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Post by RightOn on Jul 13, 2020 11:21:06 GMT -5
This is a common misconception. While yes silver was easy to come by and stuff was cheaper to upgrade back then, people forget that there were no ads for a time to speed up the upgrades, and when they did introduce ads, you only got 20 mins off per ad. In short, the limiting factor today is silver, but the limiting factor back then was time. With 20 min ads, the very best you could do was reduce upgrade time in half. The only way to really speed through upgrades was with lots of gold, which was much hard to come by (we didn't have all these events and chest that give out gold like candy) and was needed to acquire new bots and weapons before WS. Im pretty sure upgrades were also faster back in the day though, like, by quite a bit, depending on the bot, so it kinda evens out. Upgrade times were double current rates when 4.0 hit They loosened upgrade times at some point and only recently introduced the 4hour skips last fall.
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Post by Adazahi on Jul 13, 2020 12:57:11 GMT -5
Im pretty sure upgrades were also faster back in the day though, like, by quite a bit, depending on the bot, so it kinda evens out. Yes and no. From what I remember from back then, the standard upgrading time to take most things from L1-L12 was about 14 days, compared to 30 or so days today. So around half the time. But today we get 12× the benefit per ad (20 mins compared to 4 hours). So if you spend 20 ads a day speeding up upgrades, it'll take you around a week to go from L1-L12 today, but it'll take you around 11 days to do the same thing back then. That's an over 50% increase in time. And the difference would only get greater the more you play. Well in that case, time isnt really that limiting of a factor, 7 days compared to 11 days isnt that much. Id take a 11 day upgrade for 70mil silver (I don't remember exactly) over a 7 day upgrade for 360mil any day. Still though, I see where you're coming from, I think pixonic's intentions with the econ changes were to make the game a bit grindy-er, as back then, it was easier to just wait out the upgrades and not have to play / pay for premium as much, whereas now you really have to work for the upgrades.
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Post by nexushub on Jul 20, 2020 20:08:45 GMT -5
YouâÂ?Â?re telling me right now with a straight face that you havenâÂ?Â?t spent a dime on silver and you have five mk2/12 bots, weapons, and mods? I call BS. I think the âÂ?Â?for yearsâÂ? thing is getting to you. Maxing a hangar years ago was easy peasy without buying any silver. Thanks to post economy, maxing a single meta bot or weapon is 370mil, and a module is 240mil Look, I have *a lot* more than 5 2.12 bots and more than enough maxed weapons to fit a hangar without having ever spent a cent on silver. Add to that the 4 Spectre, 3 bulgasari, 3 haechi, 2 kumiho, 1 mender, 5 griffins, 3 Lancelot, 2 Galahad, and probably more that IâÂ?Â?ve forgotten about, maxed bots IâÂ?Â?ve sold off. IâÂ?Â?ve 30k wins, mostly from plaing solo. So more than 50k games. At ~1 million a game (used to be more, now is a bit less on average). You do the math. Next time, you might want to do that before calling bullã??dookieã?. So aside from paying for premium i understand you max your hanger by sheer playing volume alone, if you are the exception i applaud you, however most people have a life and will not play 100 hrs a week, its pretty easy to earn silver with a maxed hanger no ?dookie?, but for the normal players that did not come into the new economy already maxed its a nightmare. On a free week i play 40 to 50 hours and even that much the grind is unbelievably slow, even at 2 million damage per game im earing 300k silver so no, my statment still stands, unless you pay....you will not max out a hanger of meta, no if ands or buts about it unless you pay or live with your parents and have no real life such as a job. Here ill do the math to help you, a AVERAGE player earns about 1 million silver per hour without paying, and by average i mean somone who does not chase the meta so thats what 300 hours of play to max the average meta robot? Your correct, i dont have 30,00 wins, i have a adult life so it is not physically possible for me to play that much, im not a addict, you are probably in the 1% of players that puts that many hours a week into this game so use some common sense and dont pop off at the mouth saying if you can do it everynone can, your addiction puts you well above the average player having played over 12,500 hours, considering there are 8,760 hours in a year i would say you spent your time well so lets break that down. A full time job is 40 hours a week, 160 hours a month, 1,920 hours per year, 9,600 hours over 5 years, you have played 12,500 hours which means if you played for 5 years you are playing 50 to 55 hours a week so you are either retired or live with your parents. PS: i said meta, none of the robots you mentioned are even close to meta and back when they first released the chest system the leo was a prize in the 1,000 key chest which at the time was the top loot box, the fact you dont know that makes me wonder.
