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Post by Adazahi on Jul 11, 2020 20:36:50 GMT -5
I have been playing since feb 2015 so ill point some things out. #1 lots of people pay for silver, it is IMPOSSIBLE to earn enough silver to max out a hanger pixonic made sure of that with the silver nerf so post a screen shot of your average silver earings and prove me wrong. #2 i have bought loot boxes since 2015 and the best weapon i earned was a magnum and the best bot was a leo, pixonic said themselves you have to speed atleast $300 on loot boxes to get ONE meta, once again post a screen shot to prove me wrong. #3 it is not physically possible to play for free or even low spending and keep ANYWHERE near a competitive hanger, pixonic has made sure match making will SMASH YOU, and as soon as they come out with new meta they nerf the old meta making it almost useless. The problem is really that bad, if you cant see that you have either spent a few thousand bucks on buying meta or you are in a low level #1: Lol. I’ve played maxed hangars for years and have never bought any silver. Premium yes, plaing a lot yes, purchase no. So yeah, you’re wrong. False claims in all caps are still false. #2: I have no idea what you’re trying to say. Do you seriously believe that you will not get any meta bot or weapon for less than $300 in loot boxes? Or do you mean a full hangar? How on earth did you get a Leo in a “loot” box? #3: F2P no. But prior to titans, it was possible to get a maxed meta hangar with moderate (~$50’ish per month) spending. You’re telling me right now with a straight face that you haven’t spent a dime on silver and you have five mk2/12 bots, weapons, and mods? I call BS. I think the “for years” thing is getting to you. Maxing a hangar years ago was easy peasy without buying any silver. Thanks to post economy, maxing a single meta bot or weapon is 370mil, and a module is 240mil
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Post by Adazahi on Jul 11, 2020 20:37:03 GMT -5
Whoops, accidentally made a double comment. Nothing to see here.
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Post by nix on Jul 11, 2020 20:52:48 GMT -5
#1: Lol. Iâve played maxed hangars for years and have never bought any silver. Premium yes, plaing a lot yes, purchase no. So yeah, youâre wrong. False claims in all caps are still false. #2: I have no idea what youâre trying to say. Do you seriously believe that you will not get any meta bot or weapon for less than $300 in loot boxes? Or do you mean a full hangar? How on earth did you get a Leo in a âlootâ box? #3: F2P no. But prior to titans, it was possible to get a maxed meta hangar with moderate (~$50âish per month) spending. Youâre telling me right now with a straight face that you havenât spent a dime on silver and you have five mk2/12 bots, weapons, and mods? I call BS. I think the âfor yearsâ thing is getting to you. Maxing a hangar years ago was easy peasy without buying any silver. Thanks to post economy, maxing a single meta bot or weapon is 370mil, and a module is 240mil Look, I have *a lot* more than 5 2.12 bots and more than enough maxed weapons to fit a hangar without having ever spent a cent on silver. Add to that the 4 Spectre, 3 bulgasari, 3 haechi, 2 kumiho, 1 mender, 5 griffins, 3 Lancelot, 2 Galahad, and probably more that Iâve forgotten about, maxed bots Iâve sold off. Iâve 30k wins, mostly from plaing solo. So more than 50k games. At ~1 million a game (used to be more, now is a bit less on average). You do the math. Next time, you might want to do that before calling bull「dookie」.
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Jul 11, 2020 20:54:32 GMT -5
#1: Lol. I’ve played maxed hangars for years and have never bought any silver. Premium yes, plaing a lot yes, purchase no. So yeah, you’re wrong. False claims in all caps are still false. #2: I have no idea what you’re trying to say. Do you seriously believe that you will not get any meta bot or weapon for less than $300 in loot boxes? Or do you mean a full hangar? How on earth did you get a Leo in a “loot” box? #3: F2P no. But prior to titans, it was possible to get a maxed meta hangar with moderate (~$50’ish per month) spending. You’re telling me right now with a straight face that you haven’t spent a dime on silver and you have five mk2/12 bots, weapons, and mods? I call BS. I think the “for years” thing is getting to you. Maxing a hangar years ago was easy peasy without buying any silver. Thanks to post economy, maxing a single meta bot or weapon is 370mil, and a module is 240mil In his (or her) defense, it's perfectly possible to gain that much silver without needing to spend any sort of money. You just need to play for hours upon hours as well as squad a every now and then to get more wins and therefore silver. I have no trouble believing that it's possible to build maxed meta hanger by sheer high volume play time. Plus a lot of top level guys also share their accounts so they can keep gaining silver and other resources non-stop. Never underestimate how long some players are willing to keep running on this hamster wheel before they call it a day.
