot in your hanger on the map Carrier. Lots of walls in the way. The only target in sight is an awe-inspiring Ao Ming. Your sniper will barely dent it. But if it's your only easy target, and if you are only left with your sniper, it's certainly better then forcing yourself to find another target in vain because you get killed in the process. 6. Remember, you should use the sniper to help your team, not to feel safe in your little comfort zone. Why do I use a Flux / Gekko Natasha? Because I love colorful lasers. But now I have only a "passable" sniper in my hanger. To compensate, I try to support my team as much as possible, instead of trying to make sure the reds don't scratch my Natasha's paint. Lockdown ammo Ao Qin lvl 1 with Module Expert and Gekkos. Immediately fly towards reds at the start of the match. Lockdown Ammo. Lock everyone down. Die instantly once you get into range of another bot. Spawn something more useful. I find myself using fewer and fewer bots a match. Most of them are just along for the ride. So one suicide placeholder bot works fine. |
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Post by Grrrega on Aug 3, 2020 0:33:36 GMT -5
5. Be choosy about your targets whenever possible. You'll help your team more gunning down a fragile Ares (shields down) than you will softening a tough-as-nails Ravana. I disagree here (but don't run snipers). If you can make enemy robots use their ability early that matters a lot to me brawling them. So Ravana with one or two charges less is easier to kill. It's not always about the health... But I still agree you should kill any fragile robots while pants down. |
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Post by vonpaulus on Aug 3, 2020 1:22:49 GMT -5
Very well thought out OP.
Some extra thoughts.
1) Maneouever to where you can support your teammates. Snipers who sit near their home spawn really don’t help their team much. Snipers who can fire into critical areas and watch their buddy’s back help.
2) Choose your active modules wisely. The 2 that IMO match best with snipers are LD ammo and Death Mark. Jump Unit may help you get into good positions so is worth considering. Quantum Radar may help you get some shots on a target that may otherwise be. Shieldbreaker is another that I would consider depending on what you see in your games.
The healing modules and PS are not needed on snipers.
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Post by erik1 on Aug 3, 2020 1:48:32 GMT -5
5. Be choosy about your targets whenever possible. You'll help your team more gunning down a fragile Ares (shields down) than you will softening a tough-as-nails Ravana. I disagree here (but don't run snipers). If you can make enemy robots use their ability early that matters a lot to me brawling them. So Ravana with one or two charges less is easier to kill. It's not always about the health... That is a veeeeeeeery good point. |
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Post by bahogilok on Aug 3, 2020 20:58:37 GMT -5
Yes, I'm only in expert league so far. Unfortunately, I've been facing champion after champion after champion with the *matchmaking* system, but I haven't felt frustration with my sniper vs champion league players, unlike my Lancelot and Inquisitor which I exchanged out of frustration. You are facing low champs, when you reach champions league you will then face high champions. There is a very big difference between low champs with sub mk2 gear and a high champion player with full mk2 hangar. that said, contrary to what most people say, mid range builds can be viable even in upper leagues - dragoon class weapons, pulsars, and to some extent corrosion weapons still pack a punch at 600m. Unfortunately these are expensive to level up, and resources are better spent on weapons that can do more damage and have more impact on the game |
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Post by CarlosDanger on Aug 4, 2020 1:12:04 GMT -5
The most important thing in building a sniper robot is making sure the eject button works. Drop it, snipe for a couple minutes and get out of it.
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Post by milty72 on Aug 4, 2020 4:19:49 GMT -5
My favourite go to Sniper is the Mighty Nashorn Ao Jun.
Stealth. Tick
Flight. Tick
Corrosive Dragon Breath. Tick
Plus the MIGHTY DUAL NASHORNS OF PURE PAIN!!