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Post by nix on Jul 21, 2020 3:59:57 GMT -5
Look, I have *a lot* more than 5 2.12 bots and more than enough maxed weapons to fit a hangar without having ever spent a cent on silver. Add to that the 4 Spectre, 3 bulgasari, 3 haechi, 2 kumiho, 1 mender, 5 griffins, 3 Lancelot, 2 Galahad, and probably more that IâÂ?Â?ve forgotten about, maxed bots IâÂ?Â?ve sold off. IâÂ?Â?ve 30k wins, mostly from plaing solo. So more than 50k games. At ~1 million a game (used to be more, now is a bit less on average). You do the math. Next time, you might want to do that before calling bullã??dookieã?. So aside from paying for premium i understand you max your hanger by sheer playing volume alone, if you are the exception i applaud you, however most people have a life and will not play 100 hrs a week, its pretty easy to earn silver with a maxed hanger no ?dookie?, but for the normal players that did not come into the new economy already maxed its a nightmare. On a free week i play 40 to 50 hours and even that much the grind is unbelievably slow, even at 2 million damage per game im earing 300k silver so no, my statment still stands, unless you pay....you will not max out a hanger of meta, no if ands or buts about it unless you pay or live with your parents and have no real life such as a job. Here ill do the math to help you, a AVERAGE player earns about 1 million silver per hour without paying, and by average i mean somone who does not chase the meta so thats what 300 hours of play to max the average meta robot? Your correct, i dont have 30,00 wins, i have a adult life so it is not physically possible for me to play that much, im not a addict, you are probably in the 1% of players that puts that many hours a week into this game so use some common sense and dont pop off at the mouth saying if you can do it everynone can, your addiction puts you well above the average player having played over 12,500 hours, considering there are 8,760 hours in a year i would say you spent your time well so lets break that down. A full time job is 40 hours a week, 160 hours a month, 1,920 hours per year, 9,600 hours over 5 years, you have played 12,500 hours which means if you played for 5 years you are playing 50 to 55 hours a week so you are either retired or live with your parents. PS: i said meta, none of the robots you mentioned are even close to meta and back when they first released the chest system the leo was a prize in the 1,000 key chest which at the time was the top loot box, the fact you dont know that makes me wonder. Yeah, I have a pretty decent job and probably have a lot more responsibility and make a lot more money than you, considering your faulty calculations and apparent inability to have a discussion without going for the low blows. Besides the ad hominem, you’re straw-manning and assuming a lot, so either respond to *what I said* or don’t bother.
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Post by Koalabear on Jul 21, 2020 8:15:58 GMT -5
nexushub and nixHey guys, I can sense your frustrations. Lets take a break ok? We don't have to agree with each other and TBH, we all lead very different lives with very different circumstances and priorities. Lets leave it at that ok?