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Post by Adazahi on Jul 11, 2020 21:16:34 GMT -5
Youâ??re telling me right now with a straight face that you havenâ??t spent a dime on silver and you have five mk2/12 bots, weapons, and mods? I call BS. I think the â??for yearsâ? thing is getting to you. Maxing a hangar years ago was easy peasy without buying any silver. Thanks to post economy, maxing a single meta bot or weapon is 370mil, and a module is 240mil Look, I have *a lot* more than 5 2.12 bots and more than enough maxed weapons to fit a hangar without having ever spent a cent on silver. Add to that the 4 Spectre, 3 bulgasari, 3 haechi, 2 kumiho, 1 mender, 5 griffins, 3 Lancelot, 2 Galahad, and probably more that Iâ??ve forgotten about, maxed bots Iâ??ve sold off. Iâ??ve 30k wins, mostly from plaing solo. So more than 50k games. At ~1 million a game (used to be more, now is a bit less on average). You do the math. Next time, you might want to do that before calling bull?dookie?. I’ve never met someone who plays that long, but hey, if that’s how you choose to do it go for it. Although, I do recall a famous saying... “Time is money...”
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Post by S1E1 on Jul 11, 2020 21:38:52 GMT -5
#1: Lol. I’ve played maxed hangars for years and have never bought any silver. Premium yes, plaing a lot yes, purchase no. So yeah, you’re wrong. False claims in all caps are still false. #2: I have no idea what you’re trying to say. Do you seriously believe that you will not get any meta bot or weapon for less than $300 in loot boxes? Or do you mean a full hangar? How on earth did you get a Leo in a “loot” box? #3: F2P no. But prior to titans, it was possible to get a maxed meta hangar with moderate (~$50’ish per month) spending. You’re telling me right now with a straight face that you haven’t spent a dime on silver and you have five mk2/12 bots, weapons, and mods? I call BS. I think the “for years” thing is getting to you. Maxing a hangar years ago was easy peasy without buying any silver. Thanks to post economy, maxing a single meta bot or weapon is 370mil, and a module is 240mil Well nix said he buys premium (which I'll note in this spending discussion is offered at an annual discount of $94.99 right before the New Year) and once you get to something approaching a maxed hangar initially you'll consistently earn a lot of silver. And the top clan guys play hours each day and every day, almost always in a duo or squad. I'm only in an A clan ("only" lol), but folks are logging in all the time, before work, during work/lunch breaks, etc, forming quick squads for just a couple of matches. Then there are the more regularly nightly squads that can last for hours. So yeah, folks can grind a lot of silver and if they've been doing that for years they have healthy stockpiles of resources and maxed gear to let them immediately start levelling the latest gear once they get it from event chests, while the rest of us are busy playing catch up to yesterday's meta. I didn't really get that before I joined this clan, though I was starting to learn it thru the forum here. Back in my old D-ranked clan I was the guy who logged in the most playtime, whereas many others played only weekly or sometimes just 1-2 times a month. We all just figured folks had to be buying mad amounts of silver to get their gear maxed so fast. The game is in many ways highly segregated, almost moreso by spending, daily activity levels, and years played than by clan ranking which can combine folks from those categories. And the view varies depending on which you are. That's why I really like these economic threads, even if they always rehash around the same arguments. I think Pixo makes a lot of money from newer players who think all the whales are making big silver purchases, etc. Laying out what's actually what and keep it front-and-center instead of buried in some old thread is pretty invaluable (I actually am a low spender myself, but I hate the idea of people getting/feeling ripped off).