*may make an Ao Jun slightly impotent
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Post by cheap on Aug 4, 2020 5:53:34 GMT -5
The most important thing in building a sniper robot is making sure the eject button works. Drop it, snipe for a couple minutes and get out of it. best Sniper advice. any Good Sniper Builder should have a Player that Runs it know when to Dump said(or typed) build. knowing when to Dump your Sniping is a Must. |
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Post by Oliver Kloesov on Aug 7, 2020 7:46:23 GMT -5
best Sniper advice. any Good Sniper Builder should have a Player that Runs it know when to Dump said(or typed) build. knowing when to Dump your Sniping is a Must. In a similar vein: In a match this morning, I got excited about all the mayhem and beacon capping I was doing in my beloved Nightingale. And as I scrambled, dodged, suppressed, and re-capped they kept adding AMs to their ranks. Aaaaand I shoulda dumped my pretty bird and thrown in my Arthur to gain their respect and/or scrap metal. I may not have cost us the match but I learned, like sniping, "you gotta know when to fold 'em." |
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Post by balrog89 on Aug 8, 2020 1:33:23 GMT -5
Yes, I'm only in expert league so far. Unfortunately, I've been facing champion after champion after champion with the *matchmaking* system, but I haven't felt frustration with my sniper vs champion league players, unlike my Lancelot and Inquisitor which I exchanged out of frustration. You are facing low champs, when you reach champions league you will then face high champions. There is a very big difference between low champs with sub mk2 gear and a high champion player with full mk2 hangar. that said, contrary to what most people say, mid range builds can be viable even in upper leagues - dragoon class weapons, pulsars, and to some extent corrosion weapons still pack a punch at 600m. Unfortunately these are expensive to level up, and resources are better spent on weapons that can do more damage and have more impact on the game I have faced some maxed MR builds that downright hurt. Even with abilities going, both Leech and Blitz get seriously hurt when hit with a corrosion Leech or Spectre. Those same bots with Pulsars are wicked. My only issue is that these builds tend to promote passive play. That is not to say all players who run them play passively, but the overwhelming majority do. That is my main complaint about both MR and sniper builds.....the passive, never approaching the beacon gameplay that seems to result from those builds. If hit once by those builds, I mark their location and move so that I am blocked from them. I then leave them alone until either the red team is thinned out a bit or I drop a bot that can get to them safely. |
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Post by vonpaulus on Aug 8, 2020 7:07:45 GMT -5
One point I cannot emphasize enough:
Never start with your sniper if you’re playing a beacon game, especially on a sniper friendly map like canyon or Yamantu.
It may be fine if you are the only sniper, but when your team drops 4 snipers as the opening bots you have just handed the reds the game. Establishing a beacon lead forces the reds to come out of cover to contest beacons, which allows your sniper to shine. If the reds have the beacon lead they can sit in cover and wait you out until time finishes.
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Aug 8, 2020 14:30:15 GMT -5
I'd add to point number 6 that it is crucial to know where you'll be useful. You often see campers parked on a hill shooting at anything that moves in the open. It's probably better to get in a position that allows you to shoot at beacon defenders. While your brawlers are fighting on the beacon try to be in a position that allows you to take out anyone trying to approach to join the battle. This works in domination mode only forget about snipers in beacon rush.
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Post by balrog89 on Aug 8, 2020 19:28:34 GMT -5
I'd add to point number 6 that it is crucial to know where you'll be useful. You often see campers parked on a hill shooting at anything that moves in the open. It's probably better to get in a position that allows you to shoot at beacon defenders. While your brawlers are fighting on the beacon try to be in a position that allows you to take out anyone trying to approach to join the battle. This works in domination mode only forget about snipers in beacon rush. Hahaha. When Behemoths first came out, I won one. I had some old 1.12 Trebs laying around from waaaaayyyyyy back when Butches were new. I never even took the time to mk2 them. Still got them in fact. Anyway, I wanted to see what a Behemoth could do so(and who doesn't love the WHOOOMP or trebs) I put it in my hanger at lvl1. I drew Castle map. Dropped in and moved to that perfect spot where you can see the reds spawn on Dom mode. I 1-shotted a few reds as they dropped. Was awesome. Never played another game with it....... |
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Post by Sebenza 21 on Aug 9, 2020 3:07:20 GMT -5
Yeah I don't use snipers either but the same rules of sniping can be applies to medium ranged support bots. My camality/scourge fenrir does a bit of midrange support as it slowly makes it's way to the beacon.