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Post by Deadeye on Jul 21, 2020 9:49:18 GMT -5
I'll throw out some "facts" for people here because there are a lot of assumptions being made and numbers being thrown out and they can be frustrating to read. However, before I include this, it should be known that respect and kindness towards other are still important and expected, even in the Rants section. Name calling, assumptions about addictions, and slanderous statements need not be included. As many of you know, I took a year off (Q3/2018-Q3/2019) and started back about a year ago in the summer of 2019. At that time, I had a dated hanger with an average hanger level of 1.11-1.12. My best bots were a Scourge Bulgasari, 2 Spectres (Orkan and Tulu), a Gust Pursuer and an Ember/Taran Inqy. I had a fair amount of currency too because I had been playing mostly 6-pack before I left and hadn't spent any of what I had. I probably had between 100-200 million silver and a whopping 30k+ Au. I dipped my toes back in and found that it was playable again for me and fun, but I had a lot to learn. I made some plans with a few friends (thanks to Ⓑⓞⓑ Ⓓⓨⓛⓐⓝ , ѻﻭɼﻉ and GuitarGuy for all your help) and rejiggered my hanger. I got some pilots (new feature) and maxed all my silver modules (I didn't have any premium modules yet.) I also got Premium and started learning the new game and playing. This is my hanger now: I've been back playing now for roughly a year. I came back towards the end of last year's July 4th event (I remember the ridiculous Freedom Avalanches...lol). This is what I've spent money on. I get Premium. I've had it almost constantly for the last year. I buy it at the discounted price so it's usually 33% off. I've bought the operations. All of them. I still use the Ao Jun I won from the first one (and it's piloted by the Adrian pilot I won in that first event). I occasionally buy gold, usually the super discounted deals, but lately I've gotten a couple $5 and even a $10 deal. I only buy 300% or better deals and do the math to verify it's correct before I buy. I've bought a couple deeply discounted robots and weapons. ($2, $3 or $5) And have used some of them extensively (the Rayker comes to mind). I've purchased event tokens and a few occasions. I purchased some to try to win Olga last year (it didn't work out). The most I've spent at any one time was a $50 purchase in the last even when there appeared to be an error on Pix's side and they offered 6000 even tokens for $50. I did that once. Beyond that, I've won (through event chests, gold chests or super chests), been given (through contests) or ground for (operations) all the bots and weapons I did not have before I took my break. I have benefited heavily from my OE gear and from some of the items that have since been changed in their upgrade costs by Pix. My OE gear that I still use are the Embers and Scourges. Those have been MK2ed for a long time now. I also have other maxed OE gear like a set of 4 Magnums and another Scourge. I have multiple Storms, though I only had one maxed before the nerf (old Phantom setup). I maxed those when I started using a Ravana. I also maxed my shredders and 2 Sparks before they changed the tiers. I've won my Ravana and Nightingale and earned my Ao Jun, Blitz and Leech in Operations. I've also won countless other bots since I started back that I don't use, including another Ravana, 2 Nightingales, 2 AJs and another Leech. I even have a Scorpion that I'm not really using right now. I also have a metric crap ton of meta weapons that are collecting dust (7 Rimes, 3+ Cryos, 3 Glaciers, 3 Nucleons, 4+ Atomizers, 4 Quarkers just to name a few). Because I rely on my older maxed weapons, I can afford to level the new stuff at whatever speed I wish and wait to include it into the hanger when it's ready...or not at all. All that said to make the point, I've never puchased any silver or any Meta bots/weapons! Regarding the silver, yes, it comes with the Operations. Yes, I get Premium. I'm currently sitting on ~300 mil Ag since the last upgrade overdrive and have been upgrading something this entire time. I play about 1-2 hours per day to clear tasks, collect event tokens and Pt and run the ads I get. That adds up to about 8-20 games a day. I would say I average (conservatively) 700k Ag/game. The rest comes from operations, battle rewards chests and supply drops. I make heavy use of upgrade overdrive weekends. I haven't upgraded a premium module for 40 mil in months. It always costs me 30 mil. I could go on and on, but I hope you see that over half this game is about resource management and planning. Yes, I spend money on this game and I know not everyone is willing or able to do that. I have great respect for guys like Garbage game and Earl that are now F2P. They're playing the game (the afore mentioned resource game). They resource manage like a boss. But to say that it's "impossible" to have a maxed meta hanger without buying it is just not true. I compete against these guys all the time with my primarily meta hanger that I did not "whale" to get. You can see that I don't play even as much as nix