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Post by Garbage game on Jul 11, 2020 21:47:16 GMT -5
#1: Lol. Iâve played maxed hangars for years and have never bought any silver. Premium yes, plaing a lot yes, purchase no. So yeah, youâre wrong. False claims in all caps are still false. #2: I have no idea what youâre trying to say. Do you seriously believe that you will not get any meta bot or weapon for less than $300 in loot boxes? Or do you mean a full hangar? How on earth did you get a Leo in a âlootâ box? #3: F2P no. But prior to titans, it was possible to get a maxed meta hangar with moderate (~$50âish per month) spending. Youâre telling me right now with a straight face that you havenât spent a dime on silver and you have five mk2/12 bots, weapons, and mods? I call BS. I think the âfor yearsâ thing is getting to you. Maxing a hangar years ago was easy peasy without buying any silver. Thanks to post economy, maxing a single meta bot or weapon is 370mil, and a module is 240mil Heâs been playing awhile. A lot of people with billions and trillions of silver played in the good olâ days where youâd get a million AG for a million damage. More with premium. Everything was old economy too, thus cheaper to upgrade. Now earnings has been nerfed to 「dookie」 and newer players like us canât afford anything.
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Post by Adazahi on Jul 11, 2020 21:52:46 GMT -5
Youâ??re telling me right now with a straight face that you havenâ??t spent a dime on silver and you have five mk2/12 bots, weapons, and mods? I call BS. I think the â??for yearsâ? thing is getting to you. Maxing a hangar years ago was easy peasy without buying any silver. Thanks to post economy, maxing a single meta bot or weapon is 370mil, and a module is 240mil Heâ??s been playing awhile. A lot of people with billions and trillions of silver played in the good olâ?? days where youâ??d get a million AG for a million damage. More with premium. Everything was old economy too, thus cheaper to upgrade. Now earnings has been nerfed to ?dookie? and newer players like us canâ??t afford anything. Yeah, I guess most silver stashes come from the old days. I always thought premium was very not worth it back when I started (2015 I think) and didn’t buy it until the operation came out, but it was too late by then.
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Post by NexusBlade on Jul 11, 2020 21:56:46 GMT -5
Also I think it's about time someone pointed out this outrageous false equivalency, for 100k on a car you're getting a physical object, an engineering masterpiece, something with years upon years of usability and if taken care of can stick around for decades, versus getting some digital 720p bot on a ?dookie?ty mobile game, wish more people could see the difference. Also mods, I'm sorry you believe everything that could be taken as critical is a heated rant, but this is clearly a normal cost breakdown. Soon we will be able to roll BMW loot boxes to win a subscription for heated seats. www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/bmw-subscription-model-for-features-2020-7%3famp Gotta love how the market always provides what people want, I've been campaigning for cars to require an annual subscription fee for the door's to open, but this is close enough.
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Post by foxypotato on Jul 11, 2020 22:11:06 GMT -5
His last status cracks me up
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Post by nix on Jul 12, 2020 0:06:28 GMT -5
Heâ??s been playing awhile. A lot of people with billions and trillions of silver played in the good olâ?? days where youâ??d get a million AG for a million damage. More with premium. Everything was old economy too, thus cheaper to upgrade. Now earnings has been nerfed to ?dookie? and newer players like us canâ??t afford anything. Yeah, I guess most silver stashes come from the old days. I always thought premium was very not worth it back when I started (2015 I think) and didn’t buy it until the operation came out, but it was too late by then. To clarify, I don’t have any silver stash worth mentioning, but I do get close to 1b silver per month just from playing the game. Most guys you see with insta-mk2.12 new bots are simply ahead of the curve - they prepare for a new meta by stockpiling and then upgrade it all when they get it. btw I agree with premium not being worth it pre dash bot release. Otoh, knowing what we do now, it would’ve made sense to get it back then.
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Post by foxypotato on Jul 12, 2020 0:30:05 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess most silver stashes come from the old days. I always thought premium was very not worth it back when I started (2015 I think) and didn’t buy it until the operation came out, but it was too late by then. To clarify, I don’t have any silver stash worth mentioning, but I do get close to 1b silver per month just from playing the game. Most guys you see with insta-mk2.12 new bots are simply ahead of the curve - they prepare for a new meta by stockpiling and then upgrade it all when they get it. btw I agree with premium not being worth it pre dash bot release. Otoh, knowing what we do now, it would’ve made sense to get it back then. lol wut 1 billion silvers? That's like a part time job playing the game. Just run the bots you find interesting and enjoy playing. If that level of grinding and premium is what it takes to try and make this seal clubbing game into a tiny player pool temporarily competitive game then go play checkers or something,
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Post by zombiewolf907 on Jul 12, 2020 1:38:28 GMT -5
I have been playing since almost day 1. I have never purchased Ag or Pt but yes on Au. I actually have almost 2 maxed semi-meta hangers but mostly use one. I have won a few good bots without spending on tokens in the past. Nightingale, Phantom, Haechi, and a couple others. Also spun a Ming, Arthur and a Nodens when all I wanted was a weapon plus received a Nodens in a giveaway. I earn at least 15 mil Ag daily but do play a bit. I will say I have never had more than two of any bot in a hanger and normally run 3 - 6 months behind the meta. Normally I can earn enough Ag that I can get a meta bot/weapon upgraded quickly once I get it. I also do run Premium. Just saying that there are ways to grind it out if you have the time (retired) and at the very least pay for premium. Obviously there are those who can afford and do pay for max meta hangers but there are many also that just have high level gear and can remain competitive.