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 10, 2020 14:54:53 GMT -5
4. Know when to quit. Especially in a beacon game, it's okay to eject from or sacrifice your sniper when the enemy is closing in. In a Team Deathmatch game it's true that letting your sniper die will give the other team a point, but sometimes it's better to give the team a point and switch into a mean-lean-killing machine from your hanger. You forgot the most important point. Beacons, in a beacon game. If your team is behind, ditch the wretched thing and get into something that can get beacons. In the sniper, protect beacons. Protect your teammates going for beacons, attack enemies going for beacons. But they never do. Regardless of whether it's a 「fluffernutter」ing Hydra Spectre, Flux Behemoth or Zenit Natasha, they won't even die on a beacon if they're standing next to it. No, if someone goes for that beacon they will just run for cover and let the enemy just have it. In beacon rush of course, where we all know it's super easy to get a beacon back.
Oh yes, equally important. Never run a sniper in beacon rush. If you do serious damage, someone will spawn reasonably close to you and you're toast. But you rarely do, as a sniper won't seriously damage Ravanas, Phantoms, Nightinggales and Blitzes going for beacons. You're losing games this way. It's 5v6 for that game.
I really, really like it if a sniper is on the other side. One less bot to worry about. If it gets annoying, it's not too much trouble to jump into something that can kill it (I have 4 bots with 500m range, and 5 bots that can cover large distances quickly).
If you must run a sniper, run Tempests. They can do some reasonable damage up close.
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Post by erik1 on Aug 10, 2020 23:26:59 GMT -5
4. Know when to quit. Especially in a beacon game, it's okay to eject from or sacrifice your sniper when the enemy is closing in. In a Team Deathmatch game it's true that letting your sniper die will give the other team a point, but sometimes it's better to give the team a point and switch into a mean-lean-killing machine from your hanger. You forgot the most important point. Beacons, in a beacon game. If your team is behind, ditch the wretched thing and get into something that can get beacons. In the sniper, protect beacons. Protect your teammates going for beacons, attack enemies going for beacons. But they never do. Regardless of whether it's a ?fluffernutter?ing Hydra Spectre, Flux Behemoth or Zenit Natasha, they won't even die on a beacon if they're standing next to it. No, if someone goes for that beacon they will just run for cover and let the enemy just have it. In beacon rush of course, where we all know it's super easy to get a beacon back.
Oh yes, equally important. Never run a sniper in beacon rush. If you do serious damage, someone will spawn reasonably close to you and you're toast. But you rarely do, as a sniper won't seriously damage Ravanas, Phantoms, Nightinggales and Blitzes going for beacons. You're losing games this way. It's 5v6 for that game.
I really, really like it if a sniper is on the other side. One less bot to worry about. If it gets annoying, it's not too much trouble to jump into something that can kill it (I have 4 bots with 500m range, and 5 bots that can cover large distances quickly).
If you must run a sniper, run Tempests. They can do some reasonable damage up close.
Yes, very good point. I say it again...If you have only one hanger, and if you really, really want a sniper as part of it, choose something that you can use up close in an emergency. Trebuchets and Zenits are not. |
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Post by Zavratatar on Aug 11, 2020 5:24:22 GMT -5
I think snipers have a role to play in beacon games, but I think about them as an option for a specific scenario, not as a bot that gets dropped every game. If you drop a long-range bot when your team has a 3-2 advantage, you'll get a much better target environment as enemy bots have to cross open areas and come out of cover to get to your beacons. Sniping when you're down 2-3 is a recipe for a lost game. So think about your sniper bot in this context, and the focus will perhaps be something other than "this bot can fit as many trebuchets as possible". My "sniper" bot is an Ares with pulsars and shredders, and I drop it to stop phantoms and leeches from rushing beacon defenders. It can also drain significant charges from approaching ravanas by re-locking them after every transcendence. It is mobile enough to move around and try to deliver damage from side angles if the opposition takes a 3-2 beacon lead, and the built in laser cannons offer significant damage at range.
