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Post by foxypotato on Aug 3, 2020 11:32:12 GMT -5
foxypotatoThat would be nice, but it isn't going to happen. Yeah, Spectre and Haechi got nerfs and other bots got buffed in the same update that was overall beneficial for the game. It took over a year for Ao Jun to get a nerf and Pixonic nerfed Avenger along with it. Shotguns took the hit instead of Leech as well. However nowadays you're going to have to consider just how many bots need to be tweaked. To get whatever arbitrary level of balance that would make you happy with this game, Pixonic would need to change so much. Both Ravana and its pilot would need to be reworked, Leech and its pilot would need to be reworked, Plasma Ming would need to be reworked, Phantom and its pilot would need to be reworked , Nodens would need to be reworked, cryo weapons would need to be reworked. It's unrealistic to expect anything closely resembling 'balance' in a P2W free mobile game, especially with the amount of content being released. It's already August and we're still getting another Titan and a completely new drone system. The game you loved is dead, boy. Noodles and the weapons are fine. Weapons can fit any bot so I dont see the need to nerf weapons. I have never really been an advocate for weapons nerf with the exception being Shocktrain. That thing was just stupid. But yes, AM, Phantom, Leech, Ao Jun and Ares all need proper nerfs. If they can take the time to add them to the game then they can take the time to make them proper additions to the game. They won't do it anytime soon because the large power imbalance these bots create makes their adoption almost mandatory to be able to play the game in Champions League and this serves as a incentive for players to roll loot boxes to get one and to purchase the Ag and Au needed to level one in a convinent time span. Just making them more powerful and different like the old days is not enough. Pix has to make them so they absolutely dominate older bots to force their adoption.
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Post by Spicy Jones on Aug 3, 2020 12:41:05 GMT -5
funny enough, i just saw AD Gaming YT video testing the new pilot... its bugged... doesnt work. At least on Android. It does almost ZERO leech dmg in return, switching to a regular pilot, it did its normal amount. haha, ironic for a pilot that is supposed to do significantly more return dmg... Pixonic going with tradition. Every new Legendary they've released was bugged on launch
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Post by Spicy Jones on Aug 3, 2020 12:44:12 GMT -5
foxypotato That would be nice, but it isn't going to happen. Yeah, Spectre and Haechi got nerfs and other bots got buffed in the same update that was overall beneficial for the game. It took over a year for Ao Jun to get a nerf and Pixonic nerfed Avenger along with it. Shotguns took the hit instead of Leech as well. However nowadays you're going to have to consider just how many bots need to be tweaked. To get whatever arbitrary level of balance that would make you happy with this game, Pixonic would need to change so much. Both Ravana and its pilot would need to be reworked, Leech and its pilot would need to be reworked, Plasma Ming would need to be reworked, Phantom and its pilot would need to be reworked , Nodens would need to be reworked, cryo weapons would need to be reworked. It's unrealistic to expect anything closely resembling 'balance' in a P2W free mobile game, especially with the amount of content being released. It's already August and we're still getting another Titan and a completely new drone system. The game you loved is dead, boy. Noodles and the weapons are fine. Weapons can fit any bot so I dont see the need to nerf weapons. I have never really been an advocate for weapons nerf with the exception being Shocktrain. That thing was just stupid. But yes, AM, Phantom, Leech, Ao Jun and Ares all need proper nerfs. If they can take the time to add them to the game then they can take the time to make them proper additions to the game. They won't do it anytime soon because the large power imbalance these bots create makes their adoption almost mandatory to be able to play the game in Champions League and this serves as a incentive for players to roll loot boxes to get one and to purchase the Ag and Au needed to level one in a convinent time span. Just making them more powerful and different like the old days is not enough. Pix has to make them so they absolutely dominate older bots to force their adoption. Whoa, Ares and Ao Jun? They're last gen meta and don't need anything(else) done to them. Now it's Ravana, Blitz, Leech, Scorpion, Phantom at the top of the food chain
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Post by frunobulax on Aug 3, 2020 15:47:34 GMT -5