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Post by RightOn on Jul 12, 2020 3:06:50 GMT -5
To clarify, I don’t have any silver stash worth mentioning, but I do get close to 1b silver per month just from playing the game. Most guys you see with insta-mk2.12 new bots are simply ahead of the curve - they prepare for a new meta by stockpiling and then upgrade it all when they get it. btw I agree with premium not being worth it pre dash bot release. Otoh, knowing what we do now, it would’ve made sense to get it back then. lol wut 1 billion silvers? That's like a part time job playing the game. Just run the bots you find interesting and enjoy playing. If that level of grinding and premium is what it takes to try and make this seal clubbing game into a tiny player pool temporarily competitive game then go play checkers or something, 1B silver a month? With 3.5M from drops (2 devices) plus maybe 2.5m daily.. x30... 180M.. I'm good for about 200M a month I calculated how much I would put into my 5 hangars already. I would upgrade these weapons: Tier 1 from 10 to 12 Tier 2 from 9 to 11 Tier 3 from 8 to 10 Tier 4 from 8 to 9 Cap all basic passive modules Take all remaining bots from 8 to 9. Total? 2.5B At 200M a month, I would be busy for a year...but then I would be really finished. I already am finished. I don't know why it even matters?
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Post by mechtout on Jul 12, 2020 3:52:10 GMT -5
Don't under estimate what ads can do for silver.
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Post by kingjames4 on Jul 12, 2020 6:59:23 GMT -5
#1: Lol. I’ve played maxed hangars for years and have never bought any silver. Premium yes, plaing a lot yes, purchase no. So yeah, you’re wrong. False claims in all caps are still false. #2: I have no idea what you’re trying to say. Do you seriously believe that you will not get any meta bot or weapon for less than $300 in loot boxes? Or do you mean a full hangar? How on earth did you get a Leo in a “loot” box? #3: F2P no. But prior to titans, it was possible to get a maxed meta hangar with moderate (~$50’ish per month) spending. You’re telling me right now with a straight face that you haven’t spent a dime on silver and you have five mk2/12 bots, weapons, and mods? I call BS. I think the “for years” thing is getting to you. Maxing a hangar years ago was easy peasy without buying any silver. Thanks to post economy, maxing a single meta bot or weapon is 370mil, and a module is 240milThis is a common misconception. While yes silver was easy to come by and stuff was cheaper to upgrade back then, people forget that there were no ads for a time to speed up the upgrades, and when they did introduce ads, you only got 20 mins off per ad. In short, the limiting factor today is silver, but the limiting factor back then was time. With 20 min ads, the very best you could do was reduce upgrade time in half. The only way to really speed through upgrades was with lots of gold, which was much hard to come by (we didn't have all these events and chest that give out gold like candy) and was needed to acquire new bots and weapons before WS.
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Post by Danny Linguini on Jul 12, 2020 7:00:16 GMT -5
I think it’s plain to see based on time spent playing there are some players for whom this game has become a lifestyle, which leaves me wondering if that’s any more or less problematic than spending thousands of dollars on it.
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Post by kingjames4 on Jul 12, 2020 7:18:11 GMT -5
I have been playing since feb 2015 so ill point some things out. #1 lots of people pay for silver, it is IMPOSSIBLE to earn enough silver to max out a hanger pixonic made sure of that with the silver nerf so post a screen shot of your average silver earings and prove me wrong. #2 i have bought loot boxes since 2015 and the best weapon i earned was a magnum and the best bot was a leo, pixonic said themselves you have to speed atleast $300 on loot boxes to get ONE meta, once again post a screen shot to prove me wrong. #3 it is not physically possible to play for free or even low spending and keep ANYWHERE near a competitive hanger, pixonic has made sure match making will SMASH YOU, and as soon as they come out with new meta they nerf the old meta making it almost useless. The problem is really that bad, if you cant see that you have either spent a few thousand bucks on buying meta or you are in a low level leauge. #1. This is just silly. I'm completely F2P and I almost have a fully maxed hanger. I currently earn about 500k per match, and can easily bump that to 1 million with the ad. If I can do that without spending any money, imagine what someone could do with spending a little on premium. #3. Again just silly. As a F2P player, I'm not only competitive, but as a high champ player I'm near the top of the food chain. And that's with skipping the latest round of Meta (no Ravana, blitz, or Nightingale for me). The old Meta (Ares, Phantom, and Ao Jun) are still working great for me, so no pix didn't nerf them to useless.