or others on here have (I haven't even crossed 10k wins yet), so it's completely possible. To be clear, this isn't a commentary on the costs presented by the OP to insta-max a meta hanger. I don't want to comment on that, but comments and assumptions by nexushub about how much time is spent to do this are just false. If someone has been playing this game for years and has been managing their resources well, it is completely possible to have a maxed hanger and without paying for extra silver or meta bots. I acknowledge the advantages older players have benefited from because of the OE/NE situation, silver nerfs and the many other changes Pix has made over the years. New players have a long way to go. That's why I like coming to these forums. I like helping players navigate the resource landmines out there. If anyone has any questions about my hanger or what I have in it or anything like that, just tag me and ask. And the obligatory TL;DR (they used to call these cliff notes back in my day) It's actually completely possible to reach a maxed meta hanger for players that have been around a while, play consistently and manage resources well. My hanger proves it. Statements otherwise are misinformed.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jul 21, 2020 12:38:44 GMT -5
<Snip> As many of you know, I took a year off (Q3/2018-Q3/2019) and started back about a year ago in the summer of 2019. At that time, I had a dated hanger with an average hanger level of 1.11-1.12. My best bots were a Scourge Bulgasari, 2 Spectres (Orkan and Tulu), a Gust Pursuer and an Ember/Taran Inqy. I had a fair amount of currency too because I had been playing mostly 6-pack before I left and hadn't spent any of what I had. I probably had between 100-200 million silver and a whopping 30k+ Au. </Snip> Ok, so I was in a similar situation, except when I resumed playing again, I started a smurf account. And then another. And then several others, until I got my current one going in a decent direction, which I’ve now taken all the way into M3, so I don't want to lose it. But I do have an old account backed up under Game Center that had been pretty well advanced, just shy of the Sphincter age, and now you’ve got me thinking about reloading it on a different device (my phone) just to see how it would fare today. Not too well, I’m guessing, but who knows until I try. Had a hangar full of 1:12 dashes, Rhino, and a fat boy as I recall. This could get interesting.
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Post by Garbage game on Jul 21, 2020 12:53:31 GMT -5
Deadeye I agree with some things you’ve said and disagree with others. I’ve been playing over two years now and while my hangar may be close to meta, it ain’t anywhere close to being maxed. Maybe with spending on Ops passes and stuff you can reach a maxed hangar, but it seems very unlikely for me. Also you and nix played in the glory days of plentiful Silver, with Storms and Scourges piling up all around you. I think I’ve only ever saved 300mil silver max since discount weekends became a thing and me being frugal by only doing upgrades lower than 20mil until then The most impossible thing to max as a f2p seems to be Titans.
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Post by Deadeye on Jul 21, 2020 12:55:34 GMT -5
<Snip> As many of you know, I took a year off (Q3/2018-Q3/2019) and started back about a year ago in the summer of 2019. At that time, I had a dated hanger with an average hanger level of 1.11-1.12. My best bots were a Scourge Bulgasari, 2 Spectres (Orkan and Tulu), a Gust Pursuer and an Ember/Taran Inqy. I had a fair amount of currency too because I had been playing mostly 6-pack before I left and hadn't spent any of what I had. I probably had between 100-200 million silver and a whopping 30k+ Au. </Snip> Ok, so I was in a similar situation, except when I resumed playing again, I started a smurf account. And then another. And then several others, until I got my current one going in a decent direction, which I’ve now taken all the way into M3, so I don't want to lose it. But I do have an old account backed up under Game Center that had been pretty well advanced, just shy of the Sphincter age, and now you’ve got me thinking about reloading it on a different device (my phone) just to see how it would fare today. Not too well, I’m guessing, but who knows until I try. Had a hangar full of 1:12 dashes, Rhino, and a fat boy as I recall. This could get interesting. The main benefits I had over someone doing it again now would be the OE/NE advantage, getting pilots ready on the cheap and the recent Mk2 change over (I mk2ed a lot of stuff for 1 Au when it happened). Leveling those scourges and embers as my backbone weapons was huge. Until I got other stuff, I also relied on Tarans (which are still a pretty good option). I also upgraded all my shredders (which are insanely effecitve) when they were Tier 3. The amount of things you need Au for now has grown by a huge amount with the pilot rework. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it, but I came back at a relatively good point in time. I just want to be transparent.
