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Post by Cyclone Nodens on Jun 17, 2020 9:44:20 GMT -5
The Hawk and Scorpion will change the meta a lot in my opinion and will shift it to a tankier meta due to the backstab and Leech-like ability. Another thing is the teleportation and fast speed of the flight will make it so a fast tank like Fenrir or Falcon will shine. So it will shift to a Phantom, or Blitz, as compared to a Strider and a few others. An exception to this is Ares, as he can block the Hawk and can outpower the Scorpion if it brings out its tentacles quickly, and Advanced Repair Unit and PS will shine just like always. The meta is kind of falling away from Quantum Radar because only Ao Jun and Loki's are needed to hit, as Nightingale can just suppress you and heal itself. The Leech will lose a lot of its appeal to Scorpion, as Scorp will teleport away instantly and hit you while on cooldown. The Deft Survivor on Blitz will be a must, and the suppression will help out against both bots. Nightingale will be used more commonly as a counter to both of the bots with suppression and stealth. Ravana will still be used often. Loki will also be a great counter to both of them because the stealth will counter the TP and flight, and then kill them after (the only problem is that the Hawk as a Natasha loadout. Vipers and Ao Juns will be a great counter to DR bots, but the Ao Jun in general is going to be used more for flight.
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Post by Koalabear on Jun 17, 2020 10:11:05 GMT -5
I think both the Scorpion and Hawk will change how people play and I think it will force randoms to watch each other's back more closely. Every time a new OP bot is released, tactics shift to more team play as often these new bots out class anything prior 1v1. We saw that with the Ares and Ao Jun and Leech. But, the difference with the Scorpion is that people will learn to watch for red indicators much more often - especially for any that appear suddenly behind them, as this will mean a Scorpion has teleported in.
I also think that root guns will make a come back, especially the shotguns cause when the Scorpion teleports in, it will conveniently place itself right at optimum shotgun range. Yes, it's got DR, but the point won't be to kill it, but to root it and force it to teleport back. At PB range, the shotguns should root faster than Pulsar and Shredder.
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Post by RightOn on Jun 17, 2020 10:49:34 GMT -5
Didn't scorp distance get adjusted?
I don't really feel like Scorp will change the ballgame. What I do know is that scorp may be a PITA but I don't think it will be particularly dangerous in the face of say, Fenrir or Invader.
I would think that more team play is in order, as stragglers will get singled out.
Bots like Nightingale will help immensely because if scorp teleports in and gets suppressed, what was the point again?
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Post by shivaswrath on Jun 17, 2020 11:20:17 GMT -5
it'll change things, but I'm unsure how.
There will be more tanks for sure, but also more use of Cryo and Storms to swat off the attack from a scorpion. It depends if Scorp gets DR during it's teleportation too...
I think Ao Ming days are numbered...as is, with a Quad Cyclone Nodens I take out 2-3 per game; with the addition of the Hawk (to my hangar), I'll be ripping them apart.
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 17, 2020 11:21:45 GMT -5
Previously, my assessment of counter-Scorpion tactics was limited to stuff like:
- DR mechs
- Durability enhancements
- Advance Repair Unit
- Phase Shift
- Disguise Unit
- Stealth
- Dash
But, another surprisingly helpful module was the Jump mod. Scorpion appears, jump away. It was surprising because the mechs you’d least expect it from we’re flying away. Unfortunately, the Hawk and Scorpion together are what I see as likely being two-pronged assault companions. For example, the target may jump away, but the energy blast of an aerial Hawk has auto-tracking. A strong Haechi or Strider will have no issue evading the Scorpion, but they can still be acquired and followed by Hawk, though the Strider has extra advantage and can even extend that advantage with 3 additional dash charges by equipping Dash Unit and the pilot skill Clever Survivor; can’t evade the auto-tracking while exposed, but it can break that tracking and los by ducking into cover.
Pantheons within range are easy targets of Scorpion.
As for counter-Hawk, by which I mainly mean countering their aerial threat, mechs with Aegis and physical shields will be helpful. Stealth will be handy, as well as other obvious ones like PS and Advanced Repair Unit. I think we’ll see even more use of scourge class weapons, especially on Pantheon and mechs like Tyr and Lancelot.
These two mechs can be dealt with. Let’s just hope Pixonic keeps the Scorpion ability at 350m or less, or that will throw other complications into this assessment.
Gotta go, those are my quick thoughts.
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Post by Cyclone Nodens on Jun 17, 2020 17:16:05 GMT -5
Previously, my assessment of counter-Scorpion tactics was limited to stuff like: - DR mechs - Durability enhancements - Advance Repair Unit - Phase Shift - Disguise Unit - Stealth - Dash But, another surprisingly helpful module was the Jump mod. Scorpion appears, jump away. It was surprising because the mechs you’d least expect it from we’re flying away. Unfortunately, the Hawk and Scorpion together are what I see as likely being two-pronged assault companions. For example, the target may jump away, but the energy blast of an aerial Hawk has auto-tracking. A strong Haechi or Strider will have no issue evading the Scorpion, but they can still be acquired and followed by Hawk, though the Strider has extra advantage and can even extend that advantage with 3 additional dash charges by equipping Dash Unit and the pilot skill Clever Survivor; can’t evade the auto-tracking while exposed, but it can break that tracking and los by ducking into cover. Pantheons within range are easy targets of Scorpion. As for counter-Hawk, by which I mainly mean countering their aerial threat, mechs with Aegis and physical shields will be helpful. Stealth will be handy, as well as other obvious ones like Phase Shift and Advanced Repair Unit. I think we’ll see even more use of scourge class weapons, especially on Pantheon and mechs like Tyr and Lancelot. These two mechs can be dealt with. Let’s just hope Pixonic keeps the Scorpion ability at 350m or less, or that will throw other complications into this assessment. Gotta go, those are my quick thoughts. Pretty spot on. Want me to subscribe your YT channel if you have any? |
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Post by ѻﻭɼﻉ on Jun 17, 2020 17:40:55 GMT -5
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Post by T34 on Jun 17, 2020 19:06:04 GMT -5
I dont think Pix will allow old bots to come back into play in a significant way. Pix will probably pull a shifty here with the scorpion. First release the scorpion. People will adopt by upgrading and deploying high HP bots. Then Pix releases the Hawk which will mean game over for older high HP bots. If the hawk can kill titans it will easily kill high HP bots. Ravanas should be OK but not spectacular and i will not invest into high HP bots with the exception of the one I already have. To allow old high HP bots to come back into play over a longer term would mean drop in revenue.