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Post by nomercy on Jul 12, 2020 8:04:20 GMT -5
I spend less than 50 euros a month and I compete at high levels. I won 4 of ravana without spending a penny, the same goes for weapons. On average, I earn 20 million silver a day without playing a lot. My clanmates earn a lot more. A friend of mine who has everything maxed out, including Ao ming, uses two ravanas with storms.
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Post by nix on Jul 12, 2020 8:28:49 GMT -5
To clarify, I don’t have any silver stash worth mentioning, but I do get close to 1b silver per month just from playing the game. Most guys you see with insta-mk2.12 new bots are simply ahead of the curve - they prepare for a new meta by stockpiling and then upgrade it all when they get it. btw I agree with premium not being worth it pre dash bot release. Otoh, knowing what we do now, it would’ve made sense to get it back then. lol wut 1 billion silvers? That's like a part time job playing the game. Just run the bots you find interesting and enjoy playing. If that level of grinding and premium is what it takes to try and make this seal clubbing game into a tiny player pool temporarily competitive game then go play checkers or something, You do your thing and I’ll do my thing. I don’t tell you to stop spending more time posting on the forum than playing the game, do I?
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Post by SuperHero on Jul 12, 2020 9:51:34 GMT -5
* $100 of Loot boxes will give you much more than one bot or weapon on average Our dearly departed Pix shill @summoning spent $440 this event to get Scorp and Pilot. According to his posts on Reddit Don’t forget though that our own clan’s mudge Got a scorp on his free spin. Lol
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Post by SuperHero on Jul 12, 2020 10:06:14 GMT -5
Lol.... reading thru this thread, I now know why it was put in rants. Without any input from the mods the discussion already got heated. I will say this, I know nix and he plays a LOT! I think some folks making the calculations don’t truly see how some of the hardcore players of this game both spend and grind. And as such cannot understand nor even believe how much time some of these folks have put into the game. As such, I strongly suggest working on the numbers and also giving the benefit of the doubt to the ones who are legitimately and honestly trying to tell you their facts instead of hypothetical calculations and scenarios which have multiple variables in them. On that note, it IS true that most paying folks would NEVER buy silver for cash. The exchange rate is terrible and if they are investing that much into this game, u can be very sure that they are playing so much that silver is not an issue for them. The whales and long timers might not fully understand the plight of the newer players who are now hitting the Champ wall, but at the same time the newer guys don’t have a full picture of what some of the grinders have done to get to where they are either. I’ve known Nix for ages and vouch for him and his data. He was breaking 2 million and averaging a million with just GRIFFINS at one point. So he knows what he’s talking about. Frankly I’m not sure if there was really any positive constructive point to this thread. You calculated all that to help people know how much to spend? Or was this just a passive-aggressive method of trolling the whales and spenders?
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Post by Mig-Am on Jul 12, 2020 10:42:32 GMT -5
Hobbies are time consuming and sometimes expensive. In fact you can make any hobbies has expensive has you want.
I spend a whole lot of $ in mountain bikes and XC skis, I still finish mid pack when I race. My 3 kids have what you could call premium equipment. I own a whole lot of expensive "obsolete" bikes and now race-illegal high fluo glide waxes. But this is my family 's lifestyle and we are having a blast.
So some people make videogames their lifestyle, so be it, most of them spend way more time than money into it I am sure.
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Post by mechtout on Jul 12, 2020 14:45:03 GMT -5
I think I probably spent over $10K on fishing gear to catch fish that I throw back unless I feel like cooking, sometimes I go out with all this gear for 6+ hours in a day, and don't even catch a fish but its what i love to do on my time off, and the good days are totally worth it.