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Post by Deadeye on Jul 21, 2020 13:13:09 GMT -5
Deadeye I agree with some things you’ve said and disagree with others. I’ve been playing over two years now and while my hangar may be close to meta, it ain’t anywhere close to being maxed. Maybe with spending on Ops passes and stuff you can reach a maxed hangar, but it seems very unlikely for me. Also you and nix played in the glory days of plentiful Silver, with Storms and Scourges piling up all around you. I think I’ve only ever saved 300mil silver max since discount weekends became a thing and me being frugal by only doing upgrades lower than 20mil until then The most impossible thing to max as a f2p seems to be Titans. I agree with you. I honestly believe F2P has to take extreme measures to get a maxed hanger (if that is truly the goal). Specializing certain robots and weapons would be key (like only using Tier 2 and 3 weapons/robots would save a lot), and selectively adding in Tier 4 stuff. That's essentially what BB does. I don't know how much he spends, but I can see doing his hanger on the cheap (or free) with as much time as he plays. Agreed about Titans too. But look at my hanger. I have a moderately high leveled Arthur that is probably close to where others could be. However, you don't really need a maxed titan to compete. Mine is pretty brutal as is. My primary argument from my post is that it's possible to do and I didn't even make the claim that I did it for free. I just stated that I haven't spent what some were claiming was necessary to do it. As I said, I have tons of respect for how you manage your account as well as others that are F2P. I started out that way essentially when silver was plentiful. As I became more involved in the game, I started to spend a little. Now I'm happy to spend what I do and am able to do so, but I don't think it's that way for everyone and that's completely fine. I've actually mentioned to others of my friends that spend more that they can be just as competitive by spending less and focusing more. It all depends on your goals. Besides, it's all for fun anyway. The way MM is right now anyone can beat anyone when given the right (or wrong) teammates. Case in point, I ran across Earl and Rags (IGN Warlock) in a game last night running a duo and they trounced my team (I was solo). As I later learned, my team had a severe medical allergy to bacon and I was the only pork lover in the group. Earl/Rags and a couple other reds jumped on us fast and didn't let up. It was over fast despite my 1.5 mil, 4 bacon performance.
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Post by BB on Jul 21, 2020 16:02:39 GMT -5
Deadeye oh I’ve spent! But I like to beef up the lil’ skill bots as you know. It’s simply a matter of preference. I doubt that someone could obtain 10 MK2 bots and weaps (even if they’re only Rogs and Striders) all with lev 50 and 60 pilots for free though. Not to mention a crapload of maxed mods. That’s a lot of gold being flung around by this sucker.? I’ve spent mostly on gold, premium, and ops. NEVER bought any silver, 100% earned all my silver from playing/having fun with the handful of unassuming bots that I prefer to drive, 3 hangars full of em ?
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jul 22, 2020 8:54:03 GMT -5
So I reopened my original account in another device, and was immediately reminded that I did indeed spend a bit on this game at one time. A full contingent of dashes and then some, quite a few bots and weapons at mk1:12, a lot of which was close to meta at the time, right up until the Orkan Sphincter and the rest of his stealth buddies jumped in and ruined all that fun. That account was only E1, and I remember getting thrashed with it (which I recall is what finally pushed me to quit the game those so many years ago).
Just for grins I fired up a BR game, and without pilots or current weapons (hangar was very Orkan-heavy), I was mostly fodder for, well, everybody. Although I’m still pretty handy with a Haechi.
But for now I put that account back to bed. For one thing, I can only play it on my phone right now, which is a generally miserable experience. But also, I’d have so much work to do bringing that hangar up to date between needing a few faster bots, newer weapons and pilots, I just don’t have it in me to run that AND my current account, which I don’t play very much these days as it is. Oh yeah, and a brand new Kid that has zero upgrades and no PT in the bank — that’s a tough situation all by itself. But there’s otherwise a hell of a strong foundation there if I ever do decide to semi-start over, probably when this iPad gets replaced.
