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Post by bunnyhoppingrailgun on Jul 27, 2020 17:34:54 GMT -5
The MM, in my observation, will put you into one of three buckets, bottom ?female dog?, finger cuffs and the wife's bull.
Bottom ?female dog?: you're the beta weakling and you're gonna get spanked
Finger cuffs: stuck in the middle, could be balanced, could be a wide gap
Wife's bull: the swinging ?wee-wee?, it's your house
Because you don't know ahead of time what bucket you'll be dropped in, your hanger and your gameplay will already be set by your habit, your predisposition, your hanger and your strategy. If you play a passive strategy based on negative feedback of getting smacked around too often when trying to tank and be aggressive, you're going to lose. You're going to lose for yourself, for your team and for your silver account.
When youre BB and you play passive, sure you'll live a little longer. But your overall effect on the game will be little to none. As a passive FC, you'll again have little effect on the game, but also live longer. And finally, when you're the WB, and here's where it matters the most, when you're the WB, your team is actually relying on YOU to be the bull. Or the whale, whatever.
If you're the WB and you're playing passively with a healing/ranged/hydra hanger, your teammates that are the BB and FC are getting slaughtered that much quicker by the red WB. When you're the WB and you're not slaughtering the red gimps, your team is going to lose.
Playing aggressively in the other two buckets, your effect on the game is going to be far more nuanced, sometimes you'll be targetted for termination as an easy bot out, sometimes you'll be able make a dent and go out in glory. But either way, the team isn't as dependent on you like when you're WB.
If you've seen any of Manni's trolling videos, you'll enjoy German Kid levels of tantrums when enemy reds target him and his troll bots. Lets face it, everyone hates sniping and indirect damage bots. But because he's the WB using the press account, his team is going to consist of him and a bunch of weaklings. When he's trolling, he's severely handicapping his team by using the least effective meta while being the most powerful teammate.
In summation, the matchmaker requires you to always play aggressive powerbuilds. When the MM kicks you in the nuts and you're constantly botting out in 10 seconds, guess what, you'd still be a zero contributor to game anyway, even if you can survive the whole battle in one peek a boo bot. Always play aggressively because you won't know when you'll be required to step up and take the game by the hair and pound her into the rug.
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Post by balrog89 on Jul 27, 2020 18:41:11 GMT -5
Somebody had one too many passive blues today.
Just kidding my man. I feel ya.
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Post by bunnyhoppingrailgun on Jul 27, 2020 18:47:41 GMT -5
Somebody had one too many passive blues today. Just kidding my man. I feel ya. just now, again, yamantau, 1 no show and 4 "snipers" sitting in back. low league, masters and experts. I manage to get center alone with a phantom, but see no back up and the 4 beta snipers lounging around so I gave up. still managed 2nd place with just the one bot. |
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Post by balrog89 on Jul 27, 2020 19:01:32 GMT -5
Somebody had one too many passive blues today. Just kidding my man. I feel ya. just now, again, yamantau, 1 no show and 4 "snipers" sitting in back. low league, masters and experts. I manage to get center alone with a phantom, but see no back up and the 4 beta snipers lounging around so I gave up. still managed 2nd place with just the one bot. Happens all the time these days. Especially on the big maps. Carrier as well. Everyone lines up in a row, just looking at the center beacon. I guess I am numb to it now. |
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jul 28, 2020 4:42:04 GMT -5
I don’t understand WHY they insist on playing beacon cap games if they plan on spending the game camping. Lazy, lazy, lazy, and it drives me crazy.
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Post by BB on Jul 28, 2020 10:08:26 GMT -5
Great write up, I am not f2p but I dig it because it is pretty much the same rules everywhere in solo play.
Can we call Bottom ?female dog?...just...Bottom ?female dog?? ..... : P
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Post by mechtout on Jul 28, 2020 11:52:54 GMT -5
Doesn't matter whether youre aggressively mowing over reds or being elusive, just get beacons
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Post by spectre729 on Jul 28, 2020 13:27:48 GMT -5
i be capping beacons with an authur. A Lv 5 AUTHUR
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Post by bahogilok on Jul 31, 2020 10:12:50 GMT -5
Your descriptions are spot on! However I disagree that MM pushes you to play only aggressive "powerhouse" builds to succeed. Let me give you an example; I had a match yesterday which resulted in the following scores:  My team was severely undergeared in comparison. Nevertheless, we put up a pretty decent fight:  Based on your MM descriptors, the #2 and I are the "wife's bull" of the team. What the scores don't reflect is that the biggest contributor to the blue team was actually the guy in the bottom using only silver bots - at the start of the game, the 2 of us dove deep into the red home beacon (him on a griffin) which resulted in a significant beacon advantage. After holding it for a few minutes (and trading some bots in the process) we regrouped and held down center/home beacons until we were all wiped out. I doubt we would have lasted as long as we did without the guy's RDB griffin if I'm being honest; he did not have the best score, but he knew when to go deep, when to play conservatively and knew exactly when and where to pressure reds. All without "powerbuilds" |
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Post by ismsean on Jul 31, 2020 11:38:30 GMT -5
I just m「fluffernutter」rs to get beacons. I had so many games where my beacon count equals or is greater then my whole teams beacon count. That should never happen. Plus i always bypass our home beacon for those blues who drop non-beacon grabbers 1st drop.