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Post by S1E1 on Jul 12, 2020 17:37:35 GMT -5
Lol.... reading thru this thread, I now know why it was put in rants. Without any input from the mods the discussion already got heated. ??? I will say this, I know nix and he plays a LOT! I think some folks making the calculations don’t truly see how some of the hardcore players of this game both spend and grind. And as such cannot understand nor even believe how much time some of these folks have put into the game. As such, I strongly suggest working on the numbers and also giving the benefit of the doubt to the ones who are legitimately and honestly trying to tell you their facts instead of hypothetical calculations and scenarios which have multiple variables in them. On that note, it IS true that most paying folks would NEVER buy silver for cash. The exchange rate is terrible and if they are investing that much into this game, u can be very sure that they are playing so much that silver is not an issue for them. The whales and long timers might not fully understand the plight of the newer players who are now hitting the Champ wall, but at the same time the newer guys don’t have a full picture of what some of the grinders have done to get to where they are either. I’ve known Nix for ages and vouch for him and his data. He was breaking 2 million and averaging a million with just GRIFFINS at one point. So he knows what he’s talking about. Frankly I’m not sure if there was really any positive constructive point to this thread. You calculated all that to help people know how much to spend? Or was this just a passive-aggressive method of trolling the whales and spenders? Overall I liked this post except for the last paragraph. You might not be entirely wrong, but frankly all the "positivity" threads seem like just a passive-aggressive way to troll people who don't like Pixo. We've gotten a lot of good data and discussion out of this, and people do genuinely wonder what a maxed hangar bought completely out of the box costs. The contentious topics cause some arguments but that gets people to actually get into the weeds and lay out how things work. They're never going to start the perfect way but they end up being very informative.
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Post by T34 on Jul 12, 2020 20:11:55 GMT -5
I'd look at this way:
1. Instant max hanger cost = price of gear/upgrades. Wouldn't bother to include into the calculations anything else bc this is a theoretical upper limit.
but more often than not the cost of a maxed hanger would be
2. Cost of maxed hanger = (Instant max hanger cost)- (benefits derived from discounts) - (overall benefits derived from purchases like VIP/OPS pass) - (benefits gained by exercising patience) - (time in game) This cost is highly variable but i am sure there would be an average cost that Pix is working from and they would know what the related figures are.
If my intent was to have a maxed hanger after starting the game/total hanger overhaul, i would actually message Pix and say i have $5K to spend and will spend it if you give me a maxed hanger. I am not saying $5K would do it but i reckon there would be a price which they would accept which would be lower than the full price.
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Jul 12, 2020 21:15:48 GMT -5
I actually did how much it would cost for an ao ming if you just bought enough Pt for it, like some obviously did since within the first 3 days I saw 4 people with maxed mings. Here is my math:
4,984 (buy and upgrade 4 titan modules to max/lv 25) RM: $719 (16 extra) 7,112 (buy and upgrade 2 of each: gendarme and cuirassier to max/lv 25) RM: $1,028.5 (38 extra) 10,636 (buy and upgrade 1 ao ming to max/lv 50) RM: $1,528.5 (14 extra) Total PT : 22,732 with 68 extra Total RM : $3,276
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Post by Adazahi on Jul 12, 2020 23:06:39 GMT -5
You’re telling me right now with a straight face that you haven’t spent a dime on silver and you have five mk2/12 bots, weapons, and mods? I call BS. I think the “for years” thing is getting to you. Maxing a hangar years ago was easy peasy without buying any silver. Thanks to post economy, maxing a single meta bot or weapon is 370mil, and a module is 240milThis is a common misconception. While yes silver was easy to come by and stuff was cheaper to upgrade back then, people forget that there were no ads for a time to speed up the upgrades, and when they did introduce ads, you only got 20 mins off per ad. In short, the limiting factor today is silver, but the limiting factor back then was time. With 20 min ads, the very best you could do was reduce upgrade time in half. The only way to really speed through upgrades was with lots of gold, which was much hard to come by (we didn't have all these events and chest that give out gold like candy) and was needed to acquire new bots and weapons before WS. Im pretty sure upgrades were also faster back in the day though, like, by quite a bit, depending on the bot, so it kinda evens out.