But yes, AM, Phantom, Leech, Ao Jun and Ares all need proper nerfs. If they can take the time to add them to the game then they can take the time to make them proper additions to the game. Whoa, Ares and Ao Jun? They're last gen meta and don't need anything(else) done to them. Now it's Ravana, Blitz, Leech, Scorpion, Phantom at the top of the food chain I still see more AJs than any other bot in champ. Well, maybe second to Ravana now.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 3, 2020 19:00:31 GMT -5
Noodles and the weapons are fine. Weapons can fit any bot so I dont see the need to nerf weapons. I have never really been an advocate for weapons nerf with the exception being Shocktrain. That thing was just stupid. But yes, AM, Phantom, Leech, Ao Jun and Ares all need proper nerfs. If they can take the time to add them to the game then they can take the time to make them proper additions to the game. They won't do it anytime soon because the large power imbalance these bots create makes their adoption almost mandatory to be able to play the game in Champions League and this serves as a incentive for players to roll loot boxes to get one and to purchase the Ag and Au needed to level one in a convinent time span. Just making them more powerful and different like the old days is not enough. Pix has to make them so they absolutely dominate older bots to force their adoption. Whoa, Ares and Ao Jun? They're last gen meta and don't need anything(else) done to them. Now it's Ravana, Blitz, Leech, Scorpion, Phantom at the top of the food chain Ao Jun and Ares are still crazy OP. The idea of built in weapons is bull「dookie」 and then they do insane damage which is even more bull「dookie」. The Ao Jun singlehandedly makes a large chunk of bots simply unplayable do to its insane speed, stealth and built in auto flame thrower. If can appear distant in the horizon, travel to you and then do insane DPS and destroy your bot in the time it takes just to walk from one peice of cover to the next. If you bot is slower than 50KPH then the Ao Jun makes it basically unplayable and that is unacceptable. That combination should not exist. Ares is a similar offender in that the built in weapons do so much damage that they can take a large chuck of a bots HP away if not all of it in a few seconds. That type of DPS only existed in the game as 300 rockets. These are built in weapons with much more range on a bot that still has 4 weapon slots and a built in hacked infinite Ageis. Utter bull「dookie」.
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Post by CravenSouls on Aug 3, 2020 19:58:51 GMT -5
Anyways, I think the new pilot is good.
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Post by CravenSouls on Aug 3, 2020 21:49:22 GMT -5
Also, stop nerfing all the things.
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Post by rags on Aug 4, 2020 0:59:22 GMT -5
Whoa, Ares and Ao Jun? They're last gen meta and don't need anything(else) done to them. Now it's Ravana, Blitz, Leech, Scorpion, Phantom at the top of the food chain Ao Jun and Ares are still crazy OP. The idea of built in weapons is bull?dookie? and then they do insane damage which is even more bull?dookie?. The Ao Jun singlehandedly makes a large chunk of bots simply unplayable do to its insane speed, stealth and built in auto flame thrower. If can appear distant in the horizon, travel to you and then do insane DPS and destroy your bot in the time it takes just to walk from one peice of cover to the next. If you bot is slower than 50KPH then the Ao Jun makes it basically unplayable and that is unacceptable. That combination should not exist. Ares is a similar offender in that the built in weapons do so much damage that they can take a large chuck of a bots HP away if not all of it in a few seconds. That type of DPS only existed in the game as 300 rockets. These are built in weapons with much more range on a bot that still has 4 weapon slots and a built in hacked infinite Ageis. Utter bull?dookie?. Ares is so fragile bro. They get absolutely wrecked nowadays. Seriously it is so easy to kill them. But before u said Nodens is fine? A max Nodens is almost indestructible.
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Post by indian on Aug 4, 2020 3:05:30 GMT -5
I will (as a free to play player) say that nerfing any bot or weapon is not good to the health of the game... When Pixonic releases a bot or weapon, its not in any type of currencies anymore right?? Its only available through gambling. And then when the whales accommodate the new stuff they instantly max it out. When the new stuff is out on sale for RM its already 2 months and then after a month or two it is brought to the workshop, which after a month or so the Free to play player gets hands on it, but if Pixonic now decides it to nerf (because its 6 months old) we the FTP players loose so much of time and resources for nothing.