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Post by nexushub on Jul 25, 2020 15:14:52 GMT -5
So aside from paying for premium i understand you max your hanger by sheer playing volume alone, if you are the exception i applaud you, however most people have a life and will not play 100 hrs a week, its pretty easy to earn silver with a maxed hanger no ?dookie?, but for the normal players that did not come into the new economy already maxed its a nightmare. On a free week i play 40 to 50 hours and even that much the grind is unbelievably slow, even at 2 million damage per game im earing 300k silver so no, my statment still stands, unless you pay....you will not max out a hanger of meta, no if ands or buts about it unless you pay or live with your parents and have no real life such as a job. Here ill do the math to help you, a AVERAGE player earns about 1 million silver per hour without paying, and by average i mean somone who does not chase the meta so thats what 300 hours of play to max the average meta robot? Your correct, i dont have 30,00 wins, i have a adult life so it is not physically possible for me to play that much, im not a addict, you are probably in the 1% of players that puts that many hours a week into this game so use some common sense and dont pop off at the mouth saying if you can do it everynone can, your addiction puts you well above the average player having played over 12,500 hours, considering there are 8,760 hours in a year i would say you spent your time well so lets break that down. A full time job is 40 hours a week, 160 hours a month, 1,920 hours per year, 9,600 hours over 5 years, you have played 12,500 hours which means if you played for 5 years you are playing 50 to 55 hours a week so you are either retired or live with your parents. PS: i said meta, none of the robots you mentioned are even close to meta and back when they first released the chest system the leo was a prize in the 1,000 key chest which at the time was the top loot box, the fact you dont know that makes me wonder. Yeah, I have a pretty decent job and probably have a lot more responsibility and make a lot more money than you, considering your faulty calculations and apparent inability to have a discussion without going for the low blows. Besides the ad hominem, you’re straw-manning and assuming a lot, so either respond to *what I said* or don’t bother. I completely understand your point of view and did indeed respond to your point, i do understand you probably do make a lot more money then me and that some how makes you better....anyway, regarding the low blow of pointing out how much you said you played i did the math its pretty simple so my point still stands and i did not mean to offend you by pointing out how much you said you played i apologize if i hurt your feelings. As far as my math being flawed lets see, 15 minute games X 50,000 = 750,000 minutes, 750,000 minutes ÷ 60 = 12,500 hours, 12,500 hours divided by 5 years is 2,500 hours per year,the math is pretty simple, now i understand not every game last the full 15 minutes but the majority do and when added time from any game over the 50,000 mark we can see 12,500 hours is a pretty accurate guess. Just because we are on a forum the laws of physics dont change, time is time, again that was not intended to be a low blow but the truth of what you said so respectfully my point still stands, you either pay or play the game ALOT. Someone who puts in 3 hours or so a night, which is alot for a mobile phone game in my opinion cant max out a hanger in any competitive way without paying for basic resources like silver. Like i said your the exception and im very happy for you but saying everybody can match your play time is flat out false because no matter where you live or how much better one person is then another, time....is time and just to clear the air you said you have played over 50,000 games, if you have found a way around time please share it with us because you will be filthy rich.
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Post by nexushub on Jul 25, 2020 15:33:57 GMT -5
nexushub and nixHey guys, I can sense your frustrations. Lets take a break ok? We don't have to agree with each other and TBH, we all lead very different lives with very different circumstances and priorities. Lets leave it at that ok? Just a friendly passionate discussion ? because we care!!!
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Post by nexushub on Jul 25, 2020 17:39:12 GMT -5
nexushub  and nixHey guys, I can sense your frustrations. Lets take a break ok? We don't have to agree with each other and TBH, we all lead very different lives with very different circumstances and priorities. Lets leave it at that ok? Im not trying to be a 「wee-wee」 but the point of a forum is discussion and if you post some crazy stuff outside the norm expect to have you views challenged, if you claim you earn over a million silver on a loosing battle, post a screen shot (i did ask him for one) to back up your claim and maybe we can all learn and grow and beat Pixonic's economy. I have a screen shot of a battle with over 2,000 honer points and over 2 million damage and with a premium account and boosters my payout was 800,000 silver, i have had 1 game with a payout that high in over a year, maybe different platforms have different economies? What do you think.