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Post by Adazahi on Jul 12, 2020 23:34:31 GMT -5
Lol.... reading thru this thread, I now know why it was put in rants. Without any input from the mods the discussion already got heated. ??? I will say this, I know nix and he plays a LOT! I think some folks making the calculations don’t truly see how some of the hardcore players of this game both spend and grind. And as such cannot understand nor even believe how much time some of these folks have put into the game. As such, I strongly suggest working on the numbers and also giving the benefit of the doubt to the ones who are legitimately and honestly trying to tell you their facts instead of hypothetical calculations and scenarios which have multiple variables in them. On that note, it IS true that most paying folks would NEVER buy silver for cash. The exchange rate is terrible and if they are investing that much into this game, u can be very sure that they are playing so much that silver is not an issue for them. The whales and long timers might not fully understand the plight of the newer players who are now hitting the Champ wall, but at the same time the newer guys don’t have a full picture of what some of the grinders have done to get to where they are either. I’ve known Nix for ages and vouch for him and his data. He was breaking 2 million and averaging a million with just GRIFFINS at one point. So he knows what he’s talking about. Frankly I’m not sure if there was really any positive constructive point to this thread. You calculated all that to help people know how much to spend? Or was this just a passive-aggressive method of trolling the whales and spenders? The point of this thread is to just give players an idea of how much it costs to get a maxxed hangar. Emphasis on idea. Sure, maybe not every big spender pays for silver- but that doesn't change the fact that this game is pretty damn expensive. The original point of the thread was actually to show how much more expensive a max hangar got since OG War Robots, but I accidently refreshed the page and said "Ah, screw it, I'll just calculate the current price" I'm not really poking the whales with this post. I think spending that much on pixel bots is a bad idea, but I won't stop them or discriminate them for doing so, it's their life, and honestly, if they're rich enough $15k for a hangar isnt even pocket change, so props to them for getting to a point in life where they can spend that much on whatever they like (not sarcasm, really.) Heres probably the fluff-less answer you're looking for. I think there are two types of whales: The ones who know what they're spending, and the ones who don't. Often, the game really disconnects you from the prices. Seriously. You see "$25 for some cool thing and buy it, like hey, whatever, its just $25. You buy that same thing once a week and you've spent $1,200 on this game in a year. The whales who know what they're spending don't care, as they are the kind who can afford to buy whatever they want in the game and not be impacted (i.e wealthy players) and the ones who don't may just be some poor guy who is helplessly addicted to gambling and seriously can't afford that kind of money for a mobile game, or a student that just got their first job and is in over their head. I think this kind of post opens the eyes of those people as to how much they've spent. If they see a forum post calculating that a maxxed hangar costs $15k, and they happen to have a maxxed hangar, maybe they'll think "Woah, wait? I spent that much?" And look at their transaction history, becoming one of the whales who knows what they're spending and keeping a closer watch on their budget. Sure, maybe $15k is off. People don't buy silver, people dont do this, offer this deal this whatever. even if the actual price is only $5k (I am sure it's higher than that) it still is a pretty huge number. With $5k, you can get: - A used car - Food for a year - Married - $5k less in student loans - Rent for over a year - A gallon of gas, two if you're lucky Maybe I'm wrong and every whale knows what they're spending. Maybe I'm wrong and you can get a full Mk2 150 titan hangar for fifty cents. But this post is not created with bad intent, as you assumed. I'm not trolling whales, I'm helping (some) of them. I was in their place once.
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Post by kingjames4 on Jul 13, 2020 6:42:36 GMT -5
This is a common misconception. While yes silver was easy to come by and stuff was cheaper to upgrade back then, people forget that there were no ads for a time to speed up the upgrades, and when they did introduce ads, you only got 20 mins off per ad. In short, the limiting factor today is silver, but the limiting factor back then was time. With 20 min ads, the very best you could do was reduce upgrade time in half. The only way to really speed through upgrades was with lots of gold, which was much hard to come by (we didn't have all these events and chest that give out gold like candy) and was needed to acquire new bots and weapons before WS. Im pretty sure upgrades were also faster back in the day though, like, by quite a bit, depending on the bot, so it kinda evens out. Yes and no. From what I remember from back then, the standard upgrading time to take most things from L1-L12 was about 14 days, compared to 30 or so days today. So around half the time. But today we get 12× the benefit per ad (20 mins compared to 4 hours). So if you spend 20 ads a day speeding up upgrades, it'll take you around a week to go from L1-L12 today, but it'll take you around 11 days to do the same thing back then. That's an over 50% increase in time. And the difference would only get greater the more you play.
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