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Post by Spicy Jones on Aug 4, 2020 4:56:41 GMT -5
Whoa, Ares and Ao Jun? They're last gen meta and don't need anything(else) done to them. Now it's Ravana, Blitz, Leech, Scorpion, Phantom at the top of the food chain Ao Jun and Ares are still crazy OP. The idea of built in weapons is bull?dookie? and then they do insane damage which is even more bull?dookie?. The Ao Jun singlehandedly makes a large chunk of bots simply unplayable do to its insane speed, stealth and built in auto flame thrower. If can appear distant in the horizon, travel to you and then do insane DPS and destroy your bot in the time it takes just to walk from one peice of cover to the next. If you bot is slower than 50KPH then the Ao Jun makes it basically unplayable and that is unacceptable. That combination should not exist. Ares is a similar offender in that the built in weapons do so much damage that they can take a large chuck of a bots HP away if not all of it in a few seconds. That type of DPS only existed in the game as 300 rockets. These are built in weapons with much more range on a bot that still has 4 weapon slots and a built in hacked infinite Ageis. Utter bull?dookie?. I don't know what to tell you. Ares is no longer a threat, and Ao Jun has been nerfed to a very reasonable level. You're playing this game like it's still 2017, and that's fine if you enjoy yourself, but coming in here pissing about new meta bots and their pilots being OP serves absolutely no purpose. Nobody is telling you to play silver hangars in Champions League yet you hold some sort of animosity to players who do use competitive hangars. Fact, Leech isn't the top bot in the game anymore. The weakest titan in the game trounces Leech all day. Some more facts, you can make all the OP bots and weapons in the WS. Everything is available to F2P and paying players alike, so get on making that Ravana.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 4, 2020 6:26:09 GMT -5
Ao Jun and Ares are still crazy OP. The idea of built in weapons is bull?dookie? and then they do insane damage which is even more bull?dookie?. The Ao Jun singlehandedly makes a large chunk of bots simply unplayable do to its insane speed, stealth and built in auto flame thrower. If can appear distant in the horizon, travel to you and then do insane DPS and destroy your bot in the time it takes just to walk from one peice of cover to the next. If you bot is slower than 50KPH then the Ao Jun makes it basically unplayable and that is unacceptable. That combination should not exist. Ares is a similar offender in that the built in weapons do so much damage that they can take a large chuck of a bots HP away if not all of it in a few seconds. That type of DPS only existed in the game as 300 rockets. These are built in weapons with much more range on a bot that still has 4 weapon slots and a built in hacked infinite Ageis. Utter bull?dookie?. Ares is so fragile bro. They get absolutely wrecked nowadays. Seriously it is so easy to kill them. But before u said Nodens is fine? A max Nodens is almost indestructible. Ares is fragile but those built in weapons do way too much base damage. The Specter was fragile too but the pre nerf speed and stealth duration made it so it didn't matter. Same with the Ares. It has a god bubble and a fast walking speed. It can be absolutely immune to damage if played even remotely competently. The bots ability is also supposed to be absorption and retribution and not just a god bubble with built in insanely powerful weapons. Those weapons should only be as powerful as they are in game after they have absorbed damage but the absorber shield can take no damage and the Ares still just melts bots with the built in weapons. They did tweak the movement speed in a nerf to make it easier to bots to get into the bubble and that was the right move but the built in weapons were never addressed. Same with Ao Jun auto Ember. Nodens seems fine to me. Plasma AM are the problem Titan builds that need to be addressed. At least make the murder beams stop going through walls.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 4, 2020 6:39:33 GMT -5
Ao Jun and Ares are still crazy OP. The idea of built in weapons is bull?dookie? and then they do insane damage which is even more bull?dookie?. The Ao Jun singlehandedly makes a large chunk of bots simply unplayable do to its insane speed, stealth and built in auto flame thrower. If can appear distant in the horizon, travel to you and then do insane DPS and destroy your bot in the time it takes just to walk from one peice of cover to the next. If you bot is slower than 50KPH then the Ao Jun makes it basically unplayable and that is unacceptable. That combination should not exist. Ares is a similar offender in that the built in weapons do so much damage that they can take a large chuck of a bots HP away if not all of it in a few seconds. That type of DPS only existed in the game as 300 rockets. These are built in weapons with much more range on a bot that still has 4 weapon slots and a built in hacked infinite Ageis. Utter bull?dookie?. I don't know what to tell you. Ares is no longer a threat, and Ao Jun has been nerfed to a very reasonable level. You're playing this game like it's still 2017, and that's fine if you enjoy yourself, but coming in here pissing about new meta bots and their pilots being OP serves absolutely no purpose. Nobody is telling you to play silver hangars in Champions League yet you hold some sort of animosity to players who do use competitive hangars. Fact, Leech isn't the top bot in the game anymore. The weakest titan in the game trounces Leech all day. Some more facts, you can make all the OP bots and weapons in the WS. Everything is available to F2P and paying players alike, so get on making that Ravana.  Even much newer additions to the have been made difficult to play or even unplayable thanks to the massive power gap that exists thanks to the meta power creep. Try playing literally anything that is not part of the current meta any you will be at an enormous disadvantage and not having a pleasant time. This is why people are often forced to adopt the meta. They have to becuse the power gap is so wide that they have to adopt in order to compete. You also seem to have the mentality that nust because a bot is no longer the #1 bot then that means it is fine and balanced. That is nonsense. There should be a level playing field here with many viable bots and and a shifting meta based on the rock paper scissors. It is not supposed to be a pyramid where one bot is top and then a few others are below it. If it is going to be a pyramid then broaden the base and shorten the height with nerfs to the top and buffs to the bottom. 「dookie」 has been so out of balance with the game for so long that I think the playerbase is tainted now. You all need stay the hell away from BoT when this game dies.