But just try to go by these guidelines:
* Drop a sniper if you're 3-2 and can get into a good position fast to make it difficult to retake the contested beacon.
* If that beacon gets taken, launch into an offensive to retake it or another beacon that will either succeed or kill your bot, when you're behind you can't play defensive sniping because there's nothing to defend against.
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Post by cheap on Aug 11, 2020 6:57:02 GMT -5
if you run a Sniper Build go for the Fast Recharge Skill, Arbalest an Ballista's can do a Good deal of Damage by just taking Quick Pot Shots at a Target with that Skill.
as others have Mentioned DMG modules an Pilot Skills for a Dedicated Sniper Build.
with that Typed is it Better to Run "Basil" i think that was his name the one that does extra dmg for Long Range Weapons, or Adrian?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2020 0:18:17 GMT -5
For the longest time, I ran Marquees/Hussar Raven...LOTS of fun.
Often time, could get half the reds to chase after me. Too bad my teammates were 「fluffernutter」ing morons...
It all depends on what you do with it. I would start with it, grab a beacon or two, then start capping Jun/Loki/Nightingale/Spectre/Phantom or any other vermin. Itâs very good to use as a quick response to save a beacon on Yamatou(sp) or on long maps...
If you are using a laser setup, you are meat.
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 12, 2020 1:57:46 GMT -5
I think snipers have a role to play in beacon games, but I think about them as an option for a specific scenario, not as a bot that gets dropped every game. If you drop a long-range bot when your team has a 3-2 advantage, you'll get a much better target environment as enemy bots have to cross open areas and come out of cover to get to your beacons. Sniping when you're down 2-3 is a recipe for a lost game. So think about your sniper bot in this context, and the focus will perhaps be something other than "this bot can fit as many trebuchets as possible". My "sniper" bot is an Ares with pulsars and shredders, and I drop it to stop phantoms and leeches from rushing beacon defenders. Anything within 600m is usually not considered a sniper That's a pretty good all-round build. The 600m weapons deal pretty reasonable damage, which can't be said for anything with more range except Tempests.
But a true sniper relies on enemy bots being out in the open, so their long-range weapons can whittle down their health. This works in Domination, at least in some maps and in some leagues. But IMO not at all in beacon rush.
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Post by Zavratatar on Aug 12, 2020 2:58:14 GMT -5
I think snipers have a role to play in beacon games, but I think about them as an option for a specific scenario, not as a bot that gets dropped every game. If you drop a long-range bot when your team has a 3-2 advantage, you'll get a much better target environment as enemy bots have to cross open areas and come out of cover to get to your beacons. Sniping when you're down 2-3 is a recipe for a lost game. So think about your sniper bot in this context, and the focus will perhaps be something other than "this bot can fit as many trebuchets as possible". My "sniper" bot is an Ares with pulsars and shredders, and I drop it to stop phantoms and leeches from rushing beacon defenders. Anything within 600m is usually not considered a sniper That's a pretty good all-round build. The 600m weapons deal pretty reasonable damage, which can't be said for anything with more range except Tempests.
But a true sniper relies on enemy bots being out in the open, so their long-range weapons can whittle down their health. This works in Domination, at least in some maps and in some leagues. But IMO not at all in beacon rush.
No I agree, if you want snipers to be like 800m+, they're more or less useless because the areas they can threaten well are only present on 3-4 maps, on the rest they're just pointless. I had a game yesterday with a treb sniper on dead city on the opposing team... Everyone just ignored him and we played 6 vs 5 advantage. If you want to play "true" snipers you should probably play behemoth with trebs and Quantum Radar, focusing on dealing fully loaded bursts to Ao Juns. Those targets are available for a very long part of the game |
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