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Post by Cyclone Nodens on Jun 27, 2020 8:14:35 GMT -5
What do you guys think Quantum Sensor will do with its shenanigans?
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Jun 27, 2020 10:51:28 GMT -5
What do you guys think Quantum Sensor will do with its shenanigans? Severely cripple the usefulness of AJs against them. AJs will now need to learn how to fight against Titans like all the other normal bots do. Lokis' ability to wreck havoc late game with their emergency beacon capping will also be nerfed. Overall it'll be a strong buff to the dominance of Titans. |
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Post by Cyclone Nodens on Jun 28, 2020 19:00:10 GMT -5
What do you guys think Quantum Sensor will do with its shenanigans? Severely cripple the usefulness of AJs against them. AJs will now need to learn how to fight against Titans like all the other normal bots do. Lokis' ability to wreck havoc late game with their emergency beacon capping will also be nerfed. Overall it'll be a strong buff to the dominance of Titans. Stupid Titans and their stupidity |
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Post by RightOn on Jun 29, 2020 8:12:09 GMT -5
What do you guys think Quantum Sensor will do with its shenanigans? Severely cripple the usefulness of AJs against them. AJs will now need to learn how to fight against Titans like all the other normal bots do. Lokis' ability to wreck havoc late game with their emergency beacon capping will also be nerfed. Overall it'll be a strong buff to the dominance of Titans. Loki already peaked in popularity. Just the thought alone of the Titan sensor has diminished their population by like... 90%... Yet it's not live Loki is one bot I avoided making and never really cared to run in skirmish. I have used it, but I don't like the 5/5 second divides. Regardless, I think the ability is cheese. No, the ability IS cheese. That's Loki's problem though, not mine. I can't blame people for running them to beat Ming - to each their own. |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Jul 10, 2020 13:36:09 GMT -5
Strider and other speed burst bots will be especially good since if you have a scorp teleporting behind you then you can just dash/jump/move away really quickly. That and they should be able to get to where the scorp launched from easier.
Tanky bots will also be especially good because they can survive a scorp strike and are great counters to ravana. Burst weapons should do really well since the scorps can just escape after dumping a load, with them you should do decent damage in that time and make them leave sooner.
PS might actually become less useful since a scorp can wait it out and still have time to dump its load. Advanced heal and even normal heal will probably be able to better deal with a scorp strike so long as you use it right.
Finally, people will most likely start to gravitate towards each other as killing a scorp in groups is far easier than dealing with it alone. This will probably be good for TDM and possibly dom but if the groups get too big in BR then it will cause more problems than it solves. Pairs would be best.
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Jul 10, 2020 13:42:44 GMT -5
What do you guys think Quantum Sensor will do with its shenanigans? Severely cripple the usefulness of AJs against them. AJs will now need to learn how to fight against Titans like all the other normal bots do. Lokis' ability to wreck havoc late game with their emergency beacon capping will also be nerfed. Overall it'll be a strong buff to the dominance of Titans. Not even remotely. QS will simply force them to stay out of the range of their own breath (using vipers, avengers and maybe nucleons) unless the titan is distracted. And even then stay near the edge so you can escape if they turn on you. QS is actually a great addition as you can still hurt the titans from a distance (my avenger shredder mercury will be awesome at this) but you can't use ice rockets or other short range stuff without special circumstances. |
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Post by nomercy on Jul 10, 2020 16:36:57 GMT -5
Scorpion is not meta. It seems strong because youtubers play against noob
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Post by TheDecepticonIdeal on Jul 10, 2020 18:51:56 GMT -5
Severely cripple the usefulness of AJs against them. AJs will now need to learn how to fight against Titans like all the other normal bots do. Lokis' ability to wreck havoc late game with their emergency beacon capping will also be nerfed. Overall it'll be a strong buff to the dominance of Titans. Not even remotely. QS will simply force them to stay out of the range of their own breath (using vipers, avengers and maybe nucleons) unless the titan is distracted. And even then stay near the edge so you can escape if they turn on you. QS is actually a great addition as you can still hurt the titans from a distance (my avenger shredder mercury will be awesome at this) but you can't use ice rockets or other short range stuff without special circumstances. If AJs are forced to not use their flamethrower on Titans, that's a nerf for them. They're losing out on almost 30% of extra firepower they can bring to kill a Titan. |
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Post by l》THE MACHINE《l on Jul 10, 2020 18:57:29 GMT -5
Scorpion is not meta. It seems strong because youtubers play against noob No it isn't but it will still change the game a lot. Bots teleporting behind you isn't going to be easy to get over, everyone will be wary and playing different now that cover and distance isn't enough. |
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