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Post by Spicy Jones on Aug 4, 2020 7:17:40 GMT -5
I don't know what to tell you. Ares is no longer a threat, and Ao Jun has been nerfed to a very reasonable level. You're playing this game like it's still 2017, and that's fine if you enjoy yourself, but coming in here pissing about new meta bots and their pilots being OP serves absolutely no purpose. Nobody is telling you to play silver hangars in Champions League yet you hold some sort of animosity to players who do use competitive hangars. Fact, Leech isn't the top bot in the game anymore. The weakest titan in the game trounces Leech all day. Some more facts, you can make all the OP bots and weapons in the WS. Everything is available to F2P and paying players alike, so get on making that Ravana.  Even much newer additions to the have been made difficult to play or even unplayable thanks to the massive power gap that exists thanks to the meta power creep. Try playing literally anything that is not part of the current meta any you will be at an enormous disadvantage and not having a pleasant time. This is why people are often forced to adopt the meta. They have to becuse the power gap is so wide that they have to adopt in order to compete. You also seem to have the mentality that nust because a bot is no longer the #1 bot then that means it is fine and balanced. That is nonsense. There should be a level playing field here with many viable bots and and a shifting meta based on the rock paper scissors. It is not supposed to be a pyramid where one bot is top and then a few others are below it. If it is going to be a pyramid then broaden the base and shorten the height with nerfs to the top and buffs to the bottom. ?dookie? has been so out of balance with the game for so long that I think the playerbase is tainted now. You all need stay the hell away from BoT when this game dies. I already said the top meta bots are OP so I don't get what point you're making about my "mentality". I'm saying it's unreasonable to piss and moan about balance when Pixonic is introducing new metas into the game all the time. It certainly isn't the player's fault that the game is imbalanced, so you need to stop with that nonsense right away because I'mma enjoy BoT AND War Robots. What purpose does you coming into this thread complaining about power creep have? A thread about Leech's new pilot and you start arguing about how OP Leech is. Why?
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 4, 2020 7:57:31 GMT -5
Even much newer additions to the have been made difficult to play or even unplayable thanks to the massive power gap that exists thanks to the meta power creep. Try playing literally anything that is not part of the current meta any you will be at an enormous disadvantage and not having a pleasant time. This is why people are often forced to adopt the meta. They have to becuse the power gap is so wide that they have to adopt in order to compete. You also seem to have the mentality that nust because a bot is no longer the #1 bot then that means it is fine and balanced. That is nonsense. There should be a level playing field here with many viable bots and and a shifting meta based on the rock paper scissors. It is not supposed to be a pyramid where one bot is top and then a few others are below it. If it is going to be a pyramid then broaden the base and shorten the height with nerfs to the top and buffs to the bottom. ?dookie? has been so out of balance with the game for so long that I think the playerbase is tainted now. You all need stay the hell away from BoT when this game dies. I already said the top meta bots are OP so I don't get what point you're making about my "mentality". I'm saying it's unreasonable to piss and moan about balance when Pixonic is introducing new metas into the game all the time. It certainly isn't the player's fault that the game is imbalanced, so you need to stop with that nonsense right away because I'mma enjoy BoT AND War Robots. What purpose does you coming into this thread complaining about power creep have? A thread about Leech's new pilot and you start arguing about how OP Leech is. Why? It's not pissing and moaning when I am defending a nerf. The pissing and moaning from my perspective is coming from those that dont want to see their Leech or other meta item nerfed. They dont want game balanced or if they do then they dont want to be part of it. They either payed or ground out their meta items and dont want them changed. Game balanced be damned.
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Post by Spicy Jones on Aug 4, 2020 8:11:29 GMT -5
foxypotatoWhatever you say, dude. It's not like your first several posts to the thread are complaining about Leech being OP or anything. Nobody here is upset the new Leech pilot is trash, in fact nobody is surprised. I voted for Leo and Bulg to get the pilot but oh well.
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Post by CravenSouls on Aug 4, 2020 9:12:46 GMT -5
Why should robots that people have bought and paid real money for be changed after purchase?
If you don't like the game, don't play.
I like tge power creep. It keeps things interesting. I dont want to sit here and play the same game I played in 2017.
New more powerful things gives me something to strive for. Something to try to figure out new tactics.
I like the new pilot and ill put it on my Scarb Leech as soon as the speed issue is fixed.
In other news, this thread is off track and should be locked.