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Post by nix on Jul 25, 2020 18:22:42 GMT -5
I completely understand your point of view and did indeed respond to your point, i do understand you probably do make a lot more money then me and that some how makes you better....anyway, regarding the low blow of pointing out how much you said you played i did the math its pretty simple so my point still stands and i did not mean to offend you by pointing out how much you said you played i apologize if i hurt your feelings. Ok, an apology is nice, but honestly if you're saying things such as:
...however most people have a life ..unless you pay or live with your parents and have no real life such as a job. ...i have a adult life so it is not physically possible for me to play that much, im not a addict ..so use some common sense and dont pop off at the mouth saying if you can do it everynone can, ..so you are either retired or live with your parents. the fact you dont know that makes me wonder. ... then you're not really prompting genuine discussion, are you? If I were to guess, I'd say that you were probably just looking to ridicule someone who you don't agree with. Would that be an accurate assessment?
As far as my math being flawed lets see, 15 minute games X 50,000 = 750,000 minutes, 750,000 minutes ÷ 60 = 12,500 hours, 12,500 hours divided by 5 years is 2,500 hours per year,the math is pretty simple, now i understand not every game last the full 15 minutes but the majority do and when added time from any game over the 50,000 mark we can see 12,500 hours is a pretty accurate guess. Just because we are on a forum the laws of physics dont change, time is time, again that was not intended to be a low blow but the truth of what you said so respectfully my point still stands, you either pay or play the game ALOT. You do realize that saying that a game is 15 minutes maximum makes everything else you post questionable, right? I mean, you claim to play the game, so you must know that a game can last no longer than 10 minutes, yes? Most games are way less. A reasonable average here would be 6-7 minutes. but saying everybody can match your play time is flat out false because... I don't really understand why you challenge me for saying that "everybody can match my play time". I havn't said that, and in fact I've said nothing even remotely similar. So why on earth are you claiming that I said that?
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Post by themandalorian on Sept 4, 2020 0:48:17 GMT -5
I was gonna wait until drones came in to get this biggest number, but I’m kind of impatient, so for the time being I’m going to say maxing a drone is going to cost as much as maxxing a pilot. Do note there’s a whole lot of estimating here and offers are not taken into account. 100 Au = $1, 10 Pt = $1, As for silver, I just assume that maxing a single item will cost you $250 worth of silver (and possibly gold speed ups) if you don’t grind it. Ravana: $100 (+$250 in upgrades) 3 Cryos: $300 (+$750 in upgrades) 3 Premium modules: $150 (+$750 in upgrades) Legendary Pilot: $25 (+$550 in upgrades) Drone: $25 (+$550 in upgrades) Total for one maxxed meta bot: $3,450 (x5) Total for a full hangar of Ravanas, Pilots, Modules, Weapons, and Drones: $17,250 Ao Ming: $100 (+$880 in upgrades) 2 Gendarme / 2 Curraiser: $400 (+$455 in upgrades) 4 Maxed Modules: $80 (+$455 in upgrades) Total for a maxed Titan: $2,370 GRAND TOTAL: $19,620 I think it stands to reason to round that up to $25k considering loot boxes (if you decide to get the ravanas as soon as they release), battle passes, 5% skins, skins in general, premium, power cells, special editions...blah blah. Then again, it also stands to reason to bring the final $25k to $15k because a smart player will not buy gold or pt at full price, rather use deals, which I will assume make it about that much cheaper. Now, if you consider that every time the meta drastically changes (about once every 6 months) P2W players have to do this entire process over again. War robots is 6 years old, but only about 4 years has it been controlled by mail.ru, making the game extremely p2w. This means someone aggressively chasing the meta since the start of the game has likely lost a bit under $120,000 to it, as titans have only recently been released. Next up on Adazahi’s super informative posts: 50 better ways to spend half a brain surgeons salary. Nice work, but no one is dropping that kind of Jack on this game. I can see were some idiots drop a few thou on some bots, but not on everyone. I personally have payed for some resources and weps and the few hundred in two years I spent is still way too much considering they can’t figure out their lag after 6 years of being in business being financed by the few whale willing to shell out a couple grand a year. But buying At, Au and Pt is ridiculous here. Do that math and compare it to real market values and Pix charges MORE than the real thing. Might as well buy bitcoin until you have enough to buy Pix itself.