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Post by bunnyhoppingrailgun on Jul 31, 2020 12:01:55 GMT -5
Based on your MM descriptors, the #2 and I are the "wife's bull" of the team. What the scores don't reflect is that the biggest contributor to the blue team was actually the guy in the bottom using only silver bots - at the start of the game, the 2 of us dove deep into the red home beacon (him on a griffin) which resulted in a significant beacon advantage. After holding it for a few minutes (and trading some bots in the process) we regrouped and held down center/home beacons until we were all wiped out. I doubt we would have lasted as long as we did without the guy's RDB griffin if I'm being honest; he did not have the best score, but he knew when to go deep, when to play conservatively and knew exactly when and where to pressure reds. All without "powerbuilds" My thoughts on the MM and aggressive strategies are generalizations. Sometimes the MM will create severely unbalanced games that can't be overcome with perfect strategy and gear. pay2win is real. tanking is real. I'm not entirely sure what you're describing happened in your game, but it sounds to me like you're saying the other players were being aggressive and did their best. I said that when you play aggressively even as BB, the results will be nuanced; sometimes you'll get taken out quick, sometimes you'll get in some licks. Overall, that silver player sounds like he played aggressively and with the best hanger that he has. When it's his turn to be WB, I'm sure he crushes. By the looks of that game score, I'm wondering if the red WB was way overpowered. Or, if your team's WB's were hiding in back. The rank buckets aren't based on game results; just because you have top score doesn't mean you were the bull. The WB in your game might have been Manni on his press account playing an MK2 molot hanger putting him in 3rd or worse result at the end of the game. He's the bull because he's top ranking player on the team. But by misallocating his hanger, he's handicapped himself and the team. Btw, tanking really screws up games for what should be apparent reasons here. Since the MM creates games and teams based on their league, a seemingly balanced game with 2 champs, 2 M1 and 2 E1 on each team is completely ruined by the fact that 1 E1 is a tanker hiding his mk2 meta hanger in low league. |
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Post by bunnyhoppingrailgun on Jul 31, 2020 23:51:24 GMT -5
lag is so pho king bad that nothing else matters anyway. so forgetabboutit.
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Post by T34 on Aug 1, 2020 21:59:35 GMT -5
The MM does sort you into the 3 buckets for sure. However, if you have a maxed hanger than aggressive play is always the best option. If you have a highly levelled hanger like mid MK2 aggressive play is still the best option at all times. Select the targets more carefully. When u have a below average hanger than aggressive is still good as your input won’t matter much anyway.
You can usually tell at the start of the game which bucket you have just been sorted into. Check for clan tags to see who you are facing and check for Last Stand and how leveled they are. For big spending clans Last Stand based determination can be tricky at times because they could be running stacked Overdrive. But usually they will have 2ODs and one high Last Stand.
When the MM-er imposes the Pay to Lose cycle on highly levelled people, go aggressive. You will top the table on the loosing side anyway. I refuse to accept the P2L cycle is a result of statistics as it is so forecastable and can be interrupted with a big loss like clock work. The only thing I don’t understand is what parameter the MMer uses to sort mid and high leveled players into the P2L situation. Perhaps beacon capture average or damage average.
Ahh, and if you have a maxed titan goo aggressive anyway so u can deploy it quick.
Above applies to solo play.
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Post by grump76 on Aug 2, 2020 14:16:01 GMT -5
When I win, I’m usually in the Top 3, but not always. When I lose, I’m not just in the top 3, I’m almost always always always first. Like 99% of the time. Why is this? Am I the WB and just not pulling my weight for the win? For what it’s worth, I run one capper and four brawlers. Usually finish first in beacons and play very aggressively.
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Post by bunnyhoppingrailgun on Aug 2, 2020 16:06:12 GMT -5
When I win, I’m usually in the Top 3, but not always. When I lose, I’m not just in the top 3, I’m almost always always always first. Like 99% of the time. Why is this? Am I the WB and just not pulling my weight for the win? For what it’s worth, I run one capper and four brawlers. Usually finish first in beacons and play very aggressively. what do your teammate hangers look like at the end of a game? how many cups do they have? if you're running mk2, premium modules and a strong titan, then yes, you're going to be the WB or FC in the team. For the obvious reason that there's not as much of a gap overhead to stick you at the bottom. |
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Post by someoldman on Aug 2, 2020 16:36:35 GMT -5
Great write up, I am not f2p but I dig it because it is pretty much the same rules everywhere in solo play. Can we call Bottom ?female dog?...just...Bottom ?female dog?? ..... : P What do you think BB stands for? : ) |
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Post by bunnyhoppingrailgun on Aug 3, 2020 1:59:39 GMT -5
Great write up, I am not f2p but I dig it because it is pretty much the same rules everywhere in solo play. Can we call Bottom ?female dog?...just...Bottom ?female dog?? ..... : P What do you think BB stands for? : ) oh now i get it... was wondering why BB was asking a redundant question... |
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Post by Cdr. Crimmins on Aug 3, 2020 21:56:35 GMT -5
Nope sorry, OP, if it's my turn to carry the team then my team is 「fluffernutter」ed because M2 or no M2 I'm still running Vityazes.
And while in those circumstances, surrounded by Experts, I will take top place and often top beacons I cannot do it in the OMAGERD LOOKIT MAH 5MILLIONS DAMAGES style apparently required in these uncertain days. So my team better step up themselves and actually help carry the load. If not, well then, too bad chip chip cheerio the leagues are but a delusion anyway!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 21:59:39 GMT -5
Nope sorry, OP, if it's my turn to carry the team then my team is ?fluffernutter?ed because M2 or no M2 I'm still running Vityazes. And while in those circumstances, surrounded by Experts, I will take top place and often top beacons I cannot do it in the OMAGERD LOOKIT MAH 5MILLIONS DAMAGES style apparently required in these uncertain days. So my team better step up themselves and actually help carry the load. If not, well then, too bad chip chip cheerio the leagues are but a delusion anyway! LOL, awesome. Damage average is nothing but an illusion as well ... a simple reflection of how leveled your gear is. We all like to brag about it, but it means nothing. |
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