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Post by foxypotato on Aug 4, 2020 11:08:47 GMT -5
Why should robots that people have bought and paid real money for be changed after purchase? If you don't like the game, don't play. I like tge power creep. It keeps things interesting. I dont want to sit here and play the same game I played in 2017. New more powerful things gives me something to strive for. Something to try to figure out new tactics. I like the new pilot and ill put it on my Scarb Leech as soon as the speed issue is fixed. In other news, this thread is off track and should be locked. I often wonder is this the only video game some of you have ever played. Nerf and buff cycles are common place in games and a vital part of maintaining the health of the game. Some of you act like it is strange practice and that game balance is a strange concept. Some even advocate that because something was purchased with money then it should be imbalanced. That's advocating pay to win. Pix is really on to something. They have the psychology their players figured out. I would love to see their data profiles on player behavior. Coming from my end it is bizzare to see the players of a game advocate along the lines of: "I purchased my [insert item] so I should dominate those who do not have [said item]." Usually there is a common understanding in the community that game balance is needed for both the long term health of the game and to ensure an enjoyable gaming experience. Items can be better than others but there is often some sort of trade off or weaknesses with the stronger item. Not with War Robots. Better is just better to the point that you have to have it or you are doomed. I'll give pix credit through. They have figured out a strategy with constant meta cycles and power creep to keep players spending and grinding just to play the game. You can have a perfectly functional hangar but a few updates later your hangar is inadequate due to the power creep and now you must grind or purchase items to once again reach a desirable playing state. They can do this into infinity.
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Post by Deadeye on Aug 6, 2020 10:11:31 GMT -5
Very good points. I think she could be useful, but it's a complete play style change. Instead of using the ability just for the DR (like I essentially do), you would need to focus more on who you're redirecting the damage too. As you say, you wouldn't want to redirect it to a hard target (Ravana, T-falc, Fenrir) that could tank the damage. Rather, you want it to go to a soft target without DR or other abilities (PS and Last Stand). This is far more micro managing than I'm willing to commit to, especially with targeting as crappy as it is and that I'm using Scourges which require more target management than other weapons. She's not my cup of tea, but maybe someone could make use of here. I use mine more of a unexpected beacon runner style with all the speed boosts I can, so this would be a huge change of styles for me. #nope Agreed. And the thing is: Redirected damage is traded pretty much 1:1 for received damage. Which would be great on a tank, but Leech is a glass cannon. Would you prefer to have 100k damage to your Leech, while doing 100k damage to an Invader or 50k to a Fenrir? No.
So I guess the main impact of the new pilot is that she dilutes the pilot pool even more.
I'll run a couple numbers here based on how I remember this working for the Leech. On a base Leech, if redirecting 100k of intended damage, you take 10k and deal out 35k. Based on the new pilot numbers for the same intended damage, you take 30k damage and deal out 65k. Same numbers against another Leech that is linked to you at the same time. Let's assume both Leeches deal out 100k of intended damage. The other normal Leech will take 10k + 6.5k (10% of the 65k you redirected towards him). Your new Legendary Pilot Leech will take 30k + 24.5k (30% of 35k). It's definitely a negative when facing another Leech as you've lost almost 3x more damage than the opposing Leech. I'm sure the same argument can be made against other tanks too. As you said, your redirected damage benefit is nerfed significantly because of the DR of the other bot. Let's not even think about Leeching onto a Ravana...
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Post by indian on Aug 7, 2020 4:08:57 GMT -5
Agreed. And the thing is: Redirected damage is traded pretty much 1:1 for received damage. Which would be great on a tank, but Leech is a glass cannon. Would you prefer to have 100k damage to your Leech, while doing 100k damage to an Invader or 50k to a Fenrir? No.
So I guess the main impact of the new pilot is that she dilutes the pilot pool even more.
I'll run a couple numbers here based on how I remember this working for the Leech. On a base Leech, if redirecting 100k of intended damage, you take 10k and deal out 35k. Based on the new pilot numbers for the same intended damage, you take 30k damage and deal out 65k. Same numbers against another Leech that is linked to you at the same time. Let's assume both Leeches deal out 100k of intended damage. The other normal Leech will take 10k + 6.5k (10% of the 65k you redirected towards him). Your new Legendary Pilot Leech will take 30k + 24.5k (30% of 35k). It's definitely a negative when facing another Leech as you've lost almost 3x more damage than the opposing Leech. I'm sure the same argument can be made against other tanks too. As you said, your redirected damage benefit is nerfed significantly because of the DR of the other bot. Let's not even think about Leeching onto a Ravana... We need to do a custom match on this I would like to see the results
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