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Post by wargear on Sept 5, 2020 14:03:46 GMT -5
This post really brought out those salty whale tears, good read.
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daemoch
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Pilot name: daemoch
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Post by daemoch on Sept 5, 2020 19:46:24 GMT -5
First, I'd like to say thank you, this is very informative. I like bland food to have some seasoning, and the flaming in this thread is perfect. Sorry Mods, but it helps to keep boring numbers spicy! (Don't feed the trolls, I know, I know....)
I think the better title for this thread might be "What would a maxed out meta hangar LIQUIDATE for?" as THAT seems to be the point. Anyone work in business? Finances? If I'm off, help me out here...
The OP isn't really calculating the costs; those are too variable. Instead he calculated the base value. What you pay depends on the methods you use to build it.
Regarding where this thread has gone in conversation: For me, at 43 with a FT job and several 'Gig' jobs, some of that building has been with RL $$. My time is often worth more (IT for 25 years) and if I can justify spending cash on, effectively, one of my hobbies, then so be it. What do you think I have money for? Cash doesn't stuff a mattress very well and it tastes like ?strong independent woman who don't need no man? sweat. But when I was in college, the same equation wouldn't have calculated out the same way. My time was financially worth less than it is now and I would have been better grinding. Same goes for once I retire I assume. Also, OPs math doesn't calculate the value of my time doing something else that actually makes RL money, Like OT if I'm on a clock, or another gig or contract job I could do rather than 'grind for silver'. It might actually make more sense for me to work another hour, make some RL $$ and then through that at Pix. But with his math, I can judge that for myself now. And point of fact, the POINT of the game is effectively grinding. Win or lose, we are still just playing a game. Ever go to a Football game? A museum? A movie? Out to eat? Those all cost money and take up time. You're just 'grinding' life. So whats the diff??
What I wanted to know coming here was "what's it going to cost me if I want the BEST?" vs anything else I wanted to do with my time/money. I needed a valuation. And I got one here. So thank you.
PS - I've got an OG account too. I'm on Steam now, but was Android. Long story. My OG account is still more fun atm and I've NEVER had the 'meta' builds or anything above lvl 9 I don't think. The newbie cost curve (especially on Steam) is just straight up brutal though, I will say, and if I didn't already know I liked the game I deff wouldn't be sticking around, friends or no friends.
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Post by PixelPower6 on Sept 25, 2020 13:54:48 GMT -5
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Post by Replicant on Sept 25, 2020 15:42:30 GMT -5
Also I think it's about time someone pointed out this outrageous false equivalency, for 100k on a car you're getting a physical object, an engineering masterpiece, something with years upon years of usability and if taken care of can stick around for decades, versus getting some digital 720p bot on a ?dookie?ty mobile game, wish more people could see the difference. Also mods, I'm sorry you believe everything that could be taken as critical is a heated rant, but this is clearly a normal cost breakdown. Yeah your car isn't going to be nerfed by 100HP too for no good reason. Gavin Newsom and his "no new ICE car sales starting 2035" says hello.
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Post by Replicant on Sept 25, 2020 16:16:32 GMT -5
I've always found this line of attack interesting. I pay my staff different amounts because some of them are literally better than others. That's why they get paid more. They know more about the subject matter. They have better critical thinking skills. They have a more developed work ethic. I know its fashionable for people to dismiss achievement as merely the expression of generations of privilege, genetic accidents, or some other external you-didn't-build-that factor; but back here in the real world I have to provide a service [that] non-coerced clients actually want at a price they are willing to pay. The more efficiently my staff facilitates that, the better they are... and the more they get paid. There's no "somehow" about it.
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